Got 2 of the very the same model EP2500 which is an EP4000 rebadge and maybe with slightly higher power ....I think Behringer rated them sa peak power nila.....I'm sure na they're only about 520 watts/c or there about maybe less in 8 ohms...(QSC RMX 2050 knock off).tnks sir.. rebadge lang pala ito..
Depende sa gagamitan mo Pre, maraming Pro's and Con's if your only reading about them.
I would'nt recommend them for sub duties especially for a long period of time katulad sa ginagamitan sa atin...I know I use this amps on my 4 reflex sub driving 15" Eminence Kappas at 8 ohms each...ok lang sila but then again dito sa England most of the venues o hall here hindi ka naman pwede mag hataw talaga kaya ok lang.
They will clip early if push hard.
B0z Mants bag0 kami nagtry ng Cr0wn Lps2500, Behringer Ep2500 anG kinakabiT namin sa installati0ns. Wala pa kaming naginG sira at 0k anG 0utput nit0. :)tnks boz,,mukhang maganda lang ito na gagamitin pang mid ..
Per0 sa Ep4000 pweDe din panG sub per0 sa mga 600 wattS lang na 15 0r 18inches sa tingiN k0.
...Yung galing kami sa MB naidemo samin ang EP4000...pinang-drive sa MB378 dual12...malinis tumunog at na-compare namin sa QSC RMX 2450 at Crown LPS2500 pero mas malakas pa din ang EP4000...sa bass naman, pinang-drive sa dual 18 manifold subs at clamshell subs...ok din just about right ang lakas... :wink:ayos kung ganon sir,,,baka ok nga ito pang drive sa dual mid na ang speaker n gamit ay 300 or 500 watts rms..kahit made in china lang at least ito dumaan naman sa QC ng behringer , mas angat kaysa mga china brands ,,,
...Yung galing kami sa MB naidemo samin ang EP4000...pinang-drive sa MB378 dual12...malinis tumunog at na-compare namin sa QSC RMX 2450 at Crown LPS2500 pero mas malakas pa din ang EP4000...sa bass naman, pinang-drive sa dual 18 manifold subs at clamshell subs...ok din just about right ang lakas... :wink:
...Bossing Ermita ito na yata ang bagong specs ng EP4000 sabi din sa manual...pinakita din ng MB samin yan pero yung actual testing namin vs. QSC RMX2450 at Crown LPS2500, obvious ang lakas ng EP4000 sa dalawang models...kahit ipangdrive sa subs mas mabigat ang tunog ng EP4000...,, :wink:(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/Glennox_2010/specs.jpg)
Hi, thanks Boss Glennox, but if you look at the upper part it says Peak Power for both channels driven... :wink: (Sorry, but I always look at the amps and drivers at there rated power not there peak) :)
Have read loads of positive comments on the said amps and some negatives..But so far the one I've got EP2500 hasnt gave any real problems apart from the other one I bought secondhand which start to clip and get hot on one side at one ocassion while testing at home running only some 15" tops (probably a problem before I bought it) :-( but its been good after that running some 15" bass. A lot of guys here in England prefer the Berry EP over the QSC 2450 not only they are cheaper but QSC tends to have more problem than the Berry. :-o
Another one to consider is the Peavey PV2600 or KAM KXR2000 but maybe slightly more on the budget.
If the Berry EP amp or other amps use correctly cant see any reason why it should'nt work, but as bosing Jef2 said its better to give your amp some extra "headroom".
Got to remember also when the amp/s are being demo'ed you probably demo it at a moderate level or for a short period of time at full power...hataw lang ng sandali kasi its probably indoor at tsaka malakas na masyado sa loob. Got to think also na kung bibilhin isipin yung gagamitan mo talaga if the amp is capable of driving the driver/s, will it sustain using for a longer period of time I dont know mostly sigurado sa atin minimum of 6 hours? week in week out o even day in day out... But if the warranty is good much better, at least dyan sa Pinas pag nasira medyo madali makapagawa basta available lang ang parts...Dito sa abroad pag nasira you most likely to get a new one rather than getting it fix :-( masyadong mahal engineer dito :-o
Must admit also na nasisira lang ang equipment due to improper use or use it mostly "way over" there rated limits(done it :-D) o kaya lack of knowledge in the first place kasi sigurado hindi binasa ang Manual (also done it) :-)....(but even the most regarded brands get problems too, mas worst pa nga kasi mas mahal mag pagawa :-D)
Common problem also, If the amp start to clip constantly mostly people ignore them but should be dealt with as soon as possible.
Sorry Guys, not saying nor trying to hit anyone at all pero karamihan kasi ito ang nangyayari at nakikita ko..This is probably why they just let it happen coz' in the first place they dont own the equipment so they dont really care :-D.
sa tingin nyo ba mas ok na ito na lang ang bilin kesa sa mga raon amps/china amps?
napapaisip po kasi ako kung LiveFET2000 or SoundQuest ang bibilin ko, hanggang sa naalala ko na naman ang Behri dahil sa thread na to..
just wanna know why/why not LiveFet or SoundQuest.. ano yung merong mas mabigat na tunog.
sana po meron makatulong... 4pc. 600w 18" speaker lang po ang gagamitan...
maraming salamat..
B0z mas maiGi pakinggan m0 yan muNa. Sa J0int Venture mer0n naman silanG dem0 r00m.
ep4000 in 4 ohms bridge sino na po nka pag try,,,,4000 watts in 4 ohms bridge :razz:
Nabasa ko itong thread a few days ago and I told my friend who has an old Behri EP2500 to compare it with my Qsc Rmx 2450. To my surprise, the EP2500 sounds similar with my Rmx 2450. Totoo pala na it's a perfect clone. Try ko din itong EP4000 soon. The price is irresistable. :-D :-Dsir anong speaker ang ginamit nyo noong pinag compare nyo yong RMX2450 at EP2500 tnks, :wink:
better to test it first at 8 ohms bridge.
@Mantsok sir kung ganon at least meron n tayong choice if we cannot afford the QSC rmx2450,,
Mids on DAS ST112 8-) 8-)
did use my EP2500 sa 8 ohms bridge before sa reflex na box ko running Eminence Kappa Pro-15LFA (600 watts) and did well ...plenty more power kung kailangan e push but driver cant take anymore....so will be easy enough sa 4000 kasi mas malakas power nito...Kung e run nang 4 ohms bridge e make sure lang na tingnan o monitor palagi ang ilaw o kaya kung umiinit ang amp. :wave:mas maganda sana kung makapag handle ito ng 4 ohms bridge in long time of use,, kc kung sa 8 ohms bridge lang sya pwede eh di mag crown lps2500 nlang in 8 ohms bridge, tested na at mas mura pa compare sa ep4000,, but for dual midtop loaded ng 500wtts rms n speaker maybe ep4000 is a good choice if budget is limited.
ok sir kung ganon at least meron n tayong choice if we cannot afford the QSC rmx2450,,
Pambihira! Napapaisip na naman ako ng Behringers imbes na nilalayo ko na sisp ko sa kanila... Pambihira! But thanks guys! :)
...Bossing isa ito sa mga ok sa Behringers...kung sa fullrange mo ipapangdrive, parang QSC na ang linis sa output...kung sa subs naman, ok ito sa mga 600w na 18" woofers...,, :wink:
Kung sa Joint Venture mo kukunin to ng cash sir malamang may 10% off pa yan. :drool:
matapos ang LPS 2500 ito na naman.. gastosan na naman.....magkano ba price nito ngayon ? may less 10 % ba pag cash?
Kung sa Joint Venture mo kukunin to ng cash sir malamang may 10% off pa yan. :drool:
Kung sa Joint Venture mo kukunin to ng cash sir malamang may 10% off pa yan. :drool:
tested the ep4000 to power the mids of our mb378 (dual c12 500mb). almost the same output ng crown ma2400 i'm using! two thumbs up!
@ barracks01woow. ayos kung ganon sir.. :)
B0z yunG sa kakilala namin nakaTry na sila - 1 ep4000 sa 4 na imf Hp18B. Mas maganDa daw bumay0 sa dating SVenta Ma10 at Crell Ca16 nila. :)
check this out. http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-amps-high-pass-filters/23528-behringer-ep4000-pics-fan-mod-etc.html same internals as our ep2500. our qsc1850 which is rated far lesser has a bulkier toroid. anyway these amps are a copy of qsc so maganda circuit nya.nice share sir tnks...post ko nlang sir yong pics para kita kaagad,,, (http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/amants96/ep4000_2a_edited-2-1.jpg) (http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/amants96/ep4000_1_edited-1.jpg) (http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i331/amants96/ep4000.jpg)
@ barracks01
B0z yunG sa kakilala namin nakaTry na sila - 1 ep4000 sa 4 na imf Hp18B. Mas maganDa daw bumay0 sa dating SVenta Ma10 at Crell Ca16 nila. :)
ayos pwedeng pwede. maraming salamat sir sa info. start na ng ipon for imf and ep4000 :)
mapapansin nio sir parang 8 per channel lng ung output transistors nya. . samantalang ung mga china amps may 14 may 16 hehe sa same wattage. . bat kaya? :)
...Malakas pa din ang Crell CA20 sa comparison namin with EP4000 pero hindi naman ganun kalayo ang difference...pero sa price malayo na ang dalawa...,, :wink:
Post the price ng crell please.. :-Dsir crell ca20 nasa 42,000 net price nito ngaun sa raon
@ barracks01bos TJ,ito ba yung kay bos leo ng muzikmicks marikina,imf naka load sa wsx powered by 1 ep4000? narinig ko kagabi,maganda tunog,mabigat yung bass nya sa pakiramdam,para kang lalagnatin. :)
B0z yunG sa kakilala namin nakaTry na sila - 1 ep4000 sa 4 na imf Hp18B. Mas maganDa daw bumay0 sa dating SVenta Ma10 at Crell Ca16 nila. :)
bos TJ,ito ba yung kay bos leo ng muzikmicks marikina,imf naka load sa wsx powered by 1 ep4000? narinig ko kagabi,maganda tunog,mabigat yung bass nya sa pakiramdam,para kang lalagnatin. :)
ep4000 in 4 ohms bridge sino na po nka pag try,,,,4000 watts in 4 ohms bridge :razz:
sir crell ca20 nasa 42,000 net price nito ngaun sa raon
Bros I rented the EP4000 of my friend just to bench test it on actual set-up. Gamit kong subs sa isang grupo ay dual 18" with the older version p audio c18 650 watts. My usual amps sa subs are QSC RMX5050. 4 ohms loading.
Our observations:
= RMX5050 is powerful than the EP4000 pero mga 20% louder lang max.
= Sound output quality is almost the same.
= Price of the RMX5050 (sa Audiophile dati) was 88k +. EP4000 is 25k only. Bang for the buck!
O :drool: :drool:
Sa patagalan mas matibay ang QSC RMX 50/50 wala masiyadong laman ang EP4000
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kaya ba nitong ep4000 patakbuhin ang kevler prx625? or hirap sya?
PalaGay k0 b0z kakayanin :)
sorry new here he he ...
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B0z mants anunG speaker yan?Paudio sir C12 500mb new version.
Paudio sir C12 500mb new version.
Paudio sir C12 500mb new version.
Sir mantz, long time no hear na! anayway available na ba sa market tong bagong C12 500mb?di ko lang sigurado sir kung may stock na sa Music box,, pero minsan kc once n nagbigay n sila ng price meron na din stock di nga lang madami.. bagong version kc ito ..
is that the price on those units each ot pair end where are they sold ??per pc. sir...8,200 less 10 or 15%.
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meron na sila nyan, c12 500mb, maganda isalpak sa mt122.
so are they the price worth ??
yeah true specs he he who sells it in phils ?? link please ....by the way does anyone have TRUE specs on jh.186 and jh-188 ...somrthing tells me that 109 and 110 dbw 8 ohm isnt true he he ...besides xmax and t/s would be nice knowingcrown phils. http://www.crown.com.ph/categories/Instrumental-Speakers/?sort=featured&page=2
yes all the data available that are more true than the ones stated by crown ...110 dbw at 40 hz is NOT possible with 1 watt load ;o) ....also xmax is intresting to mesir most china made speaker they dont have a general specification,, not like those branded one that you can find all the general specification at their website... like this,,, http://www.paudiothailand.com/pdf/products/SD18-1700EL4.pdf
anybody got a chance to measure the high rail voltages of the ep4000s? para sana ma check natin if tama yung claimed output power nya. thanks.
eirol even 10.000 volts wont be good if it doesnt deliver continous power ;o) ...but take a look at inuke nu6000 ...dont know about technicasl difference only the specs stated and it doesnt cost 50% more money for the 50% more power ;o) ...price is very close with those 2 amps
nico, with the supply voltages available we could paracticaly compute the baseline RMS power for a given load...
which would help our fellows here decide if they ought to buy an ep4000 or not.
eirol even 10.000 volts wont be good if it doesnt deliver continous power ;o) ...but take a look at inuke nu6000 ...dont know about technicasl difference only the specs stated and it doesnt cost 50% more money for the 50% more power ;o) ...price is very close with those 2 amps
well in a thread that contains the words "if they should buy" i guess its not that much off topic to mention the other alternativs that are bassicly same amp in another cover ...sam technoligy used in both and same tech team developíng both ...only diff is less weigt in new version
as i see you can ONLY calculate the rms PEAK power knowing the rails ...unless you put a load on terminals and a tone on input ....i was supriced with a berry epq 1200 that i got just for fun ...it really delivered but not untill we raised the input signal to above rated and without peaklimiter on ...it was pulling 4 pc 15"+1,75" tops and 2 pc 18" boxes ....and only rated at 2x600 watt peak he he ...some times we get supriced ....ps it was running the new years party for 2 days
live pro audio yeah but what will be the price diff between the countrys ....do you have any links to a seller with actual prices ??If you are here in phil. Il give my customers no. In cebu he is a dealer of all pro audio including b amp and our products and many more he will give you special price
nico, with the supply voltages available we could paracticaly compute the baseline RMS power for a given load...
which would help our fellows here decide if they ought to buy an ep4000 or not.
B0z pagdating ng st0cks sa J0int balitaan kita sa performance ng EP4000. May pending kaming 4 units. Mabenta daw kasi. :)
ask ko lang sana kung sulit b yung behringer amp ep4000 for its price? pangdridrive ko sana sa apat na subscoop with imf hp18b 600watts. wala kasing stock ngayon sa music box. kaya i'm not sure kung hintayin ko nalang kung kelan magkaroon ng stocks or kung soundquest na lang kukunin or sventa? tingin niyo mga sir, should i wait for the behringer stocks to arrive? although may konzert k10 pa naman ako to drive my subscoop. sana matulungan niyo ko. thanks
Yan na muna b0z k10 habang naghihintay ka ng ep4000. :)I guess sulit nga siguro yung ep4000 kaya worth the wait. Thanks uli
I guess sulit nga siguro yung ep4000 kaya worth the wait. Thanks uli
mukhang mabenta ngayon ang ep4000 ah , bakit nagkakaubusan ng stock :)
Nka punta ako sa Raon may nkita akong available na EP4000...
Sabi ni Joint venture, marami din daw cla dealer dun... :)
Ingat daw tau sa pagbili ng Behringer Ep4000 kac mi mga fake din daw... :-o :-o
paano malaman ang fake? sino dealer ng joint venture sa raon?
paano malaman ang fake? sino dealer ng joint venture sa raon?Sabi ng Joint Venture, ung Tatak na Behringer dapat daw hnd sticker lng... pag sticker ung cgurado Fake.. :-o
i saw test that show that the ep-2500 and ep-4000 is the exaxt same amp and output power of 1850 watt total one place and approx 2000 watt total the other place
http://bitcore.org/stuff/Bass/QSC-RMX2450_VS_BehringerEP2500.jpg
my isang stock sa cresendo sa sm fairview pero a bit pricey than joint venture.... :wink:
Hintay na lang bos. This march na yta ang arrivals :-D
@ tjlimjoco
Still at 25,000 ? :) :)
@ tjlimjoco
Gusto ko sumubok ng EP4000 and the IMF HP18B. Match na match ba sila?
Bos match yan. Parehas pang affordable! San ka pa? :-D
sir naka four ohms load po ba per channel? o 1 speaker per channel
Bos match yan. Parehas pang affordable! San ka pa? :-D
Mas kumpleto stocks sa Metrotech na nga bos. Si bos Mario kasi hindi na yata namomonitor ang stocks nya kaya kapag may biglang requirement tumatakbo na sa Raon ang mga katropa namin.
Bilhin mo na yung Ep4000 bos. Swak yan sa IMF. Kahit sa banda hindi hirap yan saka kapag matagal na ang gig consistent pa din ang output. Yung nabentang Crell namin dati kapag umiinit na, prone sa DC Out kaya tustado ang speakers mo :-(
Metrotech is giving me 25k less 10% discount :-) :-)
thanks.. good for the buck pala ito. pag naka ipon na try ko itong ep4000
Bos Barracks sa IMF HP18B lang namin ginagamit itong Ep 4000. 600 watts lang kasi yung IMF :)
pwede na yan bossing good buy naman ang imf. pang wedding at bithday party lang naman ang mga clients ko.
Been reading more reviews before I buy the EP 4000. Share ko lang sa inyo :-) :-)
http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--BEHEP4000
got 4 units for amp replacements on 4 restobar clients. for subwoofer use.anong sub ang gamit sir driven by ep4000.... at magkano na net price nito ngaun, tnx
@ mantstnx sir,,ok pla itong ep4000 well try soon..
> a pair of wharfedale dual 18 subs
> 2 pairs of kevler single 18 subs
> 2 pairs of tasso single 18 subs
> 1 pair d.i.y. dual 18 subs
we might be changing the drivers.
try intune alimall branch. 25,000 retail. less 10% for cash payments
Been reading more reviews before I buy the EP 4000. Share ko lang sa inyo :-) :-)
http://www.zzounds.com/productreview--BEHEP4000
Madaming pabor sa BEH EP4000 brad ha. May peke nga ba nito sa Raon?
read it from start to finish this thread.
Highly doubt it. First gusto ng pirata either malaking tubo or malaking volume. 25k Ang behringer amp. Mura and affordable. Madalang ko makita amp na yan sa raon. Baka metro tech Lang meron yan. Kadalasan crell, Lexus, live, local crown ang nakadisplay. Kung meron man branded, by order only
For mid-hi which would be better po kaya between the EP4000 and the Crown LPS 2500? Would both be good or 1 or both would be good for sub duties only? Tnx po :)
I think this will depend on the wattage of your "mids" and "highs".
I'm now using the EP 4000 to power 4 - 500 watts 12" mids. I now have enough headroom on them :-) :-)
@ sikyo
Bos kami sa subs namin ginagamit yung Ep4000. Match na match sa mga Imf Hp18b 600w. Dati gamit namin Crell Ca20.
Nasubukan na din namin sa mga Kevler at Xline dual 15 mid-high. Mas gumanda pa ang tunog. :)
tanong lang po mga sir, ano po bang brand ng Amp (kung meron) ang may ganitong specs:crell Ca20 & Sound standard ca20 2x2000 watts @ 4 ohms,, http://www.kolin.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=50&Itemid=97&lang=en http://www.saeaudio.com/products_detail.aspx?id=9&zhu=4
2 x 2000w @4ohms .... salamat po.
crell Ca20 & Sound standard ca20 2x2000 watts @ 4 ohms,, http://www.kolin.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=50&Itemid=97&lang=en http://www.saeaudio.com/products_detail.aspx?id=9&zhu=4
sir Mants, salamat sa link :):wink:
ibig ko sabihin 2 pcs na ep4000 kya ba i drive ang 2 pcs sd18 1200watts ng p audiohindi kaya C18 1200watts ang tinutukoy mo sir,,,ang bagong SD18 kc ngaun ay 1700watts na...at ang luma naman ay 1000watts.
@sir mants sorry mali ako oo nga sd18-650 el!kya b ito ng ep4000?C18 650el 1200watts under power ang ep4000 sir,,,,sa IMF lang ok ang ep4000..
C18 650el 1200watts under power ang ep4000 sir,,,,sa IMF lang ok ang ep4000..
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Mga sir tanong lng po bakit ang tulad ng sventa m10 sandamakmak na transistor kasing lakas lng o mas malakas pa daw itong ep 4000 anu po ba pinagiba ng dami ng transistor sa konti lng ang transistor
mga sir kya ba nitong ep4000 ang 4pcs na AD PRX625?Bos sa 4 na AD PRX625 dapat 2 EP4000 ang gamitin nyo :)
sir which is better? ep4000 or phonic XP3000 .. marami pong salamat .. halos same specs lang sila e
Bos sa price kaya magkaparehas sila? Sa Ep4000 kasi subok na namin - mahusay at matibay din. :-)
ep 4000 kung discounted 20+ lang ung xp3000 namn 22500 discounted. . .
papang drive ko sa apat na imf hp 18B subs ko po sir
busog din ba ung imf sa ep400 siir? di rin ba madali mag clip?
EP4000 VS. XLi3500 sino ang mas malakas? since they are both in good sound quality.
Ideal conservative setup for power amps:
LOW: XLi3500
MID: EP4000
HI: XLi1500
ok na ok na to
Ideal conservative setup for power amps:
LOW: XLi3500
MID: EP4000
HI: XLi1500
ok na ok na to
1 brand 1 model for amps is a more professional way of setup.