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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: BAMF on August 20, 2009, 09:26:49 PM
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Ey guys. Ako naman may Q.
We all know how delightful it is to work audio at night. My problem is that my control room has one external wooden wall which does not suppress the sound and it goes out and during that time when I was not yet accustomed to mixing at low volumes, I actually got an irate letter from the neighbor.
So, while I know there is no substitute to monitoring with nearfields, I'd like to ask what headphones do you "trust" with your sound ? Something that can take me about 80-90% of the way for final adjustment when I can fire up the real monitors ?
I have a friend who does scores for TV and movies and his set-up consists of a Mac laptop, an M-audio Oxygen keyboard (the small one) and a set of headphones, all in a neat backpack. Allows him to work anywhere he happens to be. Unfortunately, I was not able to query him on how much he trusts his pair.
Preferably something in the 3-5k range only. I've seen earbuds that cost 12 thousand...ridiculous. Nothing of the sort. Preferably studio type headphones that are "faithful".
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dunno about the pricing on the PI side but Sony MDRs (7506, V6, 7509s) are pretty good as are beyerdynamics and fostex cans. i like audio technica too but the drivers they use tend to be on the heavier side which might not be good for extended listening.
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dunno about the pricing on the PI side but Sony MDRs (7506, V6, 7509s) are pretty good as are beyerdynamics and fostex cans. i like audio technica too but the drivers they use tend to be on the heavier side which might not be good for extended listening.
Uy thanks ! Teka what a coincidence I have Sony MDR's here...3 of them, my sister sent them to me as a gift. Hmm...MDR V150. From what I know, these are relatively cheap in the order of $35 heheh. What ! 19.99 on musiciansfriend and with great reviews (on the sound anyway).
I'm okay with them at times, but up until reading the reviews, I was not sure if I could trust them. Hmm..mukhang my search has ended too soon. Thanks mikey.
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I suggest getting a Sony MDR-7506 or V6.. they are really worth it when tracking and mixing... I tried many cans but I still ended up using my MDR-V6.. though I'm not sure if they sell it here.. I bought mine online.
MDR-V150 are not really studio headphones though sony is marketing it as studio haedphones. I was able to test them before but they're just good for casual listening with an ipod.. for critical listening i suggest getting those V6/7506, akg 240s, senn HD25 or the beyer DT250...
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Thanks dude. My original criteria was something that can take me 80-90% of the way, looks like the V150 can do that. Nonetheless I got my eye on those 7506's. They're not expensive and the reviews go to the high heavens. Might as well do that as soon as my next paypal payment arrives.
I suggest getting a Sony MDR-7506 or V6.. they are really worth it when tracking and mixing... I tried many cans but I still ended up using my MDR-V6.. though I'm not sure if they sell it here.. I bought mine online.
MDR-V150 are not really studio headphones though sony is marketing it as studio haedphones. I was able to test them before but they're just good for casual listening with an ipod.. for critical listening i suggest getting those V6/7506, akg 240s, senn HD25 or the beyer DT250...
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hi mga sirs ask ko lng po kung saan nakakabili nung 7506, it seems hindi sila available locally? and how much kaya?
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hi mga sirs ask ko lng po kung saan nakakabili nung 7506, it seems hindi sila available locally? and how much kaya?
It's about 100 dollars. I'll have mine drop-shipped.
Teka there's someone who can order from music123 on the classifieds, you can maybe ask him to get you a pair.
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you can get an MDR-V6 at amazon for $70.. they're basically the same.. the only thing that sets the 7506 apart is the gold plated jack... and the red(V6) and blue(7506) metallic sticker which you can just peel off... some people say that if the 7506 breaks done and its under warranty, sony will replace it with another 7506 since its labeled as a professional product... but when a V6 breaks sony will just replace it with a mdr-v600 since this headphones are tagged as consumer product. I'm using a V6 and i can hear faint buzzes and hisses that my audiotechnica ath-m30 can't even reveal.. well its up to you if you'll go with the V6 or 7506 because they're both great headphones.. :)
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$70 and a great review sounds irrestible. Thanks bud ! :-)
you can get an MDR-V6 at amazon for $70.. they're basically the same.. the only thing that sets the 7506 apart is the gold plated jack... and the red(V6) and blue(7506) metallic sticker which you can just peel off... some people say that if the 7506 breaks done and its under warranty, sony will replace it with another 7506 since its labeled as a professional product... but when a V6 breaks sony will just replace it with a mdr-v600 since this headphones are tagged as consumer product. I'm using a V6 and i can hear faint buzzes and hisses that my audiotechnica ath-m30 can't even reveal.. well its up to you if you'll go with the V6 or 7506 because they're both great headphones.. :)
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yup! $70 for the V6 is definitely a steal... dont worry too much about the difference between the 7506 and the V6 because its been a long debate which sounds better.. difference is just the sticker and also the marketing, V6(consumer division) and 7506(professional division). at the end of the day the V6 wins because it's $30 cheaper. :lol:
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The Beyerdynamic DT770 headphones are phenomenal. I bought a pair at Guitar Center for 100 dollars - as they were on sale. Here's a review:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar99/articles/sessentials.htm
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Beyer DT990 & sennheiser HD600 would be my best bet. :-)
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There are Sennheiser 210's pala...and they're very inexpensive at 1.2k. :-D. Teka nga lemme look at the reviews...Senn will not put their name on an inferior product...
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AKG 240s for me (I still miss my Senn HD280 Pro), but I'm willing to try Audio Technica's M50.
I used to mix with closed backs, but ever since I used the open backed AKGs, my mixes have translated very well.
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There are Sennheiser 210's pala...and they're very inexpensive at 1.2k. :-D. Teka nga lemme look at the reviews...Senn will not put their name on an inferior product...
(http://www.onheadphones.com/images/content/product/sennheiser-hd201/large/sennheiser%20hd201_1.JPG)
HD201's ba? The ones with the big Sennheiser Logos on the cups?
They're very good, especially for the price. Pero I wouldn't say they're effective monitor cans cause with this model (and half-a-dozen ones above it), the sound is "coloured". It's got that uhh.. Signature Sennheiser EQ... that you'll definitely notice when you have two or three Senn cans.
Recommendation ko naman, Behringers. Yeah, I know they're not well-loved around these parts. :lol:
Just check out any InTune store and try em out personally. Their prices start at 1,000 flat (HPM1000) but the proverbial star in my estimation was the HPX4000.
(http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/cm/goodhousekeeping/images/Behringer-HPX4000-black-fb-44020014.jpg)
Clean, balanced sound. The lows are solid, but not overpowering. The highs are clear, shimmery, but not overly so. They look like Grados, they sound similar, but these are more tame. The actual cans are smaller than usual full-size fare, but it's very well-built. The price? Less than 3,000.
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BAMF, lilihis ako ng konti. a good pair of earphones is a must but it completely takes away the cross talk that regular stereo speakers normally create. might i suggest a pair of teeny weeny speakers instead, like the 4 inch krk vxt's or ... what im currently badly gassing for, the weird pot-like pair of Espressivo PS-02 monitors from Japan. shinji and i will post a thread on these babies very soon. the cones are probably about 2 inches in diameter. theyre powerful, despite the size, but do not be fooled, they are very very expressive (hence the name) and i have never heard reverb in any other speaker they way i heard it from the "paso" ... (what i fondly call them) ...waaaaay clearer than anything ive experienced in the past. in addition i don't think room treatment would be much of an issue with these tiny tools (unless youre mixing from your bath tub, lol). like i said they look like small flower pots and are typically placed about 4 inches away from each side of your keyboard, cones facing up. so normally, you don't need them very far from you, and therefore, comfortably mix on lower levels. the price though is somewhat steep for a 2-inch pair (but worth it in my opinion!)... :-D
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Thanks for the more options guys. Whew...Behringer was a dark horse there. They do have bright spots in their lines, its just a matter of knowing which ones they are.
@hazel : are the paso's locally available ? My plan with the headphones anyway was just to get a couple of things out of the way like EQ, levels and the general interaction of the frequencies, then shift over to the monitor speakers during daytime :-D. I don't think phasing problems can be heard over headphones yeah.
@Boskit" AT M50...I've heard that before...I think its one of those with glowing reviews. Lemme google that...
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the paso's have to be ordered from japan and im praying i can get them by the end of the year. i was looking for their website but i cant seem to find it kasi japanese. we'll post pics very soon.
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The Beyerdynamic DT770 headphones are phenomenal. I bought a pair at Guitar Center for 100 dollars - as they were on sale. Here's a review:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar99/articles/sessentials.htm
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100$??? thats a good deal.. i got mine before and costs more :cry:.. but yes they are good headphones and VERY COMFY TOO especially if you wear them for a long period of time.... 8-)
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100$??? thats a good deal.. i got mine before and costs more :cry:.. but yes they are good headphones and VERY COMFY TOO especially if you wear them for a long period of time.... 8-)
O Kuya Baldo magtatambak ka ba ng surplus equipment mo sa studio ko ? Okay na kahit apogee rosetta lang. Mwahahaha.
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has anyone tried M-audio studiophile q40?
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anybody tried the yamaha S-logic phones yet, that promises a more spacious soundstage even with phones?
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-RH10MS-S-Logic-Studio-Headphones?sku=241748
did a search of that S-logic technology, and i believe it was developed by another company selling much much much more expensive headphones than this, and yamaha just licensed their technology and produced one for the masses like us, hehehe.
i'm tempted to try it, especially in my work as a film&video location recording engineer, but I'm afraid $99 bucks ain't easy to cough up, if one is so used to one's favorite already - the ATH-M40fs in my case.
So anybody tried this yet - maybe from the hi-fi crowd? anybody?
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has anyone tried M-audio studiophile q40?
I have a pair of the Q40 and the IE 40 as well.
All I can say is that it was worth getting them.
Cheers!
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O Kuya Baldo magtatambak ka ba ng surplus equipment mo sa studio ko ? Okay na kahit apogee rosetta lang. Mwahahaha.
NGEK.... sorry ala na pambili hehehehe
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NGEK.... sorry ala na pambili hehehehe
Magpapabili ako! Kailan ba next na uwi?
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Mga ser ! Nananampalataya na ko sa Sony MD V150 ko ! Basta ! :-D
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Mga ser ! Nananampalataya na ko sa Sony MD V150 ko ! Basta ! :-D
Tatlo yung sa'yo di ba? Benta mo yung isa saken!!!
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When i was reading this thread.. and eventually on sir bamf's post about his sony monitor headphones, naisip ko yung headphones ng friend ko na gamit nya dati sa mp3 player at putol yung dulo ng cable.. "Parang Sony yun ah?!" :evil: then hours passed, "tol, pwede ko ba mahiram yung 'di mo na ginagamit na headphones, yung putol? and luckily he replied "sayo na lang, paayos mo":-D...........................
..........and what a surprise! it was a Sony V150 :-o medyo mababaw ang kaligayahan pero atleast hindi na cdr-king gamit ko :-D
eto na siya ngayon(got fixed)
(http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss52/pizza_girlalush/sony.jpg)
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HA HA TSAMBA SWERTE MO.... hanap nga rin ako ng friend ko...
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pareng alien inside..matagal pa... alam mo naman ngayon e krisis hehehehe.. sana next year..
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just tried a pair of Grado SR series and it was really silky smooooth.. tamang tama sa classical and intrumentals.. my AKG 240's sounded close to it but the Grados are more comfortable and open back design is really good for extended listening. the Sennheiser's is also good, the bass is a little bit more than the Grado.. For close back design, the Beyerdynamic DT770 is more all around for me since it really lets you hear that "low frequency bass" which is usually not heard on headphones ... just my own opinion though 8-)...
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We A/B'ed Peeves M40 with the V150.
They were almost almost the same in the mid to high frequency even in the details. It was in the bass where the M40 had the edge. It had a bigger bass sound.
Pero for all practical purposes, specially for preliminary mixes, tumbok na 'to if it fares very well in contrast to an M40 !
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but if i got the dough i will try to get ( key word here is TRY hehehe) Ultrasone headphones ... it has some sort of protection against magnetic radiation or something... better safe than sorry 8-)
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We A/B'ed Peeves M40 with the V150.
They were almost almost the same in the mid to high frequency even in the details. It was in the bass where the M40 had the edge. It had a bigger bass sound.
Pero for all practical purposes, specially for preliminary mixes, tumbok na 'to if it fares very well in contrast to an M40 !
bamf AT NC500 yung akin
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Suri I sit corrected. My bad. I wonder where I got M40 ? Hmmm....some of my neurons are misfiring. Must be lack o sleep.
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Suri I sit corrected. My bad. I wonder where I got M40 ? Hmmm....some of my neurons are misfiring. Must be lack o sleep.
mag VITAPLUS ka... ( we recorded the album here )
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I use AKG K66 Natural Sound Stereo Headphones.
It's cheap but gives me a natural, uncolored sound. :-D
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41mBD9EnHtL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
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I use AKG K66 Natural Sound Stereo Headphones.
It's cheap but gives me a natural, uncolored sound. :-D
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41mBD9EnHtL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
Saan ba makakabili nyan?
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AKGs... sa Audiophile and yung isang Audio store (Audioden ba? Yung may Soundcraft Spirit mixers) sa Park Square.
Pero I THINK phased out na yung K66. In that case, may 1 or 2 stocks pa sa 5th Avenue store sa Robinson's Ermita.
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ey guys its back
really really nice headphones
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,150342.0.html
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Mine is the Beyerdynamic DT770PRO. :-)
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Mine is the Beyerdynamic DT770PRO. :-)
pareng Marv... i think mas all around nga ang DT770 ... mas dinig mo lahat ng instrument at tamang tama sa ibat ibang genre ng music. 8-)
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A pair of AKG77's just arrived. Looks like the K66's are no longer available.
Sounds great although I can hear certain things that I don't like. I'm not sure if it's the headphones (or its accuracy) or that I'm trying them right now on my Ipod with the of-course-crummy .mp3 encoding.
I think it needs some period of break-in time.
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A pair of AKG77's just arrived. Looks like the K66's are no longer available.
Sounds great although I can hear certain things that I don't like. I'm not sure if it's the headphones (or its accuracy) or that I'm trying them right now on my Ipod with the of-course-crummy .mp3 encoding.
I think it needs some period of break-in time.
Cool! Was always interested in the K66's. Haven't heard of the successor until now.
Also, I've heard uhm.. issues.. about the utter inefficiency of the iPod's internal amp, so maybe that's the problem? :lol: Besides, I think cans sound their best when sampled through a dedicated headphone amp. Anyway, maybe a 48-hour burn-in isn't a bad idea?
Post pics! :lol:
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Cool! Was always interested in the K66's. Haven't heard of the successor until now.
Also, I've heard uhm.. issues.. about the utter inefficiency of the iPod's internal amp, so maybe that's the problem? :lol: Besides, I think cans sound their best when sampled through a dedicated headphone amp. Anyway, maybe a 48-hour burn-in isn't a bad idea?
Post pics! :lol:
IMHO the sony MDR V-150's still give it a run for its money. Dunno if its a fair comparison, but these sony's are more "in your face".
Its amazing how the price of these K77's fluctuate. Last time I looked it up it was $70. Now it's only $39.99. What gives ??
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Its amazing how the price of these K77's fluctuate. Last time I looked it up it was $70. Now it's only $39.99. What gives ??
That means these are going to be discontinued soon and they're trying to get rid of stocks. I used to have the K220M which was similar to the K44 but going from those the the K240M was like night and day.
There's an MDR-V300 in the classifieds. Used to own the V600 which was very detailed - loved the fact that the V600 had only a single cord on the left side and that it folded into a very compact format. I miss those cans. (and my Senns)
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I'm re-reading reviews for the MDR150 on epinions.com . Man what a range of responses.
At the same time, I'm moving from can-to-can between these K77's a pair of Akai ASE-22's (customers) and this MDR-150. The guys who gave these pair of cans a bad rap must be deaf. They're the most open-sounding, most 3D of the three (I [gooey brown stuff] thee knot !)! What a lucky accident that my sister looked for the cheapest studio headphones she could find and sent me these. I was grateful then, now I'm truly grateful.
But then again, maybe my AKG K77's aren't fully broken in yet...
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gamit ko akg270p (playback) 2 speakers in each earcup.. parang nagsasabi ata nang totoo ito kasi walang boom or bass halos.. medyo antique narin sakin ito..pang mix ko sa isang monitor din..as much as possible lahat ng monitor na pwede sana ay subukan mo kunan ng opinyon..Isa itong k270 na pinag kukunan ko opinion hindi lang sa tunog kundi pati sa spatial positioning ng instruments..or mas simple pag nag panning na nang instrumento. di ko alam kung extra ordinary ito pero nakarinig nako ng pan dito na lumabas sa batok ko yung position.. hehehe.
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I use AKG K66 Natural Sound Stereo Headphones.
It's cheap but gives me a natural, uncolored sound. :-D
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41mBD9EnHtL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)
i saw these sa Park Square one Makati (tama ba? kung san ung JB music sa area na un?) the other day.
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i saw these sa Park Square one Makati (tama ba? kung san ung JB music sa area na un?) the other day.
mine is Sony XD100. ( sa booth ). Not that TRUSTY so i have to EQ it...
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btw i didn't see those AKG K66's sa Jb. nakita ko siya sa isang store dun sa park square naka display. :-D
I use this:
Fostex T-40 RP
(http://www.musik-service.de/images/prx/395752989/i00.jpg)
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Buhayin ko lang ito sir naghahanap ako ng ganito ngayon eh. Ano ba masuggest nyo or kung may offer kayo PM niyo ako. :-D
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i just recently got a TDK headset (don't know what model) and it kinda looks like the Sony V150. IMO, it sounds really nice. you guys wanna A/B this with the Sony V150?
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/spectre261/tumblr_kxvwpkapnz1qaay9vo1_1280.jpg?t=1269189195)
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@CDRKing there's a TDK super-aural open-back model thats in stock right now. I love it too !
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pashare lang po mga sir
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs035.snc3/12309_378859207569_523622569_3625875_150831_n.jpg)
i both love them..ung victor flat response balance lhat ng low at highs nya not overpowering,and also the other one which i think npka rare na,search the net but wala tlgang ngbebenta..sound performance nito for me 10/10,ung low tlga nito siksik but notice na notice mo na nde sya pang soundtrip sa mga mp3s.tlgang png monitoring tlga.lows are tight but not overpowering too. :-)
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@CDRKing there's a TDK super-aural open-back model thats in stock right now. I love it too !
Yun ba yung tig 450php sir Jobet?
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Hi Mr. Floyd. I agree with you with the sony headphone. I have one which I have been using for years already. Its rare indeed. This one has originally that telephone cord which I already replaced. Ito pa ang ginagamit ko nung naka cassette based multitracker pa ako and starfugger was one of my clients hehehehe. mid 90s pa yta yun.
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try nyo din yung stock earphones ng ipod. halos lahat ata ng kilala ko dyan na nakikinig ng music. kung maganda labas dyan di mismo na. konti nalang ata ang nakikinig sa magandang hi fi stereo. na mis ko tuloy warfdale diamond 9.1 ko. :-(
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Audio Technica ATH-M30... dami gumagamit nito...
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Nakabili na ako ng SONY MDR-V150!!! Hehe!!! Pwede na uli malibing itong thread na ito. :-D
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Yun ba yung tig 450php sir Jobet?
Yes ! Panalo sya! Yung open-back ! You can't use it for tracking tho kasi magkaka-leakage ka anlakas ng lumalabas outside of the headphones.