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Offline skunkyfunk

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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2009, 11:19:48 AM »
Errrr... Not to ruin the topic but what would be the best tubes when it comes to pedals? I have 2 Vox Cooltrons and I have plans on changing the tubes, what would guys recommend? :mrgreen:

Is it a starved-plate design or is the tube part of the gain circuit?

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2009, 05:09:40 PM »
12ax7 reviews I collected. . .


Review Notes
Guitar Amp Tube Reviews written by John Templeton.
The tubes used in this review were selected at random from thetubestore.com's inventory of untested tubes. For each tube used in the test, two were taken since there was no pre-screening involved. The aim was to get a sample that would be practical to work with but allow for variations in the tubes or prevent picking the only dud in a lot.

The test amplifiers used were very different. One was a 100-watt Trace Elliot Speed King with 4 x 12 cabinet, and the other was a Fender Blues Junior combo amp. This allows the high power, high gain crowd and the more conservative players to get the fairest evaluation possible. Some tubes were clearly better suited in one application or usable in both. All tubes were used at the input amplifier stage of the amp since this seems to be where most people develop their perceptions of how good a pre-amp tube is.


The musical detail or ability to reproduce the sound of the instrument is a key factor in assessing a tube for guitar amplifiers. There is no perfect tube available. Each one has strengths, weaknesses and certain factors that contribute to its overall ratings. Usually a compromise is arrived at in the search for premium tone.

All tubes will exhibit some degree of microphonics. Microphonics do not mean that a tube is unusable. You just have to screen them a little closer and determine where they are best suited for use. Input pre-amps are the most sensitive areas of the amplifier. When used in this application most tubes will generate some noise if you tap on them with a pencil during operation. Keep in mind that doing so can actually damage the tube and make it more microphonic or cause it to fail if you hit it real hard. Although they are screened prior to shipment a tube is an electromechanical device and can be damaged during shipment. A microphonic tube will ring, howl or produce general feedback problems. It will be more noticeable at louder volumes or when used in close proximity to a speaker, typically in combo amps. If the tube has good tone at lower volumes and is free from unwanted noise, you use it in a less sensitive part of the circuit, such as tone recovery or phase inverter applications.

Noise is more of a problem than microphonics. A noisy tube will make random popping noises, crackle occasionally or just hum. All tubes have a certain noise floor; this is the inherent background noise that the tube makes in operation. Typically, you will notice this as a soft hiss or "white noise". Tubes designed for high gain can exhibit more background noise. Other components can cause noise problems that may be blamed on a bad tube. Plate resistors are notorious for causing hiss and crackling as they age and begin to fail. A new tube may better amplify these defects, so try substituting another new tube to be sure of the source of the noise.




12AX7 comparison at a glance
Rated 0 - 5 where 0 is Unacceptable and 5 is Excellent
 

Manufacturer            Model                Microphonics         Noise(Hiss, Pop, Hum)         Musical Detail and Dynamics
Tung-Sol                   12AX7                    5                               4                                        5
Mullard Reissue      12AX7                    5                               5                                        4
Electro-Harmonix      12AX7                    5                               3                                        4
Sovtek                12AX7-W                 5                               2                                        2
Sovtek                12AX7-WB                5                                2                                        2
Sovtek                12AX7-LPS       3                               4                                        5
Sovtek                    5751                    2                               5                                        4
JAN-Philips       5751                    5                               5                                        4
JAN-Philips   12AX7-WA       4                               4                                        5
Tesla / JJ             12AX7 / ECC83-S       3                               4                                        4
Ei              12AX7 / ECC83   2 and 4                               5                                        5



The Complete Reviews

Tung-Sol 12AX7 - There are only so many ways to describe tube tone and most have become cliches. The Tung-Sol 12AX7 has the gain and drive of a Chinese 12AX7 and the pure tone of a Mullard or Brimar from the U.K. I've had two people come to me recently with amps they thought were in need of complete overhauls. In both cases, careful examination revealed no serious problems and all the tubes "tested" as good. At the end of the day, I replaced the NOS Mullard and RCA pre-amps (one in each amp) with a reissue Tung-Sol 12AX7. In both cases the owners were very impressed and thought that their amps had been restored to full health. Believe it or Not.


Mullard 12AX7 / ECC83 Reissue - This is a nice tube but in my opinion better suited to home audio than guitar amps. The tubes have well balanced triode pairs and a very even flat response. Compared to a Tung Sol it sounds a bit flat, but so does a NOS Mullard. Microphonics are not an issue despite the larger that average plate structure. The transconductance on my sample was the same as two NOS samples I measured. Not really high gain at all, but a real good noise floor and a nice smooth tone that doesn’t encourage ear fatigue the way some preamps can be. The Tung-Sol 12AX7 is my favorite preamp for guitars because it accentuates highs and lows. The Mullard adds virtually no tone coloring and is smoother sounding to my ear that a JJ ECC83S. For hi-fi gear the Mullard will likely be a winner but there are better choices for guitar amps for less money.


Electro-Harmonix 12AX7 - These are not relabelled Sovtek 12AX7-LPS tubes. There is a marked difference in construction and performance. The 12AX7 EH has a nice balanced sound, fairly low noise floor and excellent performance in terms of microphonics. The lack of microphonics may be in part from the return of the shorter plate structure or materials.
I've had some samples that were tried in various amp stages. Pre-amps, tone stacks and phase inverters, a winner in every location, although I like to use a 12AT7 for reverb circuit drivers due to their lower gain rating (just a personal preference of mine).
I have used the EH to successfully tame amps that defied all other attempts to kill microphonics and unwanted feedback. This tube is a winner, buy 'em and try 'em, they may be just the piece you've been looking for.


Sovtek 12AX7-WA, 12AX7-WB - I've grouped these two together because they have essentially the same sound. The only noticeable difference between the two was a bit more gain from the WB model. These tubes are rugged little brutes, and that's probably why they are OEM components for many major amp makers. Both tubes could be whacked with a stick at full volume and not show much in the way of microphonics - but DON'T DO THIS AT HOME, as it is often a destructive test for tubes. They don't have the best sound in this type, being prone to the occasional pop or tick. The sound quality lacked any real character but was acceptable. If the budget is tight, their affordability will be attractive. Also, keep in mind that many amp designers design the equipment to sound best with the tubes they will use in production. I have a friend that claims his amp only sounds right using Chinese pre-amp tubes, but your mileage may vary on this issue. If you like the Sovteks then go for it, particularly if you will use them in high gain applications with lots of effects.


Sovtek 12AX7-LPS - This is an entirely new design from Sovtek and a great step up in sound quality. They have very large ribbed plates and great sound reproduction. I found them very smooth and well balanced in terms of bass, mids and treble response. The large plates make them more prone to microphonics and in combo amps, so they can be a problem if you like to run things wide open. It is still the best thing Sovtek has produced in a 12AX7, with very good gain and low noise. I would advise against using them in compact high-powered combo amps where they will be subjected to lots of vibration. One other note about the construction of these tubes is they have filaments that are almost completely encased in the plate structure. They often don't "light up" when working properly. This is not a problem, it's normal for the LPS.



Sovtek 5751- The Sovtek 5751 is an affordable alternative to the 12AY7 used in original Fender tweed amps and can be subbed for a 12AT7 reverb driver tube. In this application, you will get good gain with a warmer sound than the 12AT7. The even balancing makes them a nice phase inverter and allows you push the front end of the amp a little harder. If you wish to use a 5751 in a 12AX7 position to reduce gain we recommend you use the JAN-Philips 5751 tube.


JAN-Philips 12AX7WA - If you really want NOS (New Old Stock) tubes, this is one of the best buys out there. The Philips tube is well built and should be long lasting. The tubes I tested had lots of gain while still maintaining very good noise levels and good tolerance for microphonics. The tone was solid in the midrange with very wide dynamic response. If you're not careful with your setup, you can get these tubes to be boomy in the bottom end and shrill in the high end. I found that they were great with the tone controls set flat. Great in both combo amps and monster stacks.


JAN-Philips 5751 - Now here’s a surprise, and a good one at that. The 5751 is typically referred to as “the lower gain” 12AX7. The fact is they are just dual triodes with the same pin-out as others in the 12AX7 family. This particular batch of NOS 5751 fails to perform as most 5751 tubes. It’s not lower gain, it’s not darker. These JAN-Philips 5751 tubes are one of the best dual triode tubes I’ve ever heard. They have nearly 12AX7 gain, extremely low noise, and frequency response that covers any audio application. They sound good in everything I’ve tried them in but particularly shine in single ended, simple amp circuits. Good examples would be a Fender Champ, tweed Princeton, Gibson GA-5 or any amp that has a preamp, power tube and rectifier. One of the best deals available in an NOS 12AX7, is actually a 5751!


Tesla / JJ 12AX7 / ECC83-S - This tube sports a different plate design than found in most 12AX7's. When you look at them you can't help but think that they must be rugged and good for the musician on the road. The compact plate structure does nothing to dampen their sound or dynamic response. I find them to be well balanced. While not as harmonically rich as others I tested, they do provide high gain without the usual noise and microphonic problems you would expect. This is great sound for your dollar. If you're using a combo amp and find the Philips a little rich sounding, the JJ ECC83 may be your solution.


Ei 12AX7 - This tube should win an award for best and worst in class. The first one I tried squealed in the combo amp and produced a ringing sound in the half-stack. (Remember these were not from the pre-screened tubes that thetubestore.com sells.) The second one I tried was fantastic. There were no microphonics problems with this second tube. The scores for microphonics (2 and 4) are for each individual tube that was tested. A few phone calls to another tech confirmed my suspicion: there is a high failure rate when initially screening these tubes for microphonics. The ones that do pass testing are wonderful; they are very musical sounding with lots of gain and a very low noise floor. When playing the guitar you could really get the benefit of their dynamic range. They can reproduce soft passages accentuated with a sharp punch and you don't have to go near the volume controls. I'm keeping the test tube for some long term testing. These would be great tubes for home audio applications. Due to the microphonics problem, I'm unsure as to their roadworthiness. At home or in the studio, they will deliver great results. The only caveats are; make sure they are carefully screened and don't think about using them in high gain combo's unless they are tested in a similar amp first.

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Offline pitongjerome

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Re: The Ultimate Philmusic GC TUBE REVIEW thread.
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2009, 05:17:23 PM »
Yup, little but I'd compare it to having a fresh change in strings.  It is that inspiring.

agree sa string change. before naka ernie ball ako, nagsawa ako nag d addario ako. nagustohan ko ang change. nung nag ghs ako, and natry ko, nalaman ko agad na ghs is my thing
I have stated that there are more bad sounding suhrs then there are good ones

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Re: The Ultimate Philmusic GC TUBE REVIEW thread.
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2009, 06:12:18 AM »
Is it a starved-plate design or is the tube part of the gain circuit?

I think its a starved plate but Im really not sure.

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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2009, 08:09:50 AM »
AFAIK starved-plate design ang cooltron line ng Vox...
« Last Edit: October 06, 2009, 08:10:51 AM by tackielarla »
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Re: The Ultimate Philmusic GC TUBE REVIEW thread.
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2009, 10:04:11 AM »
12ax7 reviews I collected. . .


Review Notes
Guitar Amp Tube Reviews written by John Templeton.
The tubes used in this review were selected at random from thetubestore.com's inventory of untested tubes. For each tube used in the test, two were taken since there was no pre-screening involved. The aim was to get a sample that would be practical to work with but allow for variations in the tubes or prevent picking the only dud in a lot.

The test amplifiers used were very different. One was a 100-watt Trace Elliot Speed King with 4 x 12 cabinet, and the other was a Fender Blues Junior combo amp. This allows the high power, high gain crowd and the more conservative players to get the fairest evaluation possible. Some tubes were clearly better suited in one application or usable in both. All tubes were used at the input amplifier stage of the amp since this seems to be where most people develop their perceptions of how good a pre-amp tube is.


The musical detail or ability to reproduce the sound of the instrument is a key factor in assessing a tube for guitar amplifiers. There is no perfect tube available. Each one has strengths, weaknesses and certain factors that contribute to its overall ratings. Usually a compromise is arrived at in the search for premium tone.

All tubes will exhibit some degree of microphonics. Microphonics do not mean that a tube is unusable. You just have to screen them a little closer and determine where they are best suited for use. Input pre-amps are the most sensitive areas of the amplifier. When used in this application most tubes will generate some noise if you tap on them with a pencil during operation. Keep in mind that doing so can actually damage the tube and make it more microphonic or cause it to fail if you hit it real hard. Although they are screened prior to shipment a tube is an electromechanical device and can be damaged during shipment. A microphonic tube will ring, howl or produce general feedback problems. It will be more noticeable at louder volumes or when used in close proximity to a speaker, typically in combo amps. If the tube has good tone at lower volumes and is free from unwanted noise, you use it in a less sensitive part of the circuit, such as tone recovery or phase inverter applications.

Noise is more of a problem than microphonics. A noisy tube will make random popping noises, crackle occasionally or just hum. All tubes have a certain noise floor; this is the inherent background noise that the tube makes in operation. Typically, you will notice this as a soft hiss or "white noise". Tubes designed for high gain can exhibit more background noise. Other components can cause noise problems that may be blamed on a bad tube. Plate resistors are notorious for causing hiss and crackling as they age and begin to fail. A new tube may better amplify these defects, so try substituting another new tube to be sure of the source of the noise.




12AX7 comparison at a glance
Rated 0 - 5 where 0 is Unacceptable and 5 is Excellent
 

Manufacturer            Model                Microphonics         Noise(Hiss, Pop, Hum)         Musical Detail and Dynamics
Tung-Sol                   12AX7                    5                               4                                        5
Mullard Reissue      12AX7                    5                               5                                        4
Electro-Harmonix      12AX7                    5                               3                                        4
Sovtek                12AX7-W                 5                               2                                        2
Sovtek                12AX7-WB                5                                2                                        2
Sovtek                12AX7-LPS       3                               4                                        5
Sovtek                    5751                    2                               5                                        4
JAN-Philips       5751                    5                               5                                        4
JAN-Philips   12AX7-WA       4                               4                                        5
Tesla / JJ             12AX7 / ECC83-S       3                               4                                        4
Ei              12AX7 / ECC83   2 and 4                               5                                        5



The Complete Reviews

Tung-Sol 12AX7 - There are only so many ways to describe tube tone and most have become cliches. The Tung-Sol 12AX7 has the gain and drive of a Chinese 12AX7 and the pure tone of a Mullard or Brimar from the U.K. I've had two people come to me recently with amps they thought were in need of complete overhauls. In both cases, careful examination revealed no serious problems and all the tubes "tested" as good. At the end of the day, I replaced the NOS Mullard and RCA pre-amps (one in each amp) with a reissue Tung-Sol 12AX7. In both cases the owners were very impressed and thought that their amps had been restored to full health. Believe it or Not.


Mullard 12AX7 / ECC83 Reissue - This is a nice tube but in my opinion better suited to home audio than guitar amps. The tubes have well balanced triode pairs and a very even flat response. Compared to a Tung Sol it sounds a bit flat, but so does a NOS Mullard. Microphonics are not an issue despite the larger that average plate structure. The transconductance on my sample was the same as two NOS samples I measured. Not really high gain at all, but a real good noise floor and a nice smooth tone that doesn’t encourage ear fatigue the way some preamps can be. The Tung-Sol 12AX7 is my favorite preamp for guitars because it accentuates highs and lows. The Mullard adds virtually no tone coloring and is smoother sounding to my ear that a JJ ECC83S. For hi-fi gear the Mullard will likely be a winner but there are better choices for guitar amps for less money.


Electro-Harmonix 12AX7 - These are not relabelled Sovtek 12AX7-LPS tubes. There is a marked difference in construction and performance. The 12AX7 EH has a nice balanced sound, fairly low noise floor and excellent performance in terms of microphonics. The lack of microphonics may be in part from the return of the shorter plate structure or materials.
I've had some samples that were tried in various amp stages. Pre-amps, tone stacks and phase inverters, a winner in every location, although I like to use a 12AT7 for reverb circuit drivers due to their lower gain rating (just a personal preference of mine).
I have used the EH to successfully tame amps that defied all other attempts to kill microphonics and unwanted feedback. This tube is a winner, buy 'em and try 'em, they may be just the piece you've been looking for.


Sovtek 12AX7-WA, 12AX7-WB - I've grouped these two together because they have essentially the same sound. The only noticeable difference between the two was a bit more gain from the WB model. These tubes are rugged little brutes, and that's probably why they are OEM components for many major amp makers. Both tubes could be whacked with a stick at full volume and not show much in the way of microphonics - but DON'T DO THIS AT HOME, as it is often a destructive test for tubes. They don't have the best sound in this type, being prone to the occasional pop or tick. The sound quality lacked any real character but was acceptable. If the budget is tight, their affordability will be attractive. Also, keep in mind that many amp designers design the equipment to sound best with the tubes they will use in production. I have a friend that claims his amp only sounds right using Chinese pre-amp tubes, but your mileage may vary on this issue. If you like the Sovteks then go for it, particularly if you will use them in high gain applications with lots of effects.


Sovtek 12AX7-LPS - This is an entirely new design from Sovtek and a great step up in sound quality. They have very large ribbed plates and great sound reproduction. I found them very smooth and well balanced in terms of bass, mids and treble response. The large plates make them more prone to microphonics and in combo amps, so they can be a problem if you like to run things wide open. It is still the best thing Sovtek has produced in a 12AX7, with very good gain and low noise. I would advise against using them in compact high-powered combo amps where they will be subjected to lots of vibration. One other note about the construction of these tubes is they have filaments that are almost completely encased in the plate structure. They often don't "light up" when working properly. This is not a problem, it's normal for the LPS.



Sovtek 5751- The Sovtek 5751 is an affordable alternative to the 12AY7 used in original Fender tweed amps and can be subbed for a 12AT7 reverb driver tube. In this application, you will get good gain with a warmer sound than the 12AT7. The even balancing makes them a nice phase inverter and allows you push the front end of the amp a little harder. If you wish to use a 5751 in a 12AX7 position to reduce gain we recommend you use the JAN-Philips 5751 tube.


JAN-Philips 12AX7WA - If you really want NOS (New Old Stock) tubes, this is one of the best buys out there. The Philips tube is well built and should be long lasting. The tubes I tested had lots of gain while still maintaining very good noise levels and good tolerance for microphonics. The tone was solid in the midrange with very wide dynamic response. If you're not careful with your setup, you can get these tubes to be boomy in the bottom end and shrill in the high end. I found that they were great with the tone controls set flat. Great in both combo amps and monster stacks.


JAN-Philips 5751 - Now here’s a surprise, and a good one at that. The 5751 is typically referred to as “the lower gain” 12AX7. The fact is they are just dual triodes with the same pin-out as others in the 12AX7 family. This particular batch of NOS 5751 fails to perform as most 5751 tubes. It’s not lower gain, it’s not darker. These JAN-Philips 5751 tubes are one of the best dual triode tubes I’ve ever heard. They have nearly 12AX7 gain, extremely low noise, and frequency response that covers any audio application. They sound good in everything I’ve tried them in but particularly shine in single ended, simple amp circuits. Good examples would be a Fender Champ, tweed Princeton, Gibson GA-5 or any amp that has a preamp, power tube and rectifier. One of the best deals available in an NOS 12AX7, is actually a 5751!


Tesla / JJ 12AX7 / ECC83-S - This tube sports a different plate design than found in most 12AX7's. When you look at them you can't help but think that they must be rugged and good for the musician on the road. The compact plate structure does nothing to dampen their sound or dynamic response. I find them to be well balanced. While not as harmonically rich as others I tested, they do provide high gain without the usual noise and microphonic problems you would expect. This is great sound for your dollar. If you're using a combo amp and find the Philips a little rich sounding, the JJ ECC83 may be your solution.


Ei 12AX7 - This tube should win an award for best and worst in class. The first one I tried squealed in the combo amp and produced a ringing sound in the half-stack. (Remember these were not from the pre-screened tubes that thetubestore.com sells.) The second one I tried was fantastic. There were no microphonics problems with this second tube. The scores for microphonics (2 and 4) are for each individual tube that was tested. A few phone calls to another tech confirmed my suspicion: there is a high failure rate when initially screening these tubes for microphonics. The ones that do pass testing are wonderful; they are very musical sounding with lots of gain and a very low noise floor. When playing the guitar you could really get the benefit of their dynamic range. They can reproduce soft passages accentuated with a sharp punch and you don't have to go near the volume controls. I'm keeping the test tube for some long term testing. These would be great tubes for home audio applications. Due to the microphonics problem, I'm unsure as to their roadworthiness. At home or in the studio, they will deliver great results. The only caveats are; make sure they are carefully screened and don't think about using them in high gain combo's unless they are tested in a similar amp first.

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nice, but I hope more folks can post their PERSONAL experiences.  Tubes are very picky with different amps.

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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2009, 01:55:25 PM »
really expecting that :| :| anyway PEACE! :-D :-D :-D

nice thread!

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« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2009, 02:50:33 PM »
Personal experience.

Rubys EL34 BSTR   sounds amazing compared to JJ and EH... tried it in a Carvin Legacy and Master Series.

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« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2009, 08:41:52 AM »
well, it seems i can't find my tube tone review log/matrix. i'll have to do this from memory.

otoh, it would be nice to have a tube rolling/tone party. our own ears are still the best judge and other people's reviews are just inputs that can help guide others in their own search.

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« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2009, 02:56:27 PM »
sa mga nag-tube reviews, in your experience ano ang ma-recommend niyong bright 12AX7?
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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2009, 06:32:05 PM »
sa mga nag-tube reviews, in your experience ano ang ma-recommend niyong bright 12AX7?

if your amp has lots of bass and you want to improve the mids and highs, i suggest the GT-12AX7-R. I would sometimes place a sovtek 12ax7wa in v1, followed by a gt-12ax7r in v2 and 12axtwb in v3 for that rounded clean sound.

pero kung clean, chimey and low gain ang target mo then try the 12ay7
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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2009, 07:26:56 PM »
meron akong 12ay7, same tayo ng opinion about it kaso yun nga, low gain siya. ang hanap ko sana same gain as 12AX7, pero bright and tight.

i've read that Chinese 12Ax7s are bright. totoo ba? san kaya meron nun dito?
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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2009, 08:38:24 PM »
ahhhhhhhhhh,tube gas
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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2009, 01:46:33 AM »
anyone tried mixing different preamp tubes?   i have 4 stock 12AX7 on mine but want to experiment.

Im looking for a cleaner/clearer sounding on clean channel and has a good "headroom" for gain on my dsl. Read the marshall thread but they have 45 pages of pure awesomeness and im too lazy to scan.lol


still don't know if i should buy new or get some NOS. argh

tips and recommendations will be appreciated. thanks!



btw,im leaning towards putting 2 12AT7s and 2 GEs.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2009, 02:15:50 AM »
12ax7 reviews I collected. . .




Sovtek 5751- The Sovtek 5751 is an affordable alternative to the 12AY7 used in original Fender tweed amps and can be subbed for a 12AT7 reverb driver tube. In this application, you will get good gain with a warmer sound than the 12AT7. The even balancing makes them a nice phase inverter and allows you push the front end of the amp a little harder. If you wish to use a 5751 in a 12AX7 position to reduce gain we recommend you use the JAN-Philips 5751 tube.


JAN-Philips 12AX7WA - If you really want NOS (New Old Stock) tubes, this is one of the best buys out there. The Philips tube is well built and should be long lasting. The tubes I tested had lots of gain while still maintaining very good noise levels and good tolerance for microphonics. The tone was solid in the midrange with very wide dynamic response. If you're not careful with your setup, you can get these tubes to be boomy in the bottom end and shrill in the high end. I found that they were great with the tone controls set flat. Great in both combo amps and monster stacks.


JAN-Philips 5751 - Now here’s a surprise, and a good one at that. The 5751 is typically referred to as “the lower gain” 12AX7. The fact is they are just dual triodes with the same pin-out as others in the 12AX7 family. This particular batch of NOS 5751 fails to perform as most 5751 tubes. It’s not lower gain, it’s not darker. These JAN-Philips 5751 tubes are one of the best dual triode tubes I’ve ever heard. They have nearly 12AX7 gain, extremely low noise, and frequency response that covers any audio application. They sound good in everything I’ve tried them in but particularly shine in single ended, simple amp circuits. Good examples would be a Fender Champ, tweed Princeton, Gibson GA-5 or any amp that has a preamp, power tube and rectifier. One of the best deals available in an NOS 12AX7, is actually a 5751!






cool!thanks a lot
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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2009, 06:39:04 AM »
Nice thread! According to my research din based on other people's reviews, the best 12ax7 tube daw is tung sol (of course it still boils down to an individual's preference). Where can I get one here in Manila? Tried going to Audiophile and Kinetic in Rob pioneer, wala raw silang stock. Sa PJC kaya, or anywhere else?
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2009, 01:49:11 PM »
Nice thread! According to my research din based on other people's reviews, the best 12ax7 tube daw is tung sol (of course it still boils down to an individual's preference). Where can I get one here in Manila? Tried going to Audiophile and Kinetic in Rob pioneer, wala raw silang stock. Sa PJC kaya, or anywhere else?

try Watson Electronic center. .  533 F torres st Sta cruz Mla. .  Tel#736-9641, 733-0402. .

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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2009, 02:30:33 PM »
12AX7/5751

i'll do my review in installments na lang. i'll start w/ 12ax7/5751s.  note that these were tested on a Fender Bassman amp and a THD Univalve and based on memory and random notes in my tube inventory list!

GE JAN 12AX7WA - soft top end, never piercing. but might not 'cut it' for Tele freaks.
Electro Harmonix 12AX7EH - strong but not really outstanding. they're a little muddy, not as clear as the US NOS tubes. they are ok for general replacements tho.
Electro Harmonix 5751 - same as above.
Philips JAN   5751 - nice eq balance. they have a nice character associated w/ that classic American/BF tone: balanced, glassy, punchy, clear
RCA   5751 bp - smooth but strong. i think these should be given credit for giving the 59 Bassman it's classic sound.
GE/RCA 12AX7 - same as above.
Sovtek 12AX7WA - ugh! muddy muddy muddy. all over the place when cranked. use for troubleshooting only!
GE JAN (Blackplate, triple mica) 5751 - classic 'American' sound but probably a little more mid-cut.
GE JAN (Blackplate, double mica) 5751 - same as above
Sylvania JAN 5751 (Gold Brand) - i had higher hopes for these but they were just ok. parang bland. nothing to write home about.
GE/RCA (Greyplate, triple mica)   5751 - again, classic 'American' sound.

more recently i got to try 9th Gen Chinese and Tung Sols (with an SFPR and Classic 30). both are very good -- glassy, clear, balanced. i'd say these are the best current production 12ax7s right now. i'm buying more of em soon since i got my SFPR back now.

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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2009, 02:43:06 PM »
more to come... below is what was included on my tube stash dati. i still have some of them. but i'm not sure if this is a complete or accurate inventory tho. it's mostly what i decided to sell/dispose.

GE JAN   12AX7WA
Sylvania JAN   5751 (Gold Brand)
GE JAN   12AT7WC
Philips ECG JAN   12AT7WC
GE JAN (Blackplate, triple mica)   5751
GE JAN (Blackplate, double mica)   5751
Electro Harmonix   5751
Philips JAN   5751
RCA   5751 bp
Electro Harmonix   6550 ST-shape
GE (RCA brand)   6550A
Svetlana   6550C
JJ   12AU7
GE   5814A
Philips ECG   5814A
Ei   ECC83 (nickel plate)
Sovtek   5751
Electro Harmonix   12AT7
Mullard   CV4024/12AT7
Tung Sol   12AV7
GE/RCA (Greyplate, triple mica)   5751
RFT (E. German)   12AT7/ECC81
JJ   12AT7
Sylvania   12AY7
RCA (GE made)   12AY7
GE/RCA   12AX7
Electro Harmonix   12AX7EH
Philips   6189
Westinghouse   6189
GE   12AU7A
Philips ECG JAN   12AU7A
RCA clear top   12AU7A
Sylvania   12AU7A
Electro Harmonix   12AU7
Sovtek   12AX7WA
Electro Harmonix   12AY7
GE JAN   12AY7/6027A
RCA   12AZ7
GE/Sylvania   12AV7
GE/CBS/Hytron   12AZ7
Raytheon   12AZ7N
Sylvania   12AZ7A
Raytheon   12BH7
Sylvania   12AZ7
Tung Sol   12AZ7
JJ   12DW7
Mullard   12BH7 bp
Ei Yugo   12BH7A
Philco/Sylvania/GE   12BH7A
RCA/TS/GE/West/Hytron   12BZ7
Sylvania   6BQ5
GE   12DW7
RCA   12DW7
Sylvania   12DW7
RCA   6BQ5
Westinghouse   6BQ5
Philips JAN   6BQ5
Amperex Bugle Boy   6BQ5
GE   6BQ5
Mazda   6BQ5
Telefunken   6BQ5
Sovtek   EL84M
Ei   6BQ5
JJ   6BQ5
Sovtek   EL84
Westinghouse Canada   6F6G
Raytheon   6K6GT
Westinghouse   6K6GT
Tung-Sol   6K6GT
RCA   6K6GT
Sylvania/N.U.(?)   6F6G
Raytheon/Sylvania   6Y6G
US brands   6F6 (metal tube)
Sylvania   6K6GT
GE   5881
Tungsram/RCA   6Y6GA
US brands   6DG6GT
US brands   6W6GT
GE   6V6
Visseaux   6V6/GT
Standard   6V6GTY
RCA   6V6G ( bb gg)
RCA   6V6GT bp, gg
RCA   6V6
Anon (used)   6V6GT/A
Brimar   6V6GT
Hytron JAN   6V6GT
Ken Rad   6V6GT
Philips/Sylvania   6V6GT
Radiotron AWV   6V6GT
Westinghouse (Marconi)   6V6GT
RCA   6V6GT bp
GE   6V6GT bp gg
GE   6V6GTA
GE   6V6GTY
Sylvania JAN   6V6GTA/Y
RCA   6V6GTA/Y bp cg
Valve Art (China)   350B
Valve Art (China)   6L6G (ST-shape)
National   6L6GC
Zaer   6L6GC
Sylvania   6L6GC
JJ   6L6GC
Philips ECG/Sylvania   7581A
Shuguang   KT66
GE (used)   7581A
RCA   6L6GC bp
GE (used)   6L6G
RCA   5881
Tung Sol   5881
Visseaux   6L6G
Sovtek   6L6WGC/5881
Sovtek   KT66/6L6WXT+
Philips/Sylvania (US brands)   6L6GA/GB (ST-shape)
GEC   KT66
Mazda   6V6GT (greyglass)
Sylvania   STR 6L6GC (STR-387)
Electro Harmonix   6V6
Penta Labs (early US)   6V6G (gg)
NEC (Japan for RCA)   6V6GT
Sylvania   6V6GT
GE   6V6GTA cg coin-base
Sylvania   6CA7
Siemens/RFT (National/Richardson box)   6CA7
National Electronics (Germany)   6CA7
Ei (Magnoval box)   6CA7 fat bottle, nipple top
Electro Harmonix   EL34
Radiotron (Canada)   5881
RFT/Siemens   EL34
Sylvania JAN   6L6WGB
Svetlana   EL34
Sovtek   KT88
NEC (RCA copy)   6L6GC
GE   6L6GC
Amperex   EL34
Ruby/Shuguang   STR-EL34B
Tesla   E34LR/S (blue/red)
RCA   6CA7/EL34
Pope (Philips/Mullard)   EL34
Ramington   EL34
Sovtek   EL34WXT
Mullard   EL34
JJ   EL34
Svetlana   KT88
Ei   EL34 skinny nipple top
JJ   KT88 (Blue)
Shuaguang   KT88 (ST-shape)
Ei-Yugo   KT90 (type 3)
JJ/Tesla   E34L (blue/red)
Tung Sol   6550 (ST-shape)
Amperex   6550
Philips   Philips ECG
Ruby STR-6550   6550 ST-shape?
Sovtek   6550WE
Shuguang   6L6GC
Svetlana   6L6GC
GEC Replica   KT88
Tesla   KT88S
Electro Harmonix   KT88
Electro Harmonix   6L6GC
Philips ECG JAN   6L6WGB
Toshiba   6V6GT
Trigon (Russian for UK?)   6V6GT (blackglass)
China (Valve Arts?)   KT100
Raytheon   6V6GT/G/Y
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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2009, 03:41:40 PM »
^^ WOW. :-o Sana mahanap niyo yung notes niyo sir Delta. Grabe na treasure trove of info yan.

TAD 6L6GC-STR: Excellent warmth, much softer than even a matched pair of JJs that I tried. Gives notes a very pleasing roundness without mushing out. Breakup is gradual and smooth. It does exhibit that weird blue glow at times when the amp is moved from Standby to On, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the sound, and a lot of learned tube experts say it's nothing to be worried about.

AMP: Fender Blues Deville (original, not RI)
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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2009, 09:40:17 PM »
very nice!
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2009, 10:46:32 PM »
very nice!

oh hai. lol



for my current amp - Sovtek Mig 50 - JJ's 6L6 tubes. and JJ's 12 ax7's.
For my legacy before - Phil was really kind to have sold me the amp with Ruby's EL34's.  :-D
I shouldn't have sold that amp.  :cry: :cry: :cry:
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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2009, 01:08:28 AM »
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oh hai. lol
<3
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for my current amp - Sovtek Mig 50 - JJ's 6L6 tubes. and JJ's 12 ax7's.
For my legacy before - Phil was really kind to have sold me the amp with Ruby's EL34's.  :-D
I shouldn't have sold that amp.  :cry: :cry: :cry:
which amp do you play now?
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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2009, 09:57:29 AM »
<3
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which amp do you play now?

meh.  :-D. mig 50. i sold the legacy.

for my current amp - Sovtek Mig 50 - JJ's 6L6 tubes. and JJ's 12 ax7's.
For my legacy before - Phil was really kind to have sold me the amp with Ruby's EL34's.  :-D
I shouldn't have sold that amp:cry: :cry: :cry:
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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2009, 11:56:11 AM »
more to come... below is what was included on my tube stash dati. i still have some of them. but i'm not sure if this is a complete or accurate inventory tho. it's mostly what i decided to sell/dispose.

GE JAN   12AX7WA
Sylvania JAN   5751 (Gold Brand)
GE JAN   12AT7WC
Philips ECG JAN   12AT7WC
GE JAN (Blackplate, triple mica)   5751
GE JAN (Blackplate, double mica)   5751
Electro Harmonix   5751
Philips JAN   5751
RCA   5751 bp
Electro Harmonix   6550 ST-shape
GE (RCA brand)   6550A
Svetlana   6550C
JJ   12AU7
GE   5814A
Philips ECG   5814A
Ei   ECC83 (nickel plate)
Sovtek   5751
Electro Harmonix   12AT7
Mullard   CV4024/12AT7
Tung Sol   12AV7
GE/RCA (Greyplate, triple mica)   5751
RFT (E. German)   12AT7/ECC81
JJ   12AT7
Sylvania   12AY7
RCA (GE made)   12AY7
GE/RCA   12AX7
Electro Harmonix   12AX7EH
Philips   6189
Westinghouse   6189
GE   12AU7A
Philips ECG JAN   12AU7A
RCA clear top   12AU7A
Sylvania   12AU7A
Electro Harmonix   12AU7
Sovtek   12AX7WA
Electro Harmonix   12AY7
GE JAN   12AY7/6027A
RCA   12AZ7
GE/Sylvania   12AV7
GE/CBS/Hytron   12AZ7
Raytheon   12AZ7N
Sylvania   12AZ7A
Raytheon   12BH7
Sylvania   12AZ7
Tung Sol   12AZ7
JJ   12DW7
Mullard   12BH7 bp
Ei Yugo   12BH7A
Philco/Sylvania/GE   12BH7A
RCA/TS/GE/West/Hytron   12BZ7
Sylvania   6BQ5
GE   12DW7
RCA   12DW7
Sylvania   12DW7
RCA   6BQ5
Westinghouse   6BQ5
Philips JAN   6BQ5
Amperex Bugle Boy   6BQ5
GE   6BQ5
Mazda   6BQ5
Telefunken   6BQ5
Sovtek   EL84M
Ei   6BQ5
JJ   6BQ5
Sovtek   EL84
Westinghouse Canada   6F6G
Raytheon   6K6GT
Westinghouse   6K6GT
Tung-Sol   6K6GT
RCA   6K6GT
Sylvania/N.U.(?)   6F6G
Raytheon/Sylvania   6Y6G
US brands   6F6 (metal tube)
Sylvania   6K6GT
GE   5881
Tungsram/RCA   6Y6GA
US brands   6DG6GT
US brands   6W6GT
GE   6V6
Visseaux   6V6/GT
Standard   6V6GTY
RCA   6V6G ( bb gg)
RCA   6V6GT bp, gg
RCA   6V6
Anon (used)   6V6GT/A
Brimar   6V6GT
Hytron JAN   6V6GT
Ken Rad   6V6GT
Philips/Sylvania   6V6GT
Radiotron AWV   6V6GT
Westinghouse (Marconi)   6V6GT
RCA   6V6GT bp
GE   6V6GT bp gg
GE   6V6GTA
GE   6V6GTY
Sylvania JAN   6V6GTA/Y
RCA   6V6GTA/Y bp cg
Valve Art (China)   350B
Valve Art (China)   6L6G (ST-shape)
National   6L6GC
Zaer   6L6GC
Sylvania   6L6GC
JJ   6L6GC
Philips ECG/Sylvania   7581A
Shuguang   KT66
GE (used)   7581A
RCA   6L6GC bp
GE (used)   6L6G
RCA   5881
Tung Sol   5881
Visseaux   6L6G
Sovtek   6L6WGC/5881
Sovtek   KT66/6L6WXT+
Philips/Sylvania (US brands)   6L6GA/GB (ST-shape)
GEC   KT66
Mazda   6V6GT (greyglass)
Sylvania   STR 6L6GC (STR-387)
Electro Harmonix   6V6
Penta Labs (early US)   6V6G (gg)
NEC (Japan for RCA)   6V6GT
Sylvania   6V6GT
GE   6V6GTA cg coin-base
Sylvania   6CA7
Siemens/RFT (National/Richardson box)   6CA7
National Electronics (Germany)   6CA7
Ei (Magnoval box)   6CA7 fat bottle, nipple top
Electro Harmonix   EL34
Radiotron (Canada)   5881
RFT/Siemens   EL34
Sylvania JAN   6L6WGB
Svetlana   EL34
Sovtek   KT88
NEC (RCA copy)   6L6GC
GE   6L6GC
Amperex   EL34
Ruby/Shuguang   STR-EL34B
Tesla   E34LR/S (blue/red)
RCA   6CA7/EL34
Pope (Philips/Mullard)   EL34
Ramington   EL34
Sovtek   EL34WXT
Mullard   EL34
JJ   EL34
Svetlana   KT88
Ei   EL34 skinny nipple top
JJ   KT88 (Blue)
Shuaguang   KT88 (ST-shape)
Ei-Yugo   KT90 (type 3)
JJ/Tesla   E34L (blue/red)
Tung Sol   6550 (ST-shape)
Amperex   6550
Philips   Philips ECG
Ruby STR-6550   6550 ST-shape?
Sovtek   6550WE
Shuguang   6L6GC
Svetlana   6L6GC
GEC Replica   KT88
Tesla   KT88S
Electro Harmonix   KT88
Electro Harmonix   6L6GC
Philips ECG JAN   6L6WGB
Toshiba   6V6GT
Trigon (Russian for UK?)   6V6GT (blackglass)
China (Valve Arts?)   KT100
Raytheon   6V6GT/G/Y


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