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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: bolshoi on June 12, 2006, 07:33:11 PM
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good day.
i need help in soundproofing my room.
where should i buy the stuffs for soundproofing? (locally ha)
and how to construct it na hindi masyado mahalang magagastos. :lol:
the ideal design on blocking the sound para hindi makalabas
sa other side of the wall.
i will make a partition dividing 1 room into two rooms.
how to make this partition soundproof.
thanks.
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pre mahal talaga mag soundproof ng room. the cheapest way is to heavily dampen your drum heads and cymbals. you might not get the most sound out of your kit but it will do well it your only practicing exercises.
but if you still want to build a sound proof room, well the best is still to build another room inside your room. give a few inches clearance between the outer room and inner room. isolate the ceiling and the floor too. the inner room can have concrete walls but double walling with plywood will do (maybe 3-5 walls). the goal is too lessen the vibration from the inner room going to the outermost wall. no vibration = no sound. you can use a special foam inbetween the walls to dampen the vibration further.
egg cartons do not lessen noise, they just deflect high frequencies to reduce echo inside the room. this gives you the illusion that you are sound proofing.
nice meeting you sa eb pre!
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thanks for your reply.
i have this room na gusto ko i divide into two. lagyan ko ng partition to make it two rooms.
in constructing this partition, mas ok ba using gypsum board or hardiflex with the acoustic foam inbetween insted of plywoods to block the sound para hindi marinig sa kabilang side?
thanks again master peeves
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doesnt matter if you use gypsum or hardiflex kasi isa lang yung floor mo between the rooms. useless yung walls kung hindi ka gagawa ng riser for the floor at isa pang internal ceiling. yung floor ang magseserve na medium para mag travel yung sound
as much as possible, dapat minimal yung contact nung inner walls, floor at ceiling mo dun sa outer room.
suggestion ko lang, if you are really concerned about your neighbors, buy an electronic drumset like roland vdrums. kasi for the cost of sound proofing, you'd be able to afford 100k worth of equipment.
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my drum room is not sound proofed. i used to regularly play from 6pm to 7pm on weekdays. on weekends i play around 3pm to 7pm. my neighbors got used to it so i dont get complaints. id never hit the drums full on during regular hours and never past 8pm. id put rubber over the heads and do not use cymbals if and when i really want to play.
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salamat master peeves.
punta ko sa house mo. gusto ko kasi marinig yun saluda cymbals mo e.
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salamat master peeves.
punta ko sa house mo. gusto ko kasi marinig yun saluda cymbals mo e.
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o nga pala wag mo naman ako tawagin master kakahiya :oops:
kung gusto mo try, sa sunday ilalabas ko silang lahat para magrecord. sa cubao yung studio pm na lang kita later for the details.
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suggestions pa po.
we really need this kasi madami ang maiinis satin at talagang maingay mag drums pag nasa open room kalang.
thanks.
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ei mga kuya ano ba mga materials na pede gamitin sa soundproofing?
at anong gagawin sa materials na yon. (pano ilagay, ano gagamitin na pandikit, etc..)
thanks :wink:
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The best na gawin mo ay magpunta ka sa mga practice/recording studio.Dun malamang makakuha ka ng mas malinaw na impormasyon tungkol sa sound proofing.Magtanong mo din tungkol sa Presyo at kung saan nakakabili at paano i-install.
Pwede ka din mag search sa net.Type mo lang "Soundproofing for home recording studio" Sigurado meron kang mahahagilap na tips at info.Gud lukk!
Cute ng Artwork mo a,he he he....
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hehe cute ba?
dati kasi dun sa pinag drum-lessons ko na studio eh parang matigas na styrofoam lang, tapos kahit malakas palo onting onting tunog lang ang naririnig...
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parang may mga maliliit na butas rin pala dun sa matigas na styro.
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dito smin ung isang studio puno ng "lagayan ng itlog" un lahat ng pader... hehehe
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hehe effective daw yun eh..
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Di ako pwede mag comment jan.Madaming factors ang dapat i consider para matiyak kung bakit "onting onti" lang ang tunog dun sa studio kamo...
Hmmmmm....baka barbecue stick ang gamit mo!Heee he he Joke lang!:lol:
Mahirap na ipaliwanag ko sa iyo 'to bro.Di ako expert sa Acoustics e.
Pero sa pagkakaalam ko.Ganun talaga ang epekto ng gypsum board at iba pang soundproofing materials. Kino control nito ang resonance ng tunog.Nababawasan ang high frequencies(kalansing) mas mabilis ang decay ng tunog kaya parang mahina sa pandinig mo.
Search na lang sa internet muna!
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oki thanks..
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hehe effective daw yun eh..
nope, illusion lang yun kasi na diffuse yung high frequencies kaya kala mo humina yung tunog but in fact walang pagbabago sa sound pressure level.
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use basstraps, rockwool and insulation/acoustic foams...try to search yung thread sa music technology pro audio forum.. meron dun about sound accoustics and sound proofing...
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Mahirap na ipaliwanag ko sa iyo 'to bro.Di ako expert sa Acoustics e.
Pero sa pagkakaalam ko.Ganun talaga ang epekto ng gypsum board at iba pang soundproofing materials. Kino control nito ang resonance ng tunog.Nababawasan ang high frequencies(kalansing) mas mabilis ang decay ng tunog kaya parang mahina sa pandinig mo.
Search na lang sa internet muna!
tumpak sa gypsum bro
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add ko na lang din, fire hazzard ang egg trays safer pang gumamit ka na lang ng makapal na tela tapos hang mo sa mga dingding same effect din. meron ka pang control kung gusto mong makalansing o hindi yung room mo (hawiin mo lang sa tabi yung kurtina)
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sound proofing is yung hindi maririnig sa labas ng kwarto yung sound na galing sa loob. nagresearch na rin ako tungkol dyan. nung nakapagbasabasa ako ng mga payo at resources eh kinalimutan ko na lang. mahal kasi pala talaga magagastos mo. :roll: sorry wala akong naitulong sayo. hehe
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how about styrofoam?
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Foams and "lagayan ng itlog"..
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ei mga kuya ano ba mga materials na pede gamitin sa soundproofing?
at anong gagawin sa materials na yon. (pano ilagay, ano gagamitin na pandikit, etc..)
thanks :wink:
para madali, hollow blocks nalang gamitin mo. walang bintana ang kwarto at dapat parang "waterproof" na hindi sisingaw (leak) ang sound palabas ng kwarto. pati ang pinto pag sinarado, kailangan walang cracks o openings kung saan pwede sumingaw ang sound. maganda rin ang "room within a room" concept na parang doble ang wall/ceiling/floor para siguradong hindi tatagos ang sound. ito ang alam kong pinaka madali at murang paraan mag soundproof ng kwarto. tunay na akustik engineer ang nagturo nito sa akin.
hope this helps.
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dito smin ung isang studio puno ng "lagayan ng itlog" un lahat ng pader... hehehe
hindi yan pwede pang soundproofing. para sa acoustic treatment, pwede pa siguro.
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tumpak sa gypsum bro
yan ang pang soundproofing talaga. pero medyo mahirap ilagay. dalawang layer dapat at maayos ang pagkadikit. yung second layer gypsum board dapat sa gitna ng joints ang patong.
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how about styrofoam?
closed-cell yan pero para sa akin, hindi praktikal kasi kelangan makapal na makapal para maging effective.
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para madali, hollow blocks nalang gamitin mo. walang bintana ang kwarto at dapat parang "waterproof" na hindi sisingaw (leak) ang sound palabas ng kwarto. pati ang pinto pag sinarado, kailangan walang cracks o openings kung saan pwede sumingaw ang sound. maganda rin ang "room within a room" concept na parang doble ang wall/ceiling/floor para siguradong hindi tatagos ang sound. ito ang alam kong pinaka madali at murang paraan mag soundproof ng kwarto. tunay na akustik engineer ang nagturo nito sa akin.
hope this helps.
yun na! :)
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Go to this link, Si Soundmaster ang taong makakatulong sa inyo para sa soundproofing..........
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=181713&sid=c28440a174a84ba67f9d26e58a278c8a
:D
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We supply ROCKWOOL and FIBERGLASS, both are good in soundproofing
and Acoustics. They are also "FIRE RETARDANT" unlike foams and egg trays.
They are both very good for blocking and absorbing sounds.
Acoustic treatments.
We also supply Gypsum Boards and Fiber Cement Boards. "FIRE PROOF"
also and much cheaper compared to plywoods and other kind of woods.
Just let us know if you need this materials and we will give you our best offer.
Thank you very much.
Soundmaster
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how about styrofoam?
closed-cell yan pero para sa akin, hindi praktikal kasi kelangan makapal na makapal para maging effective.
gano kakapal?
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ei help..
san sa tingin nyo mas maganda ilagay yung drums? (mas mahina ang maririnig sa labas.)
yung harapan ng bahay namin ay ung street, katabi sa left ay ginagawang bahay, at sa right naman ay may isang bahay na katabi (hindi firewall to firewall).
yung likod namin ay vacant lot, sa left ung ginagawang bahay at sa right yung tapos na..
room A. (nasa right sight ng likod, katabi nung tapos na bahay)
mas malaki ng mga 2-4 sqm kaysa sa B, may 2 windows, nasa likod ng bahay.
room B. (nasa harap, katabi nung ginagawa na bahay (firewall to firewall)
mas maliit, may 1 window, merong loft..
sa harapan nga pala ng bahay namin ay isang basketball court, kaya medyo maingay pag hapon..
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how about styrofoam?
closed-cell yan pero para sa akin, hindi praktikal kasi kelangan makapal na makapal para maging effective.
gano kakapal?
huwag styrofoam. delikado, madaling masunog yan. gumamit ka nalang ng fiber cement boards at ipalaman mo ng fiberglass.
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ei help..
san sa tingin nyo mas maganda ilagay yung drums? (mas mahina ang maririnig sa labas.)
yung harapan ng bahay namin ay ung street, katabi sa left ay ginagawang bahay, at sa right naman ay may isang bahay na katabi (hindi firewall to firewall).
yung likod namin ay vacant lot, sa left ung ginagawang bahay at sa right yung tapos na..
room A. (nasa right sight ng likod, katabi nung tapos na bahay)
mas malaki ng mga 2-4 sqm kaysa sa B, may 2 windows, nasa likod ng bahay.
room B. (nasa harap, katabi nung ginagawa na bahay (firewall to firewall)
mas maliit, may 1 window, merong loft..
sa harapan nga pala ng bahay namin ay isang basketball court, kaya medyo maingay pag hapon..
sa room B ako!
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oki thanks..more replies pls... :lol:
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Drummers, please describe the location/room for your kits (drumset/amps etc). Your music room specifically..
*This could provide ideas for someone who wants to invest on those kits but being bothered by the location to put those..
Also, I would like to have an advise on this one, especially on drummers who have his set/kit at home.
I'm planning to buy a drumset, but the problem is the room for it.
My plan is to transfer to an apartment suitable for someone who wants to bang his kit (I mean those drums) everyday.
What kind of room? Where? Any conventional sound absorber that would not trigger eviction if seen by big brother or the owner of the apartment? How about the penthouse :roll:? Angry neighbors :evil:?
Thanks in advance..
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ako cheap lang "sound absorber" ko if you can call it that.
hehehe....
uratex lang. cushion yun dati sa kama eh wala nang natutulog sa kama na yun kaya kinuha ko muna. dinikit ko sa wall behind my kit using wires and nails. hehehe.. ok naman siya, kasi dati pansin ko pag pumapalo ako may konting echo ako naririnig. ngayon wala na.
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Angry neighbors :evil:?
if you do move to an apartment, be considerate that's all. schedule your playing time when you know your neighbors are fully up and about. no playing past 9pm or before 9am, sometimes dont even play during siesta time. minimize noise pollution to by playing rudiments on practice pads or pillows and not on the drums themselves.
since im an office boy who can only practice at night, i make it appoint that i play when game ka na ba starts and stop when it does. my neighbors dont care about kris so they dont mind me blasting away but id get knocks on the door when the telenovelas start :-D
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Thanks pmack/peeves24.. :wink:
pmack, I'm assuming that your kit is in your own room.. while peeves' in their sala/receiving area..
So, as long as I can suppress the sound/noise from the inside, the location won't be a problem..
How about Egg Trays? or the cork-type pads? Are they effective?
How about "GameKaNaBa-Timing-Strategy" as peeves24 stated earlier? :lol:
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i really cant comment on egg trays or cork-type pads kasi i havent used them. maraming topics about sa mga studio materials sa Music Technology & Pro Audio section ng munting forum natin.
yes, my drums are inside my own room.
i kiss it before going to bed...
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nung wala pa yung misis at baby ko. nasa kwarto ko yung drums at mga band equipments.. pero ngayon may baby na di na pwede sa kwarto.. sa salas na lang sa 2nd floor.. kaso masyadong dinig na dinig buong street kaya may oras ang pag praktis ko ngayon
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ako nasa 14x14 room yung drums ko. 2 nakaset up ( dito din nagtuturo si mar dizon kasi) acoustic boards ang nasa ceiling pos concrete wall with windows. di naman sensitive mga neighbors ko (3 kasi kaming mga musicians na tumira sa area namin), but i usually allow myself to play 10am-12noon then 2pm-7pm. pero may exceptions kunwari may banda na gusto magpractice inaabot ng 2am pero alalay lang kami sa tunog palagi.
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kung lilipat ka, the best is hanap ka ng appartment na concrete ang walls nya.. from there madali and at least sound proof na siya.. pro-problemahin mo nalang mga pinto at bintana and ceiling.... i dont advise using egg trays.. ang effect lang usually ng egg tray is for sound diffusion.. it doesnt absorb.. you can use thick foam.. pero fire hazardous material to. you might want to try fiberglass or rockwool.. the best yun.. you can look up sa pro audio room.. hanapin mo thread dun about acoustic materials.. ill be posting soon my DIY acoustic sa studio.. i hope it could help..
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add ko na rin kung apartment kunin mo, dapat concrete ung roof or roofdeck type sya. at least bintana na lang ang kelangan mong takpan.
:roll: :roll: :roll:
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:-) Thanks for those who responded..
.....kaya may oras ang pag praktis ko ngayon.....
jun, I suppose you're using the "GameKaNaBa-Timing-Strategy" by peeves.. :lol:
ako nasa 14x14 room yung drums ko. 2 nakaset up ( dito din nagtuturo si mar dizon kasi).....
vincher, 14x14 meters? laki ng room nyo kapatid.. and with Mar Dizon.. nice..
....appartment na concrete ang walls nya.. from there madali and at least sound proof na siya..
....you can use thick foam.. pero fire hazardous material to. you might want to try fiberglass or rockwool......
Agents_So/smarty, thanks for the warning and some suggestions.. :-)
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egg trays my friend... no no no.. its a waste of time
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Nasa attic lang set. No angry neighbors just angry tita!!!
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kung lilipat ka, the best is hanap ka ng appartment na concrete ang walls nya.. from there madali and at least sound proof na siya.. pro-problemahin mo nalang mga pinto at bintana and ceiling.... i dont advise using egg trays.. ang effect lang usually ng egg tray is for sound diffusion.. it doesnt absorb.. you can use thick foam.. pero fire hazardous material to. you might want to try fiberglass or rockwool.. the best yun.. you can look up sa pro audio room.. hanapin mo thread dun about acoustic materials.. ill be posting soon my DIY acoustic sa studio.. i hope it could help..
wala sa room yan nasa drummer pa rin yan
oo daw.. ganun ba? ... hmmnn... daw... like what he said
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14x14 feet hahaha di 14 meters! hehehe
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14x14 feet hahaha di 14 meters! hehehe
A ganun ba... hehe.. nag-assume ako.. :lol: sakto lang pla..
egg trays my friend... no no no.. its a waste of time
ok.. thanks dre.. i'll consider that.. 8-)
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guys help nmn, i have this room its 3x5meters... the walls and the floors are concrete, the ceiling is concrete also pero may gypsum board about a foot away from the actual concrete para maganda tignan kesa bare concrete ung ceiling. problem is lumalabas yung ingay through the A/C provision (wla pa kong AC hehehe), and sa window... ano kayang best way/materials para mabawasan yung lumalabas na ingay from my room? drums lang yung nasa room pero mejo loud ako magdrums eh.... thanks in advance mga master!
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the best way to reduce noise is to reduce playing :-o
jok jok jok
dont worry about the noise, covering up the windows and AC provision will only lead to discomfort and suffocation
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Bigyan mo ng earplugs ang mga kapitbahay mo, at siguro suhulan mo ng konti, solb na yan!
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ung foam na may dimples? prang egg carton ung style pero made out of ofam. super sound proofing un! parang 2in1
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guys help nmn, i have this room its 3x5meters... the walls and the floors are concrete, the ceiling is concrete also pero may gypsum board about a foot away from the actual concrete para maganda tignan kesa bare concrete ung ceiling. problem is lumalabas yung ingay through the A/C provision (wla pa kong AC hehehe), and sa window... ano kayang best way/materials para mabawasan yung lumalabas na ingay from my room? drums lang yung nasa room pero mejo loud ako magdrums eh.... thanks in advance mga master!
sir, mejo mahal nga lang, but in the meantime, try covering the a/c provision with styro(1 inch thick would do)
..pag me a/c na, you may try heavy curtains draped around the room (as supposed to installing pro insulating boards) ..yung door din po, i suggest mapatungan sya ng foam (to reduce the noise going trough it). ..gudluck sir! :-)
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thanks sa mga nagreply... styro nga rin sinuggest ng tatay ko sakin eh cguro try ko nalang din takpan ko nlng din ng heavy drapes yung bintana ko while playing same nrin cguro sa ac provision.... styro then heavy drapes on top.. sa door nmn ok lang sa loob ng bahay magleak yung sound wag nlng sa labas.. thanks ulit!
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ok ba ang cork?
mahal ba yun?
:)
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rebonded foan kc ung akin tapos covered with carpet lahat.isang window. 2 doors ok naman. tips lng.
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ung foam na may dimples? prang egg carton ung style pero made out of ofam. super sound proofing un! parang 2in1
anong foam na may dimples?
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rebonded foan kc ung akin tapos covered with carpet lahat.isang window. 2 doors ok naman. tips lng.
rebonded foam? mgkano un sir? san makakabili? need ko lang naman tlga icover un window ko pati ung aircon provision while im playing... ung sa aircon provision kahit iwan ko muna doon pero ung sa window plan ko takpan yung window then cover it with heavy drapes while i play tpos pwede ko tanggalin ulit anytime kasi mainit na pag wlang circulation sa room...
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from a technical viewpoint:
- leakage: anything where air is able to escape, sound leakage occurs
- acoustics: for sound proofing, audio purposes, its best to create a dead room to minimize resonance, echo
hard, flat, condesed compact surfaces such as concrete produces echo.
solution:
Cheapest to high end:
there are ways to make adjustment on your kit, but thats for another thread assuming no kit adjustments
Option 1: place carpet on floor, pero madugo maintenance, on walls curtains
Option 2: place carpet on floor, resort to egg trays for walls and ceilings on certain areas not entirely, be sure to disinfect eggtrays
Option 3: place carpet on floor resort to egg trays for walls on most if not all areas
Option 4: place carpet on floor resort to Uritex eggtray foam on certain wall areas to deaden sound
Option 5: place carpet on floor resort to Uritex eggtray foam on most if not all certain wall ceiling areas to deaden sound
Option 6: create double wall using light steel metal framing, insulated, finished w/ acoustic gypsum board, finish w/ fabric
Our company provides materials for option 6, we supply to some studios here
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hi sir boyramos, i'll conatct you one of this days regarding soundproofing, actually my target this year is to not to buy any drumgear haha and have my drumroom soundproofed first haha...thanks :mrgreen:, tagal ko na gusto gawin to
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from a technical viewpoint:
- leakage: anything where air is able to escape, sound leakage occurs
- acoustics: for sound proofing, audio purposes, its best to create a dead room to minimize resonance, echo
hard, flat, condesed compact surfaces such as concrete produces echo.
solution:
Cheapest to high end:
there are ways to make adjustment on your kit, but thats for another thread assuming no kit adjustments
Option 1: place carpet on floor, pero madugo maintenance, on walls curtains
Option 2: place carpet on floor, resort to egg trays for walls and ceilings on certain areas not entirely, be sure to disinfect eggtrays
Option 3: place carpet on floor resort to egg trays for walls on most if not all areas
Option 4: place carpet on floor resort to Uritex eggtray foam on certain wall areas to deaden sound
Option 5: place carpet on floor resort to Uritex eggtray foam on most if not all certain wall ceiling areas to deaden sound
Option 6: create double wall using light steel metal framing, insulated, finished w/ acoustic gypsum board, finish w/ fabric
Our company provides materials for option 6, we supply to some studios here
alam niyo po kung magkano ung Uritex eggtray ?
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nagpagawa ako ng music room, but i dont know kung panu ko gagawing sound proof ng mura lang magagastos.. ayoko sana gumamit ng egg trays, anu pa po ba pwd? at kung meron ba kayong alam na mapag kukuhanan, o mapag bibilan??
i need it,ASAP, kasi finishing nalng un kailangan sa room.. thanks!! :-D
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nagpagawa ako ng music room, but i dont know kung panu ko gagawing sound proof ng mura lang magagastos.. ayoko sana gumamit ng egg trays, anu pa po ba pwd? at kung meron ba kayong alam na mapag kukuhanan, o mapag bibilan??
i need it,ASAP, kasi finishing nalng un kailangan sa room.. thanks!! :-D
Hi, these threads could help:
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,31588.0.html
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,36994.0.html
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,37840.0.html
:-)
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pwede ung mga box ng itlog. ung karton.. ipalibot mo sa ding ding ng kwarto..
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pwede ung mga box ng itlog. ung karton.. ipalibot mo sa ding ding ng kwarto..
Oh no not again...
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pwede ung mga box ng itlog. ung karton.. ipalibot mo sa ding ding ng kwarto..
that would not help in insulating or soundproofing my drummer Bro...
acoustic treatment..yes.
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nagpagawa ako ng music room, but i dont know kung panu ko gagawing sound proof ng mura lang magagastos.. ayoko sana gumamit ng egg trays, anu pa po ba pwd? at kung meron ba kayong alam na mapag kukuhanan, o mapag bibilan??
i need it,ASAP, kasi finishing nalng un kailangan sa room.. thanks!! :-D
the shortest answer would be to get professional help. soundproofing is never cheap begin with. why spend more money experimenting while you can ask people who know what they are doing to do it for you?
by the way soundproofing must be incorporated from the start due to ventilation concerns, not at the finishing stage :-D
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right now thats the reason why im saving money, not touchin my salary as much as i can, taking diet on food, takin mrt instead of drivin my car, avoidin G.A.S. on drum stuffs, cutting down on my drinkin and smoke...just to have my room soundproofed...damn.. :evil:
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try mo double walling.. bale rockwool insulation, palaman mo sa dalawang gypsum board na nakametal framing... :) masmahirap lang tlga patayin ang low frequency sound.. :)
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Uratex? not Uritex...
OT: may rockwool ba d2 sa pinas? pano ang benta nila dun? board feet?
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meron pre. may nagpost na dati dito
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oohhh ok ok...
labo kc d2 sa baguio eh... dang hirap maghanap ng pro help.. i think wala pa nga ata.. buti nlng walng nagrereklamo na kapit bahay habang nddrums... from 7pm to 7am na jam!!! hehehe.. sarap!!!
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hey mga bro i had this problem kasi about sound proofing maaarte kasi mga kapit bahay ko eh .... we and some friends here in the south tried to share some drum licks masaya sana kaso me nag reklamo ....any way how do you properly sound proof a room young wala talagang maririnig sa labas maski mag wala kayo ng buong tropa sa loob... one more thing do you know where to buy the materials......... tnx
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uunahan ko na ha...
EGG TRAYS ARE NOT FOR SOUNDPROOFING
:evil:
dito bro, nadiscuss na nila yan http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,54650.0.html
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yup totoo yun .... maski nga sa heat insulation alanganin eh ... hehehehe
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How would you soundproof a room with a lot of windows? The thing is my house is really loaded with a lot of windows. I actually have the same problem when it comes to neighbors. Medyo pakapalan nalang ng mukha. Heheh
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well ako tinakpan ko yung windows ng wood frame na may insulation sa loob tapos coverd all my walls with styrofoam and then foam ....
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Any idea kung ano ung mga alternatives para sa pagsoundproof ng room, para naman kapit papaano di mabulabog masyado ang mga kapitbahay pag pumapalo. :-D
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Ang balak ko pag nakabili na ko ng Drumset eh takpan ko ng salamin ung bintana ko. isa sa loob at labas para doble kaya lng wala na talaga hangin na papasok dun and i don't know kung makaka minimize nga ng sounds un
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i will be constructing a booth for my drums, plywood, hinges, and a lot of foam. :) read it somewhere sa net, imomodify lang para magkasya ung drums. i will try to make it by this week, para matest kung nakakaminimize ng sound. :)
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need help..
what materials to use for acoustic treatment (include nyo na lang ang brand & price)?..
a good room for recording drums..
my room size is 3x2 sq' meter & 3 meters ang height ng room.
3 sides are concrete and 1 side is plywood!!
-no need for soundproofing'
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Base sa mga nabasa ko sa internet, ok daw pala ang concrete walls na room? Yung kwarto kasi na pinaglalagyan ng drumset ko eh hiwalay sa bahay namin talaga, like 4-5 meters away. nakahiwalay talaga.. gawa sa hollow blocks.. Semento talaga lahat pwera lang yung pinto syempre which is wood... kaso ang problema is yung pagkalaki laking bintana sa harapan na full glass! at meron pang isang maliit sa tabi na salamin din. So siguro hindi na wall yung problema ko since concrete naman (please correct me if I am wrong! O_o).. Ang tanong ko po eh ano ba ang magandang paraan talaga para matakpan yung bintana... kasi dun yata lumalabas yung tunog eh. And tama ba ko na ok na pag semento naman yung wall mo? Maraming salamat mga sir! Badtrip lang kasi yung bagong lipat samin na kapitbahay about 10 meters away, umiiyak daw yung anak nila pag nag dadrums ako... Help lang mga sir! Thanks!
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ok ba papatungan na lang ng rockwool yung dingding ko tapos patong ulit ng gypsum board?
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Base sa mga nabasa ko sa internet, ok daw pala ang concrete walls na room? Yung kwarto kasi na pinaglalagyan ng drumset ko eh hiwalay sa bahay namin talaga, like 4-5 meters away. nakahiwalay talaga.. gawa sa hollow blocks.. Semento talaga lahat pwera lang yung pinto syempre which is wood... kaso ang problema is yung pagkalaki laking bintana sa harapan na full glass! at meron pang isang maliit sa tabi na salamin din. So siguro hindi na wall yung problema ko since concrete naman (please correct me if I am wrong! O_o).. Ang tanong ko po eh ano ba ang magandang paraan talaga para matakpan yung bintana... kasi dun yata lumalabas yung tunog eh. And tama ba ko na ok na pag semento naman yung wall mo? Maraming salamat mga sir! Badtrip lang kasi yung bagong lipat samin na kapitbahay about 10 meters away, umiiyak daw yung anak nila pag nag dadrums ako... Help lang mga sir! Thanks!
ano yung kisame mo? may rehearsal studio kasi ako, puro hollow blocks yung dingding. maingay parin sa labas. lately lang nadiscover ko, malaking bagay din pala kapag hindi mo na-treat yung kisame.
actually, tinanong ko dito sa philmusic yan. tanong ko ganito:
is this soundproof?
concrete wall
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6-inch space
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conrete wall ulit.
sabi nila overkill daw.
bale, gagawin ko, ittreat ko muna kisame, kapag walang nagbago.OVERKILL NA!
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ano yung kisame mo? may rehearsal studio kasi ako, puro hollow blocks yung dingding. maingay parin sa labas. lately lang nadiscover ko, malaking bagay din pala kapag hindi mo na-treat yung kisame.
actually, tinanong ko dito sa philmusic yan. tanong ko ganito:
is this soundproof?
concrete wall
+
6-inch space
+
conrete wall ulit.
sabi nila overkill daw.
bale, gagawin ko, ittreat ko muna kisame, kapag walang nagbago.OVERKILL NA!
Kahoy sir! So ano kayang magandang lagay ko sa kesame sir?
Salamat ng marami!
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actually bro di rin ako sure. sabi ng iba concrete wall daw. gusto ko subukan sa studio ko pero natatakot kasi ako baka di kayanin. mahirap na.
sa tingin niyo? kakayanin ba kapag semento ang bubong? semento naman mga walls ko. natatakot lang ako. may naka-try na ba nito?
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me thread nito sa pro audio. daming diniscuss dun pati kisame. basa basa lang po.:)
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help naman, any suggestions para i-soundproff yung room ko?
medyo maingay kase yung drumset, pinuno ko na ng kumot yung bass drum eh, pero medyo malakas parin
eto yung picture ng room
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/killikillers/CIMG1700.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/killikillers/CIMG1699.jpg)
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you cant stop kick drum sounds with blankets. you need more mass on your walls and ceiling by adding another room within your room. it will create an "air space" to trap low frequencies and fiberglass or rockwool insulation on your air cavity to dampen low freqs
sorry bro, wala ka na talaga magagawa kundi gumastos
weakpoints:
1. float glass yung windows mo. kailangan laminated glass gamitin dun
2. door mo plywood. palitan mo ng solid core na pinto, yung ginagamit sa mga main door at lagyan mo pa ng layers ng MDF para mas bumigat
3. kung plywood walls mo, gibain mo both sides at palitan mo ng 2 layers ng 12mm gypsum yung outer side tapos lagyan mo ng insulation sa wood frame gamit ang fiberglass blanket na 24kg rating
4. kung ceiling mo plywood, sirain mo din yun at palitan ng bagong framing kasi mahina yung existing frames mo para isupport ang 2 layers ng gypsum with insulation
pag na address mo na weakpoints mo, kailangan mo ngayon gumawa ng room within a room ulit which will cost somewhere around 100k (including labor)
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kaya kaya kung tatakpan ko ng gypsum board yung window tapos may neoprene gaskets sa sides?
lagyan ko nlang ng handle yung gypsum board para matatanggal ko siya after ko mag drum practice?
pinapatay ko yung kase aircon ko after cooling my room for 1hr, then mag electic fan nalang ako para makatipid sa electicity, kaso lang baka pag pinatay ko aircon baka ma suffocate ako dahil wala na akong window, hindi kaya? :lol:
parang detachable window soundproofing plano ko, may nakapag try na ba nun?
quoted from peeves dated june 13 2006 :lol:
my drum room is not sound proofed. i used to regularly play from 6pm to 7pm on weekdays. on weekends i play around 3pm to 7pm. my neighbors got used to it so i dont get complaints. id never hit the drums full on during regular hours and never past 8pm. id put rubber over the heads and do not use cymbals if and when i really want to play.
ganitong time din ako nag practice ng drums, kelangan ko lang ng onting soundproofing para hindi magalit mom ko :lol:
nilagyan ko narin ng DIY sound mutes yung snare and toms para ma lessen pero kelangan pa ng onti pang soundproofing kase medyo maingay pa siya sa sala, pero onti lang
sinandwich ko ung hats ko sa cloth then kept it closed
btw, kaya pinost ko dito sa Pinoydrum forums rather than posting it on pro audio kase drums lang gusto ko i-soundproof, wala akong plans gawing studio yung rooom ko :lol:
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about dun sa pintuan, saktong ginagawa yung bahay namin, ipapasingit ko nalang yung pinto para makalibre ako kahit man lang sa labor :lol:
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concrete yung walls ko, kelangan ko pa ba ng soundproofing sa walls? and anong maganda or cheap material for soundproffing concrete walls? medyo malaki kase yung pader ng room kaya mukhang malaki maggastos ko kung lalagyan ko siya ng sounproof.
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mag canvas ako later sa hardware ng neoprene gaskets, medium density fireboard, fiber cement board pati gypsum boards para may idea ako how much will it cost me :lol:
san kaya maganda mag canvas? balak ko kase sa mall muna then hardware stores near my place
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thanks ulit peeves sa advice :-)
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ginagawa rin yung drum room ko e :evil: pero this time soundproofed na. naghire na lang ako ng foreman tapos nagsusupervise na lang ako sa mga details para ma soundproof ng tama.
sa ngayon kasi hindi pa sealed yung bintana at pinto ng room ko kaya hindi ko pa matetest kung sapat na yung soundproofing ng all concrete walls at ceilings. definitely talaga sobrang pangit ng tunog ng drums sa ngayon kasi wala pa din treatment.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5135/5424144820_549de447ba_z.jpg)
sa dulo yung room, at eto nagawa na yung final cement wall
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5293/5423568737_c9cee4f62d_z.jpg)
pinto at hamba ang papagawa mo. kunan ko ng pics yung style ng ginagawa dito sa kin para may idea ka. kakabili ko lang din ng bagong pinto kanina.
dami ko pa gagastusin para matapos to. nasa 12sqm lang yung room pero ang materials na magagastos ko nasa 80k na di pa kasama split type AC. wala pa dyan yung labor. walang mura pagdating sa soundproofing at ilang taon ko na din na pinaplano to.
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buti ka pa nasimulan mo na.. ako mag sisimula palang :lol:
nasa 100k budget ko for soundproofing my room, pero sana makatipid ako sa DIY stuffs
baka dito ako magtanong ng materials, baka sakaling makamura :lol:
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+classifieds/id/1761373/Acoustic+Treatment+Noise+Control+%26+Vibration+sound+proofing+Acoustic+Treatment+For+Cinema+Office%27s+Homes+Resto%27s+Lobby%27s+Home+Theaters+GenSet+Room+Construction+materials%2C+SOUND+PROOF%2C+Studio%2C+Home+theater%2C+wall+panels%2C+Sorba%2C+Fabric+wall+panels%2C+fabric+?referralKeywords=sound+proof
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so far, pinaka mura na canvas ko is
9mm corkboard - 2x3 - 720petot
12mm gypsum board - 4x8 - 380petot
canvas canvas pa.. buti nalang may internet, kahit nasa office nakakapag canvas ako :lol:
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sa igros marketing 310 lang 12mm gypsum. para saan yung corkboard?
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Mga sir question lang..
Try to imagine this;
-45sqm room with concrete walls and a window
-Plywood door
-Wood floors
Ok? Tapos eto;
-Yung concrete walls balak ko palagyan ng mga kahoy para support sana sa foam na binabalak kong ilagay
-Tas tatapalan ng mga 5'' thick na foam every side.
-Then cover it with fabrics para pleasant naman sa paningin.
-Yung pinto balak ko tapalan rin ng foam pero mga 1'' or less thick na lang siguro.
-Yung ceiling gusto ko rin lagyan ng foam para lahat sana meron lahat.
-Yung sahig gusto ko lahat carpet ultimo mga sulok.
Tanong...Sapat na po ba to?
Hindi ko kailangan ng sobrang gara, magastos at detalyadong music room na ultimo mga sound frequencies e sukat na sukat pa. Music room na kaya sanang controlin yung ingay ng drums pero di naaapektuhan ang sound quality, para di naman istorbo sa iba pang mga nakatira sa bahay at kapitbahay. Kasi may mga oras na kahit 3am na gusto ko pa rin pumalo dahil di pa makatulog pero di pwede kasi nasa sala lang yung kit ko. Gusto ko mag drums ng hindi ko naiistorbo mga kasama ko dito sa bahay. Para kahit anong oras basta gusto ko mag ensayo walang hadlang.
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sa igros marketing 310 lang 12mm gypsum. para saan yung corkboard?
sandwich ko daw sa gypsum board para matakpan yung bintana, nabasa ko sa isang forum eh, pero mukhang malabo :lol:
mura yan 310 ah !! penge naman contact number plss :lol:
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sandwich ko daw sa gypsum board para matakpan yung bintana, nabasa ko sa isang forum eh, pero mukhang malabo :lol:
mura yan 310 ah !! penge naman contact number plss :lol:
nawala ko yung calling card e pero nasa eyp.com.ph yun.
@musicianurse28: bro masasabi ko lang and dont take it personally:
1. dont do anything that you listed or whatever else you are planning unless you understand about sound, mass, air and physics. nasa internet naman lahat ng kailangan mo matutunan pero hindi lahat tama. minsan kahit common sense natin mali pagdating sa acoustics.
2. bilin mo muna tong book na to http://www.amazon.com/Home-Recording-Studio-Build-Like/dp/1598630342 then read it over and over. i think i read it over 20 times in the past 3 years already and i still have a lot to learn.
3. if you dont want to do it right then dont do it all (and the right way is always the most expensive when it comes to stopping sound). sayang ang pera at wala ka naman makukuhang benefit.
please buy the book first and it will answer all your questions (hint: may pdf version yan dati na downloadable - hanapin mo lang)
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nasa eyp nga :lol:
post ko narin para sa iba :-)
IGROS MARKETING CORPORATION
23 Manhattan Street 1109 Quezon City Metro Manila
Phone: +63(2)7211370 | MoreLess
Additional Phones: +63(2)7220359, +63(2)7218095, and +63(2)4134761
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3. if you dont want to do it right then dont do it all (and the right way is always the most expensive when it comes to stopping sound). sayang ang pera at wala ka naman makukuhang benefit.
true, may friend ako na gumastos ng malaki pero mali yung soundproofing methods na ginamit niya
ganon parin, walang nagawa yung soundproof, nasayang lang pera niya... ang kalat pati sumikip pa yung kwarto niya
basahin mo yung soundproofing thread dun sa pro-audio, malaking tulong...
kausapin ko din si louie azcona ng happyjoey/publico para humingi ng advice, marami narin ata experice yun sa homestudio pati sound proofing eh :lol:
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@musicianurse28: bro masasabi ko lang and dont take it personally:
1. dont do anything that you listed or whatever else you are planning unless you understand about sound, mass, air and physics. nasa internet naman lahat ng kailangan mo matutunan pero hindi lahat tama. minsan kahit common sense natin mali pagdating sa acoustics.
2. bilin mo muna tong book na to http://www.amazon.com/Home-Recording-Studio-Build-Like/dp/1598630342 then read it over and over. i think i read it over 20 times in the past 3 years already and i still have a lot to learn.
3. if you dont want to do it right then dont do it all (and the right way is always the most expensive when it comes to stopping sound). sayang ang pera at wala ka naman makukuhang benefit.
please buy the book first and it will answer all your questions (hint: may pdf version yan dati na downloadable - hanapin mo lang)
You're absolutely right sir peeves! Thanks for the tip, I'll take it from you! Mahirap kasi minsan yung maraming sabi sabi eh. Di ko na tuloy malaman kung alin ang tama at mali sa pag sound proof. BTW, yung idea na nilagay ko came from a friend's advice. Ganun lang daw kasimple yung kanya eh.
Salamat ulit sir peeves! Goodluck and congrats to your upcoming music room!
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gaano nakakatulong ang gypsum board o hardiflex sa soundproofing? acoustic material lang ba ang gypsum board hindi pang soundproof? balak ko maglagay sa ceiling kasi
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malaki naitutulong ng gypsum KUNG TAMA ANG KABIT pero pwede ring useless sya kung hindi mo susundin yung proper construction methods sa soundproofing...yung proper construction mababasa dun sa book na nirefer ko sa taas
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hirap naman magsoundproof :-( pero hindi ko naman kaylangan na todo soundproof, kylangan ko lang mabawasan yung ingay na lalabas ng mga 30 to 40% siguro para hindi makabulahaw... yung ceiling lang talaga problema ko gawa ply wood lang tapos may kaunting space yero na.. kanina lang bumili ako ng hardiflex mga 1/4 yung thickness nya at sana makatulong yun, dodoblehin ko yung kisame tapos my rubber na nakadikit sa hardiflex na ikakabit, makakatulong kaya yun?
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actually mga 30 to 40% nga lang ang mababawas kung tama ang gagawin mong soundproofing with 2 layers of gypsum na room within room construction.
wala din maitutulong yung paglalagay mo ng hardiflex sa ceiling kasi unang una hindi airtight yung room mo
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ganito style ng room.. concrete yung pader, yung kisame ply wood lang yung pinto narra nagpagawa ako sa kaibigan ko, solid na pinto tapos nilagyan ko ng rubber na may palaman na foam yung mga edge para walang siwang pag sinarado(ginaya ko sa internet) tapos yun na nga ang napansin ko na weak part ng room yung kisame, kase plywood lang..
sabagay nakabili na din ako ng materials para sa kisame kaya no choice install na lang... hehe
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I was wondering if lumulusot ba yung bass/kick drum sounds sa floor semento approximately 3 meters thick, baka kasi magreklamo yung mga tao sa baba, kasi pag may didrill, rinig talaga sa lower floor, this is ina condo pala.
makakatulong kaya yung riser?
and I was also thinkin bout making a drum booth within my room, yung parang glass lang
something like this
(http://verymediumthoughts.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/drum-cage-2.jpg?w=420&h=280)
makakatulong ba'to sa pag attenuate ng volumes perceived sa labas ng room ko? by the way my room is like a room within a room since my room is only part of a bigger room(condo unit). Hindi naman lumalagpas yung sound sa neighbors namin, nababother lang yung mga kasambahay ko...
and I'm more worried about how the bass sounds might penetrate the floor and disturb the neighbors below
any suggestions? ideas?
eto pa(http://duzzin.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/img_5293.jpg?w=564&h=317)
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3 meters???
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3 meters???
Baka 3feet sir? O 3 inches?
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Baka 3feet sir? O 3 inches?
3 meters???
honestly I was guessing, I don't really know the thickness hahaha :) basta yung thickness niya, maririnig mo pag nagdidrill sa taas na floor, anyway I've resolved that issue, may parts kasi na mas makapal yung semento sa ceiling so I assumed na ganun din sa baba ko, yung parang beams, so dun ko nilagay yung kick para di lumusot agad. and yes that part is very thick...
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Typical thickness of a slab of a condo unit will be about 100 mm or 4 inches. The IIC of that kind of flooring will be about 25. So if your drum set will be giving an SPL of 100 dBA, about 75 dBA will still penetrate. It would help if you place a thick carpet installed wall to wall with a thick underlay. The IIC of something like that would be about 46. Do the math. Now, the floor is not be the only possible place where noise will penetrate. Your walls and ceiling are also culprits. Reinforce the walls and the ceiling with double or even triple gypsum, 12 mm each. Addition of glass fiber inside the wall cavities will increase the STC of your wall and ceiling by another 5 to 6 dB, depending on the thickness of the fuzz. Adding air space would further increase your figures, again depending on the size of the cavity. The only problem is once you do all these, your room will become smaller. Using metal studs instead of wood studs will increase the sound transmission stoppage capability of your walls or ceiling. After all these, you have to contend yourself with decreasing the room gain, by adding absorptive materials as final finish. You can absorb, diffuse or reflect sound. But that will be a bit complicated. Putting thick curtains on certain wall areas walls would help. Trying to find the best combination of curtain and your hard surface wall finish will give you a room that will not be totally damped. (Forget egg trays - no useful abs coef. value, especially foam - very flammable). Experiment. To do it properly, you have to use a bit of computation using Sabine, Fitzroy, or any of those RT60 equations. But that is going a bit far, unless you devote a lot of time and study on them. It is Math and Physics. For now, keep things simple. It is rather complicated to understand sound. Mitigating or stopping it needs your first understanding its properties, characteristics and the necessary methods to tame it. Aside from knowing all these, you need to have extensive practice on it as well. These take years of exposure, study and experience. But if you are truly interested in it, you can probably start now. Go over the net and research on it. Good luck in your endeavour.
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Typical thickness of a slab of a condo unit will be about 100 mm or 4 inches. The IIC of that kind of flooring will be about 25. So if your drum set will be giving an SPL of 100 dBA, about 75 dBA will still penetrate. It would help if you place a thick carpet installed wall to wall with a thick underlay. The IIC of something like that would be about 46. Do the math. Now, the floor is not be the only possible place where noise will penetrate. Your walls and ceiling are also culprits. Reinforce the walls and the ceiling with double or even triple gypsum, 12 mm each. Addition of glass fiber inside the wall cavities will increase the STC of your wall and ceiling by another 5 to 6 dB, depending on the thickness of the fuzz. Adding air space would further increase your figures, again depending on the size of the cavity. The only problem is once you do all these, your room will become smaller. Using metal studs instead of wood studs will increase the sound transmission stoppage capability of your walls or ceiling. After all these, you have to contend yourself with decreasing the room gain, by adding absorptive materials as final finish. You can absorb, diffuse or reflect sound. But that will be a bit complicated. Putting thick curtains on certain wall areas walls would help. Trying to find the best combination of curtain and your hard surface wall finish will give you a room that will not be totally damped. (Forget egg trays - no useful abs coef. value, especially foam - very flammable). Experiment. To do it properly, you have to use a bit of computation using Sabine, Fitzroy, or any of those RT60 equations. But that is going a bit far, unless you devote a lot of time and study on them. It is Math and Physics. For now, keep things simple. It is rather complicated to understand sound. Mitigating or stopping it needs your first understanding its properties, characteristics and the necessary methods to tame it. Aside from knowing all these, you need to have extensive practice on it as well. These take years of exposure, study and experience. But if you are truly interested in it, you can probably start now. Go over the net and research on it. Good luck in your endeavour.
Actually I've been researching non stop for the past 3 days sir ehehe, but to implement what I've learned is kind of hard. By the way thanks for the tip, I appreciate it, it'll take a while before I digest all of your tips, it's abit much for a newbie like me in the sound proofing/treatment/absorption department :D
I'll definitely study more about all the things you said.
By the way where can I find this gypsum board around metro manila? I've seen that word frequently used in the articles I've read but I have no idea where to find that. But I did see some people mention about local companies that provide that, so I'll backread again. And how do I attach this gypsum board? do I directly cover the existing walls with these boards or do I have to make some sort of frame first?
will I have to replace my door? I think it's a hollow core door. Would getting a solid core door greatly help reduce the sound leaks? Or is there any way to improve the door?
You also mentioned to put carpet wall to wall, luckily my room is already carpeted and the walls are full of foam type panels(i'm not sure of the material but I do know that it's not ordinary foam, maybe rockwool or fiberglass, can't really tell since it's covered with another fabric, it sorta looks like bass traps). I also placed those puzzle piece rubber mats for kids directly under the drums, I don't know if that helps but something is better than nothing.
I also noticed that you said that I'd have to reinforce the ceiling, do you mean that sound will pass through the 4 inch slab and disturb the upstairs neighbor?
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There's a gypsum corp something like that along EDSA, near NepaQ mart, but along the southbound lane.
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I'll definitely study more about all the things you said.
By the way where can I find this gypsum board around metro manila?
And how do I attach this gypsum board? do I directly cover the existing walls with these boards or do I have to make some sort of frame first?
will I have to replace my door? I think it's a hollow core door. Would getting a solid core door greatly help reduce the sound leaks? Or is there any way to improve the door?
You also mentioned to put carpet wall to wall, luckily my room is already carpeted and the walls are full of foam type panels(i'm not sure of the material but I do know that it's not ordinary foam, maybe rockwool or fiberglass, can't really tell since it's covered with another fabric, it sorta looks like bass traps). I also placed those puzzle piece rubber mats for kids directly under the drums, I don't know if that helps but something is better than nothing.
I also noticed that you said that I'd have to reinforce the ceiling, do you mean that sound will pass through the 4 inch slab and disturb the upstairs neighbor?
Home Depot would have them. Usual size thickness is 12 mm and is sized like plywood.
Better to build a framing using metal studs. Your carpenter would know how to do it. For the ceiling, if you put 2 12 mm gypsum on a metal furring, then add 50 mm of 16 kg/m3 glass fiber batt, plus a 50 mm air gap (the bigger gap, the better isolation), your 4 inches slab will achieve an IIC of at least about 46 to 50. As I mentioned previously, your 4 inch cement slab will be able to stop 25% of your total sound, assuming your drum set gives out a loudness of 100 dB. Yes, your drum set will penetrate even 10 inches of solid cement slab and disturb the people upstairs.
Solid core doors are better STC wise. But the sealing of the sides (using rubber door seals on all side, including the floor threshold) is the one that is important. A small opening can be equivalent to the door being opened.
The kids stuff rubber can help minimally as it does not have the necessary isolator deflection characteristics needed to contain sound and vibration. But as you said, better than nothing.
Those panels with probably fiberglass or rockwool are not capable of handling really low frequency information or bass. Most likely, they are wide band absorbers concentrated on mid and high frequencies. A lot of those will make your room sound dull and damped, very soaked, which is not nice musically. As I said experiment - add some, remove some, until you get a room that sound nice and comfortable. Play your favorite music and hear how the room responds to it.
Acoustics, sound proofing and room frequency taming is a rather complicated branch of study. But understanding it is attainable, as any field of science. Good luck.
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Home Depot would have them. Usual size thickness is 12 mm and is sized like plywood.
Better to build a framing using metal studs. Your carpenter would know how to do it. For the ceiling, if you put 2 12 mm gypsum on a metal furring, then add 50 mm of 16 kg/m3 glass fiber batt, plus a 50 mm air gap (the bigger gap, the better isolation), your 4 inches slab will achieve an IIC of at least about 46 to 50. As I mentioned previously, your 4 inch cement slab will be able to stop 25% of your total sound, assuming your drum set gives out a loudness of 100 dB. Yes, your drum set will penetrate even 10 inches of solid cement slab and disturb the people upstairs.
Solid core doors are better STC wise. But the sealing of the sides (using rubber door seals on all side, including the floor threshold) is the one that is important. A small opening can be equivalent to the door being opened.
The kids stuff rubber can help minimally as it does not have the necessary isolator deflection characteristics needed to contain sound and vibration. But as you said, better than nothing.
Those panels with probably fiberglass or rockwool are not capable of handling really low frequency information or bass. Most likely, they are wide band absorbers concentrated on mid and high frequencies. A lot of those will make your room sound dull and damped, very soaked, which is not nice musically. As I said experiment - add some, remove some, until you get a room that sound nice and comfortable. Play your favorite music and hear how the room responds to it.
Acoustics, sound proofing and room frequency taming is a rather complicated branch of study. But understanding it is attainable, as any field of science. Good luck.
Very informative! Thanks for sharing your knowledge in soundproofing.. This is what we all want to have as musicians..
By the way, if a room for example is not that big enough to make it a drum room and I'm planning to apply these soundproofing techniques, the room will become smaller right? Due to the application of these air gaps, board millimeters, and meters and meters of the desired gaps to effectively eliminate the sounds from inside to outside?
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Got this one somewhere.. Will be my reference later
http://soundproofing.org/infopages/channel.htm