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Offline Bolt Thrower

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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2013, 07:53:28 PM »
If we can only build a Guitar Center here. Is that really so haaaaard?


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« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2013, 07:56:13 PM »
It's not the music shops. It's our government: 1) ang mahal ng import tax. Gumagastos daw ang yupangco ng millions pag may dumating silang shipment. Ang sound essentials,  40% ang binabayaran nila sa customs. So para kumita sila kelangan mataas ang patong. Kaya lets understand why Mahal sila Magbenta. It is reasonable. 2) nationwide shipping. Sa china,  mas mura pag mag ship from makati to qc kaysa mag meetup. Sa lbc 2k ang shipping ng gitara kahit makati to makati. So pano mabubuhay ang online retail dito?  Small items siguro pwede pa kaya good job ang lavaza. And it's a vicious cycle. Since madami pa din tao walang tiwala sa online,  konti ang volume ng shipments kaya mahal. Yung mga camera saka celfone puro meetups pa din para maka sigurado ang buyer -  mrt,  malls,  etc. Pag nag mature na ang infrastructure natin, online retail can thrive. It's not the registration and tax,  hindi sya mahal. And maliit lang ang tax pag less than 1.5 million pesos ang annual gross sales. Its the importation that makes prices so high here. Ganun din sa China and anywhere else -  mahal din ang fenders and other US made brands dahil madaming import charges and taxes. Kaya dumadami ang 'made for china domestic market'  na products. May BMW 3 and 5 series na made in China only available in China na malaking mura vs made in germany. Since malaki ang market,  kaya nila ma sustain. E dito sa Pinas limited ang market for high end stuff kaya better pa din sa online shippers dahil makaka mura ang consumers. If mapansin nyo,  mura ang low end stuff sa mga music store. Yung high end ang mahal. Pano, Mahal ang importation fee. Sana maging friendly ang government natin sa worldwide trade para mas madami maging available sa pilipinas at lower prices. Sa hong kong for example, sobrang simple ng taxation and importation kaya mas nae encourage ang mga businessmen. Example,  they can subsidize 50% of cost if a hong kong company goes to NAMM to promote a product. Now that's a business-friendly environment.
My 2 cents.

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« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2013, 07:59:04 PM »
Ako, all my guitars came from yupangco, handog sale. siguro accesories laging dito sa philmusic kasi mas mura. pero sa guitars, gusto ko magcompare, itry lahat. merong mabalikan in case defective. etc.

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« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2013, 08:17:18 PM »
matagal na rin nabanggit ni Ed Roman tungkol sa eBay at ang epekto nito sa guitar industry. sa mga hindi pa nakakaalam, try nyo basahin:

http://www.edroman.com/rants/japanese.htm
http://www.edroman.com/general/ebay.htm

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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2013, 06:40:11 AM »
last time i checked, the capitalist world wasn't fair... complain all you want but things have been changing way back then.
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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2013, 06:54:26 AM »
last time i checked, the capitalist world wasn't fair... complain all you want but things have been changing way back then.

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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2013, 07:08:37 AM »
went to our municipality's BIR office last Jan. 25 (friday) to inquire about DTI registration since i plan to have one project go full scale na. too bad sa Lipa ko pa daw kelangan magrehistro sa DTI (which is napakalayo from Nasugbu). considering doing the online DTI registration instead. yay or nay?

bro nagawa ko na yan, kahit na mag register ka online, you will still need to register in person, i rereserve mo lang online is yung business name, bale check lang kung available yung business name mo. Pag dating mo dun, papa fill up ka padin ng application form, kasi hindi daw nila ma pull up yung online registration mo kasi wala silang internet access. Also, papakialaman din ng DTI yung Bussiness name mo. After nun, kuha ka pa barangay clearance (for sole prop) tapos munisipyo na, then BIR. kahit online seller ka, mag babayad ka pa ng accidental insurance, at kung ano anong fees. handa mo around 5-7k para lang sa registration. Pag nagpa register ka kasi, no such thing as ONLINE SELLER,. Pag nag register ka, i aassume ng DTI (sole prop  /SEC (corporation) na TINDAHAN, PWESTO or OPISINA (professional services like real estae, law office etc) ang itataguyod mo. Good luck :)

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« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2013, 09:20:30 AM »
100 /hr.  :-D

 :-o  :-D  :-D

i think it's the other way around. the internet has provided a way to minimize monopoly of gear. it also helped bring down prices a bit, and has given better access to a variety of gear. if physical shops cannot compete with online shops, panahon na siguro para umisip ng bagong tactic. use the internet as well, and in the case of some physical stores, RELEASE THE SHILLS.

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« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2013, 09:42:12 AM »
bro nagawa ko na yan, kahit na mag register ka online, you will still need to register in person, i rereserve mo lang online is yung business name, bale check lang kung available yung business name mo. Pag dating mo dun, papa fill up ka padin ng application form, kasi hindi daw nila ma pull up yung online registration mo kasi wala silang internet access. Also, papakialaman din ng DTI yung Bussiness name mo. After nun, kuha ka pa barangay clearance (for sole prop) tapos munisipyo na, then BIR. kahit online seller ka, mag babayad ka pa ng accidental insurance, at kung ano anong fees. handa mo around 5-7k para lang sa registration. Pag nagpa register ka kasi, no such thing as ONLINE SELLER,. Pag nag register ka, i aassume ng DTI (sole prop  /SEC (corporation) na TINDAHAN, PWESTO or OPISINA (professional services like real [ice cream], law office etc) ang itataguyod mo. Good luck :)

noted man! last year ko pa kasi iniisip, just needed some prodding (got plenty o'prodding from reading BIR news and first-hand experience dito sa opis, :D).

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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2013, 09:51:28 AM »
Nice read,,, yung Promo rin ng mga local music store most of the time sablay...

Nakalagay sale on Zoom products 50% off... yun pala selected items lang... 8-)

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« Reply #60 on: January 29, 2013, 11:50:18 AM »
:-o  :-D  :-D

i think it's the other way around. the internet has provided a way to minimize monopoly of gear. it also helped bring down prices a bit, and has given better access to a variety of gear. if physical shops cannot compete with online shops, panahon na siguro para umisip ng bagong tactic. use the internet as well, and in the case of some physical stores, RELEASE THE SHILLS.

he told me he is overpayed :-D

you can try , ok naman sya sa pro bono minsan e
« Last Edit: January 29, 2013, 11:52:52 AM by Rmansh »
looking for badass guitars and amps.....

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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #61 on: January 29, 2013, 03:33:36 PM »
the gray market din...killing the local guitar shops softly.

Nice read,,, yung Promo rin ng mga local music store most of the time sablay...

Nakalagay sale on Zoom products 50% off... yun pala selected items lang... 8-)


if course naman boss...may negosyo bang gustong malugi?

eg.

bumili ka ng noong 2003 ng Greco Japan LP eg500 ng 12K...after 2 years nagsawa ka...binenta mo ng 12K.

bumili ka nitong 2011 ng Greco Japan eg500 ulit..dahil nagtaas ang presyo ng mga 2nd hand guitars ng mga taong ito..iniskor mo ng 18k...after two years...nagsawa ka uli...ibebenta mo ba ng 12K?
Tele bought 20K. Upgraded pots.  FS: 30K  Trade Value BS: 85K.  Deal tayo?

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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #62 on: January 29, 2013, 04:09:21 PM »
kailangan makabili na ako ng US made sa local shops bago pa sila malugi sa mga online sellers!

gusto ko din natetest at nakakapili sa madaming models eh. para mas macompare.

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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2013, 01:59:04 AM »
the gray market din...killing the local guitar shops softly.

if course naman boss...may negosyo bang gustong malugi?

eg.

bumili ka ng noong 2003 ng Greco Japan LP eg500 ng 12K...after 2 years nagsawa ka...binenta mo ng 12K.

bumili ka nitong 2011 ng Greco Japan eg500 ulit..dahil nagtaas ang presyo ng mga 2nd hand guitars ng mga taong ito..iniskor mo ng 18k...after two years...nagsawa ka uli...ibebenta mo ba ng 12K?

naguluhan ako sir sa example nyo, pero na gets ko. hehe  :wave:

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« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2013, 10:23:52 AM »
naguluhan ako sir sa example nyo, pero na gets ko. hehe  :wave:

naguluhan din ako, tsaka di ko na-gets.

sa tingin ko ang gusto sabihin ni yekoz eh yung paglagay ng "50% off on Zoom products" syempre ang iisipin ng makakakita, lahat ng zoom products naka 50% off, yun pala selected lang. e di ilagay na lang "50% off on selected Zoom products", otherwise nangloloko ka lang diba?

as for the "grey market is killing the local guitar shops", the local guitar shops don't have anyone else to blame but themselves. if you're blaming the government for higher operational cost, then streamline you're business model in a way that trims the fat so to speak (like going online perhaps  :-D ) the importers (i'm one of them) are just filling the void that the local shops are unwilling to fill. do you think musicians would be willing to trade a few hundred pesos for peace of mind? i'd rather buy here even if it's more expensive than have something shipped if i know that the warranty and after sales service is good. unfortunately, wala ata sa vocabulary ng music stores yung after sales coz majority are crap (with the exception of the music source).

 

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« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2013, 10:56:34 AM »
naguluhan ako sir sa example nyo, pero na gets ko. hehe  :wave:

haha! sorry boss. pero ayos, na gets mo kahit papaano.

pag sinabing 50% ang zoom...malabo talagang lahat ng zoom products at 50% off...

parang piso fare ng cebu pacific...lahat ba ng upuan na available sa eruplano na piso fare?  bilang lang kung ilang upuan ang ibebentang sa halagang piso.

regarding sa example ko..hindi mo siyempre ibebenta ang bago labas na modelo na nabili sa masmataas na exchange rate na kaperahas sa older version na nabili sa mas murang halaga.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2013, 10:58:55 AM by toybitz »
Tele bought 20K. Upgraded pots.  FS: 30K  Trade Value BS: 85K.  Deal tayo?

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« Reply #66 on: January 30, 2013, 05:50:32 PM »
At nung teenager ako, dalawang reason lang kaya ako pumupunta sa mall. It's either to play video games or to see the nice guitars on display. Kawawa naman yung kabataan kung sa internet nalang sila makakakita ng magandang gamit.  :-D
kids these days dont go out for the same reasons we did. plus everything is online na.

wanna play video games with your friends (arcade dati)? go online play mmorpg
wanna hear the latest album from your favorite band (record bars like music1 dati)? go online and stream it
wanna hear what that new pedal sounds like (music shop dati)? go online and listen to clips
wanna see what that nice guitar is really like (music shop ulit)? go online and watch video reviews

kids these days only go out to hang out sa starbucks.

kaya sa Eastwood (and i've complained about this way too much), you have 4 starbucks, 2 coffee bean and tea leaf, and at least 4 other coffee shops but just 1 music shop (lyric) and no record bars.

effin frou-froupuccino drinkin kids!!! geroffamahlawn!!!

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« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2013, 05:56:33 PM »
kids these days dont go out for the same reasons we did. plus everything is online na.

wanna play video games with your friends (arcade dati)? go online play mmorpg
wanna hear the latest album from your favorite band (record bars like music1 dati)? go online and stream it
wanna hear what that new pedal sounds like (music shop dati)? go online and listen to clips
wanna see what that nice guitar is really like (music shop ulit)? go online and watch video reviews

kids these days only go out to hang out sa starbucks.

kaya sa Eastwood (and i've complained about this way too much), you have 4 starbucks, 2 coffee bean and tea leaf, and at least 4 other coffee shops but just 1 music shop (lyric) and no record bars.

effin frou-froupuccino drinkin, J Co eatin' kids!!! geroffamahlawn!!!

Fixed!  :-D

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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2013, 10:06:05 AM »
naalala ko, lagi ako dumadaan sa RJ sa may park square dati, para tignan yung BC Rich copy nila. I didnt care about the guitar being an "RJ", to me it was just an awesome looking guitar that i can rock with. Sometimes i hope mababawa lang ang kaligayahan ko, just like when i was a kid, ang gusto ko lang, maging rockstar, fcuk the tone., lol

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« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2013, 02:44:31 PM »
Fixed!  :-D
man insane yung pila dun (i live just across the street from there). akala ko mawawala na yung mga pila after nung "blockbuster opening weekend". hanggang ngayon parang pila pa din sa Enteng Kabisote movie. mapipilitan kang bumili ng at least a box kasi ang tagal mong pipila for it. :lol:

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« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2013, 05:51:45 PM »
man insane yung pila dun (i live just across the street from there). akala ko mawawala na yung mga pila after nung "blockbuster opening weekend". hanggang ngayon parang pila pa din sa Enteng Kabisote movie. mapipilitan kang bumili ng at least a box kasi ang tagal mong pipila for it. :lol:

OMG!!!  I was in MOA kanina lang...  Bibili dapat ako nyan.  Nag-park pa ako malapit sa area nya.  Dang!  Malayo pa lang ako, kitang-kita ko na ang pila!  Kinuha ko na lang ang kotse sa parking lot at nag-drive thru sa Krispy Kreme sa kabilang side.  Kainis!!!   :eek: :eek: :eek:

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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2013, 06:27:47 PM »
naalala ko, lagi ako dumadaan sa RJ sa may park square dati, para tignan yung BC Rich copy nila. I didnt care about the guitar being an "RJ", to me it was just an awesome looking guitar that i can rock with. Sometimes i hope mababawa lang ang kaligayahan ko, just like when i was a kid, ang gusto ko lang, maging rockstar, fcuk the tone., lol

I remember going to RJ Guitars sa Robinsons Galeria when I was a teenager. Some kid brought in an ESP James Hetfield electric for a string change. And this poster of Kirk Hammett holding a KH2. I been imagining myself playing the guitar ever since. Then I entered the workforce and was able to buy a KH2. The magic is gone. Mas masaya dati, nung allowance lang na galing sa magulang ang budget  :)

kids these days only go out to hang out sa starbucks.

Starbucks in the Philippines is a joke. You can't even order a signature iced chocolate with the ice crushed. I've ordered the same stuff in different places around the world, sa atin lang di pwede dahil frap na raw yun.
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« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2013, 06:37:01 AM »
Jackson's Rare Guitars, one of the best vintage/hi end guitar shop here in Sydney is also now closed.

Sarado na Jackson's?!?  Awwww... I wonder how they disposed of all those vintage guitars. Around 2000 they had almost one whole wall of old Gibson LPs, including lotsa Goldtops. Pagakakita ko nun parang may soundtrack sa ulo ko, "Hallelujah, hallelujah... "

Where are you in Sydney? I underestimated the distance and stupidly walked all the way to Annandale from Circular Quay where I was staying while I was working there. The local acoustic guitar shops are pretty cool, though. Buhay pa ba sila?

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« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2013, 10:29:53 AM »
Where are you in Sydney? I underestimated the distance and stupidly walked all the way to Annandale from Circular Quay where I was staying while I was working there. The local acoustic guitar shops are pretty cool, though. Buhay pa ba sila?

I'm 15 minute drive away from the CBD.  There are still some shops around that are surviving pero hindi na kasing boom gaya ng dati.
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« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2013, 11:33:50 AM »
im in..great insights
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