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Post by: SexyLicks on March 25, 2017, 10:09:06 PM
 :? So what do should I expect when switching to tube amp?

Any good tube amps suggestions that can be bought locally?

I like Warm Round sounding amps :D
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: r_chino18 on March 25, 2017, 10:21:21 PM
As with any "amp recommendation" thread.... there are a few questions that need answers when you're looking for an amp. Just to trim it down to be closer to what you're looking for. "Warm round sounding amps" is a pretty vague definition, honestly..

1. What's your budget?
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need?
3. Any notable clean sound you're after?
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after?
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you?
6. Do you need an fx loop?

Lots of locally available tube amps nowadays both from the big-name brands and from a few newcomers. And a lot more info on the web for references on what to expect when switching to a tube amp, maintenance, technicalities, etc..
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: jgmredor on March 25, 2017, 10:52:33 PM
:? So what do should I expect when switching to tube amp?

Any good tube amps suggestions that can be bought locally?

I like Warm Round sounding amps :D

Expect:

1. Tubes last... Not forever but long enough if taken care of
2. There's a standby switch. Use this before/after playing to warm up/cool down
3. The hotter the tubes are the better they sound
4. Don't touch the tubes when in use or right after use

Re: warm sounding amps... There's a whole lot that goes into the equation aside from the amp. Guitar, pickups, speaker, enclosure, strings and even the pick that you use.

Just try everything, bring your guitar to be sure it sounds the way you want it to when you get home. 😊

Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: SexyLicks on March 26, 2017, 06:16:03 AM
As with any "amp recommendation" thread.... there are a few questions that need answers when you're looking for an amp. Just to trim it down to be closer to what you're looking for. "Warm round sounding amps" is a pretty vague definition, honestly..

Here sir :) Some answers

1. What's your budget? 7-12k
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need? not sure about this one but if it was solid state around 20-30W
3. Any notable clean sound you're after? I Like Fender cleans or Marshall lead(it sounds different from jcms)
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? Zendrive? Dumble like
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you?
Equal I guess
6. Do you need an fx loop? Nope

Lots of locally available tube amps nowadays both from the big-name brands and from a few newcomers. And a lot more info on the web for references on what to expect when switching to a tube amp, maintenance, technicalities, etc..
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on March 26, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
1. True. I have tubes from 70s, 80s amps that still run relatively strong today.
2. Wrong. Standby switches are there to keep the B+ voltage out of the plates so the tubes aren't stressed even as they are turned on. It has nothing to do with warming up or cooling down.
3. Wrong again. Tube temperature has nothing to do with tone, and while tube amps biased on the "hot" end (ie idle current dissipation of about 70% above) are touted by some as better sounding, not everyone will appreciate the earlier break up / early saturation resulting from this hot biasing. Also, this "hot equals better tone" nonsense may lead someone into biasing his amp into red-plating, which is something you don't want. You'd end up with shorter tube life and potentially more expensive repairs.

Expect:

1. Tubes last... Not forever but long enough if taken care of
2. There's a standby switch. Use this before/after playing to warm up/cool down
3. The hotter the tubes are the better they sound
4. Don't touch the tubes when in use or right after use

Re: warm sounding amps... There's a whole lot that goes into the equation aside from the amp. Guitar, pickups, speaker, enclosure, strings and even the pick that you use.

Just try everything, bring your guitar to be sure it sounds the way you want it to when you get home. 😊



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Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: r_chino18 on March 26, 2017, 02:08:54 PM
Here sir :) Some answers

1. What's your budget? 7-12k
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need? not sure about this one but if it was solid state around 20-30W
3. Any notable clean sound you're after? I Like Fender cleans or Marshall lead(it sounds different from jcms)
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? Zendrive? Dumble like
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you? Equal I guess
6. Do you need an fx loop? Nope

So it's a 7-12k tube amp that has "Fender cleans" with a "Dumble-like" drive... Interesting.

A bit tricky to work with that limited budget.. You "might" be able to slightly pull it off with a VHT Special 6 since that will be within your budget, but it won't compare with a 20-30 watt SS amp.
Similarly, you can opt to go for a used Fender Blues Junior but you'd have to stretch your budget to at least 20k.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on March 26, 2017, 06:24:34 PM
1. Good luck getting a brand new tube amp at that price range.
2. 30w is what you need for gigging at the very least. Make sure your driver / speaker is efficient as well.
3. You're asking too much given your budget.
4. See no. 3. Also, I doubt anyone in this forum has ever used a Dumble so if you think you know what a Dumble sounds, you're probably wrong.
5. See no. 3
6. Should be easy.


1. What's your budget? 7-12k
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need? not sure about this one but if it was solid state around 20-30W
3. Any notable clean sound you're after? I Like Fender cleans or Marshall lead(it sounds different from jcms)
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? Zendrive? Dumble like
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you? Equal I guess
6. Do you need an fx loop? Nope

Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: gandydancer123 on March 27, 2017, 11:50:58 AM
present! this month lang ako nagtry, nagka chance kasi may nagbenta ng handwired 3-5watt amp na maliit at magaan at may plexi glass  circuit display, grabe, di naman siya super highend or branded, pero dapat dati ko pa ginawa to..di ko na ginagamit yung blackstar beam ko..and for the longest time, solidstates at small digital amps lang gamit ko..microcube,...closest ko is blackstar ht1r and a orange microterror..pero was a brief stint....ibang iba..hhehe..

di lang ako maka GAS ng husto ng better bigger amps..kasi hassle sa pag lipad or pag travel sa laki at bigat, and di ko naman mabibirit ng husto sa bahay... though gusto ko kahit 1x12..hahaha

pero im a convert...lalo sa fuzz pedals..mas maganda yung output.. now I know bakit mga nakakadeal ko na top gitarista dito puro tube amp gamit

(http://www.biyang.nl/images/stories/virtuemart/product/wangs-vt5hw.png)
(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/201633/4d6f533e9ab1d_201633b.jpg)

di naman siya ganun ka fender deluxe reverb tone pero, ok nadin for the price and the convenience..
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on March 27, 2017, 02:56:12 PM
I love you Titser_marco. <3 very enlightening and I agree with your points.

plus, kung papasukan mo lang din nung ZOOM G1XNext, wag na muna siguro tube amp ang banatan mo. solid state na muna.

OTOH, you can get a Goldea AT30 for around 12K. that amp has decent Fender cleans. needs a pedal to go into distortion though.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on March 27, 2017, 04:57:15 PM
I love you Titser_marco. <3 very enlightening and I agree with your points.

plus, kung papasukan mo lang din nung ZOOM G1XNext, wag na muna siguro tube amp ang banatan mo. solid state na muna.

OTOH, you can get a Goldea AT30 for around 12K. that amp has decent Fender cleans. needs a pedal to go into distortion though.
I do remember used Goldea AT30 units being sold here for around that much or even lower. Wanted to buy one just so I could rip the circuitry and just use the transformers for a new amp build altogether

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Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: r_chino18 on March 27, 2017, 05:30:48 PM
I do remember used Goldea AT30 units being sold here for around that much or even lower. Wanted to buy one just so I could rip the circuitry and just use the transformers for a new amp build altogether

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Ako naman curious sa Goldea Classic 20 (based on a Fender 5E3 daw) nung may binebenta dati sa ads. Hindi nga lang nag materialize.  :lol:

I love you Titser_marco. <3 very enlightening and I agree with your points.
plus, kung papasukan mo lang din nung ZOOM G1XNext, wag na muna siguro tube amp ang banatan mo. solid state na muna.
OTOH, you can get a Goldea AT30 for around 12K. that amp has decent Fender cleans. needs a pedal to go into distortion though.

+1

Pero honestly Ralph, practice rig ko ngayon ay isang small hybrid tube amp paired with a Korg AX3G. Hahaha! *flame suit on*
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on March 27, 2017, 05:48:56 PM
I do remember used Goldea AT30 units being sold here for around that much or even lower. Wanted to buy one just so I could rip the circuitry and just use the transformers for a new amp build altogether

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yeap. I heard the circuit is mod friendly. Mang Raul has his version of a Hotrod mod to make it sound like a Fender Hot Rod.

if you look at it nga, parang sobrang wala nang pagkakakitaan yung amp at 12k hahaha emininence speakers, 3 12ax7 Rubys, 2 6l6 Rubys, all wood cab, bang for buck talaga eh.


Ako naman curious sa Goldea Classic 20 (based on a Fender 5E3 daw) nung may binebenta dati sa ads. Hindi nga lang nag materialize.  :lol:

+1

Pero honestly Ralph, practice rig ko ngayon ay isang small hybrid tube amp paired with a Korg AX3G. Hahaha! *flame suit on*

but then again, practice rig eh! hahaha

hybrid naman paps Chino, not counted daw =))

practice rig ko is a Blackstar IDcore20. solb na =))
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on March 27, 2017, 06:41:58 PM
If I'm not mistaken, that Goldea design is an exact clone of either the HotRod Deluxe, Blues Deluxe, or Blues Deville. Either way, yes, they pretty much belong to the same Fender family of circuits so it's mod friendly that way. What's not mod friendly though is its PCB construction, although I cannot confirm if it's indeed made that way. In any case, Raul is a pro so he can mod pretty much any circuit config - I'm just a hobbyist so I'm more comfortable with larger PTP construction.

yeap. I heard the circuit is mod friendly. Mang Raul has his version of a Hotrod mod to make it sound like a Fender Hot Rod.

if you look at it nga, parang sobrang wala nang pagkakakitaan yung amp at 12k hahaha emininence speakers, 3 12ax7 Rubys, 2 6l6 Rubys, all wood cab, bang for buck talaga eh.


but then again, practice rig eh! hahaha

hybrid naman paps Chino, not counted daw =))

practice rig ko is a Blackstar IDcore20. solb na =))

Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on March 27, 2017, 06:45:42 PM
Of course it won't sound like a Tweed Deluxe --- just looking at the tubes and controls, it seems closer to a Fender Champ (that's probably 1x12AX7 and 1x6V6 right there). That's a single ended power section, whereas the Deluxe is a push-pull AB circuit. Can't remember what the phase inverter design is in the Deluxe, but that may be another difference.


present! this month lang ako nagtry, nagka chance kasi may nagbenta ng handwired 3-5watt amp na maliit at magaan at may plexi glass  circuit display, grabe, di naman siya super highend or branded, pero dapat dati ko pa ginawa to..di ko na ginagamit yung blackstar beam ko..and for the longest time, solidstates at small digital amps lang gamit ko..microcube,...closest ko is blackstar ht1r and a orange microterror..pero was a brief stint....ibang iba..hhehe..

di lang ako maka GAS ng husto ng better bigger amps..kasi hassle sa pag lipad or pag travel sa laki at bigat, and di ko naman mabibirit ng husto sa bahay... though gusto ko kahit 1x12..hahaha

pero im a convert...lalo sa fuzz pedals..mas maganda yung output.. now I know bakit mga nakakadeal ko na top gitarista dito puro tube amp gamit

(http://www.biyang.nl/images/stories/virtuemart/product/wangs-vt5hw.png)
(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/201633/4d6f533e9ab1d_201633b.jpg)

di naman siya ganun ka fender deluxe reverb tone pero, ok nadin for the price and the convenience..
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: gandydancer123 on March 27, 2017, 06:46:47 PM
Of course it won't sound like a Tweed Deluxe --- just looking at the tubes and controls, it seems closer to a Fender Champ (that's probably 1x12AX7 and 1x6V6 right there). That's a single ended power section, whereas the Deluxe is a push-pull AB circuit. Can't remember what the phase inverter design is in the Deluxe, but that may be another difference.

yes! its based on the champ..hehe wow, you know your amps!  :)
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: SexyLicks on March 27, 2017, 08:46:50 PM
Let me fix it guys sounds wrong.

Here sir :) Some answers corrected

1. What's your budget? 15-20k (Adjusted)
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need? For my room or pwede din pang gig somewhere around 20-30 watts equivalent if Solid state
3. Any notable clean sound you're after? Something close to fender. Where do you guys get that Goldea stuff?
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? If drive from a Pedal I like Zendrive or any zendrive clone like Rumble drive from mooer.
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you?
Cleans more
6. Do you need an fx loop? Nope

Hope this helps :)
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on March 27, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
3. GuitarPusher used to carry this brand, and for a time I saw it at Lazer (or was it Lyric?).

4. Since you like those pedals, why not get those pedals instead? It'll save you a lot of trouble, TBH.

Let me fix it guys sounds wrong.

Here sir :) Some answers corrected

1. What's your budget? 15-20k (Adjusted)
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need? For my room or pwede din pang gig somewhere around 20-30 watts equivalent if Solid state
3. Any notable clean sound you're after? Something close to fender. Where do you guys get that Goldea stuff?
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? If drive from a Pedal I like Zendrive or any zendrive clone like Rumble drive from mooer.
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you?
Cleans more
6. Do you need an fx loop? Nope

Hope this helps :)



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Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: r_chino18 on March 27, 2017, 09:33:14 PM
Let me fix it guys sounds wrong.

Here sir :) Some answers corrected

1. What's your budget? 15-20k (Adjusted)
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need? For my room or pwede din pang gig somewhere around 20-30 watts equivalent if Solid state
3. Any notable clean sound you're after? Something close to fender. Where do you guys get that Goldea stuff?
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? If drive from a Pedal I like Zendrive or any zendrive clone like Rumble drive from mooer.
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you?
Cleans more
6. Do you need an fx loop? Nope

Hope this helps :)

used Fender Blues Junior (15W) or a used Blackstar HT-20 (20W) or a used Peavey Classic30 (30W).. you can sometimes find them within your budget range.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: joel_marcelo on March 27, 2017, 10:47:56 PM
Bumili ka na lang ng Laney Cub12r para magamay mo magkatube amp. Andami sa classifieds or sa mga fb group. Disente na din tumunog yun mura pa. Tutal tone is in the fingerzzz naman.

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Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on March 27, 2017, 11:27:25 PM
Great suggestion. Those Cub amps are actually pretty good except for the speakers.
Bumili ka na lang ng Laney Cub12r para magamay mo magkatube amp. Andami sa classifieds or sa mga fb group. Disente na din tumunog yun mura pa. Tutal tone is in the fingerzzz naman.

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Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: nicoyow on March 27, 2017, 11:53:03 PM


3. Any notable clean sound you're after? Something close to fender. Where do you guys get that Goldea stuff?
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? If drive from a Pedal I like Zendrive or any zendrive clone like Rumble drive from mooer.
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you?
Cleans more


What I suggest is.

Will cost you around 8-9k
(http://i.imgur.com/LOPfKi6.jpg)

Then 1.5k
(http://i.imgur.com/icumd8A.png)

or this. Same value.
(http://i.imgur.com/sF5aMqF.jpg)

Total: More or less 10k. You saved 5k-10k mate.

Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: techbp on March 28, 2017, 05:55:03 AM
Bumili ka na lang ng Laney Cub12r para magamay mo magkatube amp. Andami sa classifieds or sa mga fb group. Disente na din tumunog yun mura pa. Tutal tone is in the fingerzzz naman.

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+1 with this. I mean with the Laney Cub12r not the tone is in the fingerzzz hehe.

Laney 12r bro try mo yan. Kulang kase budget mo for a tube amp kaya wala ako maisip masuggest pa. Pero kung mag iipon ka pa konti at gawin mong 30-35k budget... yan, madami dami ka na din choices.
I owned a Blackstar HT Club 40, yun napaka flexible na amp kung marunong ka lang mag dial. Second hand niyan makakabili ka ng 25k :-) Tsambahan nga lang
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: curiousdcat on March 28, 2017, 09:35:16 AM
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(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/201633/4d6f533e9ab1d_201633b.jpg)



Sorry, off-topic but that amp's name implies it is a chick magnet/killer!  :-D
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on March 28, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
Bumili ka na lang ng Laney Cub12r para magamay mo magkatube amp. Andami sa classifieds or sa mga fb group. Disente na din tumunog yun mura pa. Tutal tone is in the fingerzzz naman.

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+1 Cub12 nga siguro muna or Goldea AT15. sa Cub10 ako natuto ng pros and cons ng tube amps. baby steps muna I guess.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: gandydancer123 on March 28, 2017, 09:49:17 AM
super convert na talaga ako...as much as I can, space willing, weight willing,acceptable volume level willing..tube all the way na...cant believe ngayon ko lang ginawa hehe

and totoo...baby steps muna
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: burnthyfret on April 04, 2017, 03:22:02 PM
Laney cub tapos pedals pwede na yun pambahay.  :wave:
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: lolwat on April 04, 2017, 07:08:41 PM
:? So what do should I expect when switching to tube amp?

Any good tube amps suggestions that can be bought locally?

I like Warm Round sounding amps :D

Hmm, what to expect...

As someone who owns a tube amp, and a solid state amp, both of comparable power and volume capabilities, here are some of my observations:
1. A tube amp will almost always "receive" your pedals "better" than solid state amps - in other words, more pedal-friendly, due to the softer treble and natural tendency of the circuit to compress "misbehaving" frequencies
2. A tube amp will 99.9% of the time sound louder than a solid state one, despite similar wattage ratings. Even a 30 watt Ibanez TS tube head was capable of drowning out my Marshall MG100 amp, despite the latter's volume controls being set to 10.
3. You will feel more satisfied with the sound of the tube amp. It's an experience that's hard to describe in words, but whether you plug your guitar in directly without pedals, or with a full pedalboard of effects, you can count on a loud tube amplifier to "embrace" you with a sound that makes you want to keep playing.
4. You will have to know the numbers and names of people who can service your amp, in case it's time to change out the tubes. I personally trust Mang Raul Quesada for repairs and technical stuff, but I have successfully added some bias points to my amp so I can change out the tubes myself if ever the need arises.

Good luck bro. You are taking part in a decades-long tradition of playing through the original definitions (definers?) of great electric guitar tone. I'm sure you'll like it a lot.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Skybox on April 05, 2017, 08:54:20 AM
Once you go tube...
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 05, 2017, 09:09:13 AM
may ritemed ba nito? :D
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Skybox on April 05, 2017, 12:43:39 PM
may ritemed ba nito? :D

Very good papi hindi ka nahiyang magtanong LOL  :lol:
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: gandydancer123 on April 05, 2017, 01:42:15 PM
Hmm, what to expect...

As someone who owns a tube amp, and a solid state amp, both of comparable power and volume capabilities, here are some of my observations:
1. A tube amp will almost always "receive" your pedals "better" than solid state amps - in other words, more pedal-friendly, due to the softer treble and natural tendency of the circuit to compress "misbehaving" frequencies
2. A tube amp will 99.9% of the time sound louder than a solid state one, despite similar wattage ratings. Even a 30 watt Ibanez TS tube head was capable of drowning out my Marshall MG100 amp, despite the latter's volume controls being set to 10.
3. You will feel more satisfied with the sound of the tube amp. It's an experience that's hard to describe in words, but whether you plug your guitar in directly without pedals, or with a full pedalboard of effects, you can count on a loud tube amplifier to "embrace" you with a sound that makes you want to keep playing.
4. You will have to know the numbers and names of people who can service your amp, in case it's time to change out the tubes. I personally trust Mang Raul Quesada for repairs and technical stuff, but I have successfully added some bias points to my amp so I can change out the tubes myself if ever the need arises.

Good luck bro. You are taking part in a decades-long tradition of playing through the original definitions (definers?) of great electric guitar tone. I'm sure you'll like it a lot.

good stuff!
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Skybox on April 06, 2017, 04:20:09 PM
3. You will feel more satisfied with the sound of the tube amp. It's an experience that's hard to describe in words, but whether you plug your guitar in directly without pedals, or with a full pedalboard of effects, you can count on a loud tube amplifier to "embrace" you with a sound that makes you want to keep playing.

good stuff!

I like this as well kasi sobrang totoo. Problem is, after masanay sa tube amps, when I auditioned the new Marshall Code 25 and 50 @ JB it literally felt stiff on my picking hand. Hinahanap hanap ko yung sag at yung compression. Masasanay ang brain mo sa response ng tube amps kaya proceed with caution.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 06, 2017, 04:53:32 PM
I like this as well kasi sobrang totoo. Problem is, after masanay sa tube amps, when I auditioned the new Marshall Code 25 and 50 @ JB it literally felt stiff on my picking hand. Hinahanap hanap ko yung sag at yung compression. Masasanay ang brain mo sa response ng tube amps kaya proceed with caution.

kaya nga once you go tube... wala na sa fingers ang tone HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Skybox on April 06, 2017, 05:36:02 PM
kaya nga once you go tube... wala na sa fingers ang tone HAHAHAHAHA

Unless your fingers have sag... Hohoho  :lol:
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: SexyLicks on April 07, 2017, 09:09:20 PM
kaya nga once you go tube... wala na sa fingers ang tone HAHAHAHAHA

haha
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: gandydancer123 on April 07, 2017, 09:36:13 PM
Di ko na nga ginagamit yung blackstar beam .. pang home music speaker nalang suya recebtly
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on April 08, 2017, 06:54:15 AM
Agreed sa lahat ng points. If anythin, modelers and some solid state amps have come really close to nailing -- if not completely nailing --- tube amp tone. Playability and dynamic response of tube amps on the other hand have yet to be modeled accurately by any of the devices out there.

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Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: dullFingers on April 08, 2017, 10:56:29 AM
I have always wanted to shift to tube amps. However, the lack of qualified tube amp techs here in our province is a big deterrent for me.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 10, 2017, 10:05:36 AM
Di ko na nga ginagamit yung blackstar beam .. pang home music speaker nalang suya recebtly

still an awesome practice/bedroom amp. I like the fact na you can practice lots of different tones without needing a pedal board hahaha
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: curiousdcat on April 10, 2017, 03:52:23 PM
Agreed sa lahat ng points. If anythin, modelers and some solid state amps have come really close if not completely nailed the tube tone. Playability and dynamic response of tube amps on the other hand have yet to be modeled accurately by any of the devices out there.

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Agree completely! As a listener, it might be hard to tell the diff between tube and SS amps but playing is something else completely! The "feel" of a tube amp is lot more inspiring.  :-D
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: slowspeeder on April 18, 2017, 08:58:43 AM
sound gets grittier as the tubes warm or gets hot. Doesn't naturally happen in a Ss.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: gandydancer123 on April 18, 2017, 01:14:23 PM
still an awesome practice/bedroom amp. I like the fact na you can practice lots of different tones without needing a pedal board hahaha

yes, a convenient piece of gear, best just to plug direct ..quick and hassle free
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: royc on April 18, 2017, 04:27:27 PM
Parang champ clone except may additional knobs and switch. I have a 57 champ clone gawa ni Mang Raul and I really like the tone.


present! this month lang ako nagtry, nagka chance kasi may nagbenta ng handwired 3-5watt amp na maliit at magaan at may plexi glass  circuit display, grabe, di naman siya super highend or branded, pero dapat dati ko pa ginawa to..di ko na ginagamit yung blackstar beam ko..and for the longest time, solidstates at small digital amps lang gamit ko..microcube,...closest ko is blackstar ht1r and a orange microterror..pero was a brief stint....ibang iba..hhehe..

di lang ako maka GAS ng husto ng better bigger amps..kasi hassle sa pag lipad or pag travel sa laki at bigat, and di ko naman mabibirit ng husto sa bahay... though gusto ko kahit 1x12..hahaha

pero im a convert...lalo sa fuzz pedals..mas maganda yung output.. now I know bakit mga nakakadeal ko na top gitarista dito puro tube amp gamit

(http://www.biyang.nl/images/stories/virtuemart/product/wangs-vt5hw.png)
(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/201633/4d6f533e9ab1d_201633b.jpg)

di naman siya ganun ka fender deluxe reverb tone pero, ok nadin for the price and the convenience..
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: royc on April 18, 2017, 04:32:01 PM
Let me fix it guys sounds wrong.

Here sir :) Some answers corrected

1. What's your budget? 15-20k (Adjusted)
-- pasok ang VHT or pagawa ka ng clone kay Mang Raul
2. How big and how loud an amp do you need? For my room or pwede din pang gig somewhere around 20-30 watts equivalent if Solid state
-- a 5W tube amp is very loud although not much clean headroom. A 15W tube amp will shake the walls of your bedroom.
3. Any notable clean sound you're after? Something close to fender. Where do you guys get that Goldea stuff?
4. Any notable overdriven sound you're after? If drive from a Pedal I like Zendrive or any zendrive clone like Rumble drive from mooer.
5. Is the clean or overdriven sound more important to you?
Cleans more
-- Most low watt tube amps have low clean headroom. You usually get a tube amp for the slightly distorted to distorted tone.
6. Do you need an fx loop? Nope

Hope this helps :)
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: royc on April 18, 2017, 04:37:21 PM
One more thing. Let us know if you will get a single channel tube amp para mabigyan ka ng tip pano gamitin. Medyo iba yan sa usual two channels na you can switch between clean and dirty. Sa single channel tube amp there is a way to make it go from clean to crunch just by changing how hard you pick or strum.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: titser_marco on April 18, 2017, 06:19:04 PM
*grabs popcorn as today's episode of "how can i make this about me" starts*
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: SexyLicks on April 19, 2017, 07:00:58 AM
Thanks for all the Input guys :D I found the right Tube amp for me now.

:D
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 19, 2017, 09:34:19 AM
Thanks for all the Input guys :D I found the right Tube amp for me now.

:D

what did you get bro? or what are you planning to get?

congrats!
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: mikomiko on April 20, 2017, 06:15:41 AM
IMHO its not that of a Big Step Coz probably by now you already mastered the art of tweaking them knobs and dialing the exact tone, I Love and Miss the Tone of My Solid State Marshall 4040 (Unless You wanna Play Louder LOL!) The Only Downside of playing With Tubes is They are F**ng Heavy to Carry Around and gig with it enjoy the new amp man!
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: SexyLicks on April 20, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
what did you get bro? or what are you planning to get?

congrats!

A Fender Reverb or Tube Driver Amp :D
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: SexyLicks on April 20, 2017, 04:43:20 PM
IMHO its not that of a Big Step Coz probably by now you already mastered the art of tweaking them knobs and dialing the exact tone, I Love and Miss the Tone of My Solid State Marshall 4040 (Unless You wanna Play Louder LOL!) The Only Downside of playing With Tubes is They are F**ng Heavy to Carry Around and gig with it enjoy the new amp man!

Yah I just don't get the point why they're so heavy lolz.  :cry:
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: titser_marco on April 20, 2017, 05:11:36 PM
Yah I just don't get the point why they're so heavy lolz.  :cry:

The two transformers in tube amps are responsible for that.
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: r_chino18 on April 20, 2017, 06:31:35 PM
The two transformers in tube amps are responsible for that.

+1

Walang output transformer ang solid state amps, kaya safer gamitan ng higher impedance speaker at the cost of inefficiency. Ang tube amp may power transformer at output transformer. Tapos pag higher wattage pa, ang lalaki ng iron.   :wave:


EDIT:
Sayang naman kung idedelete itong thread. Daming helpful info from other forumers.
Title: Re: Switching to tube amps thread
Post by: LaXter on April 21, 2017, 07:50:37 AM
Yah I just don't get the point why they're so heavy lolz.  :cry:

Install ka ng gulong sa amp mo para at least di mo na kelangan buhatin. Just make sure na pwede malock yung gulong  :-D
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: Skybox on April 21, 2017, 08:43:56 AM
15 watters are generally easy to lug around naman and should be loud enough for most unmiced gigs. Otherwise, you can ask your bandmates to help you carry them around haha. Or get a trolley!
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 21, 2017, 11:30:35 AM
Or get a trolley!

this. I bought one of them trolleys in Divisoria. gets the job done. no need to break my back and knees hahaha
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: Skybox on April 21, 2017, 12:50:55 PM
this. I bought one of them trolleys in Divisoria. gets the job done. no need to break my back and knees hahaha

Anong klaseng trolley yan paps?
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 21, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
Anong klaseng trolley yan paps?

yung pangpalengke style! ganito lang paps:

(https://iak.olx.ph/images_olxph/822503397_1_261x203.jpg?bucket=10)


PHP 350 lang bili ko hahaha! tapos I just tie it up using those garter with hooks
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: ryechua on April 21, 2017, 02:44:25 PM
for bigger amps, pwede to. ganito ang gamit ko and its good for transporting and even for just moving the amp around the house. no need to drill holes to install wheels.

(https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1266_NpXXXXbZXVXXq6xXFXXXg/Tools-Trolley-Cart-without-Handle-Plastic-Garden.jpg)
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: Skybox on April 21, 2017, 02:52:00 PM
yung pangpalengke style! ganito lang paps:

(https://iak.olx.ph/images_olxph/822503397_1_261x203.jpg?bucket=10)


PHP 350 lang bili ko hahaha! tapos I just tie it up using those garter with hooks

Ah yup meron din ako nito pero mas gamit ko yung handtruck sa Ace kasi maliit tumupi. Katako lang din talaga i-trolley ang tube amps kasi natatagtag baka magka rattle yung tubes.
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: Skybox on April 21, 2017, 02:52:58 PM
for bigger amps, pwede to. ganito ang gamit ko and its good for transporting and even for just moving the amp around the house. no need to drill holes to install wheels.

(https://sc02.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1266_NpXXXXbZXVXXq6xXFXXXg/Tools-Trolley-Cart-without-Handle-Plastic-Garden.jpg)

Okay to ah kaso parang hindi masyadong sturdy.
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: ryechua on April 21, 2017, 03:36:46 PM
Okay to ah kaso parang hindi masyadong sturdy.

matibay naman. it can take my 20KG++ LC30 and ginamit ko na rin on other heavy objects sa bahay (cabinets, steel bars, disassembled bed frames, etc).
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on April 21, 2017, 04:45:56 PM
Ah yup meron din ako nito pero mas gamit ko yung handtruck sa Ace kasi maliit tumupi. Katako lang din talaga i-trolley ang tube amps kasi natatagtag baka magka rattle yung tubes.

lagyan mo ng rags sa ilalim papsi para "padded" at least yung shocks.

anong trolley yan? can I see a pic? :D


matibay naman. it can take my 20KG++ LC30 and ginamit ko na rin on other heavy objects sa bahay (cabinets, steel bars, disassembled bed frames, etc).


brother rye, where'd you get this and how much? :D
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: titser_marco on April 21, 2017, 07:45:15 PM
Ah yup meron din ako nito pero mas gamit ko yung handtruck sa Ace kasi maliit tumupi. Katako lang din talaga i-trolley ang tube amps kasi natatagtag baka magka rattle yung tubes.
If your tube amp is built to spec, it shouldn't be an issue. People used to tour around the chitlin circuit in the 50s in cars with their amps in tow.

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Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: ryechua on April 22, 2017, 01:12:01 PM
brother rye, where'd you get this and how much? :D

i think 29SGD. dito sa sg nung meron pang carrefour. try mo sa ace hardware?
Title: Re: Pls delete mods thanks.
Post by: curiousdcat on April 23, 2017, 08:57:56 AM
Make sure that the tubes have cooled down before lugging the amp around.  :)