Snare Drum Tuning and Head Selection thread

[sonicassault]

Meron rin akong earmuffs sir parang naka miced yung tunog niya para sakin. 

This is the desired effect. Pero kung overtone-y pa rin sya, yun, EC1 reverse dot or Genera na

Or maybe you're looking for a 5.5" or deeper steel/bronze snare with warm batter head kind of sound (say, a Supra with Coated Emperors or Black X; maybe even a Joey Jordison snare). Deep enough to be warm and focused, but the shell is bright enough to still crack and cut. 

[harugrugrug]

All I could say is love the overtones.
My gigging snare sounds odd in front of me,when I hear it when somebody plays it,I saw to myself
Yummy! Sarap, haha
My Joey has ambassador hehe,it's for sale,haha,joke
But when you cranked it up it sounds like a timba na matalas
Pero when I heard my friend Joey from afar with my same tuning it's sweet,
So think of all the factors starting from the head selection and desired sound you want and
Where will you use this snare.
All I can say 2 ply skin for snare makes the snare manhid,ehehe,you will not hear ghost notes nicely
Parang May ago yung tunog.

[jviado]

This is the desired effect. Pero kung overtone-y pa rin sya, yun, EC1 reverse dot or Genera na

Or maybe you're looking for a 5.5" or deeper steel/bronze snare with warm batter head kind of sound (say, a Supra with Coated Emperors or Black X; maybe even a Joey Jordison snare). Deep enough to be warm and focused, but the shell is bright enough to still crack and cut. 

Sige sir. Baka EC1 nalang. Hahahaha!! Salamat ng marami sir.

All I could say is love the overtones.
My gigging snare sounds odd in front of me,when I hear it when somebody plays it,I saw to myself
Yummy! Sarap, haha
My Joey has ambassador hehe,it's for sale,haha,joke
But when you cranked it up it sounds like a timba na matalas
Pero when I heard my friend Joey from afar with my same tuning it's sweet,
So think of all the factors starting from the head selection and desired sound you want and
Where will you use this snare.
All I can say 2 ply skin for snare makes the snare manhid,ehehe,you will not hear ghost notes nicely
Parang May ago yung tunog.

Yung 12x7 ko sir ganun and i also like overtones. Wag lang sobra. Hahaha!! Pero yung 14x5.5 may hinahanap akong tunog na hindi ko makuha. Hehehe. Anyway, salamat sir!

[gss]

Mukhang EC1 siguro or Genera Dry over Hazy 300. Well hindi pa naman ako tumutugtog ng walang mic except sa bahay. Laging miced yung snare (Top and Bottom). Ano ba pinagkaiba ng Remo Ambassador sa EC1 Reverse Dot or EC Reverse Dot? I'm happy with my 12x7(Ambassador(Batter), Ambassador Hazy(Reso)).  Pero yung sa 14x5.5 ko parang may kulang talaga. Hahahaha!! Meron rin akong earmuffs sir parang naka miced yung tunog niya para sakin. 

Sir naka die-cast hoops ako up and down sa 14x5.5 ko eh. Hehe. Oo sir nag post rin ako. Kayo sir? Ano ba gamit niyong batter/reso sa snare niyo? nagpalit kasi ako heads ng toms ko from Remo to Evans so i'm thinking of changing my Snare heads to Evans na rin. Pero kung hindi ako maconvince sa evans heads. Play safe nalang ako and stay with Remo Ambassadors on my snares.    

1 ply ang ambassador and ec1 while 2ply ang ec, please correct me if i'm wrong...

I have a birch 13in with die cast hoops...evans genera dry batter and manufacturer's stock reso heads for almost 3 years, gigged with it a few times, no complaints (well none that i know of at least hehe) tuklap na sa gitna yung coating ng genera, but no noticeable deterioration in sound quality

I have a maple 14in with flanged hoops...evans genera st dry batter and hazy 300 stock reso for a little over a year now...haven't used it sa gig but i sure would love to...this is the one i've inquired about in my post above...

whatever makes you happy sir 

Actually sir eitherway, remo or evans, you'll surely find the right head combination to suit your preference sa dami ng choices under both brands...i had remo coated ambassador sa snare and clear emperors in my previous kit ok din...now i'm using evans ec2s in my current kit...the old one was open while my current one is a bit tighter...

[sonicassault]

All I could say is love the overtones.
My gigging snare sounds odd in front of me,when I hear it when somebody plays it,I saw to myself
Yummy! Sarap, haha
My Joey has ambassador hehe,it's for sale,haha,joke
But when you cranked it up it sounds like a timba na matalas
Pero when I heard my friend Joey from afar with my same tuning it's sweet,
So think of all the factors starting from the head selection and desired sound you want and
Where will you use this snare.
All I can say 2 ply skin for snare makes the snare manhid,ehehe,you will not hear ghost notes nicely
Parang May ago yung tunog.

Tama si sir, medyo manhid nga sa ghost notes ang 2 ply. But if you have a heavy left hand like me, quits naman. Sick rock/blues/gospel tones when you dig into thick heads too. Wag lang talaga Hydraulics dear lord.

Sir harugrugrug bakal siguro yung mga timba nyo sa bahay. Plastik kasi samin eh, tunog floor tom. Yung kawali ng lola ko tunog ping ride 

[harugrugrug]

Tama si sir, medyo manhid nga sa ghost notes ang 2 ply. But if you have a heavy left hand like me, quits naman. Sick rock/blues/gospel tones when you dig into thick heads too. Wag lang talaga Hydraulics dear lord.

Sir harugrugrug bakal siguro yung mga timba nyo sa bahay. Plastik kasi samin eh, tunog floor tom. Yung kawali ng lola ko tunog ping ride 

Hehe,practice Ka ng stick control para di Ka maging heavy handed,dati metal player ako and heavy handed
Pero when I started using stick control for dynamics,humina ghost notes ko,and the same time I could play louder
Haha.try mo,hehe,as for hydraulics,ehehe Tama Ka dyan,ehehe. Pero
Players preference pa din yan, 2 ply never made my day in snare

Haha! Kulit mo din,hehe Tatak nung akin bestank,at meron din akong Orocan,ahaha

[sonicassault]

Hehe,practice Ka ng stick control para di Ka maging heavy handed,dati metal player ako and heavy handed
Pero when I started using stick control for dynamics,humina ghost notes ko,and the same time I could play louder
Haha.try mo,hehe,as for hydraulics,ehehe Tama Ka dyan,ehehe. Pero
Players preference pa din yan, 2 ply never made my day in snare

Haha! Kulit mo din,hehe Tatak nung akin bestank,at meron din akong Orocan,ahaha

Wala na akong fine motor control sa left hand dahil sa injury kaya yung ghost notes ko medyo malakas, so bawi sa palo. Double ply heads help, pero kung single ply, ayos lang din naman pero mas 16th note groove na ang dating kesa solid na backbeat.

Anyway BTT, balitaan mo kami TS!

[jviado]

Wala na akong fine motor control sa left hand dahil sa injury kaya yung ghost notes ko medyo malakas, so bawi sa palo. Double ply heads help, pero kung single ply, ayos lang din naman pero mas 16th note groove na ang dating kesa solid na backbeat.

Anyway BTT, balitaan mo kami TS!

Eto sir. Gusto ko sana mag tunog kahoy yung snare ko. Bitin na bitin ako sa pagka "Wood Sound" niya eh. From Ambassador coated(10-ply) to EC1 Reverse Dot(14-ply) mas magtunog kahoy kaya siya? Saka sa ilalim ba ok rin mag Hazy 300? Naka die-cast hoops kasi ako eh. May issue ba sa pagiging tunog kahoy yung hoops?

[Ralph_Petrucci]

Eto sir. Gusto ko sana mag tunog kahoy yung snare ko. Bitin na bitin ako sa pagka "Wood Sound" niya eh. From Ambassador coated(10-ply) to EC1 Reverse Dot(14-ply) mas magtunog kahoy kaya siya? Saka sa ilalim ba ok rin mag Hazy 300? Naka die-cast hoops kasi ako eh. May issue ba sa pagiging tunog kahoy yung hoops?

kung gusto mo mas tunog kahoy, loose-r tuning ka tapos get a thinner reso.

yung hoops wala masyado issue dun. though my experience, pag diecast hoops ang snare, mas muffled sounding siya. tska nangangain ng sticks hahahaha

[sonicassault]

kung gusto mo mas tunog kahoy, loose-r tuning ka tapos get a thinner reso.

yung hoops wala masyado issue dun. though my experience, pag diecast hoops ang snare, mas muffled sounding siya. tska nangangain ng sticks hahahaha

+1

Tapos kung gusto mo tunog kahoy talaga, Remo Fiberskyn.

[harugrugrug]

S hoopS! Ehehe throaty wood ang snare ko,remo ambassador and s hoops,getting
Lots of compliment with that.

[jviado]

kung gusto mo mas tunog kahoy, loose-r tuning ka tapos get a thinner reso.

yung hoops wala masyado issue dun. though my experience, pag diecast hoops ang snare, mas muffled sounding siya. tska nangangain ng sticks hahahaha

Hahahahaha!! Tinry ko yung medium tight na tuning pero nabibitin parin ako sa tunog eh. Pag sobrang loose naman wala ng kwenta. Hahahaha!!!! Kung kumuha ako ng thicker batter mas magtutunog kahoy ba siya?

+1

Tapos kung gusto mo tunog kahoy talaga, Remo Fiberskyn.

Magkano ba yung Fiberskyn sir? EC1 Reverse Dot ba won't be enough ba para maging tunog kahoy? 

S hoopS! Ehehe throaty wood ang snare ko,remo ambassador and s hoops,getting
Lots of compliment with that.

Pag nabitin ako sa tunog sir after changing heads. Palit din ako hoops.  pero baka Sonic Saver Hoops kunin ko since BP yung snare ko. Hehehe. 

[Ralph_Petrucci]

EC1 would help na. thicker heads will make your snare sound round, but not Woody. yung woody sound can be achieved with the right overtones. warmthhhhh. mmmmmm...

anong BP ba yan? maple?

my personal advice, stick to the default hardware of the BP. solid na yan eh. proper tuning and head selection lang.

para mapadali, bigyan mo naman kami ng sample song or artist na hinahabol mo ang snare sound. mas okay kung may video or sound links.


naalala ko tuloy nung hinahanting ko yung tunog ng snare sa pagalis ni barbie almalbis. kala ko 14 x 5.5. maple picolo pala na ambassadors lang. lumayo pa ako HAHAHAHA

[sonicassault]

Magkano ba yung Fiberskyn sir? EC1 Reverse Dot ba won't be enough ba para maging tunog kahoy? 

Not sure on the price, pero pricey sya. Di naman sa pag hindi Fiberskyn hindi na tunog kahoy, but it's a synthetic version of calfskin, as used with old drums, bongos, congas, and pretty much every other kind of drum. Pag hindi pa nagtunog kahoy yan, ewan ko na lang 

Yung snare ko, naka Hydraulics, tunog kahoy. Kahoy na box.   

[jviado]

Not sure on the price, pero pricey sya. Di naman sa pag hindi Fiberskyn hindi na tunog kahoy, but it's a synthetic version of calfskin, as used with old drums, bongos, congas, and pretty much every other kind of drum. Pag hindi pa nagtunog kahoy yan, ewan ko na lang 

Yung snare ko, naka Hydraulics, tunog kahoy. Kahoy na box.   

Hahahahaha!! Kahoy na box....  Sige sir. Maraming salamat. Tignan ko magkano Fiberskyn.  Pag masyado mahal baka EC1 Reverse Dot over Hazy 300 nalang ako. Thanks!!! 

[ZherVin12]

Anung sound Muna ang gusto mo makuha?
Kasi you gave as your influence pero it doesn't mean na you like the sound they use.
Hehe,gets paps?

Gusto ko sir yung bright and loud to compliment my guitar player who usually uses 2 amps for his guitar. Yung tipong tumatagos sa dibdib. Hehehe. What can you suggest sir? 

[sonicassault]

Gusto ko sir yung bright and loud to compliment my guitar player who usually uses 2 amps for his guitar. Yung tipong tumatagos sa dibdib. Hehehe. What can you suggest sir? 

Two options: Single ply heads (Remo Ambassador or Evans G1), clear or coated depende sa panlasa mo, tuned medium to tight. Or, bili ka ng piccolo snare na steel, tapos salpakan mo ng 2 ply heads, tuned tight (pwede rin single ply, mas hataw yun pero baka masyado mala-timbale ang tunog para sa taste mo).

Difference between the two: mas may boom yung wood snare (I'm just assuming this is what you have, ano nga ba meron ka?) pag hinataw mo nang todo yun ang tagos sa dibdib! yung piccolo naman puro crack, less body tagos sa eardrums hahaha. Kung gusto mo ma-restore yung body sa piccolo tune down or salpakan mo ng mas makapal na heads.

[ZherVin12]

Two options: Single ply heads (Remo Ambassador or Evans G1), clear or coated depende sa panlasa mo, tuned medium to tight. Or, bili ka ng piccolo snare na steel, tapos salpakan mo ng 2 ply heads, tuned tight (pwede rin single ply, mas hataw yun pero baka masyado mala-timbale ang tunog para sa taste mo).

Difference between the two: mas may boom yung wood snare (I'm just assuming this is what you have, ano nga ba meron ka?) pag hinataw mo nang todo yun ang tagos sa dibdib! yung piccolo naman puro crack, less body tagos sa eardrums hahaha. Kung gusto mo ma-restore yung body sa piccolo tune down or salpakan mo ng mas makapal na heads.

Salamat sir. Btw, birch yung snare ko and I want to achieve that kind of sound.

[harugrugrug]

Don't muffle or little muffling would help.kasi pag ubod ng muffle it would be choked
And will not project that much and wear earplugs while playing with mr guitar guy.

[sonicassault]

Don't muffle or little muffling would help.kasi pag ubod ng muffle it would be choked
And will not project that much and wear earplugs while playing with mr guitar guy.

+1 on the earplugs! shameless plug pa rin yung Mack's Hearplugs 

[Ralph_Petrucci]

get thinner heads. and kung 2 amps yung guitar guy niyo, sabihin mo sakanya bawas siya ng mids or highs para magkaron ka ng room for your snare. Birch snares are bright sounding. your frequencies are clashing with the guitar already most prob.

My advice is the same. remo ambassador ka na with less or no muffling at all. you'll need all the overtone to cut through. ahahaha

[inigo]

To add to projection, make sure your bottom heads are good (get Ambassadors) and tuned high and higher than your top head. Projection through bottom heads are not apparent when you're sitting on your drum throne, but the big difference is heard from the audience perspective.

Using wide snare wires will also help increase snare presence. Get one with 30-strands.

[harugrugrug]

To add to projection, make sure your bottom heads are good (get Ambassadors) and tuned high and higher than your top head. Projection through bottom heads are not apparent when you're sitting on your drum throne, but the big difference is heard from the audience perspective.

Using wide snare wires will also help increase snare presence. Get one with 30-strands.

wow ill check this method,thanks for the share! 

[9_spiral]

Gusto ko sir yung bright and loud to compliment my guitar player who usually uses 2 amps for his guitar. Yung tipong tumatagos sa dibdib. Hehehe. What can you suggest sir? 

I use Aquarian Hi-Energy (tight tension) over Evans Hazy 300 and installed Puresound Blasters 20 strands on my 13x7 G-maple snare. Aquarian Hi-energy is a single ply drumhead that has a patch in the middle. Nakakatulong siya magtanggal ng konting overtones and adds durability din. My snare is now brighter, "poppier", and louder. Make sure you wear earplugs when playing.

[jviado]

Sir matanong ko lang. Ano pinagkaiba ng thinner at thicker reso snare head? Evans Hazy 200(2-mil), Evans Hazy 300(3-mil), Evans Hazy 500(5-mil)?
Currently using Ambassador Hazy(3-mil) since production bali mga 9 years na. HAHAHAHAHA!!  Iniisip ko kung mag Hazy 500 ako or Hazy 300 parin.
Gusto ko mag tunog dark and dry pero halatang kahoy parin yung tunog. Mag EC1 Reverse Dot(14-mil) Batter ako. Sa reso mas okay ba mag 5-mil reso ako o stick to 3-mil reso? Thanks!!