record ng boses, help

[compvr]

eto gamit ko mga bro/sir/mam:

sm58 --> g2.1u --> usb --> pc

ang hina ng tunog minsan walang sound,ok naman yung mic at cords, any suggestions?


pag gitara record malinaw naman at walang problem.

[marvinq]

you need a mic preamp. your sound card is line or instrument level. please ask the other forumites to explain. sorry i have to go...

[xjepoyx]

yeah! mic preamp will do the trick! for simple home recording you can use a behringer mic200

[compvr]

kala ko pwede yung preamp nung g2.1u 


magkano kaya yung behringer mic200? meron pa bang ibang choices na ka presyo ng mic200?
tube preamp pala yun, ok ah.


salamat

[starfugger]

around 4-6k siguro, cheAPER KUNG SECOND HAND.  YOU CAN ALSO LOOK OUT FOR art TUBE mp, it's the same as the behri when it comes to form factor.  i don't know which sounds better though.

[killswitch]

try looking for 2nd hand preamps @ the classifieds section, may mga good deals dun makakatawad ka pa.

[compvr]

nabasa ko kasi maingay daw yung behringer mic200? totoo ba yun guys? pag hindi totoo, ok na ako dun or pag meron makita sa "for sale" na nasa ganung price range din.

curious lang, anong gamit niyong mic preamp sa studio or personal use? pa indicate na din ng price mga sir/mam/bro 

[xjepoyx]

paanong maingay? baka sira yung tube nung nakausap mo kaya maingay sya

[starfugger]

i own the ART tube MP which is very similar to the Behri mic200.  it is true that the ART tube MP has a certain inherent level of noise, a sort of hissing, and worse ... some buzz if you max out the input and output gains (which i was told can be fixed by loosening one of the screws).  proper gain staging can minimize this noise.  make sure that your signal is loud enough (not too loud that it starts clipping your mic or preamp) so that you don't have to boost the gain input and output, and therefore raise the noise level in the process. 

in my experience, the only preamps that didn't have this type of noise (no matter how much one boosts the gain inputs) are the more expensive types.  aside from the ART Tube MP, i also have a  solid state Joe Meek VC1 studio channel (which isn't competely noise free but a lot quieter than the ART), four channels of RME mic pre's (same tas the RME Quad Mic) which are also pretty quiet, and the noiseless fantabulous oh so wonderful pair of Aphex 1100A tube pre's, which are as quiet as a dead duck). you can raise the gain on these pre's and only hear the ambient/room noise going up, without the hiss.

as far as the price is concerned, here are estimates of how much it can cost you:

entry level pre's like the ART and Behri: Php 4k-6k per channel
mid-leve pre's like the Joe Meek VC1: 500-1000 USD per channel
high end mic pre's like the Aphex1100A, SSL XLogic, : 1000++-  to 5000 USD

this page will give you an idea of the price ranges of mic preamps:

http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/studio/preamps/

personally, if i had the money, i would go for multi-channel pre's like the Focusrite ISA428 (4 channels for 1700 USD).  mas tipid at mas mura per channel lumalabas kesa sa tag-iisa.



but going back to the topic of vocal recording, you also have the mic to think about.   large diaphragm condensers are very popular for capturing vocals because they have a very open sound.  if youre just starting out, then a behri mic pre and a scalarized b-1 are perhaps the best way to go.  hehe.  sabi nila ok daw yung scalarized na behri b1 ...havent heard it though but a couple of friends vouched for it

[compvr]

@edgeofillusion-jepoy   -  dito lang ako nagtitingin ng reviews ng mga gamit ,wala talaga ako kilala na meron eh, kaya laking bagay ng mga reply niyo kasi firsthand info yung iba.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/product/reviews?base_pid=182491&g=live&rpp=10&src=3SOSWXXA

@starfugger  -  mam? san nakakabili ng art tube mp? maraming salamat 

pm me guys if plan niyo i-dispose yung entry level preamp niyo in the near future. thanks

no further questions your honor 

[starfugger]

yung ART dating hawak ng audiophile but i think The music Suurce carry the ART brand now.  you'll find pleasure in dealing with people from the music source

[xjepoyx]

may kakilala ako nagbebenta ng ART Studio V3 Tube MP



3K yata less than a year daw nagamit

[starfugger]

may kakilala ako nagbebenta ng ART V3



3K yata less than a year daw nagamit

panalo!  may built in compressor pa!  ayos to

[xjepoyx]

dalawang ganyan hazel gamit namin sa studio hehe

yung isa nun ay kay KitC

[moHaWk]

un nga lang po problema ung dalawa naming art na yun my hiss talaga, di ko lang alam kung san ang problema, kung sa cable, mic, or sa pre-amp, kea medyo hirap ako magrecord pag mahina ung boses ng kakanta kc my hiss talaga..

[marvinq]

i think the ART Studio V3 Tube MP is known to be rather noisy. i don't have one, i do have a pair of MIC200's though, and i'm quite happy with them.

[compvr]

update ko lang mga sir/mam,

nakapag record nako ng "maayos" na boses at drums, ginawa kong pre amp yung guitar amp pansamantala

mic1 and mic 2->guitar amp->g2.1u->usb->pc-->cubase
(anong disadvantage nito?)


additional question lang or kelangan pa gumawa bagong thread?

pano ko ba ma maximize pag record ng bass drum na walang port? (yung walang butas sa harap)
sm58 yung mic,  yun lang kasi available sa ngayon, iba kasi tunog nung bass drum na recorded compared sa actual, solid yung actual tapos yung recorded parang extended yung duration ng sound? sa harap nga pala nakatutok yung mic mga 3" from the resonant head.

ano din masasabi niyo sa m-audio audio buddy pre amp? compared sa mic200?

maraming salamat

[marvinq]

aim your mic on the beater side of the kick drum.

[moHaWk]

oi try ko nga  rin un sir marvin.... ayos!!!

[compvr]

aim your mic on the beater side of the kick drum.

thanks bro, solid na yung record ng kick