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Offline legnacilyz

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« on: October 11, 2005, 11:15:10 PM »
Hello guys..

baguhan po ako dito.. Im a musician for about 5 years nah pero ngayon lng po kme nkapag buo ng banda kahet kulang bassist.. hehehe nagrerecording ren po kami ng first compose po namen dito lng sa bahay.. ang gamit ko po ay pc lang.. using softwares such as Guitar Tracks Pro (demo nga lng.. huhuhu), Sound forge 7 and other audio utilities.. nasubukan po namen magrecord ng sabay sabay kmeng tumutugtog nung sumipot d2 sa bahay ung original bassist nmen original using the typical sound recorder ng windows and a typical mic na binaba ko ang volume niya pra ung malalakas na sound or freuencies and makuha nya ignoring the passing cars, tricycles, barking dogs etc sa labas ng bahay.. i've changed the file format ng 44100kbps 16khz pra mejo ganda ng quality.. then we've noti na panget tunog and mejo sabog kc mono lng ang input ng sound dahil ang mic nmen is mono nga lng.... kaya we've tried layering baka kc may pagasang gumanda.. isa isang recording ng instruments.. first d drums then the bass then guitars then vocals.. Gamet ko po Sound Forge 7 sa edit ng bawat track and paglapat sa bawat track into one sound file.. and base file is ung drums at sa file nun dun ko ilalapat ung bass and guitars then vocals.. i've placed the bass at the left channel then guitars at the right.. then vocals nman.. but still parang ang nipis ng tunog or parang nde maganda ang pagkakasama sama although may left and right channel nah.. stereo! hehee... ive tried editing each file.. ive edited the drum track.. when i listen to my downloaded mp3s, ung drums, the sound came from both channels.. stereo! hehehe.. pero ung sakn, sa gitna mo naririnig kc nga mono pagkakarecord kahit and file format is stereo and 44100kbps 16khz. then ive tried using one of my software na nagcchange daw ng mono to stereo.. their trick is just to delay the right channel to 10milisecond sa left channel.. mejo ok.. pero if you listen carefully mrrinig mo tlga ung delay... what i want is make it sound like it came from both channels hindi lng sa gitna.. meron po buh sa sound forge na nag aapply ng gnung effect?? or is there a software u can recommend to me to use para mgwa ko ung nais ko sa sound file?? applies to all of my recorded tracks sana.. miski po sa vocals.. sa gitna nyo po maririnig nanggagaling ung sound.. un po.. enge naman po sana ng tips pra maimprove po ung recorded track ko po pra maging stereo ang bawat isa sa knila.. ^_^ mahal po kasi sa studio ngayon and ang pagbili ng mga mamahaling gamet eh.. poor po kme.. =P tska i wanted to learn it too.. salamat po sa mga magbibigay ng payo!

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2005, 05:59:23 PM »
first of all, i think kaya dapat stereo ang drums kasi ung mga drums and cymbals on the left of the player should come out sa left channel at ganun din sa right. kaya kung gusto po niyo ng ganun sa stereo at the least po dapat may 2 mic inputs po kaya para at the least dalawang sound files in total ung drums niyo, one for the left tus one for the right. un lng po. :wink:

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2005, 03:14:09 PM »
gamit k iba software......... try mo ung acid pro para medyo simple :)

tpos record kayo ng paisa isa.... wag ung sabay sabay.. para kahit paano di maging muddy kalalabsan nung audio :)

dun k mg umpisa :) kung ala kayo pmbile ng mixer kahit microphone n lng n mganda..... pg ala p din :) kahit ano na lang bsta tama ung pgkk mic ng instrumento :) oks n din demo lng naman e :)
:) less post, less mistake!

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2005, 12:01:09 AM »
Quote from: legnacilyz
44100kbps 16khz


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Baka you mean 44.1 khz 16 bit. 44.1 is the samplerate while 16 bit is the bit depth of each sample. Kung gusto mo ng free multitrack recorder, try Kristal, which is similar to Cool Edit/Adobe Audition; while ang Audacity naman ay isang free audio editor. Quite powerful sila for free apps, at least you won't be accused of software piracy for using them.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2005, 11:20:20 AM »
unfortunately, mahal talaga mga recording equipment so dont expect na nakakarecord ka ng maayos, the best you can do is demo quality.  start with a good mic and mic preamp, then decent soundcard, tsaka na yun software, kahit na 24/96 pa ang recording mo, kung pangit yun signal na pumapasok wala rin, isa sa pinakamahirap i-record ang drums (together with vocals), di basta bastang mic ang gamit dahil iba iba ang frequency response ng bawat mic, so ang mag wowork sa cymbals, di angkop sa base o tom,  sorry to disappoint you pero may dahilan kaya multi million ang nagagastos sa "totoong" recording studio


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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2005, 02:58:44 PM »
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... sorry to disappoint you pero may dahilan kaya multi million ang nagagastos sa "totoong" recording studio


Granted na these major studios use Pro Tools and other high end equipment like Studers, Langevins, and Neumans, its true na aabot ng million ang required investment.

On the other side of the coin naman, there are artists like Claire Marlo who recorded their album sa bahay nila, tracking a few artists/instruments at a time, tapos building up the tracks until she was happy. John Taylor of Duran Duran made his solo album in a garage, and there are countless stories of artists who made demos on 4 track cassette some tracks of which made it to the final mix.

In my experience, ang mga kailangan to make a good recording is the following:

- a good mic, not the 'sony' ripoffs na kasama sa mga karaoke or ung mga 'blaster mics, but at least a Shure SM57 or 58 will do for starters. Perfectly adequate for vocals and some instrument miking ang mga shure.

- a good preamp/interface. Anong point ng magandang mic o gitara kung yung papasukan ng signal nila ay isang cheapie na mixer o soundcard? What you need is a very low noisefloor mixer or soundcard. Sa mixdown, kapag lahat ng mga tracks mo mataas ung 'hiss', naririnig un and that's how the pro's can tell kung masama ung recording. Some 'blasters have high noise floor and other technical limitations that make them unsuitable for recording. I've used an AWE32 and SBLive before kaya alam ko how difficult na tanggalin ung hiss nila.

- good recording equipment or software. Since pc-based ako, I was lucky na may kasamang Cubase ang Emu ko. There's a big difference when using 'try-before-u-buy' and registered software - updates. In most cases, libre ang mga updates at support ng registered software. Kumpleto pa sa mga manual, e.g. ung manual ng Sonar 4 is more than 700 pages!

- good monitors. What's the point kung maganda ang gamit pero pagdating sa mixdown ay earbud headphones ang gamit? I'm using relatively cheap Fostex 2.1 monitors but what's important is they sound good and allow me to hear 'depth'. You can visualize the soundstage kung maganda ung monitors mo, tsaka kapag nakapag-mixdown ka na sa cd at nagplayback ka sa component o car stereo at maganda tunog nila dun, then you have good monitors.

- Lastly, all the above is useless kung wala kang 'tainga' for the job and a good recording environment. All the above requires skill and a good ear for the job. Madalas, you have to be objective (and yet subjective) when mixing.

Medyo long post but when you add up the cost of the above, hindi aabot ng million. Not even hundreds of the thousands! The only thing priceless is skill.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2005, 03:20:04 PM »
Hi legnacilyz,

 Cguro ala na ako gano masasabi kasi halos na explain na ni KitC. Me and my band have been doing this Home Recording for almost 3 years na. Nag start lang kami with an onboard sound card sa PC and sounds is really awful!! sobrang panget pare kahit top of the line na ang PC(P4 1.8, 512 ram - that time malakas na yun),mics (behringer condensers, shure sm58&57) and softwares(Cool Edit Pro, Sonar, Cubase).
  We then tried upgrading our hardware pc hardware. We bought Creative Audigy2 ZS Platinum and upgraded our rig ( P4 3.2 Extreme, 2GB RAM PC533 Geil, and a Large Disk Space - 4 x 250GB Sata, 2 x 120GB Eide).
From then on gumanda na ang tunog ng recording namin and tumatanggap na rin kami ng mga nagpaparecording para sa mga demo cd's nila.
  Fortunately nakaipon ako pera para pambili ng EMU1820M at ngayon mas maganda na rin ang recording namin. ang masusuggest ko lang eh "BUY A GOOD SOUND CARD" muna kung wala ka pang budget ng pang EMU (ex. CreativeAudigy 2 or 4, X-FI) kasi kahit ganong kagaling ang skill mo sa mixing or sound engineering kung di mo naman mapalabas na magandang tunog sa output mo eh wala rin ang pinaghirapan mo.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2005, 11:44:20 PM »
Don’t get me wrong, I'm not saying its impossible, but there is a reason why there are expensive equipments, particularly the analog ones.  kahit naman ako may munting project studio, and I do agree with kitC, basically yun din naman sinabi ko, my only point is dont expect na maging katunog mo yun mga "profesional studios".  




peace  :wink:

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2005, 06:37:18 PM »
Quote from: edgeofillusion-jepoy

  Fortunately nakaipon ako pera para pambili ng EMU1820M at ngayon mas maganda na rin ang recording namin. ang masusuggest ko lang eh "BUY A GOOD SOUND CARD" muna kung wala ka pang budget ng pang EMU...


@edge - Finally, another Emu 1820 user! Invite kita sa productionforums.com, dude!
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2005, 07:03:32 PM »
Quote from: bagtasa
Don’t get me wrong, I'm not saying its impossible, but there is a reason why there are expensive equipments, particularly the analog ones.  kahit naman ako may munting project studio, and I do agree with kitC, basically yun din naman sinabi ko, my only point is dont expect na maging katunog mo yun mga "profesional studios".  

peace  :wink:


bagtasa,

I fully agree with you also, but the paradigm is changing, albeit gradually. The advent of available software and equipment has made it possible to produce professional sounding home recordings. However, most of the software and hardware needed to reach that level of proficiency is beyond the reach of most hobbyists and project studio owners here in the Phils. Renting time in a pro studio is not an option for most without some form of label funding.

Like you, I also have my own project studio and my pc is into its 3rd incarnation. The sad truth remains that one has to be current with the technology yet be constrained by budget. At least, one can start out small and as one's ears become more discerning, upgrade one's equipment and software accordingly.

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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2005, 08:58:30 PM »
bagtasa behringer user ka ah...  :lol:


next on my list is

RODE NT1A
SM57
M-audio or other Monitors
HARD drive / memory


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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2005, 10:25:19 PM »
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kitc, how much yung fostex ?


Bought it a couple of yrs ago from Musicians Friend for $79 in one of their closeouts! It is a precursor to the PM 2.1; had my ate b-box it and it survived the trip!

If you can manage it, I'd check this out: http://www.studiospares.com/pd_248000_STU%20SN10%20NEARFIELD%20MONITORS%20PAIR.htm

Doesn't say if they're powered but for the price, chances are they're not. It's the closest thing you can get to new stock NS-10s.

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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2005, 12:40:46 AM »
is there something wrong w/ behringer products ? what can you huys say about behringer's UltraGain MIC200 tube pre-amp ?

http://www.behringer.com/MIC200/index.cfm?lang=ENG

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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2005, 05:06:50 PM »
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is there something wrong w/ behringer products ?


There are only 2 behri products that meet my expectations so far; the ADA8000 and BCF2000, both of which are not yet available locally.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2005, 01:05:00 AM »
wow!!! thanks guys!!! i didnt expect na maraming magrereply!!! salamat ulet mga pipol!!! those posts were a big help!! thanks sa mga advices!!! now i know kung anong popodondohan ko!!!

Salamat po ulet mga sir!!! ^_^
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