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Title: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: zound_tech on November 24, 2006, 01:09:05 PM
mga sir,
balak po kc nila bumili nitong digital reference drum mic...
4 pcs lang..
wala pang condenser mics na kasama,
99$ lng kc
gs2 nila kc daw mura na ganda pa tunog...
tanong ko lang,
kUng ayos na yan tapos bili nlng ng 2 condenser mic,
or ung 7 pc set nlng kunin namin
w/c is 200$
or bili nlng dito,
my nakita kc ko sa jb dati na mura din eh,
nalimutan ko lng yung price...
salamat...



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Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on November 24, 2006, 01:45:18 PM
SAMSON mics (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29219.0.html)

DK-4 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1809&brandID=2) drum mic set
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/4-kit-web.jpg)

DK-5 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1677&brandID=2) drum mic set
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/5-kit-web.jpg)

DK-7 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1678&brandID=2) drum mic set
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/7-kit-web.jpg)

DK-8 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1772&brandID=2) drum mic set
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/8Kit-web.jpg)

C02H (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1891&brandID=2) half pencil condenser mic
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/C02H-web.jpg)

C02 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1664&brandID=2) pencil condenser mics
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/C02-web.jpg)

Q-Kick (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1674&brandID=2) kick drum mic
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/Q-Kick-web.jpg)

Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: killuaxp on November 25, 2006, 06:35:15 AM
sana pagcomplete na drumset ko tas may magandang mixer na ko pwd track rec makabili ako ng ganito... :lol:
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Agent_So on November 25, 2006, 10:28:05 AM
sir tarkuz, can you post price for each set.. thanks sir
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Lil' drummer on November 27, 2006, 07:50:25 AM
sir tarcuz post ka din ng mga match mixers for the drum mic yung pwede na i-hook sa pc for home recording purposes... thanks
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: peeves24 on November 27, 2006, 10:32:10 AM
sir tarkuz, meron din bang q snare mic na separate? q kick lang kasi nakita ko sa pricelist ninyo e
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on November 27, 2006, 02:36:20 PM
sir tarcuz post ka din ng mga match mixers for the drum mic yung pwede na i-hook sa pc for home recording purposes... thanks

PEAVEY mixer (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,29266.0.html)

PV 10 USB (http://www.peavey.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/116340/number/00512740/cat/86/begin/1/PV%AE+10+USB.cfm)
(http://www.peavey.com/images/fullsize/00512740.jpg)

Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Agent_So on November 27, 2006, 04:15:31 PM
guys, can you give reviews sa samson drum mics? yung mga nakagamit na dyan.. how bout the output it gives? comparable ba sa mga shure mics? how bout yung mga drum mic clips ok ba? thanks
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: xjepoyx on November 27, 2006, 04:42:37 PM
ive tried both shure and samson and also nady. mejo mas gs2 ko yung samson di ko alam kung bakit pero mas ok sya para sakin hehehe

Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Lil' drummer on November 28, 2006, 06:41:03 PM
nakatest nako ng dalawang drumset(pearl) with samson and shure mic configuration kaso 6pcs yung mic nya hihat, snare, toms(3) and kick... oks naman yung tunog ng samson mic setup pero mas ok yung shure :-D

hehehe nakisingit lang ako dun sa setup nila  :evil:
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Agent_So on December 19, 2006, 12:51:45 PM
anu difference ng co1 sa co2? kasi sa set ng samson dk7- co2 condensers dk8- co1.. mas latest ba co1? diba parang may co3 narin??
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: peeves24 on December 19, 2006, 12:57:07 PM
samson c01 - LDC
samson c02 - pencil type
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Agent_So on December 19, 2006, 01:00:37 PM
samson c01 - LDC
samson c02 - pencil type

bro anu meaning ng LDC?? parehas ba sila ng configuration?? i mean unidirectional sya? which is better? thanks
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: peeves24 on December 19, 2006, 01:03:30 PM
ldc - large diaphragm condenser

yung c02 small diaphragm

c01

(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/c01.jpg)

c02

(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/C02-web.jpg)

yup unidirectional, cardioid sila pareho. nagamit ko na pareho, bang for the buck. mas tahimik yang mga samson mics na yan kesa sa behringer c2 ko
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Lil' drummer on December 19, 2006, 01:21:41 PM
peeves:

anu na setup ng mic mo ngayon sa drums + mixer na ginagamit mo para sa mic... :-D
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: peeves24 on December 19, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
simple setup:

behringer ub1202 mixer
behringer c2 - overheads
shure pg52 - bass
shure sm57 - snare (hiram)

wala akong mics sa toms, kaya naman ng overheads e.

bibili ako ng jts mic sa music source pamalit sa sm57 kasi kukunin na nung may-ari  :-(
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Lil' drummer on December 19, 2006, 01:43:01 PM
good replacement ba yung jts mic for SM57... same spec din ba yun...

kamusta naman price alam ko kasi yung SM57 cost for Php5400 kung halos same lang baka kumuha din ako ng mic na ganun.
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: peeves24 on December 19, 2006, 01:49:12 PM
dude kung may budget ka for sm57 yun na kunin mo. ako kasi drums and cymbals priority ko kaya medyo masakit sa kin bumili ng more than 5k para sa isang mic

behringer c2 - 4500
shure pg52 - 4500
jts - almost half the price lang ng sm57

isang option ko pa yung q snare ng samson kaya lang mukang qkick lang ang nabibili ng separate sa audiophile
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Lil' drummer on December 19, 2006, 01:59:14 PM
hehehe kapos din tayo sa budget eh naghahanap din ako sa ngayon ng crash ko wala kasi akong setup na crash sa set ko kaya medyo tipid muna tayo :-D

start pa lang ako magpondo ng mic and mixer for drums :-D thanks!
Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on December 22, 2006, 06:14:42 PM
dude kung may budget ka for sm57 yun na kunin mo. ako kasi drums and cymbals priority ko kaya medyo masakit sa kin bumili ng more than 5k para sa isang mic

behringer c2 - 4500
shure pg52 - 4500
jts - almost half the price lang ng sm57

isang option ko pa yung q snare ng samson kaya lang mukang qkick lang ang nabibili ng separate sa audiophile

almost half the price lang ng sm57 nga, pero half the sound naman... hehe!

kulang budget para sa SM57? try Shure PG57! doon ka na sa siguradong brand!  8-)

Title: Re: drum mics
Post by: Lil' drummer on December 24, 2006, 08:27:24 PM
thanks sir tarkuz, ask ko naman about the new LDC of samson? C15 model compare sa C01 as overheads?
Title: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: behave_blue on May 19, 2007, 11:47:46 PM
Mga Bro...Balak ko po installan ng mics set ko...nu po kelangan ko bilhin...salamat po!! :-D
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: bugoy on May 19, 2007, 11:50:46 PM
mics saka mic stands at XLR cables
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: behave_blue on May 19, 2007, 11:52:46 PM
mga magkano po gagastusin ko dun...at ano po ang magandang brand??
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: Akira JUMBO on May 20, 2007, 12:14:11 AM
if you have the budget SHURE is a very good brand..pang recording na talaga..

To give an estimate on how much your going to spend depends on what equipment you already have..where do you plan to output the mics?
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: behave_blue on May 20, 2007, 12:17:34 AM
i have some speakers at home..
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: Akira JUMBO on May 20, 2007, 12:20:50 AM
what kind? are they XLR compatible? what will you use to amp it up? How many mics are you planning to run? include the details bro.. :lol:
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: behave_blue on May 20, 2007, 12:24:25 AM
what do you mean by xlr?? honestly, i have no idea about soundsystems...hehe :-D
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: sjon014 on May 20, 2007, 12:50:07 AM
XLR yung cable na kumokonek sa mic body mismo. Yung bilog may tatlong prongs. I assume you want to mic your drums for recording purposes? You'll need the drum mics, a mixer, and an interface for a PC (pwede na siguro yung Line-In ng soundcard, pero better kung may hiwalay ka).
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: pmack on May 20, 2007, 11:33:26 AM
ask ka sa music technology and pro audio section dito sa philmusic. dami ko natutunan dun about micing and recording equpiments and tips..

in my opinion, kahit anong mic (granted na pang instrument siya, XLR for noise reduction and hindi yung pang-karaoke mic na free pag bumili ka ng audio component) mapapatunog mo ng maganda sa technology natin ngayon at sa naglipanang mga plug-ins na makukuha mo sa internet for free.

i have a NADY drum mic package (cheap china made)
and 2 samson c01 condensers (relatively cheap din)
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: xjepoyx on May 20, 2007, 11:55:44 AM
if you have the budget... go for Shure SM57 microphones. Let say you have a a 5 piece drum kit you need 3 SM57 for the 3 toms 1 on your snare and 1 on the hi-hats. for the Kick... get a PG52.  for your overheads get 2 SM81.

BUT if you wanna get away with cheap ones.... get the one that pmack has. I suggest get the NADY DK7.


if you have more questions on how to set this up... try to visit Music Technology and Pro Audio Threads (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/board,74.0.html)
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: bugoy on May 20, 2007, 01:43:59 PM
prepare ka siguro ng mga 30k for a low end setup 50k pesos for a mid level setup.  :-)
pwera pa PC diyan.
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: kilowattz on May 20, 2007, 01:50:15 PM
singit lang po ako, tanong na din po ako sino may experiences n ayung mga regular microphones ang ginamit sa set nila.. as of now po kasi mga regular microphones lang gamit ko kasi ala budget... bali meron ako isang shure na SM58 pang overhead tas each tom,snare, and bass drum tig-iisa na regular microphone.. i tried recording na din many times okay naman po..tanong lang po ako ng extra tips about my situation... Thanks  :-D
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: pmack on May 20, 2007, 02:29:37 PM
singit lang po ako, tanong na din po ako sino may experiences n ayung mga regular microphones ang ginamit sa set nila.. as of now po kasi mga regular microphones lang gamit ko kasi ala budget... bali meron ako isang shure na SM58 pang overhead tas each tom,snare, and bass drum tig-iisa na regular microphone.. i tried recording na din many times okay naman po..tanong lang po ako ng extra tips about my situation... Thanks  :-D

kung ok naman yung sound, then good for you.
nasubukan ko na yung mga regular mics dati (the ones na nakadikit na mismo yung wire sa mic) and hindi maganda eh. kung ang goal mo is to just record your drum playing then ok siya with alot of tweaking with various softwares. pero kung goal mo is to make a decent recording for a demo or even an EP, medyo mahirap yan. hindi masyado mataas ang quality na kakalabasan ng finished product.
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: kilowattz on May 20, 2007, 08:46:16 PM
ginamit ko po kasi na regular mics yung split pa din yung wire...tas nka xlr na plugs na din ako...anyway thanks po @pmack sa reply nio hintay pa po ako ibang tips  :-D
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: xjepoyx on May 21, 2007, 01:15:06 AM
actually its not just the mics that is important during drum recording.

there are alot of different drum miking techniques too...

try to browse ans search thru  Music Technology and Pro Audio Threads (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/board,74.0.html) there are topics that discussed drum mics and drum mikings.
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: peeves24 on May 21, 2007, 02:43:42 PM
i have some speakers at home..

wait wait what's your intention for using mics?

palalakasin mo lalo yung malakas na drums? o baka naman gusto mo lang marinig yung drums mo na para kang nasa studio? if you want your drums to sound studio-processed while practising, the best way is to wear ear muffs. your drums will sound compresed/eq'd but it does take time to get used to wearing one. trust me, your drums will sound better to you while not increasing your volume and it will save your hearing.

a follow up question: how's your gear?

are they upto par for micing? entry level stuff do not sound good under a mic so your budget will be better spent on better drums and cymbals instead.


anyway, whatever floats your boat  :-D

para meron din ako macontribute dito sa thread, eto ginagamit ko ngayon with prices:

bass drum mic- samson qkick - 2500
overhead mics - behringer c2 (pair) - 3900
mixer - behringer ub1202 - 6500
pc interface for recording - behringer uca202 - 1500
xlr cables - 1500 (3 pieces, 5 meters each)
mic stands (2 boom, 1 mini stand for bass drum) - 1800

like you, i went for the cheapest i could find with the intention of recording decent enough demos. i only bought gear that i feel would serve me in more than one area. case in point:

buying 3 tom mics vs. buying 2 condenser mics

i didnt buy 3 tom mics coz i couldnt use them anywhere else besides the toms. i bought 2 condenser mics as they can capture the whole kit in stereo really well and i can also use the same mics for recording other acoustic instruments and vocals. the more applications your gear can handle, the higher return of investment.

i hook that setup to my PC via usb solve na ko dun for doing demos. its not studio-quality but it sure sounds clear enough and passable for recording EPs. may iba pa kong gear sa bahay that enables me to use that setup for live sound if i want to

in closing, answer the very first question. most of the time, you'd feel this is just a GAS attack.
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: g0d5_g1ft on May 21, 2007, 02:51:28 PM
nice, pao just saved me from gasing for mics hahaha thnx bro
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: nashbass on May 21, 2007, 03:30:54 PM

overhead mics - behringer c1 (pair) - 3900


master peeves, any comments on behringer c2 condenser mic?  :mrgreen:

nasabi saken kasi na they come in pairs and mas mura kumpara kung bibili ng 2 behringer c1.. thanks master pao
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: peeves24 on May 21, 2007, 03:50:59 PM

overhead mics - behringer c1 (pair) - 3900


master peeves, any comments on behringer c2 condenser mic?  :mrgreen:

nasabi saken kasi na they come in pairs and mas mura kumpara kung bibili ng 2 behringer c1.. thanks master pao

sorry c2 pala gamit ko hehehe nalito

c1's are large diaphragm condensers while c2's are pencil-type, small diaphragm condensers. panalo ko sa presyo nung binili ko yung c2, sale kasi yun kaya 3900, 4500 ang reg price. may kasamang 2 holders, 2 foam filters at yung T-bar for XY config plus hardcase. sulit sa tunog, malinaw, malinis, konti lang noise. according sa isang forum na naresearch ko, hindi daw "balanced" ang matched pair ng c2 kaya noisy sya. pwede daw i-mod pa para maging mas tahimik kaya lang wala dito nung jfet na kailangan for the mod. satisfied naman ako sa stock na tunog at presyong 3900 wala na ko reklamo  :-D

mahina ang capture nya ng low freq (from bass drum) which is only natural for mics of this type. for vocals, di sya kagandahan, harsh kasi sa mids, mas preferred ko pa tunog ng sm58 kesa sa kanya. maganda sya sa acoustic guitars, klaro yung pickup at dinig mo yung nuances ng fingers nung player.
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: nashbass on May 21, 2007, 04:00:52 PM

overhead mics - behringer c1 (pair) - 3900


master peeves, any comments on behringer c2 condenser mic?  :mrgreen:

nasabi saken kasi na they come in pairs and mas mura kumpara kung bibili ng 2 behringer c1.. thanks master pao

sorry c2 pala gamit ko hehehe nalito

c1's are large diaphragm condensers while c2's are pencil-type, small diaphragm condensers. panalo ko sa presyo nung binili ko yung c2, sale kasi yun kaya 3900, 4500 ang reg price. may kasamang 2 holders, 2 foam filters at yung T-bar for XY config plus hardcase. sulit sa tunog, malinaw, malinis, konti lang noise. according sa isang forum na naresearch ko, hindi daw "balanced" ang matched pair ng c2 kaya noisy sya. pwede daw i-mod pa para maging mas tahimik kaya lang wala dito nung jfet na kailangan for the mod. satisfied naman ako sa stock na tunog at presyong 3900 wala na ko reklamo  :-D

mahina ang capture nya ng low freq (from bass drum) which is only natural for mics of this type. for vocals, di sya kagandahan, harsh kasi sa mids, mas preferred ko pa tunog ng sm58 kesa sa kanya. maganda sya sa acoustic guitars, klaro yung pickup at dinig mo yung nuances ng fingers nung player.

oh ic... hmmmm.... but all in all ok ba sya as overhead drum mic?

sa alimall ka ba nakabili neto master pao? thanks ulet :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: peeves24 on May 21, 2007, 04:12:06 PM
oo sa alimall nung june 29, 2006 hahaha

tanda ko yung date kasi binili ko yan for my very first gig nung june 30, it was also my first band's first


pakapalan na lang ng mukha. sample song recorded using my setup. walang EQ or any processing sa drums and it being a demo, didnt need much prep on my part, i just press record and wing it. i did muffle the drums to make them sound boxy and get that warm bluesy 70's sound. ganun kasi genre nung tugtugan e. left side yung drums, right yung acoustic track with metronome. i did it this way para mapractice nila yung parts nila over the drums with or without the acoustic track

http://www.raketship.com/drumblog/demo_scarface%20separate%20drums.mp3

bihira kasi kami magpractice ng band kong to kaya nirerecord namin yung parts para mapakinggan ng bawat isa before rehearsing together
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: nashbass on May 21, 2007, 04:20:03 PM
thanks man for the maraming many infos... malaking big help ka talaga master pao... :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: behave_blue on May 21, 2007, 07:50:37 PM
thanks po sa mga advice :-D
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: Akira JUMBO on May 22, 2007, 12:41:46 AM
i have some speakers at home..

wait wait what's your intention for using mics?

palalakasin mo lalo yung malakas na drums? o baka naman gusto mo lang marinig yung drums mo na para kang nasa studio? if you want your drums to sound studio-processed while practising, the best way is to wear ear muffs. your drums will sound compresed/eq'd but it does take time to get used to wearing one. trust me, your drums will sound better to you while not increasing your volume and it will save your hearing.


I love what peeves said about the ear muffs!!! so true! :lol:

Thanks sir peeves, you have helped a lot of members from spending extra GAS.. :-D
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: peeves24 on May 22, 2007, 11:42:30 AM
wehehehe thanks bro!

ok lang mag GAS basta may pang GAS  :-D
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: boytambol on May 22, 2007, 11:19:23 PM
sa audiophile marami nun... per-set ata yun??? :? :? :? :?

sana maka2long
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: nashbass on May 23, 2007, 08:36:51 AM
sa audiophile marami nun... per-set ata yun??? :? :? :? :?

sana maka2long

hmmm...di ata maganda yung mga per set na binebenta... nabanggit lang naman saken...  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: peeves24 on May 23, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
samson yung per set nila. worth the price IMO
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: palolo_worm on May 23, 2007, 09:09:11 AM
or pwede mo akong i pm dude, im selling some mics at cables at recording stuff. :)
Title: Re: Mics....Mics....Mics...
Post by: nashbass on May 23, 2007, 09:11:04 AM
samson yung per set nila. worth the price IMO

di nga kuya pao? ox ba yung samson? 5k ata o 7k yung asa audiophile, di ko matandaan... hehehe

or pwede mo akong i pm dude, im selling some mics at cables at recording stuff. :)

master palolo, pa pm naman nung mga ino-offer mo... salamats sa amats.. hehehe :mrgreen:
Title: drum mic
Post by: tagz on December 06, 2007, 11:24:33 PM
san po ba nakakabili ng murang drum mic pero ok yung quality?
Title: Re: Drum Mics thread
Post by: Tarkuz Toccata on December 07, 2007, 11:14:56 AM
Makakabili ng Samson drum mics (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1809&brandID=2) sa Audiophile (http://www.audiophilecomponents.com/branches.php).
Title: BOston mdrum mic??good or BAd??
Post by: giftmones on August 15, 2008, 12:52:27 PM
mga kuya sa mga nakagamit na ng boston drum mic dyan

share nyo naman experiences nyo sa pag gamit nyan and ung mga comments nyo sa boston drum mics na yan..

Need lng po ung mga suggestion nyo dahil nakakapagtaka dahil mura ang boston drum mic...

sbihin nyo rin po kung ayos ang performance ng mic na ito..
 :?

salamat po.... :-D
Title: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: sandythedrummer on March 01, 2009, 06:57:11 PM
ok kaya to? yung mounting system lang. Can fit any mics daw.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/sandyman/P1000016.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/sandyman/P1000018.jpg)
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: tranquildomain on March 01, 2009, 11:20:39 PM
the design looks solid enough but is it fixed angle lang ba?  :-o
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: deej on March 01, 2009, 11:29:42 PM
parang ang lapit masyado sa batter head nung mic...makuha kaya nito yung maximum sound nang bass drum? hmmm.... :?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: brokensticks on March 02, 2009, 08:41:16 AM
hahahaha!
recent vist to JB mega? :-D
anyhow i think i can agree with deej. i think it will not capture the total sound of the kick drum because sound would be produced by a 'disturbance' at the head. and that disturbance should travel along the shell. if the mic is placed dead center maybe it won't capture the totality of the shell sound. that made me wonder why is it that only the kick drum's mic is often placed at the resonant side and all the others are placed at the batter side? :-)

just my two cents
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: Gep on March 02, 2009, 10:33:37 AM
May review ng Kelly Shu mic holder sa Drum! Magazine, November issue.

Highly recommended daw siya kasi sobrang versatile niya. Shock-proof kasi siya, tapos kaya niya hawakan lahat ng mga available na drum mics except yung sobrang bulky na lumang mics. Pwede pa i-adjust yung orientation ng mic sa loob: upright, upside-down, at saka near/away from reso/batter.

Pinagamit nung reviewer yung holder sa isang sound engineer, ok daw yung audio quality na nakuha.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: intake on March 02, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
may nag DIY din niyan sa pearl drummers forum ah..
mukhang wala naman siya sagabal sa shell, look...may washer muna bago yung kabitan niya then yung screw..tas may sabitan pa ng cable yan para hindi siya tumama sa reso head.

ok siya ah, kaso paano pag dinadala mo lagi yung kit? tiyagaan na lang sa pagtanggal/pagkabit ng reso head?  :lol:
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: Gep on March 02, 2009, 11:21:15 AM
ok siya ah, kaso paano pag dinadala mo lagi yung kit? tiyagaan na lang sa pagtanggal/pagkabit ng reso head?  :lol:

Lagi nang nakakabit yung device sa loob ng bass drum pagka-install. Bale yung mic na lang yung tinatanggal at binabalik. Siguro mas madali kung may port na pwede pasukan ng mic.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: intake on March 02, 2009, 12:11:55 PM
Lagi nang nakakabit yung device sa loob ng bass drum pagka-install. Bale yung mic na lang yung tinatanggal at binabalik. Siguro mas madali kung may port na pwede pasukan ng mic.

ahhh...mukhang mas madali kung dalawa yung butas sa reso head no? left and right hand.. hehehe! i guess kasi kailangan mo i screw yung mic dun sa cradle? or may clip na siya?
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: mondi99060451 on March 02, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
hindi ko alam bakit ako natatawa  :lol:

parang nakakatawa ung concept?

na imagine ko pa, what if whole kit, ganyan ang holder ng mic?

tapos lahat naka clear batter heads!  :lol:

sorry... natatawa talaga ako!

 :lol:
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: andreiandrei on March 02, 2009, 07:57:10 PM
parang web ni spiderman., haha.. pano nga kaya kung ganito lahat ng gamit mo sa buong kit,, hehe..

anyway,. mukha naman at marami na din nagsabing okay siya, heavy duty and adjustable. siguro okay kung may hole sa reso head para mas madali pg tangal ng mic.

yung sinasabi ni sir intake na 2 holes, kulang ng 2 maliit para sa mata since reso head yun eh.. ahaha.. lol.
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: intake on March 03, 2009, 09:02:06 AM
parang web ni spiderman., haha.. pano nga kaya kung ganito lahat ng gamit mo sa buong kit,, hehe..

anyway,. mukha naman at marami na din nagsabing okay siya, heavy duty and adjustable. siguro okay kung may hole sa reso head para mas madali pg tangal ng mic.

yung sinasabi ni sir intake na 2 holes, kulang ng 2 maliit para sa mata since reso head yun eh.. ahaha.. lol.

kailangan talaga ng hole sa reso head para mapasok mo yung mic cable...depende kung gusto mong may reso head o wala
Title: Re: What do you think about this Kick drum Mic Holder???
Post by: sandythedrummer on March 03, 2009, 09:41:36 AM
Here's my POV about this product. I'll start 1st with the problem:
1. Steve Smith will have a problem with this. 1st he doesn't usually have hole in his reso. And, his kick is 20". Unless they have 20" versions.
2. Is this sturdy enough to take the pounding of the bass drum?
3. This is hard to set up compared to a mini mic stand that usually used.
4. I think it costs much than the boom stands.


Pros........
1. Just like what GEP said. maybe this is good for recordings. :-D

We'll see.....
Title: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 14, 2009, 02:53:22 AM
sir/ma'am dunno if there's already a thread about mic-ing and recording drums
although i found this thread there at music tech and pro audio

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,131844.0.html

kung meron na po thread na ganito, sorry po, pki merge nalang po.salamat. :-)
just thought more pinoydrums forumites would see this if placed here.

anyways, i decided to maybe record myself playing the drums, so i could actually hear myself and see how well/worse im doing at the back of my kit. also for some reasons like recording any fills that came up my mind, any covers i'd like to do well, experiments, etc.

but the problem is, don't have any idea where to begin with.
-what mic?, maybe the cheap (but decent) ones i guess. pang sariling gamit lang naman
-where do i record it? mic to a sort of recording apparatus to my pc. 
-do i have to mic all drums? kick, snare, toms, cymbals...i mean mic-ing each of them?
-i dont know how much this would cost me but at least i got the idea.
-maybe things i need to start off.

maraming salamat po!

 
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on April 14, 2009, 10:36:53 AM
kung gusto mo lang magrecord for practice bili ka na lang ng portable recorders like the zoom h4

madugo yang landas na balak mong tahakin kaibigan. may pm ako sa yo
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: phfreq on April 14, 2009, 11:00:33 AM
kung gusto mo lang magrecord for practice bili ka na lang ng portable recorders like the zoom h4

madugo yang landas na balak mong tahakin kaibigan. may pm ako sa yo

tama si peeves..  tinahak ko yang landas na yan... ang hirap bumalik.. kung ang talagang gusto mo lang ay pang check kung ok ang tugtog, ok na ung mga portable.. Ang bibilihin ko sana ay yung tascam dr1 or yung tascam dr7 pero ibang landas ang nadaanan ko.. ngayon hindi ko alam kung may makikita ba akong liwanag sa dulo ng daan :-D

may isa pang thread dito sa pinoydrums -- parang sound clips.. makakatulogn dun un...

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,126355.0.html
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: intake on April 14, 2009, 11:57:16 AM
ehh mga bossing yung USB mic anong masasabi niyo dun? mas ok ba yung portable kesa diyan?
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: phfreq on April 14, 2009, 12:05:41 PM
ehh mga bossing yung USB mic anong masasabi niyo dun? mas ok ba yung portable kesa diyan?


yung ginamit ko na sample dyan sa thread sa baba, usb mic yan (blue snowball). Ok naman kaya lang hindi ko masyado napaglaruan ung tuning nung drums so sobrang boomy yung dating nung bass.. Kinuha na ulit ung usb mic na un so hindi ko na ulit mapapaglaruan..

depende din siguro sa usb mic and sa objectives mo..

kung control freak ka, hindi pwede ang isang mic lang.. mahirap mag-ayos / post process kung isang mic lang ang gamit... Ang hindi ko lang nasubukan eh kung halimbawang maraming usb mics tapos nakakabit sa usb ports ng computer tapos may multitrack recording software dun... Pero tingin ko baka sumuko yung usb controller nung pc kasi cpu intensive ang mga usb processes.

tingin ko mas ok pa rin ung portable kasi hindi mo na kailangan ng computer and software.. tapos since portable sya, pwedeng gamiting pang bootleg... pwede ding gamiting pangrecord ng clinics/lectures/conferences/seminars/etc..

yung tascam dr1, meron din syang pang slow down ng songs so pwedeng gamitin for studying songs and their drum parts among others....
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: intake on April 14, 2009, 12:52:59 PM
salamat sa sagot phfreq  :-)
saka isa pang tanong..pano kung 2-3 mics ang trip ko? behringer mixer tapos sound blaster sound card pang laptop then bahala na kung anong mic ok ba yun? or may kulang pa? trip ko din kasi para at least makapag record yung banda dito samin  :-)
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on April 14, 2009, 02:51:14 PM
salamat sa sagot phfreq  :-)
saka isa pang tanong..pano kung 2-3 mics ang trip ko? behringer mixer tapos sound blaster sound card pang laptop then bahala na kung anong mic ok ba yun? or may kulang pa? trip ko din kasi para at least makapag record yung banda dito samin  :-)

tsk tsk tsk masama yan  :roll:

alam na ni phfreq kung bakit  :-D at alam na alam ko na walang magandang patutunguhan yan kundi puro gastos  :evil:



kung may plano ka magrecord ng buong banda, i suggest you skip the cheap crappy stuff and get something decent at once. bili ka na agad ng presonus fp10 or presonus firestudio project para makatipid. nasa 300+ US dollars lang yan sa ebay tapos may 8 mic inputs ka na, direct to pc recording pa.

kasi kung bibili ka ng mixer at cheap usb interface e ganun din magagastos mo tapos ang masaklap pa nito, hindi ka magiging masaya sa tunog. promise. dinaanan ko na yan noon at eto na ko, nauwi rin sa medyo mahal na gamit pero nakatipid sana ko kung di na ko bumili ng mga gamit na "pwede na" o "kaya ko naman pagandahin".

yung mga mics ok na yung samson at behringer basta yung mixer/interface mo matino


@intake - nasa pinas ka na ba ulit? kung gusto mo maexperience yung difference nung behringer mixer setup at yung presonus firestudio, punta ka sa bahay
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 14, 2009, 06:02:35 PM
kung gusto mo lang magrecord for practice bili ka na lang ng portable recorders like the zoom h4

madugo yang landas na balak mong tahakin kaibigan. may pm ako sa yo
hehe salamat nawarningan na agad!haha kundi mapapanakaw pa ko kung sakali.hehe
really had no idea to start.hehe
yup pang practice lang po talaga, mejo mabagal po improvement ko kaya naisip ko irecord yung mga palo ko then try to come up with a better beat.hehe
salamat po sir peeves. chek ko nalang yung zoom h4, maybe mayamaya eh magtatanung ulit ako. :-)

BTW, di ko po ata natanggap yun pm sir.
tama si peeves..  tinahak ko yang landas na yan... ang hirap bumalik.. kung ang talagang gusto mo lang ay pang check kung ok ang tugtog, ok na ung mga portable.. Ang bibilihin ko sana ay yung tascam dr1 or yung tascam dr7 pero ibang landas ang nadaanan ko.. ngayon hindi ko alam kung may makikita ba akong liwanag sa dulo ng daan :-D

may isa pang thread dito sa pinoydrums -- parang sound clips.. makakatulogn dun un...

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,126355.0.html
hehe thanks for the early advice sir!
naisip ko na rin na mapapagastos ako pero at least to the minimum expense lang.

pano po ba yung set up nung portable recorders?
one recorder then sasaksakan ko ng ilang mics? or one mic para sa lahat na po?

ok na sakin yung clear yung sound. basta marinig ko lang yung tiempo ko plus yung tono ng drums. :-D

Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: phfreq on April 14, 2009, 07:37:05 PM
tsk tsk tsk masama yan  :roll:

alam na ni phfreq kung bakit  :-D at alam na alam ko na walang magandang patutunguhan yan kundi puro gastos  :evil:



kung may plano ka magrecord ng buong banda, i suggest you skip the cheap crappy stuff and get something decent at once. bili ka na agad ng presonus fp10 or presonus firestudio project para makatipid. nasa 300+ US dollars lang yan sa ebay tapos may 8 mic inputs ka na, direct to pc recording pa.

kasi kung bibili ka ng mixer at cheap usb interface e ganun din magagastos mo tapos ang masaklap pa nito, hindi ka magiging masaya sa tunog. promise. dinaanan ko na yan noon at eto na ko, nauwi rin sa medyo mahal na gamit pero nakatipid sana ko kung di na ko bumili ng mga gamit na "pwede na" o "kaya ko naman pagandahin".

yung mga mics ok na yung samson at behringer basta yung mixer/interface mo matino


@intake - nasa pinas ka na ba ulit? kung gusto mo maexperience yung difference nung behringer mixer setup at yung presonus firestudio, punta ka sa bahay


he he he... kung ano yung sinabi ni peeves :-)

hehe salamat nawarningan na agad!haha kundi mapapanakaw pa ko kung sakali.hehe
really had no idea to start.hehe
yup pang practice lang po talaga, mejo mabagal po improvement ko kaya naisip ko irecord yung mga palo ko then try to come up with a better beat.hehe
salamat po sir peeves. chek ko nalang yung zoom h4, maybe mayamaya eh magtatanung ulit ako. :-)

BTW, di ko po ata natanggap yun pm sir.hehe thanks for the early advice sir!
naisip ko na rin na mapapagastos ako pero at least to the minimum expense lang.

pano po ba yung set up nung portable recorders?
one recorder then sasaksakan ko ng ilang mics? or one mic para sa lahat na po?

ok na sakin yung clear yung sound. basta marinig ko lang yung tiempo ko plus yung tono ng drums. :-D



kung pang practice lang, ok na yung portable --- unless marami kang pera, time, patience, knack for reading and experimenting :-)

portable recorders, built in na yung mics.. ready to go na kaagad yun..

eto sample ng tascam dr1 in a drumming context:

in a solo artist context

meron din siguro dyan in a band context...

sa zoom meron din


Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 14, 2009, 09:01:50 PM

he he he... kung ano yung sinabi ni peeves :-)

kung pang practice lang, ok na yung portable --- unless marami kang pera, time, patience, knack for reading and experimenting :-)

portable recorders, built in na yung mics.. ready to go na kaagad yun..

eto sample ng tascam dr1 in a drumming context:

in a solo artist context

meron din siguro dyan in a band context...

sa zoom meron din




wowo napanood ko yung 2 tascam sample vids. panalo na sya ah! :lol:

question lang sir. pwede po ba magrecord ako ng isang drum cover, say naka earphones/ipod ako para hindi marecord ng tascam/zoom yung music. kumbaga drums alone lang yung rinecord ko, then mayamaya wanted to combine both...
softwares and pc's na po ba bahala dito to fuse the drums and the rest together?

thanks for the help!!
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: phfreq on April 14, 2009, 09:32:36 PM
wowo napanood ko yung 2 tascam sample vids. panalo na sya ah! :lol:

question lang sir. pwede po ba magrecord ako ng isang drum cover, say naka earphones/ipod ako para hindi marecord ng tascam/zoom yung music. kumbaga drums alone lang yung rinecord ko, then mayamaya wanted to combine both...
softwares and pc's na po ba bahala dito to fuse the drums and the rest together?

thanks for the help!!

pwedeng software and pc... pwede din namang yung recorder.. kung gusto mo mapaghiwalay yung original at yung drum parts lang, pwedeng record mo lang ung drums tapos pc/software na bahala.. Meron din namang mga recorder na tumatanggap ng dalawang inputs tapos simultaneous 2 track recording.. meron namang iba na isang track recording lang pero pwede ka mag overdub (so yung original ang overdub.. Depende din sa capabilities nung recorder kung pwede ka magbounce  sa isang track (basically pagsasamahin mo ung dalawang track).

Hindi ko lang alam kung may locally available na tascam dr1 sa pinas... Pero kung ako papipiliin, mas gusto ko ung tascam dr1 kaysa dun sa zoom h4/h2.

Nga pala, maganda yang iniisip mo na irecord ung tugtog mo for improvement purposes - yan din ung isa sa mga reasons ko why I wanted to record.. It's a very humbling experience.. Dati sa pandinig ko parang ok na pero nung nirecord ko, ang pangit pala.. hindi pantay pantay ang tunog, wala sa timing, at iba pang mga problems... Lalo na sa hihats, and yung pag line up ng mga notes.. hindi ganung kadali pagandahin.. Hihat, snare and kick lang na pagagandahin (consistent, even, on time) ang tunog, sobrang hirap na.. Pero recording lets you know saan yugn problem and dun magfocus...


BTW, kung meron kang isang dynamic mic and gusto mo lang sumubok magrecord, try mo lang ikabit sa computer mo via the line in tapos download ka ng audacity then pwede ka na magrecord dun.. I've been meaning to document some things na pwedeng gawin with this setup pero walang maiallot na time kaya hindi ko magawa.. he hehe...
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: boy_mata on April 14, 2009, 09:49:28 PM
pards, kung single pedal lang rerecord mo, pwede ko marecomend yung usb mic na samson, 4k plus lang  sa audiophile. kailangan mo lang makuha yung tamang position, tutunog na ng maganda. tapos may free software na sa net, mixcraft (kaso nag eexpire, pag nagexpire di ka na makakasave ng mp3 file uli hehehe) pwede mo na lagyan mga reverb o compression. mapagchachagaan na kung pampractice lang. pero kung double pedal rerecord mo, di maganda kakalabasan, di kasi pantay yung tunog ng slave beater sa main beater.

pero at the end of the day, baka magbabago taste mo maghahanap ka ng pro quality, dun na magiging madugo ang pagbuo ng gamit. hehehe  :-D
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 15, 2009, 01:39:39 AM
pwedeng software and pc... pwede din namang yung recorder.. kung gusto mo mapaghiwalay yung original at yung drum parts lang, pwedeng record mo lang ung drums tapos pc/software na bahala.. Meron din namang mga recorder na tumatanggap ng dalawang inputs tapos simultaneous 2 track recording.. meron namang iba na isang track recording lang pero pwede ka mag overdub (so yung original ang overdub.. Depende din sa capabilities nung recorder kung pwede ka magbounce  sa isang track (basically pagsasamahin mo ung dalawang track).

Hindi ko lang alam kung may locally available na tascam dr1 sa pinas... Pero kung ako papipiliin, mas gusto ko ung tascam dr1 kaysa dun sa zoom h4/h2.

Nga pala, maganda yang iniisip mo na irecord ung tugtog mo for improvement purposes - yan din ung isa sa mga reasons ko why I wanted to record.. It's a very humbling experience.. Dati sa pandinig ko parang ok na pero nung nirecord ko, ang pangit pala.. hindi pantay pantay ang tunog, wala sa timing, at iba pang mga problems... Lalo na sa hihats, and yung pag line up ng mga notes.. hindi ganung kadali pagandahin.. Hihat, snare and kick lang na pagagandahin (consistent, even, on time) ang tunog, sobrang hirap na.. Pero recording lets you know saan yugn problem and dun magfocus...


BTW, kung meron kang isang dynamic mic and gusto mo lang sumubok magrecord, try mo lang ikabit sa computer mo via the line in tapos download ka ng audacity then pwede ka na magrecord dun.. I've been meaning to document some things na pwedeng gawin with this setup pero walang maiallot na time kaya hindi ko magawa.. he hehe...

onga sir eh, one time kasi nagtry ako mgrecord sa phone lang.expected ko na yung sabog na sound since phone lang gamit ko pero narinig ko yung timing ko at beats na ginawa ko....parang sagwa ng dating.hehe kaya naisip ko na irecord ng maayos na rin.

ganda nga ng tuscam sir, parang walang nabago dun sa quality nung sound nung sa link na binigay nyo about sa solo artist.

in a solo artist context
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pards, kung single pedal lang rerecord mo, pwede ko marecomend yung usb mic na samson, 4k plus lang  sa audiophile. kailangan mo lang makuha yung tamang position, tutunog na ng maganda. tapos may free software na sa net, mixcraft (kaso nag eexpire, pag nagexpire di ka na makakasave ng mp3 file uli hehehe) pwede mo na lagyan mga reverb o compression. mapagchachagaan na kung pampractice lang. pero kung double pedal rerecord mo, di maganda kakalabasan, di kasi pantay yung tunog ng slave beater sa main beater.

pero at the end of the day, baka magbabago taste mo maghahanap ka ng pro quality, dun na magiging madugo ang pagbuo ng gamit. hehehe  :-D

hehe napakinggan ko nga yung recordings mo sa isang thread. ganda ng tunog,
siguro nga kung mahihirapan ako mag purchase ng tuscam, siguro try ko na rin yung ginamit mo sir.

tanung ko lang sir, prang plug and play lang po ba yun usb mic? saksak ko sa pc then maybe may software lang ako install that came with the mic...tapos diretso record na? 
and after buying, uwi na po ako then enjoy recording na or may iba pa po kailangan bilin or softwares na kailangan install?hehehe  :-D

thanks for the help! :-D



Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: sjon014 on April 15, 2009, 03:10:16 AM

Watch this. This video ABSOLUTELY made it for me. I bought the Samson C01u after I heard this. And I'm glad to say, I can make recordings "near" this quality. My drums aren't up to spec kasi and my room isn't fully acoustically treated. :lol:
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: phfreq on April 15, 2009, 04:53:55 AM
onga sir eh, one time kasi nagtry ako mgrecord sa phone lang.expected ko na yung sabog na sound since phone lang gamit ko pero narinig ko yung timing ko at beats na ginawa ko....parang sagwa ng dating.hehe kaya naisip ko na irecord ng maayos na rin.

ganda nga ng tuscam sir, parang walang nabago dun sa quality nung sound nung sa link na binigay nyo about sa solo artist.

in a solo artist context
[/i]

hehe napakinggan ko nga yung recordings mo sa isang thread. ganda ng tunog,
siguro nga kung mahihirapan ako mag purchase ng tuscam, siguro try ko na rin yung ginamit mo sir.

tanung ko lang sir, prang plug and play lang po ba yun usb mic? saksak ko sa pc then maybe may software lang ako install that came with the mic...tapos diretso record na? 
and after buying, uwi na po ako then enjoy recording na or may iba pa po kailangan bilin or softwares na kailangan install?hehehe  :-D

thanks for the help! :-D





yung nagamit ko na usb mic, nadetect ng linux. I'm sure madedetect ng windows ang mga usb mics. Tapos download ka lang ng audacity, pwede ka na magrecord dun.. Tingin ko pwede rin ung built in sound recorder sa windows pero audacity ang ginamit ko..

check out audacity here

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

libre yan :-)

kuhanin mo ung bagong (beta) version  -- madali na ung pag slow down ng songs dun sa version na yun..
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: intake on April 15, 2009, 06:27:40 AM
salamat sa mga reply paps! mahal ko kayo  :lol:
nga pala Peeves you gots pm!
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on April 15, 2009, 08:26:31 AM

BTW, di ko po ata natanggap yun pm sir.hehe thanks for the early advice sir!
naisip ko na rin na mapapagastos ako pero at least to the minimum expense lang.

pano po ba yung set up nung portable recorders?
one recorder then sasaksakan ko ng ilang mics? or one mic para sa lahat na po?

ok na sakin yung clear yung sound. basta marinig ko lang yung tiempo ko plus yung tono ng drums. :-D



yung pm ko open invite lang yun para pumunta sa bahay at para marinig mo yung difference nung cheap setup sa medyo decent. feeling ko lang mas malaking tulong sa nagsisimula yung marinig agad yung dapat marinig para ma shortcut na yung trial and error at makatipid

kung malapit ka lang sa muntinlupa or ok lang sa yo dumayo sa munti e di mas makakatulong yun sa pagdecide mo


i would prefer portable recorders over usb mics kasi mas madaling dalin kahit saan kaya pwede sa band rehearsal nyo or kung may clinic kang gustong irecord. wala ring problema sa positioning yung portable recorder kasi hindi ka limitado sa wire. mono lang yung usb mic pero yung portable recorder e naka stereo tapos may option pa magsaksak ng 2 more mics.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: boy_mata on April 15, 2009, 10:27:19 AM

hehe napakinggan ko nga yung recordings mo sa isang thread. ganda ng tunog,
siguro nga kung mahihirapan ako mag purchase ng tuscam, siguro try ko na rin yung ginamit mo sir.

tanung ko lang sir, prang plug and play lang po ba yun usb mic? saksak ko sa pc then maybe may software lang ako install that came with the mic...tapos diretso record na? 
and after buying, uwi na po ako then enjoy recording na or may iba pa po kailangan bilin or softwares na kailangan install?hehehe  :-D

thanks for the help! :-D





yup plug and play na un, download ka lang ng any wav or multitrack recorder sa net makakapaagrecord ka na.  :-D napakingan ko rin ung gawa ni peeves dun sa isang thread, gamit nya ung presonus, masasabi ko malayo nga difference ng sound. in your face ung tunog ng kick drum at crystal clear ang mga cymbals nya.  :-D
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: nikogulo on April 15, 2009, 04:08:43 PM
the easiest way is to get a recorder like the zoom h4..portable...pero kung gusto mo, pwede ka rin kumuha ng SM57, a boom mic stand, a mixer, a computer program, pero medyo madugo yan. you can position the mic above the bass drum, facing toward the snare....
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 15, 2009, 04:15:28 PM
@ phfreq, thanks for the help! :-D chek ko yung site mamaya

@ peeves...ahh sayang kabilang ibayo pa ata ako. sa taytay pa ako!hehe pero sige po sir peeves, kung sakaling mahanapan ko ng oras dadayo ako jan! sayang din yung chansa, :-D

thanks for the invite!

@boy_mata, thanks! chek ko mamaya yung mic sa audiophile...meron ba dun? parang nabasa ko sa tread na ginawa mo eh.hehe

@nikogulo, siguro start muna ako sa portable then bago ako magexplore sa mor professional recording stuffs!hehe taghirap pamandin ako.hehe salamat! :-D
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 15, 2009, 10:12:47 PM
galing ako sa audiophile kanina, nakita ko yung samson co3u na usb mic nila dun. worth 5k plus din sya. may software na rin na kasama, sa salonga naman may zoom daw sila pero hindi yung h4 yung pinakita sakin.hehe 12k, pero 7kplus dahil sa discount na.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on April 16, 2009, 10:22:17 AM
WATTTT?? DI NGA!!!  :-o

7k++ lang yung h4? bilin mo na yun
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 16, 2009, 11:28:28 AM
zoom po sya pero hindi h4 yung tinuro sakin eh. tapos anlayo pa dun sa nakita kong h4 sa net.hehe.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on April 16, 2009, 12:22:46 PM
ahhh hindi ko na nabasa ng tama yung post mo hehehe. malamang h2 yun
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mondi99060451 on April 16, 2009, 04:34:12 PM
Napagdaanan ko na yang bisyo na yan at after several months na pangungulit kila peeves, I'm proud to say na naka getover na ako sa gastos at sa "itch" (although sometimes bumabalik)  After several mics and a couple of mixers, (na eventualy binenta ko lahat), proud owner ako ng Samson CO1U USB Condenser Mic.  Nakakamiss yung multiple mic setup pero at the end, ang naging biggest factor for me is the process of setting-up itself.  Minimalistic ang approach ko sa drumming at sa maraming bagay.  With my previous setups, parang ang daming kailangang i monitor na gears (pero kasama na ata yun sa enjoyment na nabibigay ng bisyo na to) tapos dami pwedeng configs kaya sa maghapon na practice, bago ako makapalo eh puro experiment muna ang gagawin mo sa setup bago finally makapag practice. So sa 5 hours na practice, mga 1 hour lang ang actual palo time ko.  Hindi kasi ako mapakali kasi alam ko na may iba pang possible setups para ma improve yung labas ng tunog.  Indirectly, na disiplina ko yung sarili ko sa USB mic kasi, setup is very easy at pag nahanap mo na yung sweet spot sa room mo, you'd be surprised to know na mas nakakapag focus ka sa pag practice rather than yung mismong method ng pag rerecording ang focus mo.  Im not discouraging anyone but nung na "hook" ako sa recording eh parang yun ang naging priority ko at yung crave for better gears never stops, sa case ko mas malala pa ung upgrade itch sa recording kesa sa gears.  :-( But then again, that's just for me... Kanya kanyang disiplina naman yan eh.  BTW, I own a 10" Lappie so pag nag practice kami sa studio, madaling dalhin yung USB mic.  Pasadong quality (for me) all the time, kahit gigs pa.  :-)

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Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mambo on April 16, 2009, 04:45:05 PM
Napagdaanan ko na yang bisyo na yan at after several months na pangungulit kila peeves, I'm proud to say na naka getover na ako sa gastos at sa "itch" (although sometimes bumabalik)  After several mics and a couple of mixers, (na eventualy binenta ko lahat), proud owner ako ng Samson CO1U USB Condenser Mic.  Nakakamiss yung multiple mic setup pero at the end, ang naging biggest factor for me is the process of setting-up itself.  Minimalistic ang approach ko sa drumming at sa maraming bagay.  With my previous setups, parang ang daming kailangang i monitor na gears (pero kasama na ata yun sa enjoyment na nabibigay ng bisyo na to) tapos dami pwedeng configs kaya sa maghapon na practice, bago ako makapalo eh puro experiment muna ang gagawin mo sa setup bago finally makapag practice. So sa 5 hours na practice, mga 1 hour lang ang actual palo time ko.  Hindi kasi ako mapakali kasi alam ko na may iba pang possible setups para ma improve yung labas ng tunog.  Indirectly, na disiplina ko yung sarili ko sa USB mic kasi, setup is very easy at pag nahanap mo na yung sweet spot sa room mo, you'd be surprised to know na mas nakakapag focus ka sa pag practice rather than yung mismong method ng pag rerecording ang focus mo.  Im not discouraging anyone but nung na "hook" ako sa recording eh parang yun ang naging priority ko at yung crave for better gears never stops, sa case ko mas malala pa ung upgrade itch sa recording kesa sa gears.  :-( But then again, that's just for me... Kanya kanyang disiplina naman yan eh.  BTW, I own a 10" Lappie so pag nag practice kami sa studio, madaling dalhin yung USB mic.  Pasadong quality (for me) all the time, kahit gigs pa.  :-)

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salamat sir mondi! yaan mo iiwasan ko na ma-hook dito...makakatulong dito yung kawalan ko ng pera.hehehe
thanks for the advice para na rin sa mga interesado sa recording stuffs. gaya nga ng sabi ni sir peeves,
"feeling ko lang mas malaking tulong sa nagsisimula yung marinig agad yung dapat marinig para ma shortcut na yung trial and error at makatipid" or in some cases may idea na sa papasukin bago pa mapasubo.hehe

salamat salamat!
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on April 16, 2009, 04:50:04 PM
good for you mondi!  :-D

ako hindi na bisyo para sa kin ang recording, obsession na sya.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on April 16, 2009, 10:58:41 PM
check nyo yung sound clips dito http://peeves24.multiply.com/music/item/32

gumawa ako ng short clip pero hinimay ko yung mics. merong single condenser para maemulate yung usb mic. merong 1 pair ng overheads para kunyari portable recorder ginamit. tapos merong ding yung parehong clip na may added bass drum for more presence and punch

yung usb mic kuno, nasa likod lang ng tenga ko nakapwesto yung mic tapos nakatutok pababa sa snare yung mic
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: phfreq on April 27, 2009, 01:26:39 AM
eto mga samples/ilang seconds snippets nung paglalaro ko ng mga settings and placement, etc... 2 overhead condensers, 1 snare mic, i kick mic tapos isang mic lang dun sa floor tom.. yung dalawang rack toms yung overhead condensers and ung snare mic lang ang nakakakuha nung sound ngayon.

Still need to work on tuning and other settings habang nagrerecord. 14" paiste hihat and 18" istanbul crash ride and mapex drums.

Snare is tuned relatively tight yung batter tapos medium yung reso. Sa mga susunod try ko naman ung tight both batter and reso tapos siguro ung loose din. Napapansin ko, kailangan taasan ng konti ang tuning para mas magproject and mas makuha ung tono na "tingin mo naririnig mo" dun sa kit without the mic..

Kick has some muffling on the reso head. walang nakalagay sa loob nung shell.

Sa page na yan, yung snowball na track, yan yung single usb blue snowball mic recording.. walang processing.. tapos hindi ko pa masyado pinaglaruan ung tuning and placement kaya ang taas ng reverb dun sa room.

Tapos ung "messing  around" yan naman yung dinescribe ko sa itaas na may mga overheads...

sound samples at soundboard (http://soundboard.com/sb/phfreq.aspx)
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: digidikdik on April 27, 2009, 06:58:14 PM
Bili lang ng bili while supply last.....ehehehehe
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: phfreq on April 28, 2009, 01:35:08 AM
btw, in the spirit of the original intention of this thread, sabihin ko lang na dahil sa pagrecord and pakikinig dun sa mga narecord, nalaman ko na ang laki ng pagiging hindi even ng hihat hits ko kapag hand to hand (16ths L & R) and ung kick ko (right foot) madalas behind the beat. Yung sa hihats, medyo nag even out na ng konti pero hindi pa rin ganung kaeven.. yung sa kick naman ang susunod :-)
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: skunkyfunk on April 29, 2009, 10:15:57 AM
Listen to Macca:

Title: Drum microphones
Post by: wireme on December 05, 2009, 03:08:02 PM
I really don't have an idea sa pag mic ng drums, anyway plan ko kasi subukan i-mic yung setup ko. To those na may experience na, please give me an advice on what to do, how and the equipments i need. thanks guys!

Btw, which brand of drum mics do you prefer and why?

1. Shure
2. Samson
3. Audix
4. Seinnheiser
5. Audio-technica
6. Audix
7. Apex
8. Bardl
9. Others (pls specify)

mods: if ever may exisitng topic na ganito, paki merge na lang. thanks!
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: Gep on December 05, 2009, 03:09:50 PM
I hope you could also include Bardl drum mics. :)
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: peeves24 on December 05, 2009, 05:57:58 PM
best bang for the buck ang samson para sa mga home studios pati na rin sa live.

here's a comparison i made using a shure sm57 and a samson qtom. let your ears and your wallet decide.

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,145072.0.html
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: wireme on December 05, 2009, 08:58:56 PM
best bang for the buck ang samson para sa mga home studios pati na rin sa live.

here's a comparison i made using a shure sm57 and a samson qtom. let your ears and your wallet decide.

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,145072.0.html

thanks! itong klase ok na ba ito?
http://www.musiciansbuy.com/SAMSON_7KIT_DRUM_MIC_7KT7KTKIT_KIT.html

san mo kinakabit yung mics? kailangan ba ng mixer?

Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: peeves24 on December 06, 2009, 08:00:21 AM
yup ok na yan.

dito nakakabit sa kin http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=43

wag ka na bumili ng mixer. my firestudio project can be a stand-alone mixer if i need it to mic my drums live or i can use it with my pc to record drum tracks at home. i got it at ebay for 15k used. kapresyo lang ng mga  8-channel mixers din kaya dito ka na lang.
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: phfreq on December 06, 2009, 08:43:38 AM
I'm currently using audix mics --

snare -- i5
kick -- d2
overheads -- 2 x f15
rack toms -- f10
floor tom -- f12

audix ung kinuha ko kasi nakakuha ako ng good deal sa used ng fusion set nila tapos nagdagdag na lang ako ng i5 and d2. Ganda tunog nung f15 as cymbal overheads. Walang processing or eq akong ginagawa sa nirerecord ko ang ganda na. Ganun din ung sa i5. Tapos ung i5, f10, f12, metal ung casing and since nakakabit sya sa snare and toms, kaya nya kahit paano iwithstand ung matamaan sya ng stick :-)

Hardware recording ang setup ko (fostex hard disk recorder) - kailangan ng mixer (yamaha mg series) dahil sa number of inputs.

starting to mic the drums is a dangerous path (for the person and his wallet :-) ). Dyan nagsisimula lahat :-) Una mic, susunod stands/clips, susunod recorder (or computer + interface + softare) susunod processing / production tools. Wala pa yung sound proofing and acoustics ng room :-)

Ano pala objective mo bakit mo gusto mic? Sometimes a camera could do, or maybe one of those portable recorders (ganda nung zoom q3 :-)). Depende sa objective mo, you might be able to get by with some of the cheap mics, post-processing lang ang katapat nyan :-D


BTW, the drum recording thread might also help...
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: starfugger on December 06, 2009, 09:23:07 AM
the usual suspects used in professional recording studios are as follows:

kick - akg d112, senheiser MD 421, Shure Beta 52
toms - Shure Sm57, MD 421, Audio Technica atm 25, akg d112 (floor),
snare - MD 421, Shure SM 57
snare botton - sm 57 or any large diaphragm condenser that can handle high SPL's
overheads - akg c451 or other pencil condensers like the Rode NT 5 matched pair
hihats = akg c451 or other pencil condensers
ambient mic - at 4050 or any large diaphragm condenser (you don't need this if the room doesnt really sound so good)

you could look for alternatives for these if you're concerned about budget. peeves found a cost effective alternative for the 57. 

i suggest use mic stands instead of clips.  it's best to record in a not so reverberant space (do the "clap test"), with a high ceiling :)

phfreq was right to ask about your purpose.  san mo sya gagamitin?
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: Musikero_drumer on December 06, 2009, 02:20:51 PM
bro go with the beta52 yung kick
and sm57 for toms or pwede din yung mga PG.. :-D
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: wireme on December 06, 2009, 11:34:37 PM
I'm currently using audix mics --

snare -- i5
kick -- d2
overheads -- 2 x f15
rack toms -- f10
floor tom -- f12

audix ung kinuha ko kasi nakakuha ako ng good deal sa used ng fusion set nila tapos nagdagdag na lang ako ng i5 and d2. Ganda tunog nung f15 as cymbal overheads. Walang processing or eq akong ginagawa sa nirerecord ko ang ganda na. Ganun din ung sa i5. Tapos ung i5, f10, f12, metal ung casing and since nakakabit sya sa snare and toms, kaya nya kahit paano iwithstand ung matamaan sya ng stick :-)

Hardware recording ang setup ko (fostex hard disk recorder) - kailangan ng mixer (yamaha mg series) dahil sa number of inputs.

starting to mic the drums is a dangerous path (for the person and his wallet :-) ). Dyan nagsisimula lahat :-) Una mic, susunod stands/clips, susunod recorder (or computer + interface + softare) susunod processing / production tools. Wala pa yung sound proofing and acoustics ng room :-)

Ano pala objective mo bakit mo gusto mic? Sometimes a camera could do, or maybe one of those portable recorders (ganda nung zoom q3 :-)). Depende sa objective mo, you might be able to get by with some of the cheap mics, post-processing lang ang katapat nyan :-D


BTW, the drum recording thread might also help...

thanks for the input bro!

gusto ko muna itry at pagaralan dito sa house then if alam ko na, will try to apply it sa church.
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: wireme on December 06, 2009, 11:38:55 PM
yup ok na yan.

dito nakakabit sa kin http://www.presonus.com/products/Detail.aspx?ProductId=43

wag ka na bumili ng mixer. my firestudio project can be a stand-alone mixer if i need it to mic my drums live or i can use it with my pc to record drum tracks at home. i got it at ebay for 15k used. kapresyo lang ng mga  8-channel mixers din kaya dito ka na lang.

maraming salamat! sige makapaghanap din ng used, hehehe! kung malapit ka lang, magpapaturo at magpapatulong ako sayo, libre na lang kita sa burger store ko. :lol:
Title: Re: Drum microphones
Post by: phfreq on December 07, 2009, 09:09:43 AM
thanks for the input bro!

gusto ko muna itry at pagaralan dito sa house then if alam ko na, will try to apply it sa church.

ah ok. Kung ultimately gagamitin sa church, I would suggest starting it right and start kaagad dun sa intented venue and purpose. Research and read a lot. Tapos, sa mic'ing, maraming factors -- set, drummer, location, etc.. Ang mangyayari, experimentation pa rin ng placement, levels, processing, etc... The setup that works at home might not work dun sa venue -- room acoustics, area where the sound needs to be propagated, speakers/PA, etc..

visiting other churches, talking to how they're setup, looking at their equipment, and talking to whoever's in charge will be a lot of help. You'll know which ones work and which don't, what their problems are and how they solved it. Pag bumisita, kung makukuhanan mo ng picture / video ung place -- carpeted ba, maraming windows, walls, curtains, PA, etc.. Basically venue acoustics.

Goog luck in your quest :-)



Title: mic for kick drum
Post by: fredpogi on March 02, 2010, 09:27:01 AM
pede po ba humingi ng suggestions kung anung mic ang ginagamit for kick drum? sana po yung mura lang irekominda nyo dahil tight ang budget ko. wag naman yung pangit ang tunog. at least "decent" sounding po. salamat sa inyo! :-D
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: uglyguy on March 02, 2010, 10:40:07 AM
AKG D-112
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: barabbas on March 02, 2010, 11:31:20 AM
AKG D-112

AKG D-112 yan ang mismo sa lahat.....
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: pmack on March 02, 2010, 02:42:29 PM
in a budget daw mga bro. d112's are way above the 10K price range.
for something cheaper but does the job well, i would suggest samson's q-kick. it's not perfect pero it's way above decent.
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: mr. trigger on March 02, 2010, 02:51:33 PM
JTS TX-2 kick mic  :wink: abot kaya.. ok pa sa performance hehehe yan gamit ko e
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: barabbas on March 02, 2010, 05:00:01 PM
mag shure microphones ka... atleast eto trusted name SHURE PG52XLR mura lang yan around 5k + lang......
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: peeves24 on March 02, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
in a budget daw mga bro. d112's are way above the 10K price range.
for something cheaper but does the job well, i would suggest samson's q-kick. it's not perfect pero it's way above decent.

+1

samson q-kick for 2400 is more than decent  :wink:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2523/4121815040_9156b8faae.jpg)
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: drumachine on March 02, 2010, 08:23:19 PM

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2523/4121815040_9156b8faae.jpg)

setup mo to sir?
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: peeves24 on March 02, 2010, 10:07:40 PM
yep
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: drumachine on March 02, 2010, 11:22:58 PM
bow! di ka talaga nauubusan! galing!
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: boyet garcia on March 03, 2010, 11:37:47 AM
subukan niyo po ae 2500 nang audiotechnica kung meron na sa pinas yan po ang ultimate drum kick mic Features
The ultimate kick-drum mic

Revolutionary dual-element design represents a ground-breaking transducer achievement

Two elements (condenser and dynamic) are enclosed in a single housing

Dynamic element delivers the aggressive attack of the beater while the condenser captures the round tonalities of the shell

Elements are positioned in a perfect phase relationship, something practically unachievable with two separate microphones

Robust design for enduring dependability on the road

Integral 80 Hz HPF switch and 10 dB pad on condenser element

Includes a 16.5' (5 m) cable (5-pin XLRF to two standard 3-pin XLRM connectors) for separate control over each element

Specification
Elements: Condenser, dynamic

Signal to Noise Ratio: 70 dB, 1 kHz at 1 Pa (condenser)

Polar Pattern: Cardioid

Dynamic Range (Typical): 124 dB, 1 kHz at Max. SPL (condenser)

Frequency Response:
20 - 17,000 Hz (condenser)
30 - 10,000 (dynamic)

Phantom Power Requirements: 11-52V, 3 mA typical (condenser)

Open Circuit Sensitivity:
-51 dB (2.8 mV) re 1V at 1 Pa (condenser)
-54 dB (1.9 mV) re 1V at 1 Pa (dynamic)

Switches: 10 dB pad; roll-off (condenser)

Impedance:
100 ohms (condenser)
600 ohms (dynamic)

Low Frequency Roll-off: 80 Hz, 12 dB per octave (condenser)

Maximum Input Sound Level: 148 dB SPL, 1 kHz at 1% T.H.D. (condenser)

Weight: 13.8 oz (390 g)

Output Connector: Integral 5-pin XLRM-type
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: matanilawin on March 03, 2010, 05:06:38 PM
AUDIX D6 Instrument Mic
Title: Re: mic for kick drum
Post by: pmack on March 04, 2010, 12:45:23 AM
AUDIX D6 Instrument Mic

eto natry ko rin. maganda rin siyang all-around drum mic, hindi lang pang-kick.
may nirecord na drum track using only one mic. it's this mic. with a little eq tweaking, ok yung kinalabasan (for demo lang ha syempre).
Title: Drum with Mics
Post by: MaKaManDaG on June 11, 2010, 11:32:37 PM
Mga sirs, ano the best EQ settings para sa drums ko....nkabili kasi ako ng Shure Drum Kit (7 mics) bale alam naman natin yung settings para sa Bass Drum Mic na more on Low freq sa mixer EQ.... suggest naman kayo sir kung anong the best settings para sa snare mic,tom1 mic,tom2 mic,floor tom mic and syempre sa 2 phantom power mics na naka angat para sa mga cymbals, yung settings ko kasi pachambahan lang, masyado matinning sakit sa tenga hehehehe....tnx po mga sirs :D
Title: Re: Drum with Mics
Post by: Justin Maulit on June 12, 2010, 11:53:48 PM
Sa church namin di na namin ineequalizer eh  :-D Kung ano yung tunog nung drums with the mic and all, yun na yun. I don't think equalizing is necessary, but thats just me. Hope that helped  :-D
Title: Re: Drum with Mics
Post by: ishen006 on June 13, 2010, 10:27:14 AM
gano ba kalaki yung church nyo sir makamandag? and anong drums ang gamit nyo.,
Title: Re: Drum with Mics
Post by: peeves24 on June 13, 2010, 12:36:53 PM
Mga sirs, ano the best EQ settings para sa drums ko....nkabili kasi ako ng Shure Drum Kit (7 mics) bale alam naman natin yung settings para sa Bass Drum Mic na more on Low freq sa mixer EQ.... suggest naman kayo sir kung anong the best settings para sa snare mic,tom1 mic,tom2 mic,floor tom mic and syempre sa 2 phantom power mics na naka angat para sa mga cymbals, yung settings ko kasi pachambahan lang, masyado matinning sakit sa tenga hehehehe....tnx po mga sirs :D

maybe its not your eq. the #1 problem is always the room especially for churches where there are no acoustic treatments at all.


the best eq for drums are:

1. having the best possible tuning on your drums with fresh heads and has the best cymbals you can buy
2. good room acoustics

no amount of board tweaking will ever come close to that
Title: Re: Drum with Mics
Post by: ishen006 on June 13, 2010, 07:55:26 PM
agree ako kay sir peeves.,
mas mganda kung flat mix lang yung mga mics,Shure naman e,,cguro kelangan nyong palitan yung heads ng drums,
Title: Mics on Drums: sounds shooutout
Post by: Sound-Weavers.com on May 17, 2011, 09:30:34 AM
just want to share drum micing shootout: joey jordison, GMS, TAKEN snares (http://www.sound-weavers.com/drums/snare-and-drum-mics-miking-joey-jordison/)  :mrgreen:

enjoy

Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: cs_mapper on May 17, 2011, 01:33:14 PM
nice! dami ko natutuhan dito.

nung kapanahunan ko sa drum woodshedding (1990's) eh gamit ko lang ay isang
sony or marantz tape deck and some dynamic and condenser mics.
kailangan ko lang kasi marinig sarili ko at ang banda ko kung
maayos na kami tumugtog kaya ok na ok na ganitong simpleng set-up very clear naman yung sound kahit syempre di tlga studio quality LoL!
eventually nagka mixer ako na may 12 mic inputs ata na di ko rin nagamit ng husto
kasi nai-swap ko ng mga zildjian and paiste cymbals.
during gigs naman eh walkman lang gamit ko pra marecord ang gig
kung ayaw ako pagbigyan nung sound-technician na record ang set namin.

super good idea ang record ang sarili at ang grupo kasi dyan
malalaman tlga kung may improvement at mairecord for prosperity yung mga sparking spontaneous creative moments hehe!

Lately I want to record myself again but my super old tape deck is busted already
bukod sa ayoko ko na rin gumamit ng mga cassette tapes hehe.
Baka try ko muna gamitin tong sony digicam ko baka pwede magican using some
audio editing software to compress the sound a little para di masyadong sabog.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: jmdesign on May 20, 2011, 07:46:34 AM
Sample using DR1

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Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mokie on November 29, 2011, 11:10:59 AM
help guys, ano kayang magandang recording device ang maganda pa marecord ko and drums, sa mga response dito sa thread na to mukhang mahirap kasi kung gagamit pa ko ng mics. suggest naman po kayo kung ano ang magandang pangrecord. ngayon ay merong zoom h4(h4 ata yun) sa JB music, ok ba ito? comments naman mga sir, thanks!
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: pmack on November 29, 2011, 01:52:07 PM
help guys, ano kayang magandang recording device ang maganda pa marecord ko and drums, sa mga response dito sa thread na to mukhang mahirap kasi kung gagamit pa ko ng mics. suggest naman po kayo kung ano ang magandang pangrecord. ngayon ay merong zoom h4(h4 ata yun) sa JB music, ok ba ito? comments naman mga sir, thanks!

@mokie

mahirap magrecord ng kahit anong bagay without using mics. in fact, it's impossible to record any sound without mics.
even your zoom h4 merong pair of mics.  :-D

to answer you question, isipipn mo, ano ba gusto mong makamit?
gusto mo ba ng magandang drum tracks na broadcast worthy na or gusto mo lang ng way para mapakinggan yung sarili mo while practicing/gigging?

if gusto mo lang mapakinggan sarili mo, then your zoomh4 is enough.
kung gusto mo naman ng mas mataas na quality ng audio, like for example, demo/cd quality, then there is no other way than to use at least 2-4 mics (+mixer/interface).

pero like what peeves said, nakaka-addict itong drum recording, hehehe. isa rin ako sa mga biktima nito.

P.S. nasubukan ko yung zoomh4 nung kabanda ko, actually im impressed sa quality ng sound niya. hindi lang namin na-maximize masyado since gahol kami sa oras sa studio niya that time. pero i bet if you have a great sounding room and fine the room's sweet spot, saktong-sakto na yan...
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mokie on November 30, 2011, 08:30:50 AM
mga magkano magagastos sir if i'm going to use mics, or mixers? yung good quality sound na po. thanks!
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on November 30, 2011, 10:34:56 AM
samson mics 15k
cables 10k
8channel interface 20k and up. buy 2nd hand to lower the cost. you wont need a mixer.
mic stands for overheads 1800 each
dual core or quad core pc, 30k and up
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: plitipiw40315 on November 30, 2011, 10:48:22 AM
samson mics 15k
cables 10k
8channel interface 20k and up. buy 2nd hand to lower the cost. you wont need a mixer.
mic stands for overheads 1800 each
dual core or quad core pc, 30k and up

:eek: aray ko.. 
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: mokie on November 30, 2011, 12:44:35 PM
thank you sir sa info,meron naman na kong dual core pc ok na siguro un.. start na ko magipon.   :roll:
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: popsicle on November 30, 2011, 05:00:56 PM
samson mics 15k
cables 10k
8channel interface 20k and up. buy 2nd hand to lower the cost. you wont need a mixer.
mic stands for overheads 1800 each
dual core or quad core pc, 30k and up

pao, question lang sa interface. kapag sinabi bang 4 inputs tulad ng fast track pro tsaka mobile pre ibig sabihin ba nun pwede ko marecord ay 4 different tracks? ganun din ba sa mga mixer tulad ng behringer xenyx na may mga usb interface? salamat!
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on December 01, 2011, 03:21:41 AM
yung behringer xenyx pre 2 channels lang usb nun

pero yung fast track 4 channels talaga yun pero 2 lang mic pres. yung 2 channels nya line level na. make sure kung sa drums mo gagamitin, maraming mic preamps yung interface or else, bibili ka pa ng mixer na may direct outs per channel or yung may inserts para magamit mo dun sa line level inputs.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: jcbska on December 01, 2011, 01:50:01 PM
samson mics 15k
cables 10k
8channel interface 20k and up. buy 2nd hand to lower the cost. you wont need a mixer.
mic stands for overheads 1800 each
dual core or quad core pc, 30k and up

mismo kuya peeves! hehe  masakit talaga sa bulsa.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: peeves24 on December 02, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
pre mas masakit kapag nasira yung interface hahaha. namatay na yung isang firestudio project ko. balik ako sa 8 channels ulit. planning to upgrade sa rme fireface 800 by next year...masakit sa bulsa pero i hate the way presonus treats old and existing customers. kapag na phase out kasi yung model, tigil na sila support.
Title: Re: mic-ing and recording your drums
Post by: jcbska on December 14, 2011, 12:43:33 PM
pre mas masakit kapag nasira yung interface hahaha. namatay na yung isang firestudio project ko. balik ako sa 8 channels ulit. planning to upgrade sa rme fireface 800 by next year...masakit sa bulsa pero i hate the way presonus treats old and existing customers. kapag na phase out kasi yung model, tigil na sila support.

hala anong nangyari sa firestudio mo kuya peeves? bago pa un ah? di na nagawa? sayang and masakit nga sa bulsa
Title: best bass drum mic?
Post by: soulstitch on January 23, 2012, 04:33:03 AM
mga sirs ano po bang pinaka panalong bass drum mic shure beta 52, akg d112, or audix d6? salamat
Title: Re: best bass drum mic?
Post by: nickmar on January 23, 2012, 07:33:04 AM
I have these 3 mics. Pero favorite ko yung akg d 112. Fuller yung sound kahit konti lang EQ.I'm using d6 on my 16 floor tom. Maganda kung makapasyal ka dito sa bahay para yung magustuhan mo iuwi mo na
Title: Re: best bass drum mic?
Post by: soulstitch on January 23, 2012, 01:17:53 PM
I have these 3 mics. Pero favorite ko yung akg d 112. Fuller yung sound kahit konti lang EQ.I'm using d6 on my 16 floor tom. Maganda kung makapasyal ka dito sa bahay para yung magustuhan mo iuwi mo na
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Title: Hat mic vs. overhead mic
Post by: tipsyboy on January 24, 2012, 04:15:28 AM
We have a Gretsch Catalina Maple kit set up in church with five cymbals (hats, ride, 2 crashes, china). I have two SM81s--one as an overhead, and one for the hi-hats. Usually, nakukulangan ako sa tunog ng cymbals, and since we're not about to make major instrumental purchases any time soon, I'm thinking of using both SM81s as overhead mics at the expense of hi-hats. Iniisip ko baka pwedeng mabawi yung hi-hats through the overheads. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do experiments, so I'm asking for opinions. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Hat mic vs. overhead mic
Post by: inigo on January 24, 2012, 09:43:51 AM
During one soundcheck, test with both setups (quick 1 minute adjustments lang naman yun) if you can hear the hats adequately from a distance (like, from the back of the church). Have someone hit on the drums and cymbals while you listen at the other end of the room. The test should take a total of 5 minutes.

If you don't have 5 minutes, I think you should retain the close micing if your cymbals are a brass model (Planet Z, Meinl Headliner, etc)
or go ahead with placing 2 overheads if you have bronze models (from Zildjian ZHT, ZBT or ZXT, Sabian B8, Paiste Alpha, etc, and higher models). Reason being brass models do not project as much as the bronze models.

I guess it will depends na rin on your musical intentions. My suggestion assumes that keeping the beat might (hi hats) be more important in getting crowds to sing than song climaxes (crashes). On the flip side, I've heard some gigs in some churches wherein the beat wasn't as important as the crescendos, because the songs they used were dramatic and, um, Evanesence-ish.
Title: Re: Hat mic vs. overhead mic
Post by: peeves24 on January 24, 2012, 08:29:39 PM
We have a Gretsch Catalina Maple kit set up in church with five cymbals (hats, ride, 2 crashes, china). I have two SM81s--one as an overhead, and one for the hi-hats. Usually, nakukulangan ako sa tunog ng cymbals, and since we're not about to make major instrumental purchases any time soon, I'm thinking of using both SM81s as overhead mics at the expense of hi-hats. Iniisip ko baka pwedeng mabawi yung hi-hats through the overheads. Unfortunately, I don't have time to do experiments, so I'm asking for opinions. What do you guys think?

try the glyn johns technique. doesnt matter how many cymbals you have.

(http://www.abgeguckt.com/yankee/IMG_1068.JPG)

2 overheads, 1 snare and 1 kick. just hope and pray that the drummer can balance  the drums by himself. ang downside lang nito, masyado naman yung makukuha nya na bleed na galing sa guitar at bass amps. ok sya kung may drum shield ka

curious lang ako. ano yung hihat mo? kasi kung something like zbt/zht/b8/101/ or any other entry level cymbal, kulang talaga sa volume yun compared sa zildjian avedis or sabian AA hats na cheapest highend hihats na mabibili mo.
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: tipsyboy on January 25, 2012, 12:12:35 AM
May drum shield naman, so wala namang bleed. Actually, ayoko nga nun eh. Minsan lahat sila nagtatawanan, and I feel left out.  :cry: But yeah, it does minimize the bleeding greatly, if there's even any that get through.

Ang hi-hats ko either 13" K/Z, or 14" K Custom Dark Hats.
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: dreendroid on February 11, 2012, 02:48:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbn27JmiHHs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbn27JmiHHs)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUUMrwyXDGA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUUMrwyXDGA)

share ko lang sakin....i just use 5 karaoke/dynamic mics, really cheap. i don't even use condensers. haha
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: LyricPH on February 11, 2012, 04:02:34 PM
Currently available:

MXL A-55 KICKER -
(http://www.mxlmics.com/microphones/live/A-55-Kicker/images/A-55_Kicker_large.jpg)

MXL CUBE -
(http://www.mxlmics.com/microphones/live/Cube/images/Cube_large.jpg)

More models coming soon!
Title: HOW TO RECORD A DRUMS?
Post by: bulok on July 03, 2012, 02:08:10 PM
padelete na lang kung may ganitong topic na pero ngayon kasi nagbabalak na ako magrecord ng drums sa bahay.. ano ba masa-suggest nyo na gear for tight budget guy like me? at paano ba ang setup? mic - mixer/audio interface - laptop? ok na ba yan?
Title: Re: HOW TO RECORD A DRUMS?
Post by: inigo on July 03, 2012, 02:40:33 PM
Given a tight budget...

No. of mics:
2 mic setup: Kick & overhead
3 mic setup: Kick, snare, & overhead
4 or more mic setup: Kick, snare, one for each tom, 1 or more overhead, 1 or more room mics.
(Depende na kung ano kailangan mo, or kung magkano ang budget)

Kind of mics:
Samson, Nady, or CAD drum mic sets are cheap at 5k to 15k (second-hand). If generic mics are your budget, get dynamic mics, which are about 500 each.
Where to buy... Samson, sa Audiophile. I'm not sure about the others. Call Lazer, JB, Music Source, and Lyric, to ask.

Mixer/audio interface:
Get an audio interface, which most often already have mixer functions that you need (e.g., gain knob).
Firewire is preferred, pero since tight budget ka, USB na lang.
- 2 mic audio interface: M-Audio Fast Track Pro is new at 14k, second hand for as low as 7k.
- 3-8 mic audio interface: maraming options, but to give you a short list:
(1) 2nd hand MOTU or Presonus interfaces sometimes show up in the classifieds. Say, 10-15k
(3) Alesis MultiMix 8 USB. Second hand for less than 10k.
(2) get an M-Audio Fast Track pro and a cheap mixer (costs about 5k new for 4-channels sa Raon stores). You will record more than 2 mics, pero you will only be able to edit 2. So, you should test the levels and mic placement before you record.

Computer:
Basta may USB port or Firewire port. Match your audio interface with what computer you already have.

I hope this can help you start. Marami ring available articles and forums in the net, basta matiyaga ka lang maghanap at magbasa. :-)
Title: Re: HOW TO RECORD A DRUMS?
Post by: inigo on July 03, 2012, 03:06:53 PM
By the way...

... For overhead mics, get a large-diaphragm condenser. May Samson, Nady, or Behringer na 3-4k ata (second-hand).
... Also factor in the cost of mic cables and stands.
Title: Re: HOW TO RECORD A DRUMS?
Post by: bulok on July 03, 2012, 08:49:04 PM
By the way...

... For overhead mics, get a large-diaphragm condenser. May Samson, Nady, or Behringer na 3-4k ata (second-hand).
... Also factor in the cost of mic cables and stands.

salamat!
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: otepandrew on July 04, 2012, 11:54:03 AM
sir medyo low budjet po kasi ako ngayon eh pero ok lang po ba ung JTS na brand ng drum mic? medyo may kamahalan kasi ang shure e
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: inigo on July 04, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
sir medyo low budjet po kasi ako ngayon eh pero ok lang po ba ung JTS na brand ng drum mic? medyo may kamahalan kasi ang shure e

Wala akong experience sa JTS, pero sige go lang! (kesa naman wala ka nang gagamitin diba? hehehe).

Yun nga lang, chineck ko online prices, parang mas mura pa rin ang Samson or Nady mics than JTS.
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: bulok on July 04, 2012, 09:32:17 PM
saan ba merong nady mic? at anung audio usb interface na mura pero ok ang quality na kaya ang mga 4mics?ok ba yung peavey pv8?
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: mokie on July 09, 2012, 07:11:58 PM
mga sir, mas ok ba yung audix fusion mics kaysa sa Samson mics?
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: peeves24 on July 09, 2012, 08:39:14 PM
mga sir, mas ok ba yung audix fusion mics kaysa sa Samson mics?

na compare ko yung audix F series sa samson Q series - di ko madistinguish. go with samson, mas mura pero pareho lang tunog
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: mokie on July 09, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
na compare ko yung audix F series sa samson Q series - di ko madistinguish. go with samson, mas mura pero pareho lang tunog

ok sir, thanks!
problema lang wala pang stock yung channel.com.ph ngayon.  :eek:
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: dreendroid on July 12, 2012, 11:14:16 PM
Matagal ng ganto ang recording setup ko. Sagad lang sa mixing sa Cubase at sa Mixer; Mostly sagad sa treble and controlled ang  mids. Walang overheads. 5 mics lang in total: Snare, tom, tom, floor tom, kick. Nagbbleed un cymbals sa tom mics. Dynamic mics lang lahat un tig 300 sa Astrovision. hahaha magandang share lang experiment ko lang kase to dati hanggat sa nagustuhan ko rin.

Check it out in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOvHdg1xXw&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOvHdg1xXw&feature=plcp)
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: peeves24 on July 13, 2012, 07:22:54 AM
may superlux mics na din sa lazer. dumadami na cheaps mics dito.

Matagal ng ganto ang recording setup ko. Sagad lang sa mixing sa Cubase at sa Mixer; Mostly sagad sa treble and controlled ang  mids. Walang overheads. 5 mics lang in total: Snare, tom, tom, floor tom, kick. Nagbbleed un cymbals sa tom mics. Dynamic mics lang lahat un tig 300 sa Astrovision. hahaha magandang share lang experiment ko lang kase to dati hanggat sa nagustuhan ko rin.

Check it out in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOvHdg1xXw&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlOvHdg1xXw&feature=plcp)

dude, you can improve your kick drum sound. bili ka ng samson qkick. hindi kasi kaya macapture ng karaoke mics yung lows ng kick drum kaya walang oomph yung tunog
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: metaura on July 13, 2012, 07:33:12 AM
Sir peeves magkano po srp ng superlux?
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: otepandrew on August 10, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
Wala akong experience sa JTS, pero sige go lang! (kesa naman wala ka nang gagamitin diba? hehehe).

Yun nga lang, chineck ko online prices, parang mas mura pa rin ang Samson or Nady mics than JTS.


ah ok ok baka mas ok ung JTS kasi mas mahal eh minsan kasi ganon un eh kaya mas mahal kasi mas maganda pumick up ung mic na un "JTS"
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: davecampos on August 24, 2012, 11:10:03 PM
Tanong lang po. Mas okay po ba na bumili na lang ako ng M-Audio Fast Track Ultra 8R kaysa yung Soundcraft EFX8 Mixer + Behringer RCA (Audio Interface)?
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: peeves24 on August 25, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
depends.

mag live sound ka ba? if yes get the efx8. talo ka dito kasi walang multitrack recording.

sa bahay ka lang ba at magrerecord? get the m-audio. talo ka dito sa live kasi magdadala ka pa pc/laptop para magamit
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: davecampos on August 25, 2012, 09:54:15 PM
depends.

mag live sound ka ba? if yes get the efx8. talo ka dito kasi walang multitrack recording.

sa bahay ka lang ba at magrerecord? get the m-audio. talo ka dito sa live kasi magdadala ka pa pc/laptop para magamit

Ahh, sa bahay lang naman ako magrecord. Last na tanong po, anong advantage/s ng multitrack recorder? At tska pag bbili ako ng drum mics, mas ok ba yung drum mic package or kahit 2 overhead + 1 snare + 1 bass mic na lang?
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: peeves24 on August 26, 2012, 10:05:04 AM
kapag soundcraft + behri rca binili mo, stereo signal na lang yung pupunta sa pc kaya kapag pangit ang pagkakatimpla mo sa mixer or pagkasetup mo ng mic, wala ka na magagawa para ayusin yung timpla mo sa pc. sa multitrack, syempre bawat instrumento na may mic e narerecord sa sarili nyang channel. magkakaron ka ng 8 signals na pwedeng itweak sa pc yung tunog.

kung m-audio bibilin mo e di gamitin mo lahat ng inputs, bilin mo na yung set. wag mo na tipirin sa oh+snare+kick lang.
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: davecampos on August 26, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
kapag soundcraft + behri rca binili mo, stereo signal na lang yung pupunta sa pc kaya kapag pangit ang pagkakatimpla mo sa mixer or pagkasetup mo ng mic, wala ka na magagawa para ayusin yung timpla mo sa pc. sa multitrack, syempre bawat instrumento na may mic e narerecord sa sarili nyang channel. magkakaron ka ng 8 signals na pwedeng itweak sa pc yung tunog.

kung m-audio bibilin mo e di gamitin mo lahat ng inputs, bilin mo na yung set. wag mo na tipirin sa oh+snare+kick lang.

ahhh, salamat sa advice sir. ipon2 na ng pera haha
Title: MXL Studio Microphone Drum Kit
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on August 20, 2013, 01:58:40 PM
Hello guys,

Has anyone tried MXL drum kit for recording?

http://www.mxlmics.com/microphones/Kits/Studio-Drum/

Any reviews here..

Tnx
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on September 13, 2013, 10:36:46 AM
Mga sir, I'm considering in investing on drum mics since I'm quite satisfied na with my drum set up. Gusto ko naman tahakin ang madugong landas ng Drum Recordings..

Meron po akong Mackie 402V-LZ3 mixer. 4 channels lang siya.
(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m494/musicianurse/402VLZ3_zpsbdcec2a7.jpg)

Balak ko sanang 2 condensers, 1 for kick, and 1 for snare ang pag-gagamitan neto.
I'm thinking of using a pair of Behringer C-2 for overheads, Shure SM57 for snare, and I don't know yet for the kick. Anyway, pwede kaya itong balak ko para sa mixer ko?

Tsaka ano pa po ba ang kakailanganin pa bukod sa hiwalay na cost ng cables and stands/clips for mics?

For home use lang naman para malaman kung ano pang kailangan ko i-improve sa sarili ko. From the mixer, balak ko rin sana i-connect sa video recorder. Thanks
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: peeves24 on September 13, 2013, 10:50:29 AM
err 2 mic channels lang yan. san mo isasaksak yung 2 other mics?

buy superlux condensers sa lazer instead of behringer c2. kick drum mic, samson qkick pinakamura

pero kung gusto mo lang irecord practice, iphone/ipad/android will do. bili ka ng zoom h1 kung gusto mo better quality, eto na yung best compromise sa sound at price. syempre yung ibang portable stereo recorders mas mahal na dyan.
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on September 13, 2013, 11:08:57 AM
err 2 mic channels lang yan. san mo isasaksak yung 2 other mics?

buy superlux condensers sa lazer instead of behringer c2. kick drum mic, samson qkick pinakamura

pero kung gusto mo lang irecord practice, iphone/ipad/android will do. bili ka ng zoom h1 kung gusto mo better quality, eto na yung best compromise sa sound at price. syempre yung ibang portable stereo recorders mas mahal na dyan.

Sir yung sa Kick isasaksak ko sa Line 1, yung Snare sa Line 2 naman. Yung 2 condensers naman Line 3 and 4, sa baba po ng Main Out na saksakan. Tama po ba? Pwede naman po ata eh.  :-(
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: s2ry0fdyr on September 13, 2013, 11:45:46 AM

I realize that you can get a good drum sound with just 2 OH mic, then use drum trigger for kick-snare-toms -> plug directly to the audio interface. (No need for drum module)
Insert plug-ins like drumagog or steven slate to the triggered audio file.
Eq the overhead mics .-high pass filter
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: peeves24 on September 13, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
Sir yung sa Kick isasaksak ko sa Line 1, yung Snare sa Line 2 naman. Yung 2 condensers naman Line 3 and 4, sa baba po ng Main Out na saksakan. Tama po ba? Pwede naman po ata eh.  :-(

no

1. condensers need phantom power, walang phantom power ang line in 3 and 4
2. line in and mic in have different voltage requirements and impedance levels

pero kung gusto mo, sa channels 1 and 2 yung overhead at sa 3 and 4 yung kick at snare. make sure lang na short cables lang gagamitin mo sa 3 and 4. the reason why hindi advisable ang mic isaksak sa line in a maaamplify masyado yung noise at kung mahaba yung cable mo, it will act as antenna so you will receive more noise and even radio stations.
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on September 13, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
no

1. condensers need phantom power, walang phantom power ang line in 3 and 4
2. line in and mic in have different voltage requirements and impedance levels

pero kung gusto mo, sa channels 1 and 2 yung overhead at sa 3 and 4 yung kick at snare. make sure lang na short cables lang gagamitin mo sa 3 and 4. the reason why hindi advisable ang mic isaksak sa line in a maaamplify masyado yung noise at kung mahaba yung cable mo, it will act as antenna so you will receive more noise and even radio stations.

Master Peeves maraming maraming salamat sa lahat ng ito na binabahagi mo, sobrang salamat at ngayon nalinawan na ko.

1. Kala ko po from Lines 1 to 4 may Phantom Power, Lines 1 and 2 lang pala. Ngayon alam ko na. Maraming salamat! And yes sir, nabasa ko nga sa ibang reviews na kailangan ng Phantom Power ang Condenser. Yung Behringer C-2 pala, binebenta saken sa murang halaga. Parang pamigay na nga halos. Mag sisimula muna ko dito sir, tutal starter pa lang naman ako sa mga drum micings.

2. Line in and Mic in sir ngayon ko lang rin nalaman yang pagkaka-iba nila. Sana mas matutunan ko pa sa mga susunod na pagkakataon. Salamat ulet sir. Bale sir, ano po ba yung "impedance"? May nakapag-sabi na rin saken ng tungkol dyan pero di ko talaga maintindihan eh. Salamat sir!

Sir pwede pala yun? Condensers sa Line 1 and 2 tas yung sa Kick at Snare naman sa Lines 3 and 4? Adi kung sakali po pala sa recording niyan eh, kung sakali sa Line 3 (L) yung Kick and Line 4 (R) naman yung Snare, pag naka-earphones sa Left earphone lang rinig yung Kick tas yung Snare naman sa Right earphone lang? Tama po ba?

Maraming salamat ulet sir sa mga infos na ito about micing. Kahit papaano mababawasan yung oras at gastos ko sa trial and error. Salamat!
Title: Re: Drum Mics / Drum Micing Thread
Post by: musicianurse28 on October 04, 2013, 12:00:51 AM

buy superlux condensers sa lazer instead of behringer c2. kick drum mic, samson qkick pinakamura


Master peeves, ano pong Superlux condenser model ang sinasabi niyo po? Thanks