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Title: MODS: please bomb this silly topic that was resurrected from the dead...
Post by: psychic_sushi on April 06, 2006, 01:38:39 AM
I can't help but cringe when i think about this "newbie" post... I look back wistfully, and hope that this freaking thing gets locked before it causes a riot...
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: greasykid on April 06, 2006, 02:31:45 AM
Naku! Mukhang mahabang diskusyon na naman ito. Oas, you here? Guys?
Let's get it on!
Unless pagod na kayo sa topic na ito... Hehehehe.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: greasykid on April 06, 2006, 02:35:02 AM
Anyway, I have been playing for around 14 years na. Consistent ang tunog ko kahit anong gamit. My playing basically sucks kaya walang kwenta kahit ano pa ang gamitin ko. Hehehehe... :wink:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: markflo on April 06, 2006, 02:40:10 AM
i'd say it's in both...but more on the fingers...
for me, tone has so many factors that it's hard to say that it's ALL in the fingers or it's ALL in the gear...
you can buy hendrix's exact entire rig and not sound even remotely close to his sound.
why?
because of the nuances he applies to his instrument, you can't buy that.
you can, however, learn it...
gear, although not AS important, when it comes to your tone, ALSO plays a BIG factor in it
if you've got really crappy gear...it won't allow you to play your best...broken speakers, old tubes, high action in the guitar, rusty strings, ugly wood that doesn't resonate well...these CAN be uninspiring
on the other hand, you don't need to have the ABSOLUTE top of the line 10 thousand features gear either
there's a sort of quality curve as gears go higher in price range though, and it's a bad habit to purchase based on price (eg the higher the price, the better, even if most of the time it is!).
you'll find that a 500 buck amp is ALOT better than a 40 buck amp...an 800 buck amp is not that much better than the 500 buck amp, and as the price goes higher and higher...the improvements get less and less, you get the point.
moral of the story...buy gear based on your application...nothing more nothing less...buy gear that will allow your "voice", your tone, to come out...sometimes you need all the bells and whistles of high end gear...sometimes you don't, like a blues guy might just wanna plug straight thru a cranked 5 watt single channel class A tube amp...
you're not gonna get better by buying the most expensive equipment...BUT buying really cheap equipment might hinder your own tone to come out and shine...
my 2 cents...
bow...
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Kulas on April 06, 2006, 02:43:27 AM
for me...
tone quality is in the gear... tone character is in the fingers...
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: greasykid on April 06, 2006, 03:02:46 AM
Quote from: kulas
for me...
tone quality is in the gear... tone character is in the fingers...
Well said!
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Letour on April 06, 2006, 04:02:18 AM
It would be easy to say that it would be both, but looking at all that we do, tone comes from the gear.
Just think, we are debating between single-coil and humbuckers, neck vs. bridge pickup, types of wood, string height, floating or fixed tremolo, bolt-on neck vs. thru body. All these things are to achieve a certian tone. And don't get me started about stompboxes and amps.
Les Paul at 90 says he still is looking for the perfect tone.
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: stratman1 on April 06, 2006, 04:13:04 AM
Quote from: psychic_sushi
I'm sure that this question (if not asked before) has the potential to cause a riot, since most traditionals claim that:
"it's not WHAT you play through, it's HOW you play through it" (kinda like an anti-GAS statement, eh? Hahahah) I'm sure we've all encountered a monster player who sounds consistent kahit anong gamit na gitara and gear.
But guys, on the other hand, there are those times when you pick up a particular set up that affects your playing, making you do things you never could've conceived of. The tone and feel moves you. I wouldn't consider it "sugar" to coat your bad playing. The thing just feels damn right.
So, what is it? Fingers or the gear?
How much of each?
Where does technique fit in the equation?
Please share your fingers vs. gear experience too ;)
who knows, we may influence a bunch of folks to go on a GAS spree, or end up brainwashing others to keep the moolah in the piggy bank and invest on technique, hahahaha!
Is this like a de javu? Isn't this the $4100.00 amp question? I thought everyone already added their 2 cents in this TONE VS FINGER topic? Well, I guess I'll just lurk around here and see if the same cast join in and make this thread as enjoyable as the last, hehe :lol:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on April 06, 2006, 04:14:59 AM
+1 ke MarkFlo...I especially love this part, it aint just 2 cents worth:
Quote from: markflo
you're not gonna get better by buying the most expensive equipment...BUT buying really cheap equipment might hinder your own tone to come out and shine...
my 2 cents...
bow...
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: stratman1 on April 06, 2006, 04:51:14 AM
Man, if I count all the 2 cents from the previous thread, I think I'd have $50 by now, hehe :lol:
Here's my take. 50/50. Talent would be nicely complemented by a decent, not overly expensive, but decent gear.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: sigjoys on April 06, 2006, 06:27:12 AM
mga kapatid... this topic also was discussed here for everyone's reference.
this "hot" topic was also debated noon sa livebands.
check this link also from our very own perf de castro.
http://www.perfdecastro.com/ph-miller.htm
:D
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: titser_marco on April 06, 2006, 07:03:42 AM
Quote from: kulas
for me...
tone quality is in the gear... tone character is in the fingers...
ditto on this. like i said in one of those threads, vai with FZ still sounds like vai on his own, but his sound is far from vai on carvin.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 06, 2006, 07:07:47 AM
"Tone is in the fingers" -- My definition of tone is really timbre and characteristic.
We all sound different because of how we play -- attributed to our physical makeup and style. How we play I refer to as they way we fret, the way we pick, they way we mute, etc. And some people can sound better than others on the same equipment. But... you only have one set of fingers that you cannot change. You either have to accept you as uniquely sounding and like it or purchase equipment to modify the way you sound and influence your style.
For timbre and other characteristics e.g. guitar sustain, overdrive texture, wah sound, note definition, note clarity, EQ, etc, its the equipment that counts. For example, you as an individual will sound better on a Mashall, Fender or Peavey than on a Rage amp. You as individual will sound better on a Fender USA or Gibson USA than on a Santa Mesa Guitar. So, mayabang lang ang tingin ko sa taong magsasabi na ang Rage amp ay kaya niya patanugin as if gumagamit siya ng Marshall or Fender. I tingin ko rin sa taong magsasabi na ang Santa Mesa Guitar ay katunog ng Fender or Gibson ay may problema sa budget.
In closing, I believe that TONE/TIMBRE for me is really more in the mind i.e. the way you want to hear yourself.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: titser_marco on April 06, 2006, 07:12:48 AM
Quote from: stratman1
Man, if I count all the 2 cents from the previous thread, I think I'd have $50 by now, hehe :lol:
Korek. Enough to buy beer for a lot of people
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: deltaslim on April 06, 2006, 07:23:55 AM
Quote from: oasgomez
So, mayabang lang ang tingin ko sa taong magsasabi na ang Rage amp ay kaya niya patanugin as if gumagamit siya ng Marshall or Fender.
onga no, may point ka rito.
well, anyway, lahat ng sagot nyo korek kasi iba-iba pa rin ang definition natin of what comprises "tone" and what we mean by "fingers" (kasama ba yung player at utak nya dun?)!
so tapos ang kaso. close this thread before it turns nasty. :-)
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: spankyrigor on April 06, 2006, 09:54:14 AM
Quote from: deltaslim
so tapos ang kaso. close this thread before it turns nasty. :-)
+1. done to death. why can't you guys just post more pics of rica peralejo?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: kaloyster on April 06, 2006, 10:06:43 AM
It's the fingers (skills). kahit pahawakin mo si Hendrix ng patakbuhing gitara, he'd still play it the way we love it. Endo.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: agentx44 on April 06, 2006, 10:07:44 AM
tone is in the player. put a PRS in my hand, plug me into a Marshall stack with 200K worth of effects and my playing would still suck.
OT: dun sa nag-request... (http://www.you.inq7.net/showing/01102002/images/sho4.jpg) :mrgreen:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: nathanmanansala on April 06, 2006, 10:18:34 AM
can i just praise (/kiss the asses) of the people whose tones give me a stiffy?
good one, sir agentman, uh, dude.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 06, 2006, 10:20:44 AM
its in the ears? dapat wala ka earwax para maganda ang pagkinig mo sa tone, tapos yung sa fingers tingin ko primary yun.. hehe :lol:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: namida on April 06, 2006, 10:47:26 AM
It's been said before and observed many times. No amount of gear can ever compensate for the lack of real skill, likewise talent will be a bit hard to identify coming from downright incapable equipments. A sort of balance between gear and skill is most desirable although I do favor enhancing my abilities to achieve the sounds that I hear in my head. If hard pressed, I will happily perform with just my tele straight through any amp you throw at me (can I use my klotz cable?).
Thus far, heres what I can call my conclusion as based on my experiences... Gear is a factor that doesn't grow, if your playing outgrows your gears then I guess thats a good time to look for something better or something else. I always asses my realistic position (my abilities) amidst my desire to acquire gear.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: spankyrigor on April 06, 2006, 11:07:43 AM
Quote from: agentx44
tone is in the player. put a PRS in my hand, plug me into a Marshall stack with 200K worth of effects and my playing would still suck.
well said. thanks for the pic, btw. made my day. :lol:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: glassjaw_jc on April 06, 2006, 11:13:50 AM
it's in the fingears
Title: Hmmmm....nice topic
Post by: Mahineman on April 06, 2006, 11:25:07 AM
I think it works hand in hand. Kahit si SRV hindi makaka2g2g ng matino if he played with a local guitar from st.mesa with ugly strings thru a crappy amp from raon. Gear has standards. Tone basically comes from your gear...but how it's mixed and matched is a different story. I've tried alot of things na and the best sound I ever got was playing with a Gibson LP thru a Marshall tube amp. Yun talaga ang killer combo. Too bad I don't have any of the two. Basta sakin 50/50. If you have the chops...it's best backed up with a killer tone!!!! I also have GAS. I'm one of those guitarists who just want to try everything I can get my hands on. hehehe. But gear is useless if you don't know how to use them. I saw this kid once, 16yrs old, bought a Fender US, a Marshall JCM. Boosted the amp with a YJM...my jaw dropped as soon as he started playing. He has the chops and the tone. Kung panget tunog niya, I would'nt have noticed he was good. Neither would I have noticed him if he didnt have the skill. Cge ang daldal ko na. Basta yun na.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Poundcake on April 06, 2006, 12:42:18 PM
for me, tone is acquired not just from playing the right chops, but also from getting the right gear to convey/express EXACTLY what you want to express. compare it to a vocalist switching bands. for example, Steve Perry is perfect for Journey as they have their 80s/glam/power ballad rock thing going but he can never replace James Hetfield as the vocalist of Metallica because Metallica has a different sound. but that doesn't change the fact that Steve Perry is still one heck of a singer. if your playing and equipment can perfectly say what you want musically, then you've got tone :)
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: PRSMan on April 06, 2006, 01:12:02 PM
i've got my thoughts... but first, how do you guys define "tone" in the first place?
my guess is that we all have different definitions of "tone".... some closer to the correct definition than others.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Phil on April 06, 2006, 01:25:30 PM
Tone for me is the sound that I LIKE that comes out of the speakers....from playing the guitar...to the pickup....to the amp...and to the speakers.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Taoistguitarist on April 06, 2006, 01:27:54 PM
this thread feels like a drum of gasoline waiting for an unsuspecting passerby to light a cigarette. :-#
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: titser_marco on April 06, 2006, 01:51:23 PM
Quote from: PRSMan
i've got my thoughts... but first, how do you guys define "tone" in the first place?
my guess is that we all have different definitions of "tone".... some closer to the correct definition than others.
Then I guess before we post our thoughts on this matter, let's define our parameters for tone (just like what oas did on his post, i.e. timbre and characteristic).
For me, tone is often confused with a player's character. Tone for me is simpyl the sound that comes out of an amp, regardless of who plays it or what instrument is plugged into it. The example I showed on my earlier post exemplifies this.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: jun_gats on April 06, 2006, 01:56:47 PM
both :D
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 06, 2006, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: guitaraddict
this thread feels like a drum of gasoline waiting for an unsuspecting passerby to light a cigarette. :-#
hmmm.. lets wait for the flames..
then ill post pics of rica peralejo... hehehe
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: markflo on April 06, 2006, 02:31:32 PM
WAR!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
...de...loko lang...peace tayo... :lol:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on April 06, 2006, 02:34:08 PM
I AM SADDAM! WORSHIP ME OR DIE!!!!! :twisted:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on April 06, 2006, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: agentx44
tone is in the player. put a PRS in my hand, plug me into a Marshall stack with 200K worth of effects and my playing would still suck.
OT: dun sa nag-request... (http://www.you.inq7.net/showing/01102002/images/sho4.jpg) :mrgreen:
who cares about tone when you have her!! she is a big distraction...i didnt even bother reading the posts when i saw her pic! Thanks Agentx44 for putting some sense into this thread hehe...
ok ok ..back to regular programming.
oh by the way, thanks din ke sigjoys for putting the link on the baguio guitar player sa site ni Perf, di ko makita yun e.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 06, 2006, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: agentx44
tone is in the player. put a PRS in my hand, plug me into a Marshall stack with 200K worth of effects and my playing would still suck.
OT: dun sa nag-request... (http://www.you.inq7.net/showing/01102002/images/sho4.jpg) :mrgreen:
who cares about tone when you have her!! she is a big distraction...i didnt even bother reading the posts when i saw her pic! Thanks Agentx44 for putting some sense into this thread hehe...
ok ok ..back to regular programming.
oh by the way, thanks din ke sigjoys for putting the link on the baguio guitar player sa site ni Perf, di ko makita yun e.
Sonny, ang ganda ng "amp" na yun! Ang laki ng "speakers"!! 12" ba yun? Sana maka "tweak" ako sa mga "knobs" ng yun! Pero...meron'g problema.....baka ang "input" jack nya nya hinda maka take sa "signal" ko.....I think sobrang "hot" and signal sa "gitarra" ko! BWAKAKKAHAHAHAHA!!!
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: eders19 on April 06, 2006, 06:02:16 PM
for me, i think it all boils down with what you do with both, not what you have. i mean you can't really say that edge achieved his tone by relying solely on his fingers or his gear. U2's song would've sounded different had he not used his delay fx or had a playing style like kerry king.
what if he had the same gear, but played like the sex pistols? or the usual edge style, but with different fx? iba rin diba?
i don't know, maybe that's just me
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on April 06, 2006, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: abyssinianson
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: agentx44
tone is in the player. put a PRS in my hand, plug me into a Marshall stack with 200K worth of effects and my playing would still suck.
OT: dun sa nag-request... (http://www.you.inq7.net/showing/01102002/images/sho4.jpg) :mrgreen:
who cares about tone when you have her!! she is a big distraction...i didnt even bother reading the posts when i saw her pic! Thanks Agentx44 for putting some sense into this thread hehe...
ok ok ..back to regular programming.
oh by the way, thanks din ke sigjoys for putting the link on the baguio guitar player sa site ni Perf, di ko makita yun e.
Sonny, ang ganda ng "amp" na yun! Ang laki ng "speakers"!! 12" ba yun? Sana maka "tweak" ako sa mga "knobs" ng yun! Pero...meron'g problema.....baka ang "input" jack nya nya hinda maka take sa "signal" ko.....I think sobrang "hot" and signal sa "gitarra" ko! BWAKAKKAHAHAHAHA!!!
WAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!! Ganda ng pagkaka describe mo Abyss.. wag ka mag alala about the input jack, mukhang flexibility is one of the great features of this amp ... pero sa tingin ko, dapat ok yung tubes na ipapasok mo para maganda yung tone ...
AYUS!!
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 06, 2006, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: abyssinianson
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: agentx44
tone is in the player. put a PRS in my hand, plug me into a Marshall stack with 200K worth of effects and my playing would still suck.
OT: dun sa nag-request... (http://www.you.inq7.net/showing/01102002/images/sho4.jpg) :mrgreen:
who cares about tone when you have her!! she is a big distraction...i didnt even bother reading the posts when i saw her pic! Thanks Agentx44 for putting some sense into this thread hehe...
ok ok ..back to regular programming.
oh by the way, thanks din ke sigjoys for putting the link on the baguio guitar player sa site ni Perf, di ko makita yun e.
Sonny, ang ganda ng "amp" na yun! Ang laki ng "speakers"!! 12" ba yun? Sana maka "tweak" ako sa mga "knobs" ng yun! Pero...meron'g problema.....baka ang "input" jack nya nya hinda maka take sa "signal" ko.....I think sobrang "hot" and signal sa "gitarra" ko! BWAKAKKAHAHAHAHA!!!
WAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH!! Ganda ng pagkaka describe mo Abyss.. wag ka mag alala about the input jack, mukhang flexibility is one of the great features of this amp ... pero sa tingin ko, dapat ok yung tubes na ipapasok mo para maganda yung tone ...
AYUS!!
Hmmm....tung "tubes".....ano kaya ang makuha mo sa variety? Gusto ko ang EL34 kasi buttery ang "voicing" pero wala akong extra na maipasok....baka flexible ang bias niya at pwede ang extra ko na 6L6? I would imagine na ang different na "voicing" at "character" ng "tubes" will take this "amp" form buttery smooth and sexy to mad, crazy wailing pag i-"overdrive" mo during sa "gig." HA!!!!!!
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on April 06, 2006, 06:54:30 PM
hehe back to regular programming na nga...nadadala kami ni abyss sa pic ni Rica at instead of TONE ang pag-usapan e MOAN!
sabagay, rhyme naman!
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: titser_marco on April 06, 2006, 08:59:47 PM
Quote from: abyssinianson
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
Quote from: agentx44
tone is in the player. put a PRS in my hand, plug me into a Marshall stack with 200K worth of effects and my playing would still suck.
OT: dun sa nag-request... (http://www.you.inq7.net/showing/01102002/images/sho4.jpg) :mrgreen:
who cares about tone when you have her!! she is a big distraction...i didnt even bother reading the posts when i saw her pic! Thanks Agentx44 for putting some sense into this thread hehe...
ok ok ..back to regular programming.
oh by the way, thanks din ke sigjoys for putting the link on the baguio guitar player sa site ni Perf, di ko makita yun e.
Sonny, ang ganda ng "amp" na yun! Ang laki ng "speakers"!! 12" ba yun? Sana maka "tweak" ako sa mga "knobs" ng yun! Pero...meron'g problema.....baka ang "input" jack nya nya hinda maka take sa "signal" ko.....I think sobrang "hot" and signal sa "gitarra" ko! BWAKAKKAHAHAHAHA!!!
hmm dont you think 12in. "cones" are a bit scary? :P
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: markflo on April 06, 2006, 11:31:01 PM
tone is in the alcohol...
the more you drink...the better you sound... the more THEY drink...the better you sound...
i rest my case...
everyone agree?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Letour on April 07, 2006, 07:25:35 AM
Quote from Eric Johnson (Guitar Player, May 2006 p. 91)
"Tone has more to do with touch than gear, and the most importanat thing is dampening anywhere you're not playing. Dampening can be done underneath your fretting fingers or thumb, or with the outside of your strumming-hand palm or thumb. Also, the way your finger makes contact with the frets makes a big difference. You need to learn the sweet spots on your guitar like a violin player would."
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 07, 2006, 08:48:45 AM
true, playing does have a lot to do with touch and knowing how your guitar sounds.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: walis_bluz on April 07, 2006, 01:13:38 PM
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Phil on April 07, 2006, 01:25:49 PM
Quote from: markflo
tone is in the alcohol...
the more you drink...the better you sound... the more THEY drink...the better you sound...
i rest my case...
everyone agree?
I'll try that...pero bihira na ako uminom pre.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: knightburn on April 07, 2006, 02:30:08 PM
I remember my former 2nd lead guitarist in our rock & roll band. I tell you... he is one hell of a shredder BUT his sound is horrible. Parang minsan napapatingin na lang sya sa akin kapag ako naman ang nag lead dahil (modesty aside) mas malinaw naman sa akin kahit hindi ganun kabilis daliri ko. :wink: . I tried to give him effects pero hindi rin sya bihasa sa pag dial ng mga pots sa amp and effects kaya hindi rin maganda ang tunog sa Vantage guitar nya. Parang plug and play lang type of guitar player sya.
I think dapat balance ang pag execute mo sa fingers mo through guitar effects.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: namida on April 07, 2006, 02:36:15 PM
Quote from: knightburn
I remember my former 2nd lead guitarist in our rock & roll band. I tell you... he is one hell of a shredder BUT his sound is horrible. Parang minsan napapatingin na lang sya sa akin kapag ako naman ang nag lead dahil (modesty aside) mas malinaw naman sa akin kahit hindi ganun kabilis daliri ko. :wink: . I tried to give him effects pero hindi rin sya bihasa sa pag dial ng mga pots sa amp and effects kaya hindi rin maganda ang tunog sa Vantage guitar nya. Parang plug and play lang type of guitar player sya.
I think dapat balance ang pag execute mo sa fingers mo through guitar effects.
Teach your brother :wink:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: tele-tubby on April 15, 2006, 12:58:24 AM
up ko lang ito. since may nakuha akong quote from bb king. hehe
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: tele-tubby on April 15, 2006, 01:14:03 AM
a little more from the article where i got it from...
Marc Ford is ambivalent about gear mania: "B.B. King once said, 'Give me any guitar and amp, and I will get my sound, because my soul is me and not the instrument.' That's totally right-on. Give me a Hondo II, and I'll make some nice sounds with it. The guitar is just wood and some electric bits. Get over it."
Of course, Marc doesn't use a Hondo II. His main road hog is a stripped-to-the-wood '71 Gibson Les Paul Standard, a Christmas girt from Chris Robinson. "I had never played Gibsons before, " says Ford. "I was always a Stratocaster man, because you can throw them on the ground, step on 'em, drag 'em behind your car, and they still work. Gibsons always seemed too precious. A Gibson is like a Cadillac; it almost plays itself. With Fenders you've got to really dig in to get it out of there."
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 15, 2006, 01:38:57 AM
Tone is a function of money. - oas :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 15, 2006, 02:22:18 AM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Tone is a function of money. - oas :D :D :D :D :D
If that is the case, could one say that BB King doesn't know what he is talking about when he says, "Give me any guitar and amp, and I will get my sound, because my soul is me and not the instrument.?"
I believe that tone is not always a function of money because it is relative and not dependent on each other as factors. Analogously, could one say - for sure - that intelligence and the ability to deduce logically is a function of how many years of schooling you have had? Not necessarily. Why? Because, in my day, I have met a ton of people that say stupid ass [gooey brown stuff] despite having had years of education at the graduate level. A Ph.D, MBA, or M.D. doesn't save you from inherently being a dumba$$, thats ALL you.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 15, 2006, 02:24:10 AM
Quote from: abyssinianson
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Tone is a function of money. - oas :D :D :D :D :D
If that is the case, could one say that BB King doesn't know what he is talking about when he says, "Give me any guitar and amp, and I will get my sound, because my soul is me and not the instrument.?"
I believe that tone is not always a function of money because it is relative and not dependent on each other as factors. Analogously, could one say - for sure - that intelligence and the ability to deduce logically is a function of how many years of schooling you have had? Not necessarily. Why? Because, in my day, I have met a ton of people that say stupid ass [gooey brown stuff] despite having had years of education at the graduate level. A Ph.D, MBA, or M.D. doesn't save you from inherently being a dumba$$, thats ALL you.
Oh yes. Just look at our politicians. :D
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: jplacson on April 15, 2006, 02:46:44 AM
Hmmm... my take on tone...
I think it's a bit of a misleading question.
If you're talking about "sonic" tone, then that's the gear. "Musical" tone is all you.
Riffs & licks aside, tone comes from a lot of things... how hard you press the fretboard, where in the fret -closer to the fret, middle, farther back, at an angle, etc... ... where you pick -closer to the bridge, closer to the neck... every mm makes a diff, and everyone subconsciously plays in their own 'sweet spot' ... even your physical build affects how you play since it affects how your guitar is positioned to your body... the angle of your pick, the pick you choose... etc. Palm muting (or not muting) is a big factor as well, since no 2 people will mute the exact same way, with the exact same pressure, at the exact same angle.
All these things affect your tone... and why you play the way you play are the reasons behind your tone.
On a psychological level, when you play on someone else's gear, your mind tries to get the sound YOU want out of their gear... adjusting how you pick, where you pick...etc...etc... until what you hear, is as close to your 'tone' as you can get with the given rig... hence the reason for why your tone seems to follow you around.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 15, 2006, 03:08:03 AM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Quote from: abyssinianson
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Tone is a function of money. - oas :D :D :D :D :D
If that is the case, could one say that BB King doesn't know what he is talking about when he says, "Give me any guitar and amp, and I will get my sound, because my soul is me and not the instrument.?"
I believe that tone is not always a function of money because it is relative and not dependent on each other as factors. Analogously, could one say - for sure - that intelligence and the ability to deduce logically is a function of how many years of schooling you have had? Not necessarily. Why? Because, in my day, I have met a ton of people that say stupid ass [gooey brown stuff] despite having had years of education at the graduate level. A Ph.D, MBA, or M.D. doesn't save you from inherently being a dumba$$, thats ALL you.
Oh yes. Just look at our politicians. :D
So sad...has it gotten better? I heard there was just a coup attempt. Amazing....it never ends doesn't it? To make it worse, it always seems to be the military behind it! Mother of God! There ought to be a set of prerequisites to getting an elected government seat in the Phils, seriously. I mean, FPJ as a Senator?!? What has that Arroyo woman been doing that has been useful?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: SDMF on April 15, 2006, 04:18:35 AM
For a position running a city, province or country dapat required at least may college degree!
I mean kung college professor nga e...ilang estudyante/sections lang hawak nyan pero required sya na may Masters Degree...Un pa kaya magpatakbo ng bansa??!! Buhay ng mga Pilipino nakataya dito! :mrgreen:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 15, 2006, 05:23:47 AM
Last I checked, BB King is still using a Gibson Lucille. I believe BB King meant all things being equal from one ES guitar to another.
When I meant that tone is a function of money, I was referring to timbre and instrument characteristic. Now each of us has unique tone. Pati si BB King, hindi magagaya ang tunog natin.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 15, 2006, 05:26:58 AM
We've all heard the old cliche"Tone is in your hands." Well, not really... The amplifiers you choose to play are going to be held to an entirely different standard --- the tone you hear in your head. Quote from Victoria amplification...
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 15, 2006, 05:34:19 AM
I love great guitar sounds. Great guitar sounds inspire, elevate great performers and manufacturers to legendary status, and in some cases define the sound of a geographic region. Whether its "Pearly Gates" or the "Woman Tone," just thinking about it makes you want to pick up your guitar and play. The guitar feels so much more vital when the tone is great. It responds to your every nuance, inspiring you to play things you've never played before." -- Joe Bonamassa
Now you guys who keep on insisting that tone is ONLY JUST in the hands either dont have inspirational sounding gear, or are just denying they have had an inspirational moment with one piece of equipment in their lives or are just plain deaf.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 15, 2006, 05:45:31 AM
Hmm...I wonder about the definition of "inspirational gear" - would it still qualify as a subcategory of the 'ol "$2,000 cutoff?" I disagree that BB was limiting his inference of gear to ONLY ES type guitars or comparable guitars. I mean from the approach and tone of the statement, he does say that his soul transcends whatever gear types because - in the end - the man does sound the way he does through anything.
Heck, if you gave me a blind fold test and had me listen to BB versus Buddy Guy with both of them on Strats, I would be able to tell you which is which - cold. Moreover, even if you listen to old, old chess records...Buddy Guy still sounds like Buddy guy regardless of the guitars and amps he has played through over the years. Ditto for BB King.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Santo Muerte on April 15, 2006, 06:17:39 AM
If you have great tone then it inspires you to play better but if you sound like [gooey brown stuff] then guess what that will do to your playing. One compliments the other. Even if you're a skilled guitarist you won't be able to show your flash if your tone sounds like garbage, & even the greatest sounding tone in the world won't save you if you're a crappy player.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on April 15, 2006, 06:37:11 AM
di pa rin ba tapos to???
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 15, 2006, 07:53:05 AM
So, if BB King and Buddy Guy can sound like themselves on anything, how come they dont use a Classical Flamenco a majority of the time?
If you use records as basis, I am entirely on a different wavelength and I apologize. There is so much that goes into a recording process which you are more aware and proficient than I but by the very fact that you have four different tube amps is a testimony that you yourself believe that each amp in some way brings a different sonic texture that your hands cannot deliver on its own.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: alquin on April 15, 2006, 08:55:02 AM
ahhh basta.. kung ok ung 2nog mo sa gear mo ok n un.. pero kung di kanaman nag gi-GIG at sarili mo lng ang nakakarinig sayo.. how will you say that you have a great tone.. pano mo makukumpara ang sarili mo or ang iba kung di naririnig din ng iba... you can buy this you can buy that.. pero "may nakikinig ba sayo?" "pinaparinig mo ba sa kanila?" pano mo masasabi na ung mahal ay mas maganda kung sarili mo lang ang huhusga? .. for me I have a few collection noon.. an old dean ML , a 40th aniv strat, a takamine and a cheap epiphone explorer etc.. and hulaan nyo kung ano ang itinira ko.. Iknow its not as expensive as PRS or Gibsons....
among those expensive stuff, I choose the epi explorer coz, many people say i sound better on that and comporatable ako..
so you can have all the expensive stuff, but if no one listen to you, or you dnt have the guts to play in front of many diff. people, it may mean that you dnt know what ur talking about..
heheh.. di ko naintindihan sinabi ko at all... gessssssshhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 15, 2006, 10:55:28 AM
Quote from: oasgomez
So, if BB King and Buddy Guy can sound like themselves on anything, how come they dont use a Classical Flamenco a majority of the time?
If you use records as basis, I am entirely on a different wavelength and I apologize. There is so much that goes into a recording process which you are more aware and proficient than I but by the very fact that you have four different tube amps is a testimony that you yourself believe that each amp in some way brings a different sonic texture that your hands cannot deliver on its own.
pareng SRV hindi ito matapos until the following facts are understood by oas:
A) the reason why Buddy Guy and BB King don't use flamenco classicals is because a classical is not an electrically amplified guitar - maybe in your mind it is - but last time I checked, both guys played electrics. moreover, comparing a classical guitar to an electric AND fully expecting a serious answer in this conversational context is... is, well, wow....
B)whether both guys play on a record or play to me while they're taking a dump using small Fender Champs, the point is, they have a style to their playing that is characteristic of how they express their playing physically, emotionally and stylistically. Without that style, without THEIR signature mark as expressed through their technique, BB King and Buddy Guy will never sound like who they are. Their signature techniques - the trills, the bends, the phrasing - all of that transcends whatever gear they are using and that is something any guitar can tell you without hesitation. Although the gear oriented tone is there to amplify their tone and color it, the fundamental sound of the person is still there, whether you are listening to BB King OR Buddy Guy.
No amount of gear - expensive OR cheap - will ever replace how YOU sound through equipment. Afterall, its the player that plays the instrument, not the other way around.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 15, 2006, 12:39:28 PM
Fingers bring CHARACTER Equipment brings TIMBRE.
Your fingers alone cannot create timbre. Your guitar, amps and effects do. But then when all is combined, we get different sounds from from one person to another.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 15, 2006, 12:42:51 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
di pa rin ba tapos to???
I'm afraid that it won't. And it doesn't only happen here.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 15, 2006, 01:45:51 PM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Fingers bring CHARACTER Equipment brings TIMBRE.
Your fingers alone cannot create timbre. Your guitar, amps and effects do. But then when all is combined, we get different sounds from from one person to another.
well said. i think what is lacking, as far as a rigid definition of "tone" is that character is unique to a player's individuality - period - regardless of what you play through. the gear is simply there to dress how you project your musicianship.
the argument won't end and I don't know why. arguing individuality is such a simple matter. even if you dress a crappy musician in the best gear, he or she will still suck; that is their character, an inherent feature of their skill and technique. i don't know why it is such a hard point to see. sure, gear and skill counts toward musicianship but, seriously speaking, if there isn't any skill and style to play with, what difference does the gear tone matter?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: titser_marco on April 15, 2006, 02:24:01 PM
Quote from: jplacson
Hmmm... my take on tone...
On a psychological level, when you play on someone else's gear, your mind tries to get the sound YOU want out of their gear... adjusting how you pick, where you pick...etc...etc... until what you hear, is as close to your 'tone' as you can get with the given rig... hence the reason for why your tone seems to follow you around.
Hmmm, this is actually an overlooked point. :) Nice take on the topic, jplacson. Made me think about this whole tone issue all over again. :)
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: glassjaw_jc on April 15, 2006, 04:11:18 PM
Quote from: jplacson
On a psychological level, when you play on someone else's gear, your mind tries to get the sound YOU want out of their gear... adjusting how you pick, where you pick...etc...etc... until what you hear, is as close to your 'tone' as you can get with the given rig... hence the reason for why your tone seems to follow you around.
exactly!
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Al_Librero on April 15, 2006, 05:25:25 PM
so how do PhilMusic members define 'tone' anyway?
or can someone provide me a link if one has been spelled out already. thank you.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: tele-tubby on April 15, 2006, 06:49:26 PM
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
di pa rin ba tapos to???
sorry i brought the thread back to life hihihihi
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: jplacson on April 15, 2006, 06:50:30 PM
thanks glassjaw, titser_marco. it came about cuz my friend and I were discussing tone as well a while back.
my friend is left-handed but learned guitar on the regular 'right-handed' layout. he was just thinking out loud on why a "right handed" guitar is fretted with the left hand, seeing as that does all the 'work'... so it should be a 'left handed' guitar... and current left-handed ones should be called right-handed ones since the right hand does all the work.
this discussion got me thinking and i initially agreed until i analyzed my own playing... and i realized that 80% of a person's "tone" or playing style (dynamics, expression, eq, etc) comes from the playing/pick hand... not the fret hand.
since you psychologically have more active control of your dominant hand (even ambis have a preferred hand) you can control subtleties in your playing better. Slight changes in attack angle, muting pressure, picking location, etc... all being done subconsciously... all conforming to what your mind wants to hear.
tone is very personal. i read an article somewhere that nuno and evh were at a rehearsal for a concert and evh asked nuno to play through his rig... still sounded like nuno... playing through an evh rig.... hahahaha
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: namida on April 15, 2006, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: jplacson
On a psychological level, when you play on someone else's gear, your mind tries to get the sound YOU want out of their gear... adjusting how you pick, where you pick...etc...etc... until what you hear, is as close to your 'tone' as you can get with the given rig... hence the reason for why your tone seems to follow you around.
During a jam, a friend commented that he still hears my tone while using a different guitar from the last time. I was rather unconscious of it until he mentioned it, I just tweaked the stuff to the sound that pleases me the most.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: deltaslim on April 15, 2006, 07:17:54 PM
Quote from: jplacson
thanks glassjaw, titser_marco. it came about cuz my friend and I were discussing tone as well a while back.
my friend is left-handed but learned guitar on the regular 'right-handed' layout. he was just thinking out loud on why a "right handed" guitar is fretted with the left hand, seeing as that does all the 'work'... so it should be a 'left handed' guitar... and current left-handed ones should be called right-handed ones since the right hand does all the work.
this discussion got me thinking and i initially agreed until i analyzed my own playing... and i realized that 80% of a person's "tone" or playing style (dynamics, expression, eq, etc) comes from the playing/pick hand... not the fret hand.
since you psychologically have more active control of your dominant hand (even ambis have a preferred hand) you can control subtleties in your playing better. Slight changes in attack angle, muting pressure, picking location, etc... all being done subconsciously... all conforming to what your mind wants to hear.
tone is very personal. i read an article somewhere that nuno and evh were at a rehearsal for a concert and evh asked nuno to play through his rig... still sounded like nuno... playing through an evh rig.... hahahaha
great points you make here, jp. playing a lot w/ bare fingers myself, i can certainly can relate to your discovery. would also add, though, that aside from our fingers (or right hand, in particular), tone is not just a function of physics but also metaphysics!
that's why when i say "tone is in the fingers", i also qualify it to say that "tone is in the person"... the person's mental concept of what a good tone is will dictate how he tweaks and plays whatever guitar, fx, or amp you hand to him. give me a marshall amp and i will try to make it sound like a fender. give me a tele and i will try to make it sound like a P90s goldtop.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: sonnyrayvaughn on April 15, 2006, 07:35:11 PM
Quote from: tele-tubby
Quote from: sonnyrayvaughn
di pa rin ba tapos to???
sorry i brought the thread back to life hihihihi
ok lang..it makes life so much colorful :)
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 15, 2006, 07:38:36 PM
Abyss,
Technique and style na ang pinaguusapan mo. Start kay ng technique and style thread.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Al_Librero on April 15, 2006, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: jplacson
tone is very personal. i read an article somewhere that nuno and evh were at a rehearsal for a concert and evh asked nuno to play through his rig... still sounded like nuno... playing through an evh rig.... hahahaha
eto yung kuwento ni Nuno during his mini-concert/guitar clinic at the Yupangco showroom last year.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 15, 2006, 07:49:45 PM
It's never gonna end for as long as there are gear manufacturers who market their products.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: titser_marco on April 15, 2006, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Fingers bring CHARACTER Equipment brings TIMBRE.
Your fingers alone cannot create timbre. Your guitar, amps and effects do. But then when all is combined, we get different sounds from from one person to another.
THIS IS THE ANSWER!
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: PRSMan on April 15, 2006, 09:07:29 PM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Fingers bring CHARACTER Equipment brings TIMBRE.
Your fingers alone cannot create timbre. Your guitar, amps and effects do. But then when all is combined, we get different sounds from from one person to another.
I must say, this brings a lot more clarity and objectiveness into this discsussion. Great way of framing things skunkyfunk.
Quote from: Al_Librero
so how do PhilMusic members define 'tone' anyway?
I also want to know the answer to that. I asked that question on another thread, and the replies were more along the lines of it's the sound you get. I actually don't think that tone = sound. There are definitions out there that overlap/contradict each other, but I've seen consistency in a contrast between tone as "just sound".
oasgomez -- Somewhere in this thread, I saw you state something around it's not just the gear that matters nor is it just the hands that matter. I think this is the first time I've read you strike a balance between the two. I think this is what's been missing in your previous posts and the cause of all the angst against you. This new stance you're taking is more welcome I must say. Also, your recent posts have had a less confrontational tone (oh man, that word again!)... please keep it up.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 15, 2006, 10:01:35 PM
Quote from: oasgomez
Abyss,
Technique and style na ang pinaguusapan mo. Start kay ng technique and style thread.
you can't mention technique and style by separating it from the character of a player. i am talking about the same thing - this isn't semantics - its plain logic. you can't say an orange isn't a fruit and just classify an orange as JUST an orange....a person is to a human being as style is to musicianship character. tone is to character as technique is to a signature sound that represents who a player is.
there is a balance between the two - there has to be. my main point is, without the character of a person using technique and style as a medium of physical expression, gear is nothing. simple. you can be the worst guitar player with a Diezel and your tone isn't going to matter because the tone - summed by the technique, your fingers doing their thing, and the sound amplifying everything to an annoying degree - coming through it is crap - you're not using it well enough.
the argument would have been different had the original question been presented in this way: is the sound of the gear dependent on the player? if that was the case, then of course people would say it isn't - that is all gear. a strat is still a strat as much as an LP is an LP. however, if you say tone, even if you ask a heavily gigging musician, tone will always be mentioned synonymously with musical character because that is what it has come to be known as - SRV had great tone but it also had a lot to do with how he played and handled his loud amps and #1 strat with the 13 guage strings.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: SDMF on April 15, 2006, 11:47:47 PM
Quote from: Al_Librero
Quote from: jplacson
tone is very personal. i read an article somewhere that nuno and evh were at a rehearsal for a concert and evh asked nuno to play through his rig... still sounded like nuno... playing through an evh rig.... hahahaha
eto yung kuwento ni Nuno during his mini-concert/guitar clinic at the Yupangco showroom last year.
Oo nga....I just noticed...that most people who'll tell you that tone is in the fingers are the great artist themselves, our Guitar Heroes...and those who'll tell you that it's in the gear are mostly those who are in the business of amp and guitar building... :wink:
So...it's up to you guys who you wanna believe. :lol:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 16, 2006, 12:28:37 AM
Quote from: SDMF
Quote from: Al_Librero
Quote from: jplacson
tone is very personal. i read an article somewhere that nuno and evh were at a rehearsal for a concert and evh asked nuno to play through his rig... still sounded like nuno... playing through an evh rig.... hahahaha
eto yung kuwento ni Nuno during his mini-concert/guitar clinic at the Yupangco showroom last year.
Oo nga....I just noticed...that most people who'll tell you that tone is in the fingers are the great artist themselves, our Guitar Heroes...and those who'll tell you that it's in the gear are mostly those who are in the business of amp and guitar building... :wink:
So...it's up to you guys who you wanna believe. :lol:
But the mere fact that Nuno took forever to setup his rig during the clinic here means THE GEAR DOES MATTER. As to how much, only Nuno can tell. He uses JCM800s for the most part but instead used the TSLs in Yupangco. But then, could he have sounded just as great if he used the Squier practice amps with 8" speakers? Of course this is an exaggeration, but then again, Nuno subconsciously stuck to his bare minimum on gear choices, hence the TSLs and the Boss stomps (not his BTW). And I don't think Nuno playing through EVH's rig would be tantamount to settling for less either.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 16, 2006, 01:26:45 AM
Quote from: SDMF
For a position running a city, province or country dapat required at least may college degree!
I mean kung college professor nga e...ilang estudyante/sections lang hawak nyan pero required sya na may Masters Degree...Un pa kaya magpatakbo ng bansa??!! Buhay ng mga Pilipino nakataya dito! :mrgreen:
I just want to make it clear that the constitution is FAIR and LOGICAL. The requirement TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT is at least being a natural-born Filipino and literate. But then, it does not stop there. IT IS THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE that puts political candidates in office. So even some grade school dropout can file for candidacy, but then again, if people won't vote for him/her then so what? Remember that clown Eddie Gil?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Al_Librero on April 16, 2006, 01:50:45 AM
from what i've heard, the show took forever to start due to technical difficulties. if you were there, you'd notice these difficulties manifesting itself on the show/clinic itself once or twice.
secondly, i wouldn't call those JCM2000's as his bare minimum. and i hope someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think he was using his own pedalboard (at the very least i'm almost sure those weren't borrowed from Yupangco's stock). either way, i'd say all these were the most preferrable for him that were in hand at the time.
in any case, all these are beside the point. i think what's important from Nuno's point of view is that he believes it's from the fingers, and it's worked for him throughout his career.
gear, fingers... these are just means to an end. people will prioritize one over the other. on the other hand, i don't think it's mere coincidence that most of the greats have been, are and will be remembered more for their playing (as well as songs) much rather than the gear they used.
these are just observations, by the way. can't just voice an opinion when we don't really have an agreed upon definition of tone.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: SDMF on April 16, 2006, 02:00:42 AM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Quote from: SDMF
For a position running a city, province or country dapat required at least may college degree!
I mean kung college professor nga e...ilang estudyante/sections lang hawak nyan pero required sya na may Masters Degree...Un pa kaya magpatakbo ng bansa??!! Buhay ng mga Pilipino nakataya dito! :mrgreen:
I just want to make it clear that the constitution is FAIR and LOGICAL. The requirement TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT is at least being a natural-born Filipino and literate. But then, it does not stop there. IT IS THE VOTE OF THE PEOPLE that puts political candidates in office. So even some grade school dropout can file for candidacy, but then again, if people won't vote for him/her then so what? Remember that clown Eddie Gil?
Fair and Logical? well that's because its already written there...At the very least though, all these things does not end with the constitution itself. The constitution can be changed. 8)
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 16, 2006, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Al_Librero
from what i've heard, the show took forever to start due to technical difficulties. if you were there, you'd notice these difficulties manifesting itself on the show/clinic itself once or twice.
secondly, i wouldn't call those JCM2000's as his bare minimum. and i hope someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think he was using his own pedalboard (at the very least i'm almost sure those weren't borrowed from Yupangco's stock). either way, i'd say all these were the most preferrable for him that were in hand at the time.
in any case, all these are beside the point. i think what's important from Nuno's point of view is that he believes it's from the fingers, and it's worked for him throughout his career.
gear, fingers... these are just means to an end. people will prioritize one over the other. on the other hand, i don't think it's mere coincidence that most of the greats have been, are and will be remembered more for their playing (as well as songs) much rather than the gear they used.
these are just observations, by the way. can't just voice an opinion when we don't really have an agreed upon definition of tone.
sounds good.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: SDMF on April 16, 2006, 02:10:41 AM
Quote from: Al_Librero
these are just observations, by the way. can't just voice an opinion when we don't really have an agreed upon definition of tone.
+1
and if there's no clear definition of what tone is...then its is subjective. :mrgreen:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 16, 2006, 02:27:37 AM
Quote from: Al_Librero
from what i've heard, the show took forever to start due to technical difficulties. if you were there, you'd notice these difficulties manifesting itself on the show/clinic itself once or twice.
secondly, i wouldn't call those JCM2000's as his bare minimum. and i hope someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i think he was using his own pedalboard (at the very least i'm almost sure those weren't borrowed from Yupangco's stock). either way, i'd say all these were the most preferrable for him that were in hand at the time.
in any case, all these are beside the point. i think what's important from Nuno's point of view is that he believes it's from the fingers, and it's worked for him throughout his career.
gear, fingers... these are just means to an end. people will prioritize one over the other. on the other hand, i don't think it's mere coincidence that most of the greats have been, are and will be remembered more for their playing (as well as songs) much rather than the gear they used.
these are just observations, by the way. can't just voice an opinion when we don't really have an agreed upon definition of tone.
I recall that one side of the house speakers died for a while. When Nuno asked if there was sound coming out from them, someone in the audience said no. He answered "Oh [gooey brown stuff]..." After a while, he walked to the opposite side and the speakers miraculously worked again. Then he asked what happened and how did they work. Someone in the audience answered, "God's power <made them work>". Then Nuno answered, "I was standing on the other side... (smiles...) BAD JOKE..."
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: flyingratsass on April 16, 2006, 03:23:13 AM
pareho pero more on fingers.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: qwertyuiop on April 16, 2006, 04:10:03 AM
tone is from the gear. playing good and clean is from the fingass! :roll:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: deja vu on April 16, 2006, 06:45:41 AM
Palagay ko, "fingers" ang major contributor sa tone ng isang player. Minor lang yung gear.
Naalala ko nung college pa kami, nagpunta kami sa bahay nung kaklase ng kabarkada ko. E meron silang gitara, acoustic na luma na at medyo kinakalawang na yung strings. Syempre inuman = kantahan, ako usually nagigitara dahil human jukebox ako noong araw e.
Pagkatapos n g session namin, sinabi sa akin nung kaklase ng kabarakda ko na bakit daw ang pangit ng tunog ng gitara nila, pero nung tumugtog daw ako gumanda daw ang tunog nito.
Ewan ko lang kung lasing lang sya hehe.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 16, 2006, 07:51:28 AM
Sure our guitar heroes tell us that its all in the fingers but look at their gear arsenal. They have tons of gear and are always at the leading edge of equipment. Whats worse if its all in the fingers, why do they endorse gear like Fender, Gibson and Ibanez. Why dont they endorse RJ guitars?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 16, 2006, 07:57:34 AM
If they all truly sound the same, so why is Nuno with Washburn and not with Peavey? And why is EVH now with Charvel (which is under Fender)? Bakit dalawang o tatlong configuration pa ang soon to be NEW Washburn signature ni Nuno?
Kung sasabihin niyo na binayaran sila yet they praise and configure their own signature guitars to their own tonal/timbre preference that only means may limit lang ang fingers nila and they need their gear to get them beyond their fingers.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: oasgomez-is-banned on April 16, 2006, 08:04:49 AM
Abyss,
Agree on your point. Just remember SRV toward the end of his career also had limitless equipment at his disposal. He already started using Dumble when we were still learning to play guitar. Also, Cesar Diaz early in SRV's career was already doing things for him. SRV respected Cesar Diaz so much that he would take gear criticism from Cesar.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Al_Librero on April 16, 2006, 10:26:41 AM
Quote from: oasgomez
Sure our guitar heroes tell us that its all in the fingers but look at their gear arsenal. They have tons of gear and are always at the leading edge of equipment. Whats worse if its all in the fingers, why do they endorse gear like Fender, Gibson and Ibanez. Why dont they endorse RJ guitars?
Maybe because they've never heard of RJ guitars? hahahaha!
Secondly, a lot of big musicians don't use cutting edge equipment. Not by your standards, anyway.
But that's not my point. You're taking things too literally, man. The "all-in-the-fingers" line is practically a figure of speech. No one's discounting the effect of gear on tone. But what truly defines you as a musician is your own playing and songwriting. Gear are just tools (or as some artists would say, extensions of their own selves). That's what pretty much everyone has alluded to. I'm not sure why you can't accept that.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: abyssinianson on April 16, 2006, 10:34:35 AM
i remember when i first started playing with 13s on my strat - my fingers HURT but even though I tried to replicate a lot of what SRV's tone fundamentally had behind it. But then, I began finding out - gradually - that a lot of SRV's tone had to do with his vicious picking and fretting style. I mean, if you watch his earlier videos and up until he died, the guy basically DIGS into his guitar to play it. Then again, with 13s, you kinda have to.
I am just in awe whenever I see someone able to evoke subtle notes and vicious runs from such heavy strings.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: jplacson on April 16, 2006, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: oasgomez
If they all truly sound the same, so why is Nuno with Washburn and not with Peavey? And why is EVH now with Charvel (which is under Fender)? Bakit dalawang o tatlong configuration pa ang soon to be NEW Washburn signature ni Nuno?
THAT my friend is called "business". EVH originally signed with Ernie Ball (outside his own home made stuff). When EB couldn't keep up with the demand for the EVH guitars (seeing as EB guitars were all hand made), EVH got pissed and moved to Peavey (machined, not all made in the USA). Now he's with Charvel... but ALL these guitars are made to his spec.
Under license agreements, EB cannot sell any guitar with the EVH signature, but can still sell the same guitar without it... hence the EB Axis. Wait... there is a difference however... the pickups aren't quite the same as the original EVH EB. I think these were under contract as well from DiMarzio.
Why do these guys have different configs? Well, cuz they sound different... how different? 90% of the audience can't tell... like I said, it's a personal thing, if the player can hear the difference, that's all that matters. Fixed bridge, floating, one-way... they all make slight differences in tone. Strings... string BRAND, gauge, material, etc... also make a difference. I don't know if EVH still does his mucked up strings thing.
... gear-wise... that all depends on the player. I had a GuitarWorld that had a comparison between Steve Lukather and EVH's gear (this was back during the F.U.C.K. tour). EVH's signal goes almost straight to his amp... he has 2 cry babies (one acts as a signal booster) and a couple of rack reverbs/delays. That's it. While Steve had a huge rack with almost every single effect and processor you could imagine.
It's still a personal choice. As I said earlier, if having a huge rack of processors is what gives you the sound you hear in your head, then that's your sound. Others like the raw sound of the amp + guitar.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: fretburner on April 16, 2006, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: oasgomez
If they all truly sound the same, so why is Nuno with Washburn and not with Peavey? And why is EVH now with Charvel (which is under Fender)? Bakit dalawang o tatlong configuration pa ang soon to be NEW Washburn signature ni Nuno?
Kung sasabihin niyo na binayaran sila yet they praise and configure their own signature guitars to their own tonal/timbre preference that only means may limit lang ang fingers nila and they need their gear to get them beyond their fingers.
any person with an IQ over 15 knows that gear is an integral part of your tone. you cannot separate the amp from electric guitar playing, or the pickup from the electric guitar, etc etc. that's a no brainer. everyone here understands that. the argument is whether your gear contributes MORE to your tone, or is it your fingers.
every guitar player will tell you it's MORE with the fingers.
unless that guitar "player" is hiding behind his/her gear of course (again, refer to my example of marty friedman on a toneblaster and billy sheehan on a 20-watt practice amp)
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 16, 2006, 02:41:45 PM
Quote from: fretburner
Quote from: oasgomez
If they all truly sound the same, so why is Nuno with Washburn and not with Peavey? And why is EVH now with Charvel (which is under Fender)? Bakit dalawang o tatlong configuration pa ang soon to be NEW Washburn signature ni Nuno?
Kung sasabihin niyo na binayaran sila yet they praise and configure their own signature guitars to their own tonal/timbre preference that only means may limit lang ang fingers nila and they need their gear to get them beyond their fingers.
any person with an IQ over 15 knows that gear is an integral part of your tone. you cannot separate the amp from electric guitar playing, or the pickup from the electric guitar, etc etc. that's a no brainer. everyone here understands that. the argument is whether your gear contributes MORE to your tone, or is it your fingers.
every guitar player will tell you it's MORE with the fingers.
unless that guitar "player" is hiding behind his/her gear of course (again, refer to my example of marty friedman on a toneblaster and billy sheehan on a 20-watt practice amp)
If gear is an integral part, then how can we alleviate from this problem in the Philippines? Bad guitar recordings. Bad amps in the clubs. Not to mention that there is a plethora of bad guitars being used professionally. Kasi the real reason behind all this is our poverty. Check the "it really sucks to be poor" thread. Madaling sabihin, pera lang ang solusyon. "Lang" pala ha? Maybe there are some who can afford the really expensive ones, but they're too busy working on their next court hearing or their next surgical operation. The real musicians in this country can't afford the rock and roll lifestyle as we know it.
On the contrary, when people claim that they sound just as equally great on a Rage amp and a Boogie DC-5 (wag na yung boutique) is ridiculous.
Tone is a combination of technique and the proper choices in gear to support your style of playing. And to some extent, you must spend on that. As to how much, that varies from one person to another.
Think about it. Some might have 4 different distortion pedals that were bought brand new, but uses them through a Squier practice amp. If he just passed on the 3 pedals and bought a second-hand tube amp like a Mesa Subway Blues then he could have sounded much better.
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Post by: SDMF on April 16, 2006, 02:49:49 PM
hmmm....bad guitar recordings sa local music...i thought malaking factor din ung know-how dito...pano gamitin ang mga gamit.
Led Zepellin did not have the high tech gizmos modern artist enjoy today, but they sure sounded timeless in their records...they have made one of the best sounding albums of our time.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Letour on April 16, 2006, 03:03:52 PM
Quote from: SDMF
hmmm....bad guitar recordings sa local music...i thought malaking factor din ung know-how dito...pano gamitin ang mga gamit.
Led Zepellin did not have the high tech gizmos modern artist enjoy today, but they sure sounded timeless in their records...they have made one of the best sounding albums of our time.
Jimmy Page recorded with mics. He used also a second mike far away from the speaker cabinet. And since Led Zep recorded in the 70's, the same equipment would be outdated today.
In short, what I am trying to say is that for good guitar tones, it boils down to the guitar, the effects and the amp. Some guitar players rely too much with the effects and not the amp. Don't go direct box unles it's part of the effects loop starting with the amp.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 16, 2006, 03:32:20 PM
Quote from: SDMF
hmmm....bad guitar recordings sa local music...i thought malaking factor din ung know-how dito...pano gamitin ang mga gamit.
Led Zepellin did not have the high tech gizmos modern artist enjoy today, but they sure sounded timeless in their records...they have made one of the best sounding albums of our time.
Dude, check the Music Tech section. I posted a thread on Eddie Kramer's lectures. The idea is simple. No budget in the recording industry. But we wanna compete with the world. How's that?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Phil on April 16, 2006, 04:16:58 PM
tone is in the kuku...not fingers.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: stratman1 on April 16, 2006, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: Phil
tone is in the kuku...not fingers.
No, Phil. Fungus yun, hehe :lol:
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Post by: pallas on April 16, 2006, 05:05:53 PM
tone is in the PEDICURE 8) Kita ko noon yung kuko ni Nuno sa more than words....black, straight cut at elegantly Black :lol:
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Post by: stratman1 on April 16, 2006, 05:12:11 PM
Quote from: pallas
tone is in the PEDICURE 8) Kita ko noon yung kuko ni Nuno sa more than words....black, straight cut at elegantly Black :lol:
Kailangang solid top polish ang nasa kuku para fulltone ang sound. Pag highly polished, eh, medyo bright sound. Pag naman dull finish, warmer sound. So, kung kalalabas pa lang ng banyo, eh, di "BROWN SOUND", hahaha!!! :twisted: :lol:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: deltaslim on April 16, 2006, 07:22:18 PM
Quote from: oasgomez
He already started using Dumble when we were still learning to play guitar.
Really? Didn't SRV only get to play a Dumble only on his first recording because it was in Jackson Brown's studio where they recorded their first album? The Dumble was ostensibly the main amp for David Lindley, Brown's venerable slide guitarist.
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Post by: bunny rabbit on April 16, 2006, 07:29:50 PM
I'm sorry, but who's Nuno? :oops:
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Poundcake on April 16, 2006, 07:33:47 PM
Nuno sa punso! hehehe kidding.. they're referring to the great Nuno Bettencourt, Extreme's guitarist. :)
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: pallas on April 16, 2006, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: bunny rabbit
I'm sorry, but who's Nuno? :oops:
Your forgiven pre...14 years ago ba yun :D
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: bunny rabbit on April 16, 2006, 08:38:25 PM
Ahh kaya pala. 19 lang ako eh. Haha
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Post by: stratman1 on April 17, 2006, 05:25:53 AM
Quote from: bunny rabbit
Ahh kaya pala. 19 lang ako eh. Haha
19 ka? Ako 2... 2-tunga-tunganga lang araw araw, hehe :lol: . Sori, corny, no?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: glassjaw_jc on April 17, 2006, 09:25:31 AM
i still think RJ sounds great whatever he's using. no joke. i love his playing. i remember him demoing a hot cabs amp at galleria. made me think about the amp for a while. i had the same amp then and tweaked it to death to get an acceptable sound. but i never got close to what i heard when RJ was playing to the same amp model. oh, he was using an RJ Raven. the most entry level of all RJ entry level guitars way back. so i guess... must be the player then.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: fretburner on April 17, 2006, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
If gear is an integral part, then how can we alleviate from this problem in the Philippines? Bad guitar recordings. Bad amps in the clubs. Not to mention that there is a plethora of bad guitars being used professionally. Kasi the real reason behind all this is our poverty. Check the "it really sucks to be poor" thread. Madaling sabihin, pera lang ang solusyon. "Lang" pala ha? Maybe there are some who can afford the really expensive ones, but they're too busy working on their next court hearing or their next surgical operation. The real musicians in this country can't afford the rock and roll lifestyle as we know it.
i don't understand why you have to quote me with this. maybe you really are oasgomez.
and what is all the mumbling about "alleviating" whoeverthefvckthisguitaristmaybe? this is not even about expensive or cheap gear.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: greasykid on April 17, 2006, 04:12:23 PM
Quote from: bunny rabbit
Ahh kaya pala. 19 lang ako eh. Haha
Pero dude andito lang si Nuno last year. Sayang, sana napanood mo siya...
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 17, 2006, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: fretburner
Quote from: skunkyfunk
If gear is an integral part, then how can we alleviate from this problem in the Philippines? Bad guitar recordings. Bad amps in the clubs. Not to mention that there is a plethora of bad guitars being used professionally. Kasi the real reason behind all this is our poverty. Check the "it really sucks to be poor" thread. Madaling sabihin, pera lang ang solusyon. "Lang" pala ha? Maybe there are some who can afford the really expensive ones, but they're too busy working on their next court hearing or their next surgical operation. The real musicians in this country can't afford the rock and roll lifestyle as we know it.
i don't understand why you have to quote me with this. maybe you really are oasgomez.
and what is all the mumbling about "alleviating" whoeverthefvckthisguitaristmaybe? this is not even about expensive or cheap gear.
Fretburner, try checking the sleeve of your favorite foreign album. Email the album producer with 5 of your favorite local recordings and ask what he has to say about the recording quality. Isama mo na ang Parokya Ni Edgar's Halaga. In this case we're zeroing in on record production alone. When was the last time you were wowed by a local album from a tonal sense? Bihira.
You're missing the point. I am enlightening each and every serious musician that there is a problem with production values, and gear always comes into play, whether you believe it or not. Hence, we should be looking for solutions to that problem. The question is, how can we par in a world-class sense with the cheap equipment we have now?
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: flyingratsass on April 19, 2006, 10:17:56 PM
good gear will give you good tone. but it's your playing that will make it great.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: lykenhowl on April 21, 2006, 03:49:39 AM
Gears only produce SOUND...It will be up to your fingers to produce a good TONE out of it.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: renz_sui on April 21, 2006, 09:29:14 AM
lol, tone is in the ears (or brain technically) of the beholder!
If you are very satisfied playing through a 10 watts rage amp and a century distortion and you say that eric johnson's tone sucks, then who in the world has the right to judge your tone!
Technically, it's the gear pero kung subjective ang paguusapan, sa tenga ng tumutugtog at nakikinig yun.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: fretburner on April 21, 2006, 12:50:13 PM
Quote from: skunkyfunk
Fretburner, try checking the sleeve of your favorite foreign album. Email the album producer with 5 of your favorite local recordings and ask what he has to say about the recording quality. Isama mo na ang Parokya Ni Edgar's Halaga. In this case we're zeroing in on record production alone. When was the last time you were wowed by a local album from a tonal sense? Bihira.
You're missing the point. I am enlightening each and every serious musician that there is a problem with production values, and gear always comes into play, whether you believe it or not. Hence, we should be looking for solutions to that problem. The question is, how can we par in a world-class sense with the cheap equipment we have now?
don't quote me then.
Title: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Ag3nt on April 24, 2006, 11:00:39 AM
in oasgomez's case, i would say "its in the gear"
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: poposplanet on May 27, 2008, 05:17:34 AM
Anyway, I have been playing for around 14 years na. Consistent ang tunog ko kahit anong gamit. My playing basically sucks kaya walang kwenta kahit ano pa ang gamitin ko. Hehehehe... :wink:
natawa ko dito sa post na 'to ah. nabuga ko yung iniinom kong kape sa opisina.
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: digitalcyco on May 27, 2008, 06:35:52 AM
natawa ko dito sa post na 'to ah. nabuga ko yung iniinom kong kape sa opisina.
this thread has long long long long been dead.
magkano ba magpa scalarizer ng daliri? :lol:
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: xelalien on May 27, 2008, 08:02:34 AM
hinalungkat ang thread :D here we go again.....
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Deemed on May 27, 2008, 08:04:41 AM
Hesusmaryosep! nabuhay ulit to. :lol:
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: bumbum on May 27, 2008, 09:23:14 AM
sa mga fingerstyle at calssical guitarists, tone really is in the right hand. syempre pag music na kailangan ang gear talaga,ibang usapan na yun.. yung pedal na ang nagcocomand ng magiging tone mo pag ganun. :|
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: itchybrain on May 27, 2008, 09:25:55 AM
Oh no... Nat agen...
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Phil on May 27, 2008, 09:30:24 AM
....granting that you have good guitar skills already.
....you would sound awesome with awesome gear.
...so for me......build up your chops first then invest in good gear.
.... or good gear can also inspire you to build up your chops.
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: jay martin on May 27, 2008, 11:17:22 AM
sa mga fingerstyle at calssical guitarists, tone really is in the right hand. syempre pag music na kailangan ang gear talaga,ibang usapan na yun.. yung pedal na ang nagcocomand ng magiging tone mo pag ganun. :|
amen. :-)
nabuhay pa ulit to ah. :-D
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: Lahed92801 on May 27, 2008, 01:54:31 PM
Tone tone. Kalokohan lang yan :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: badongrodrigs on May 27, 2008, 03:14:26 PM
wow classic thread! hehe
a guitarist who plays well and has good gear will sound awesome. but, replace his awesome gear with crappy ones and then you'll get an OK sound with good playing.
a guitarist who has good gear but but sucks at playing will NOT sound awesome. moreover, replace his awesome gear with crappy ones and then you'll get a walk-out. HAHA
in a similar perspective, Yngwie will sound like Yngwie even if he doesn't play a strat;
Satriani will STILL sound like Satriani even if he played uber crappy gear. here's proof.
Title: Re: Tone: Is it in the fingers or the gear?
Post by: william251082 on May 27, 2008, 04:07:04 PM
wala naman sigurong professional classical guitarist na gagamit ng pangit na classical guitar.
hindi naman siguro papayag si pat metheny na mag-concert tour using ung mga crappy gitara sa raon.
but tone is totally in the fingers! puwera na lang kung sobrang lakas ng distortion mo! wala ka ng maririnig na nuance ng picking dun eh o sangkatutak na effects ang gamit mo!
Title: Re: MODS: please bomb this silly topic that was resurrected from the dead...
Post by: blues2death on May 28, 2008, 05:44:32 AM
do you cover this in your counselling sessions eh psychic sushi? :roll:
Title: Re: MODS: please bomb this silly topic that was resurrected from the dead...
Post by: psychic_sushi on May 28, 2008, 08:14:20 AM
do you cover this in your counselling sessions eh psychic sushi? :roll:
Man, this is an old thread I did when I was still a newbie here, and done when these "topics" weren't so hackneyed. Threads like these nowadays, in most music forums every where else are shot down immediately.
It's pretty stupid that someone had to come up and revive it. Honestly, whoever did must've had knowledge of its existence or scanned my posts or something... I wont comment further, let a newbie act dumb so he may wisen up by the time he becomes a philmusicus addictus...
As for covering this topic in my sessions... the answer is NO.
In a nutshell, what I teach in the sessions is music, and improvisation in light of the elements of it, and the joys of composing on-the-fly. Your tone will follow when your skills are solid. Thats a given.
Title: Re: MODS: please bomb this silly topic that was resurrected from the dead...
Post by: Jim Ayson on May 28, 2008, 08:18:00 AM
huh! wonder why this thread lived so long. it's locked now, and will be blasted to atoms in a while.