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Good day!
i know this is a noob question, pero sa mga available brands dito sa atin, ano ang pinaka-ok na studio monitors on a tight budget?
thanks!
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Good day!
i know this is a noob question, pero sa mga available brands dito sa atin, ano ang pinaka-ok na studio monitors on a tight budget?
thanks!
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Tannoy and Yamaha's MSP series. Very affordable, great reviews and great (relatively) flat sound.
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Tarkus would have answers. The new Samson powered speakers from Audiophile are okay, and affordable. You can also check the Mackie 824 or 624 (not sure of the model number, but something like that). Truth by Behringer is affordable, Definitely, you get what you pay for.
FWIW
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thanks sir abyssinianson and sir mike...
i hope sir tarkuz will chance upon this thread soon...
:D
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kakagaling ko lang audiophile-sssss last friday and saturday.hanap din ng studio monitors..ung Samson nga ang bang for the buck na siguro with Resolv 40, 50, & 65.starting 12k to 17k ata..parang may thread na dati si sir tarkuz gawa nito?...pero expert talaga si sir tarkuz dito. :D
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Tarkus would have answers. The new Samson powered speakers from Audiophile are okay, and affordable. You can also check the Mackie 824 or 624 (not sure of the model number, but something like that).
Thanks mikep!
Samson
Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair
Resolv 50A - P14,680
Resolv 65A - P18,470
Resolv 80A - P22,160
Resolv 2.1 - P24,890 set
Mackie
HR624 - P36,700 piece (out of stock)
HR824 - P52,900
Tapco
S5 - P14,160 piece
S8 - P19,510
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Samson
Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair
Resolv 50A - P14,680
Resolv 65A - P18,470
Resolv 80A - P22,160
Resolv 2.1 - P24,890 set
Mackie
HR624 - P36,700 piece (out of stock)
HR824 - P52,900
Tapco
S5 - P14,160 piece
S8 - P19,510
powered na to lahat sir tarkuz?
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Samson
Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair
Resolv 50A - P14,680
Resolv 65A - P18,470
Resolv 80A - P22,160
Resolv 2.1 - P24,890 set
Mackie
HR624 - P36,700 piece (out of stock)
HR824 - P52,900
Tapco
S5 - P14,160 piece
S8 - P19,510
powered na to lahat sir tarkuz?
yes, powered na lahat.
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ei!! we got the M-AUDIO studiophile BX5a active monitors... its 20,700..
juz call for the discounted price coz I cant give them out here.. (I dont want to lose my job!! hehehe!) That product has some really good reviews so just check them out.
we also got the Studiopro series if you are really on a budget..
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EDIT: Just deleted multiple posts... carry on!
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sir tarkuz, anu pinakamas ok dito po? :shock: re: sound(flat) quality, tibay at tagal?budget kasi e.
1.) Wharfedale DP8.1A Diamond Pro Active Monitor (5 in.) (http://www.zzounds.com/item--WHADP81A)
2.) M-Audio LX4 Active Studio Monitor Expansion Pack (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemPos=0&TempID=1&STRID=222943&Method=2&CategoryID=0&BrandID=1579&PriceRangeID=0&PageNum=0&DepartmentID=0&pagesize=10&SortMethod=4&SearchPhrase=+lx4&Contains=%2Alx4%2A&Search_Type=SEARCH&GroupCode=)
3.) M-Audio Studiophile LX4 2.1 Active Studio Monitor System (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemPos=1&TempID=2&STRID=222943&Method=2&CategoryID=0&BrandID=1579&PriceRangeID=0&PageNum=0&DepartmentID=0&pagesize=10&SortMethod=4&SearchPhrase=+lx4&Contains=%2Alx4%2A&Search_Type=SEARCH&GroupCode=)
4.) Samson Resolv 65a Active Reference Monitors (http://www.zzounds.com/item--SAMRESOLV65A)
5.) Behringer B2030A Active Studio Monitor (http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHB2030A)
6.) KRK RP5 Rokit Powered 2-Way Active Monitor (http://www.zzounds.com/item--KRKRP5) 149.95$ for single
at sir tarkuz, di ba kapos kapag nag samson resolv 50a?40a?(hihirit pa e :cry: :oops: )help po.
salamat.ngatz.gbu[/url]
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sir tarkuz, anu pinakamas ok dito po? :shock: re: sound(flat) quality, tibay at tagal?budget kasi e.
Ang dami naman! Check mo nalang ang technical specs at diagrams mabuti.
Sound quality - piliin mo ang pinaka flat frequency response ±3dB.
Tibay at tagal - Wharfedale at Samson, okey naman. Hindi kilala ang M-Audio loudspeakers... mahirap na, doon nalang ako sa mas siguradong produkto. Behringer, maraming thread dito sa forum... paki search nalang.
at sir tarkuz, di ba kapos kapag nag samson resolv 50a?40a?
bakit kapos, malaki ba ang kwarto at mataas ba ang background noise (NC/NR index) sa loob ng kwarto? kung nahihinaan ka sa tunog, pwede mo dagdagan ng resolv 120a subwoofer.
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Personally, sa akin, any speaker will do as monitors, as long you know the nuances of the speaker you are monitoring in - kaya when mixing, you use your far, mid and near fields, including you small teenee-weeny bit speaker (in our case, we use the old reliable Auratones). Tapos, you get your copy of the mix and play it in your car audio system, to check on the tonal response. Mixing employs a lot of creativity and tonal nuances. The question really is, ano ang hinahanap mo sa mix? The same question applies to monitors. Ano ang hinahanap mo sa tunog ng iyong monitors? For us, we are used to listening in our old reliable NS10s, no matter what people say about them. My engineers are used to its sound, thus, we rely on them for our mixes. I also have a small transmitter that broadcasts on 87.XX mhz where we check our mixes using our small Sony FM radio, to see how they resolve to FM radio. Of course, it will be nice to have the ideal monitor speakers, flat response, nice disperson longtitudinally, low noise, low distortion and all. Pero, ano ang pinakamagandang speaker for monitor? Ang sagot nasa-inyo yan.
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Tapos, you get your copy of the mix and play it in your car audio system, to check on the tonal response.
Sa panahon ngayon, dapat tine-test na rin sa cellphone yung mix!
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gudpm mga sir! sayang, nag-update yung boards natin kaya di ko nakuha yung feedback nyo agad. pero ok lang rin. just ordered wharfedale dp8.1a for my studio monitors. i'll post na lang my feedback on them once magamit ko na! salamat po!
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Have you considered KRKs.
KRK
RP5 Two-way Active Powered Monitor w/ Video Sheilding 11,500.00 each
• 5" Glass Aramid Woofer + 1" Neodymium Soft Dome Tweeter with Ferro Fluid
• 75 Watt Bi-amp Dynamic Power/ 18 dB Octave Filters/ 53Hz - 20kHz
RP6 Two-way Active Powered Monitor w/ Video Sheilding 15,000.00 each
• 6" Glass Aramid Woofer + 1" Neodymium Soft Dome Tweeter with Ferro Fluid
• 100 Watt Bi-amp Dynamic Power/ 18 dB Octave Filters/ 49Hz - 20kHz
you could email me directly. mario.benipayo@forerunnertech.com or go to our outlet THE MUSIC SOURCE along EDSA
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you could email me directly. mario.benipayo@forerunnertech.com or go to our outlet THE MUSIC SOURCE along EDSA
Welcome to the forums, Mario!
I'd be great if you could add some Forerunner contact numbers and other details in our Music Technology & Pro Audio Contact Directory (http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php?topic=28451.0) sticky.
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Kit, thanks for the invite. I hope i did not over do your request as you will see
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You're welcome, Mario!
And thanks for posting in the directory. It makes it easier for forum members to find and contact Pro Audio sources, as I'm sure you will soon find out.
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Hi Mario! :) Where is your outlet store located exactly? :)
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Have you considered KRKs.
KRKRP5RP6
mario.benipayo@forerunnertech.com
KRK nga talaga ang balak ko.kaso i was shopping for the monitors online.napansin ko sa range ng 200$ speakers...medyo may kamahalan sya...tapos re: its size...masmaliit masmahal...but for reviews naman ok sya...sayang sir, ngyon lang nakarating post nyo po sa totoo nga e, una kong consider talaga KRK coz of its rave reviews...
i bought wharfedale dp8.1a (x2) instead... :-o
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Hi john, the address is #1021 EDSA, its on the south-bound side in the general area between SM City and Munoz.
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What about Yamaha HS and MSP series monitors? It seems these monitors are not popular.
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SAMSON studio monitors
Resolv 2.1 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1731&brandID=2) sub/satellite system
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/Resolv2.1-web.jpg)
- Resolv 50a monitors, 5.25" midrange driver and a 1" ferro-fluid titanium tweeter
- Resolv Sub88, 8" Long Stroke woofer and remote system control
- IR remote, controls system volume, subwoofer volume, and subwoofer mute, which sends full-range signal to the satellite 50a’s when in sub bypass mode
Resolv 40a (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1811&brandID=2) active monitors
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/Resolv_40a-web.jpg)
- 50 Watt Amplifier, 25 Watts per side
- 4-inch Polypropylene Butyl Surround Woofer
- 1-inch Soft Dome Tweeter
- Ported, Tuned Cabinet
- RCA Inputs
- Front-mounted Volume Control
Resolv 50a (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1666&brandID=2) active monitors
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/ACF1BD6.jpg)
- Dual power amp (50 watts low and 20 watts high)
- 5.25" polypropylene butyl surround woofer
- 1" ferro-fluid filled titanium tweeter
- Active crossover
- 1/4" and RCA inputs
- Ported, tuned cabinet
Resolv 65 (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=87&brandID=2) reference monitors
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/Resolve-65-web.jpg)
- 6.5" copolymer butyl surround woofer
- 1" titanium diaphragm, neodymium magnet with ferro-fluid cooled tweeter
- gold plated binding posts
- ported tuned cabinet
- passive crossover
Resolv 65a (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=86&brandID=2) active reference monitors
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/resolv-65a-pair-web.jpg)
- midrange contour control
- 6.5" copolymer butyl surround woofer
- 1" titanium diaphragm, neodimium magnet with ferro-fluid cooled tweeter
- active crossover
- dual power amp (75 watts low and 25 watts high) perfectly matched to the drivers
- ported tuned cabinet
Resolv 80a (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1665&brandID=2) active monitors
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/Resolve-80a-pair-web.jpg)
- Dual power amp (75 watts low and 25 watts high)
- Four-position midrange contour control
- 8" copolymer butyl surround woofer
- 1" ferro-fluid filled titanium tweeter
- Active crossover
- XLR, 1/4" and RCA inputs
- Ported, tuned cabinet
Resolv 120a (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=88&brandID=2) active subwoofer
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/resolv120a.jpg)
- 120 watt low frequency amplifier
- heavy-duty 10" transducer
- 40–180 Hz
- active crossover
- a phase switch
- an auto sleep mode
- mute switch jack
Rubicon 5a (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1778&brandID=2) active ribbon monitors
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/Rubicon_5a-web.jpg)
- 2-way Active Ribbon Studio Reference Monitor
- 2-inch Velocity Ribbon high frequency transducer
- 5-inch low frequency driver with Butyl Surround
- Bi-Amp design / 50 watts low frequency / 25 watts high frequency
- 4-position high frequency level control
- Tuned Shelf-Ported painted wood enclosure
Rubicon 6a (http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1779&brandID=2) active ribbon monitors
(http://www.samsontech.com/images/productimages/Rubicon_6a-web.jpg)
- 2-way Active Ribbon Studio Reference Monitor
- 2-inch Velocity Ribbon high frequency transducer
- 6 1/2-inch low frequency driver with Butyl Surround
- Bi-Amp design / 75 watts low frequency / 25 watts high frequency
- 4-position high frequency level control
- Tuned Shelf-Ported painted wood enclosure
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Sir Tarkuz, on Audiophile's website, there are 2 prices for the Samson 2.1 ... P23k, and P13k... what's the difference?
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ei!! we got the M-AUDIO studiophile BX5a active monitors... its 20,700..
juz call for the discounted price coz I cant give them out here.. (I dont want to lose my job!! hehehe!) That product has some really good reviews so just check them out.
we also got the Studiopro series if you are really on a budget..
ganda nyan! i also use a bx5a. and sir bloodshedd is selling it for so much less than the price for which i got my speakers.
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... P23k, and P13k... what's the difference?
mas mura yung 13k.... hehehe.... sorry... just couldn't resist... :-D
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@ sir tarcuz
sa audiophile po ba yang mga samson speakers na yan? wala kasi akong nakitang stock sa audiophile paco nung Resolv 40a - Active Monitors.
@ mbenipayo
visit po ako ngayon sa store nyo :)
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@ sir tarcuz
sa audiophile po ba yang mga samson speakers na yan? wala kasi akong nakitang stock sa audiophile paco nung Resolv 40a - Active Monitors.
meron stock ng Resolv 40a sa audiophile paco tel. 588-0917. nasa loob ng hi-fi room.
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Have you considered KRKs.
KRK
RP5 Two-way Active Powered Monitor w/ Video Sheilding 11,500.00 each
• 5" Glass Aramid Woofer + 1" Neodymium Soft Dome Tweeter with Ferro Fluid
• 75 Watt Bi-amp Dynamic Power/ 18 dB Octave Filters/ 53Hz - 20kHz
RP6 Two-way Active Powered Monitor w/ Video Sheilding 15,000.00 each
• 6" Glass Aramid Woofer + 1" Neodymium Soft Dome Tweeter with Ferro Fluid
• 100 Watt Bi-amp Dynamic Power/ 18 dB Octave Filters/ 49Hz - 20kHz
you could email me directly. mario.benipayo@forerunnertech.com or go to our outlet THE MUSIC SOURCE along EDSA
checked out sir marios "Music Source" hindi pala pair to. mejo nanlumo ako sa presyo :(
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Samson
Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair
Resolv 50A - P14,680
Resolv 65A - P18,470
Resolv 80A - P22,160
Resolv 2.1 - P24,890 set
Mackie
HR624 - P36,700 piece (out of stock)
HR824 - P52,900
Tapco
S5 - P14,160 piece
S8 - P19,510
sir bat nung tumawag ako yung Samson Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair eh 23K daw? :(
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Me celestion studio monitors...5 k lang per pair sa JB. Medyo maliit, baka hindi ma-hit yung 80 dB SPL na required for accurate monitoring...pero siguradong flat sya :D
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sir BAMF baka yung Behringer MS40 na lang bilhin ko sa Electronics Depot (http://www.behringer.com/ms40/MS40_medium.jpg)
7.5k bigay nila sakin :)
ok naman mga reviews eh.
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Samson
Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair
Resolv 50A - P14,680
Resolv 65A - P18,470
Resolv 80A - P22,160
Resolv 2.1 - P24,890 set
Mackie
HR624 - P36,700 piece (out of stock)
HR824 - P52,900
Tapco
S5 - P14,160 piece
S8 - P19,510
sir bat nung tumawag ako yung Samson Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair eh 23K daw? :(
P8,680 lang nga ang Samson Resolv 40a. Anong pangalan ng kinausap mo?
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di ko na inask pero mejo wala syang customer relation skills girl sya. parang she doesnt take the customers inquiry seriously. :(
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Out of stock na pala ang Samson Resolv 40a sa lahat ng Audiophile stores... :-(
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Out of stock na pala ang Samson Resolv 40a sa lahat ng Audiophile stores... :-(
yan nga po sabi ko sa inyo before eh:) hehe
tnx anyways sir :)
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Out of stock na pala ang Samson Resolv 40a sa lahat ng Audiophile stores... :-(
May nahanap isang pares Resolv 40a na silyado pa ang kahon. Nasa Audiophile Paco tel. 588-0917, 588-0920. :-)
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Samson
Resolv 40A - P8,680 pair
has anybody tried these? im on the lookout for one. i'd appreciate the inputs :)
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maganda yan bro. kapos lang ako sa budget kaya di yan kukunin ko eh
PEACE!
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salamat sa reply. mukang ok nga eh, for my home studio lang naman. my current 2.1 speakers arent really helping me enough to master my tracks, kelangan ko ng medyo flat yung tunog.
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salamat sa reply. mukang ok nga eh, for my home studio lang naman. my current 2.1 speakers arent really helping me enough to master my tracks, kelangan ko ng medyo flat yung tunog.
i started din sa pc speakers (atp3). pangit talaga sa masterng kasi na eenhance pa yung tunog sa pc speakers unlike pag studio monitors talaga.
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i might use my altec atp3's subs siguro to add more bass since im not really that going PRO pa naman. i just love what im doing right now.
PEACE!!!
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i might use my altec atp3's subs siguro to add more bass since im not really that going PRO pa naman. i just love what im doing right now.
PEACE!!!
Good point! :-)
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correct me if im wrong, but arent studio monitors supposed to sound flat?
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correct me if im wrong, but arent studio monitors supposed to sound flat?
yes your right...
dapat hindi enhanced ang speakers mo during recording and mastering.
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thanks atleast confirmed :D. coz from what i now, it should be flat para pag minaster mo meron headroom for tweaking and at the same time, maririnig mo ang totoong tunog ng track without enhancements.
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haven't tried monitors na may sub kasi. maybe that's what i need to master the bass properly.
Never mix with a sub on. You'll likely going to have no bass in your mix. Better to reference with a full range acceptable response type speaker - something you are very familiar with sound wise.
FWIW
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what do you guys think about the Alesis M1 monitors? im planning on getting one :-D
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i have M1-Active mejo di ko gs2 mid range nya kaya i disposed it sa studio ng cuzin kong may small recording studio. get yourself a KRK or a Samson may mga budget speaker monitors sila. I might get a KRK Monitors din for myself in a couple of months.
PEACE!
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Ok so we've established na maganda ang flat monitors...thanks all...next question...mejo dumb perro just need to confirm I guess...kelangan bang patay lahat ng EQ mo sa pc? yung mga standard EQ's ng sound card mo?
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Ok so we've established na maganda ang flat monitors...thanks all...next question...mejo dumb perro just need to confirm I guess...kelangan bang patay lahat ng EQ mo sa pc? yung mga standard EQ's ng sound card mo?
Let me get one thing straight... your using Alesis MM 8USB right? and your speaker monitors are connected in the Mixer?
The Chain Should me PC > USB Mixer > Monitors
You should use Alesis ASIO as your main device using your DAW Apps. Your Mixer will also serve as your Audio Interface. So no need to worry about the EQ Stuffs.
Lets bring this query of yours in the USB and Firewire Mixers Thread. ;)
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I just don't get it that some folks bother to compare monitors and talk about flat response when the rooms where they are put don't match the speakers. I mean, tuning the room is very important to utilize the flat response of monitors. Kaya nga yung mga bi-amped monitors adjustable ang tweeter to adjust to the room's frequency response. If you have offending bass frequencies, forget about huge bass drivers as they can give much "fake bass". Hence, you shall be having muddy mixes.
Kumbaga, the room is just as important as choosing the monitors. Hence you need a lot of bass trapping and make sure your room isn't very square-ish.
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Ok so we've established na maganda ang flat monitors...thanks all...next question...mejo dumb perro just need to confirm I guess...kelangan bang patay lahat ng EQ mo sa pc? yung mga standard EQ's ng sound card mo?
Let me get one thing straight... your using Alesis MM 8USB right? and your speaker monitors are connected in the Mixer?
The Chain Should me PC > USB Mixer > Monitors
You should use Alesis ASIO as your main device using your DAW Apps. Your Mixer will also serve as your Audio Interface. So no need to worry about the EQ Stuffs.
Lets bring this query of yours in the USB and Firewire Mixers Thread. ;)
Hmm...you just gave me some more questions my friend. Thanks in advance, see you in the other thread.
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I just don't get it that some folks bother to compare monitors and talk about flat response when the rooms where they are put don't match the speakers. I mean, tuning the room is very important to utilize the flat response of monitors. Kaya nga yung mga bi-amped monitors adjustable ang tweeter to adjust to the room's frequency response. If you have offending bass frequencies, forget about huge bass drivers as they can give much "fake bass". Hence, you shall be having muddy mixes.
Kumbaga, the room is just as important as choosing the monitors. Hence you need a lot of bass trapping and make sure your room isn't very square-ish.
sir may alam ka bang site na may guide or tips on choosing the monitors that is right for your room? or how to tune a room...?=)
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I just don't get it that some folks bother to compare monitors and talk about flat response when the rooms where they are put don't match the speakers. I mean, tuning the room is very important to utilize the flat response of monitors. Kaya nga yung mga bi-amped monitors adjustable ang tweeter to adjust to the room's frequency response. If you have offending bass frequencies, forget about huge bass drivers as they can give much "fake bass". Hence, you shall be having muddy mixes.
Kumbaga, the room is just as important as choosing the monitors. Hence you need a lot of bass trapping and make sure your room isn't very square-ish.
sir may alam ka bang site na may guide or tips on choosing the monitors that is right for your room? or how to tune a room...?=)
http://www.realtraps.com/articles.htm
I suggest that you use less powerful monitors so that you do not get as much room reflections if you cannot afford to put some traps around your bedroom so your graduation pics won't be evicted... :lol:
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hehehe thanks sir=) yup i'm aiming to get a 5"-6" monitors naman eh...maliit lang=)
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hehehe thanks sir=) yup i'm aiming to get a 5"-6" monitors naman eh...maliit lang=)
Believe me, 6" drivers are still bassy in an untreated room.
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hehehe thanks sir=) yup i'm aiming to get a 5"-6" monitors naman eh...maliit lang=)
Believe me, 6" drivers are still bassy in an untreated room.
so the most advisable are the 5" monitors...=)
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I'd go for the larger cones... better in the long run.
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it would be adviseable to invest in the 6" woofers because, even in an untreated room, you can compensate for the lack of room treatments by adjusting the trim on the monitors, placing the monitors with ample space around it, and using de-coupling aids to isolate the lower frequencies so at least you can hear what "true" bass you monitors are putting out from your mix. i leave all my monitors flat with no boost or trim to them regardless of how big their woofer size may be so, for instance, between my Events and Genelec's, I am able to discern a consistency in my mixes even if the monitors have a different character to them. now, in an untreated room there are compromises but you can still get a relatively accurate mix by checking your mix on a spec analyzer so you can affirm that the bass you hear is the exact bass you WANT in the mix so, read up on your instrument EQ skills because using this approach allows your mix to translate better to other systems even if your monitoring environment is less than ideal.
the moral of the story is: don't skimp on your monitors, they are the most accurate window into polishing your mix accurately.
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studio monitors on a "TIGHT" budget..(mainly for sequencing/live single tracks)
peace sirs, kita ko din tong thread buhayin ko lang din po...
eto po scenario:
meron po akong (2) wharfedale 8.1a diamond...balak ko pong bili ng maliit na subs para sa set up...
eto po mga tanong ko po-
ok lang ba di wharfedale ang brand na bihin para sa subs?
kung ok, anu po kayang available dito sa atin na mura mura?
pwede ba yung PC subs ang isabay(e.g. yung creative SBS 390 2.1? which mura kasi e) sa wharfedale setup for sequencing tracks?pati final mix?
salamat po..ngatz.gbu
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studio monitors on a "TIGHT" budget..(mainly for sequencing/live single tracks)
peace sirs, kita ko din tong thread buhayin ko lang din po...
eto po scenario:
meron po akong (2) wharfedale 8.1a diamond...balak ko pong bili ng maliit na subs para sa set up...
eto po mga tanong ko po-
ok lang ba di wharfedale ang brand na bihin para sa subs?
kung ok, anu po kayang available dito sa atin na mura mura?
pwede ba yung PC subs ang isabay(e.g. yung creative SBS 390 2.1? which mura kasi e) sa wharfedale setup for sequencing tracks?pati final mix?
salamat po..ngatz.gbu
Subs, especially bandpass designs can only give you "false punch" and chances are you'll have either muddy mixes or no bass at all.
I suggest you maintain your setup and save up for a new pair of 6" or 8" monitors. For as long as you don't get those offending bass frequencies in your room you're ok.
And let the mastering engineer do the bass cutting for you.
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Subs, especially bandpass designs can only give you "false punch" and chances are you'll have either muddy mixes or no bass at all.
I suggest you maintain your setup and save up for a new pair of 6" or 8" monitors. For as long as you don't get those offending bass frequencies in your room you're ok.
And let the mastering engineer do the bass cutting for you.
salamat sir skunkyfunk sa reply.ipon na lang muna ako ulet.hehehehe...tsaga nalang muna sa diamond ko.. :-) ngatz.gbu
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i took a closer look at the Behringer MS16 and MS20 yesterday. winamp was running through a pair of MS16's and i was thoroughly unimpressed with the sound. didn't bother to listen to the MS20, so i assume it to at least be a little better. but i'm still having a hard time getting over such a small pair of speaker sets having a power consumption rating of 80 watts.
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...tsaga nalang muna sa diamond ko.. :-) ngatz.gbu
sir bindoy, the wharfdale diamond's got good user reviews from those who do hiphop stuff. actually saw ur post at studio-central.
are those monitors or audiophile speakers? it's actually more expensive than krk rp5's.
been usin the ms40's which are not even branded as monitors, pang multi-media nga lang siya eh accoridng to behringer. guess i just try to work with what i have.
:-) :-) :-)
OT: sir studio-central din pala kayo ah...hehehehe...astig!
sir, flat monitors po ito.hairline lang talaga with rp5 and desisyon ko...
tried them last week.ok naman sya.cant comment pa further kasi di pa ako start talaga sequencing.siguro pagtagal po sir.
pero sa review alone, superior talaga KRK!
ngatz.gbu
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i took a closer look at the Behringer MS16 and MS20 yesterday. winamp was running through a pair of MS16's and i was thoroughly unimpressed with the sound. didn't bother to listen to the MS20, so i assume it to at least be a little better. but i'm still having a hard time getting over such a small pair of speaker sets having a power consumption rating of 80 watts.
these ms16 and ms20's are multimedia speakers. they are not really for studio monitoring. the MS40 is in the Low end for monitoring... ishould know coz i have one :). mejo kulang yung mid range ng ms40 tsaka mejo mataas ang highs. go get yourself a samson resolv 40 na lang almost same price with the behri ms40
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thanks for the suggestion.
i'm going to prioritize other stuff for now, though. maybe the delay can allow for something better.
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studio monitors on a "TIGHT" budget..(mainly for sequencing/live single tracks)
peace sirs, kita ko din tong thread buhayin ko lang din po...
eto po scenario:
meron po akong (2) wharfedale 8.1a diamond...balak ko pong bili ng maliit na subs para sa set up...
eto po mga tanong ko po-
ok lang ba di wharfedale ang brand na bihin para sa subs?
kung ok, anu po kayang available dito sa atin na mura mura?
pwede ba yung PC subs ang isabay(e.g. yung creative SBS 390 2.1? which mura kasi e) sa wharfedale setup for sequencing tracks?pati final mix?
salamat po..ngatz.gbu
@bindoy: Kung sequencing man lang sa tracks ang purpose mo, you can do well with the KRKs kase they are of pretty good quality. Just make sure to pay attention to whatever meters you have running in your sequencer (or equipment) to stay clear of clipping, especially if you are sampling a loop for your tracks. Kicks are notorious for introducing transients that can ruin your whole mix because of the odd clip. Also, if you do get a sub, test it out with your monitors first and make sure your room is not too "live" (ie, has multiple reflective surfaces opposite you monitors) because it will wreck havok with your sub output. Not all subs are made equally so test them out at the store with a comparable monitor set so you KNOW your setup will reap the benefit of your purchase. As far as your room treatment goes, you will know that your room is not reasonably treated for destructive bass freqs if you hear bass "warbling" instead of a solid "thud" when seated in your monitoring sweet spot.
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@bindoy: Kung sequencing man lang sa tracks ang purpose mo, you can do well with the KRKs kase they are of pretty good quality. Just make sure to pay attention to whatever meters you have running in your sequencer (or equipment) to stay clear of clipping, especially if you are sampling a loop for your tracks. Kicks are notorious for introducing transients that can ruin your whole mix because of the odd clip. Also, if you do get a sub, test it out with your monitors first and make sure your room is not too "live" (ie, has multiple reflective surfaces opposite you monitors) because it will wreck havok with your sub output. Not all subs are made equally so test them out at the store with a comparable monitor set so you KNOW your setup will reap the benefit of your purchase. As far as your room treatment goes, you will know that your room is not reasonably treated for destructive bass freqs if you hear bass "warbling" instead of a solid "thud" when seated in your monitoring sweet spot.
thanks sir, abyss...un nga sir, hehehe wharfedale ang napili ko over the KRK...hehehe.pero sana maging ok naman tong diamond 8.1a...mahabang habang test pa to.
tama kayo sir, siguro once may budget na for the subs, masmaganda nga talagang dalhin ko ung monitors ko para for testing.
i also noticed na may bass cut/filter knob ung monitors ko.di pa ako sigurado kung para san yun.better check it out first.
thanks sir for the reply, salamat salamat ! :-) :-) :-)
ngatz.gbu
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bindoy,
If it's any consolation, the NS-10's got their start as affordable bookshelf speakers initially marketed towards college students living in dorms (it's a US thing). Looking at all the reviews, I can see that these speakers come highly rated. If you really need to add a sub, make sure it's one that's recommended by Wharfedale.
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bindoy,
If it's any consolation, the NS-10's got their start as affordable bookshelf speakers initially marketed towards college students living in dorms (it's a US thing). Looking at all the reviews, I can see that these speakers come highly rated. If you really need to add a sub, make sure it's one that's recommended by Wharfedale.
salamat sir kitC...tignan ko nga po yung NS-10sssss 8-) mukang ok to eh...madalas pagusapan dito sa monitors.
pero sir, malamang naman di ba kung magrecommend ang Wharfedale, malamang brand na din nila un?
salamat sir.ngatz.gbu
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pero sir, malamang naman di ba kung magrecommend ang Wharfedale, malamang brand na din nila un?
Definitely. The Diamonds have 5" cones I see. Medyo bitin sa bass pero if you see the NS-10s, maliliit din ang woofer cones nila, around 6" ata. Mixing engineers never needed to add a subwoofer to that classic.
Try to get your ears attuned to the Wharfedales. Usually, monitors need a little burn in time to get their cones sounding properly. I've even heard of some engineers who would operate the speakers for 24 hours at high volumes just to burn them in. They just leave them is a booth facing each other; sometimes they would put one of the speakers out of phase with the other so that the cancellation would lower the volume a bit (bet it sounds weird).
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pero sir, malamang naman di ba kung magrecommend ang Wharfedale, malamang brand na din nila un?
Definitely. The Diamonds have 5" cones I see. Medyo bitin sa bass pero if you see the NS-10s, maliliit din ang woofer cones nila, around 6" ata. Mixing engineers never needed to add a subwoofer to that classic.
Try to get your ears attuned to the Wharfedales. Usually, monitors need a little burn in time to get their cones sounding properly. I've even heard of some engineers who would operate the speakers for 24 hours at high volumes just to burn them in. They just leave them is a booth facing each other; sometimes they would put one of the speakers out of phase with the other so that the cancellation would lower the volume a bit (bet it sounds weird).
:-o :-o :-o :lol: weird nga talaga...tekateka nahihilo na ata ako...hehehe...
naalala ko na yung yamaha NS-10!!! kelangan pa kasing makita pa ung pic e...hehehehe...yan kasi ginagamit na mixing dun sa PM recording(greenhills/QC) nung kaibigang sound engineer ko dun.ganda nga ng tunog nun!!!at tama kayo sir...ala ngang subs yung sa kanila just plain un lang talaga.
salamat sir kitC.ngatz.gbu
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I hope you guys don't mind if I ask a n00b question...
I've been slowly building my rig at home. I've got an M-Audio Axiom 25, a Line6 Toneport UX1 for my guitar, and my DAW is Ableton Live 6 (sometimes alternating with Logic Express). I think I need studio monitors but I can't afford mid-level ones, moreso the really good ones. I basically use the setup to do my own home recordings. Sometimes I carry the Toneport and a laptop to gigs and play live with them (guitar).
My questions is - given the very limited budget that I have - would you recommend me getting a Samson Resolv 40A for about 8K+ or ONE piece of KRK RP5 for a little less? I can't afford a pair of KRK RP5s at the moment, I can only afford half a pair. Should I get one piece of RP5 or a pair of Samson Resolv 40As? I don't think I'll be doing my own mixes yet so I'm trying to find out if I can live in mono for the meantime.
TIA.
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Best to buy monitors at the same time so you can burn them in simultaneously. You can monitor using your home stereo, I survived like that for quite some time and I also had my first headphone monitors (Sony MDR V600) to tide me over until I got my monitors.
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I hope you guys don't mind if I ask a n00b question...
My questions is - given the very limited budget that I have - would you recommend me getting a Samson Resolv 40A for about 8K+ or ONE piece of KRK RP5 for a little less? I can't afford a pair of KRK RP5s at the moment, I can only afford half a pair. Should I get one piece of RP5 or a pair of Samson Resolv 40As? I don't think I'll be doing my own mixes yet so I'm trying to find out if I can live in mono for the meantime.
go with KitC's suggestions.
As for the monitors better to get the resolv 40a than getting a single krk speaker.
PEACE!
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Thanks for the feedback. I guess I'll settle for a low-end pair rather than one piece of a mid-end model.
Gracias
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If you have an alternative monitoring system such as a home stereo with line ins, that will really do for now. The problem I have with the Resolve 40 is the size of the woofers. Don't expect any substantial bass from them. If you can wait and really save up for the KRKs, I don't think you will be disappointed. If I were to spend on a Samson, it would be the Rubicons because of their folded ribbon tweeters.
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Thanks KitC. For the limited budget I have right now I am also considering a pair of Sony MDR-7506 cans for headphone monitors then eventually get the KRKs later this year when my pocket allows. I have a feeling the Resolv 40As will be a "transition" purchase if I ever buy it. I'm pretty sure even if I buy the Resolv 40A now, I will still keep the KRKs as a want at the back of my head and may eventually get it later this year. In that case, might just save up for the KRKs.
thanks again
UPDATE: as per KitC's suggestion, I have hooked up a pair of Bose 201 speakers to a cheapo sony amp and am using those for my monitors. :)
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That's a good start, paparazzi. When in doubt, always try to compare your mixes with a lot of playback systems. For example, I have a single Roland MA-20 that I set up as a mono speaker, it sums the left and right channels, for mono compatibility testing. I even burn cd's which I play in the car to hear how the mix sounds within the confines of a car's acoustics (they say if it sounds good in the car, it will sound good everywhere else, YMMV). MikeP has a short distance FM transmitter for checking how his mixes sound over an FM radio. There are many ways to check how your mix will eventually sound; if it sounds good over a variety of playback media, then you can rest assured that the mix will hold up anywhere.
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Thanks KitC. I've had these 201s for almost ten years and medyo gamay ko na yung output niya and how it differs from usually flat speakers. Ginawa ko nalang, I set the EQ of the cheap sony amp to a flatliner right smack in the middle.
It just never crossed my mind to use these as monitors until you told me. :) Maraming salamat ulit :)
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pero sir, malamang naman di ba kung magrecommend ang Wharfedale, malamang brand na din nila un?
Mixing engineers never needed to add a subwoofer to that classic.
Usually, monitors need a little burn in time to get their cones sounding properly. I've even heard of some engineers who would operate the speakers for 24 hours at high volumes just to burn them in.
The alternative way of doing it is to feed them with pink noise for more than 24 hours at listening levels. That way the burn in is kinda slow without exerting much effort on the speakers.
It is not advisable to use subs for any speakers used for mixing, unless you are doing a 5.1 mix. Putting a sub in your 2 track mix would only confuse your low frequency perception levels. You will come out without much lows in the final mix.
FWIW
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.... If I were to spend on a Samson, it would be the Rubicons because of their folded ribbon tweeters.
sir kitc,
now that you mention it, the ribbon tweeters do look sweet. wonder how it holds up to the krks. does anyone use it here? can't recall anyone attestin to its merits. might be a good buy for a pair of 6"s.
:-) :-) :-)
Can't say without doing an A/B test on them, x! Now if only we can find a forward thinking music store that can stock everything in one place; kinda like Sam Ash when I was choosing my first synth... everything was there side by side and you could just test everything to your fancy. Oh well... we still got the Sound on Sound reviews... I believe SoS has reviews for both the Rubicons and KRKs.
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pero sir, malamang naman di ba kung magrecommend ang Wharfedale, malamang brand na din nila un?
Mixing engineers never needed to add a subwoofer to that classic.
Usually, monitors need a little burn in time to get their cones sounding properly. I've even heard of some engineers who would operate the speakers for 24 hours at high volumes just to burn them in.
The alternative way of doing it is to feed them with pink noise for more than 24 hours at listening levels. That way the burn in is kinda slow without exerting much effort on the speakers.
It is not advisable to use subs for any speakers used for mixing, unless you are doing a 5.1 mix. Putting a sub in your 2 track mix would only confuse your low frequency perception levels. You will come out without much lows in the final mix.
FWIW
salamat sir mikeP...
sir, tanong po, medyo ignorante po pa ako e... :roll: anu po ung "pink noise"?
ngatz.gbu
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sir, tanong po, medyo ignorante po pa ako e... :roll: anu po ung "pink noise"?
ngatz.gbu
It's a studio dito sa may Roces Ave. :-D
If you know white noise, which has equal power strength across the audio frequency spectrum, pink noise OTOH is also known as 1/f noise, is a signal or process with a frequency spectrum such that the power spectral density is proportional to the reciprocal of the frequency. If I were to describe it in plain english, white noise is like the static you hear on a tv channel with no station, while pink noise is white noise with the highs rolled off (this is just an approximation).
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sir, tanong po, medyo ignorante po pa ako e... :roll: anu po ung "pink noise"?
ngatz.gbu
It's a studio dito sa may Roces Ave. :-D
If you know white noise, which has equal power strength across the audio frequency spectrum, pink noise OTOH is also known as 1/f noise, is a signal or process with a frequency spectrum such that the power spectral density is proportional to the reciprocal of the frequency. If I were to describe it in plain english, white noise is like the static you hear on a tv channel with no station, while pink noise is white noise with the highs rolled off (this is just an approximation).
well said sir, thanks sir kitC and sir mikeP ngatz.gbu
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Can't say without doing an A/B test on them, x! Now if only we can find a forward thinking music store that can stock everything in one place; kinda like Sam Ash when I was choosing my first synth... everything was there side by side and you could just test everything to your fancy. Oh well... we still got the Sound on Sound reviews... I believe SoS has reviews for both the Rubicons and KRKs.
the rubicons got positive reviews naman on SOS. guess it'll be an option for future upgrades when my ear can hear better and starts complainin bout my mixes.
sana nga may all-in-one show room tayo ng pro audio stuff here in manila. mas madali mag impulse buy pag ganun. hehe. come to think of it, the only pro audio store i've seen that has an actual listenin room is audiophile in manila. those guys were showin me some very heavy monitors with 6in drivers. felt like a solid block of concrete. can't remember which specific model, pero the dust cover/cones were squished in.
:-) :-) :-)
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Hope you guys don't mind.
Is it ok to buy studio monitors and hooking it up to the computer/ipod so you can listen to some mp3s? Budgetwise, am talking about behringer ms40. Is is that much different from say a Sony boombox? Or say altec lansing speakers?
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not really, in my opinion. i have one. i think that's really how the product is positioned -- to be multimedia speakers, as opposed to being studio monitors, such as their truth monitors, or as some of my friends call it -- the poor man's genelec.
about the ms40, i really find the digital inputs cool...
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i also have a ms40. if im not in the mood to turn on my DAW i usually hookup my ipod also.
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Thanks for the responses.
I'm slowly building up some equipment for a poor mans PC home recording and a studio monitor is slowly getting in the radar.
What I really wanted to know is if the sound is better than a boombox (which I already have) or a mid priced altec lansing speaker?
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the sound of the ms40, i think, is not far from most good multimedia speakers, such as the one you have. my recommendation is, to hold on to the ones you have right now, until you could save up for something that is definitely a step up, such as behringer's truth monitors, an m-audio bx5a or the samson rubicons. upgrading little by little is going to be more costly for you in the long run. an added bonus would be, being able to educate your ears. switch to a 'better' monitor when you can clearly tell if that purchase is really going to make your mixes, or your music is general, better.
good luck in your quest for better audio, my friend. it's not exactly a cheap route, but truly a worthwhile one. :-D
GAS ATTACK!!!!! hahaha.
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What I really wanted to know is if the sound is better than a boombox (which I already have) or a mid priced altec lansing speaker?
just got the ms40, cause the home stereo i was using forever blew up
when i first got them they sounded a bit bass heavy but a bit ill defined...also a bit treble shy, i was a bit disappointed but i think im getting used to them
yes like marvin said, the digital inputs are cool (i can hook up my pc digitally, then my mixer/outboard instruments through the line in) i also like the front panel volume control and headphone in...the bass and treble controls are good too for casual listening
ps. the thing is with "monitor" speakers...theyre not supposed to sound better, your boombox hypes up the sound to make it sound good while youre listening...if youre mixing you want your speakers to give you as accurate a sonic picture as possible...the berries are not the best by any means but its definitely an improvement over my old stuff
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the sound of the ms40, i think, is not far from most good multimedia speakers, such as the one you have. my recommendation is, to hold on to the ones you have right now, until you could save up for something that is definitely a step up, such as behringer's truth monitors, an m-audio bx5a or the samson rubicons. upgrading little by little is going to be more costly for you in the long run. an added bonus would be, being able to educate your ears. switch to a 'better' monitor when you can clearly tell if that purchase is really going to make your mixes, or your music is general, better.
good luck in your quest for better audio, my friend. it's not exactly a cheap route, but truly a worthwhile one. :-D
GAS ATTACK!!!!! hahaha.
Hahahahaha. Yup, for no apparent rhyme or reason.
What I really wanted to know is if the sound is better than a boombox (which I already have) or a mid priced altec lansing speaker?
just got the ms40, cause the home stereo i was using forever blew up
when i first got them they sounded a bit bass heavy but a bit ill defined...also a bit treble shy, i was a bit disappointed but i think im getting used to them
yes like marvin said, the digital inputs are cool (i can hook up my pc digitally, then my mixer/outboard instruments through the line in) i also like the front panel volume control and headphone in...the bass and treble controls are good too for casual listening
ps. the thing is with "monitor" speakers...theyre not supposed to sound better, your boombox hypes up the sound to make it sound good while youre listening...if youre mixing you want your speakers to give you as accurate a sonic picture as possible...the berries are not the best by any means but its definitely an improvement over my old stuff
So in other words
for listening -> boombox/stereo/etc
for mixing -> monitors?
Parang off-topic na pero might as well ask. Please bear with me. Do you have your PC recording hooked up to Monitors and another set of speakers for listening purposes?
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Do you have your PC recording hooked up to Monitors and another set of speakers for listening purposes?
In my case, yes and no. Yes, since I have a multiple output card which I route to my main monitors - some Fostex 2.1s - while the other outputs service a pair of Altec Lansing computer monitors (although with Dolby Pro Logic) for both simulating computer speaker surround environments and for the odd game I have in my DAW :-o . hehe I also have a solo Roland MA-20 for mono compatibility monitoring.
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Parang off-topic na pero might as well ask. Please bear with me. Do you have your PC recording hooked up to Monitors and another set of speakers for listening purposes?
in my case, i only have a couple pairs of studio monitors hooked up to my DAWs. my DAWs are basically just for media editing so I adjust my mixes there before I test them on different speakers. i usually store my rough mixes on an mp3 player and test it in my car or through the lin-in jack of my home stereo.
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i use bx5's as my main monitors. actually i like using my fostex powered speakers (forgot the model, but they were the very first set of powered speakers i bought, maybe more than 10 years ago.).
the behringer speakers were meant for my laptop, on which i do a lot of notation work and audio editing, so studio monitors are kinda overqualified for this gig. i never really had to do EQing or live recordings (where you have to check for phase relationships) with it, and when that time comes, i'd either bring along my bx5's or get an IE-30 (in-ear monitors -- i think they're pretty good).
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for listening -> boombox/stereo/etc
for mixing -> monitors?
yup, and you actually need to know how to actually listen to your monitors. try to figure out its strength and weaknesses, so that when you check the mix over the boombox/stereo there wouldn't be any surprises.
the ms40's are surprisingly good for the price. it's the best at its price point. actually wala ata siya ka-price. hehe.
bottomline, just use what works for you, till your ears tell you otherwise.
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Wow, thanks all for all the help.
As was recommended, I'll probably just stick with my boombox until funds are readily available.