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Title: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: h3adrock3r on October 01, 2009, 03:08:44 AM
NO!!!
madalas ko marinig to sa mga musicians na nakakasama ko.. well..i appreciate both worlds..pero di ko lang matanggap na purke jazz na tugtugan mo, mature na tawag sa tugtugan mo.. o baka naman mature lang talaga sila sa age..ayaw ng maingay.. hehehe! joke lang ha! wag kayo magalit.. :-D
what do you guys think? may ganito rin ba kayong experiences?
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 01, 2009, 03:17:57 AM
sinasabi sakin to ng classmate ko :|
magsasawa daw ako sa rock kaya magshshift ako sa jazz :x
pero gusto ko rin ang jazz, di ko lang trip tugtugin :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Phil on October 01, 2009, 03:29:22 AM
Its like eating same dish everyday you get tired of it then you wanted a different dish.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: h3adrock3r on October 01, 2009, 03:33:24 AM
Its like eating same dish everyday you get tired of it then you wanted a different dish.
i guess for some rock/metal is like rice you eat it everyday never get tired of it and getting into other musical styles (e.g. jazz for this matter) is enhancing the eating experience
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: boogsy on October 01, 2009, 03:47:26 AM
IMHO, maturity in terms of music has more to do with lyrics/songwriting than with the various genres. :)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: riffscreamer on October 01, 2009, 03:52:20 AM
i guess for some rock/metal is like rice you eat it everyday never get tired of it and getting into other musical styles (e.g. jazz for this matter) is enhancing the eating experience
In that case, rock for me is like water. Pagnagsawa ka, lagyan mo iced tea/orange juice powder. Tubig parin, pero mas malasa. Ahaha.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arkinet on October 01, 2009, 04:33:53 AM
mature in age kamo? ndi na maka-headbang eh, baka whiplash ang resulta. :-D
i think sa mood yan eh, me time talaga na gusto mo ng mellow, jazzy. pag tumanda na moody na eh ehehehehe... i think you're more of a mature musician if you appreciate both spectrum and you dont look down on any style 8-)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: markthevirtuoso on October 01, 2009, 04:39:44 AM
Are bands like radiohead or king crimson not that mature? :wink:
IMHO, the most mature form of music is when it transcends to the level of sublimity, when it goes beyond the borders of entertainment (check out oscar wilde's philosophical argument on art vs. entertainment), when it just becomes art and contributes to the value and realm of the art world itself.
If you want to hear sublime and serious kinds of this artform listen to classical/art/serious music - from bach to stravinsky to john cage.
"art for art's sake"
FWIW
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: bryanarzaga on October 01, 2009, 05:45:35 AM
madalas ko marinig to sa mga musicians na nakakasama ko.. well..i appreciate both worlds..pero di ko lang matanggap na purke jazz na tugtugan mo, mature na tawag sa tugtugan mo.. o baka naman mature lang talaga sila sa age..ayaw ng maingay.. hehehe! joke lang ha! wag kayo magalit.. :-D
what do you guys think? may ganito rin ba kayong experiences?
i started with smooth jazz before ever listening to pantera...and even before that i love orchestra
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: thr3ten on October 01, 2009, 05:47:52 AM
wala yan sa lolo ko :wink:
bingi na, rocker pa din :-P
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arkeetar on October 01, 2009, 07:01:08 AM
hindi naman mag shift... dagdag kaalaman, hindi naman mawawala s'yo pagiging rocker kung nag jazz ka :lol:
pwede bumalik anytime :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ierofan on October 01, 2009, 07:14:06 AM
pwede haha... pwedeng mag rock ka sabay jazz sa solo or vice versa nyahaha :lol:
idol 8-)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: solicitor_general02 on October 01, 2009, 07:24:49 AM
That's the truth of learning, you try to explore yourself to something new and most of all flexible ka dapat to be able to mature. welll that is usual in many cases
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arkeetar on October 01, 2009, 07:28:54 AM
habang bakasyon, mag-aaral ako ng jazz hehe :-D idol 8-)
hehe sulitin mo na talaga, binigyan ka ng time para sa LP mo :lol: ot> Sms kita hindi ka nag reply hehe nangungumusta sana sa bagyo kung naapektuhan kayo
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 01, 2009, 07:32:28 AM
hehe sulitin mo na talaga, binigyan ka ng time para sa LP mo :lol: ot> Sms kita hindi ka nag reply hehe nangungumusta sana sa bagyo kung naapektuhan kayo
OT: nung saturday and sunday walang kuryente samin, eh CP ko nawalan na ng battery. hehe :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arkeetar on October 01, 2009, 07:34:41 AM
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: fusionenigma on October 01, 2009, 08:19:04 AM
rock guitarist reaches a plateu when it becomes very difficult to find the time or energy it takes to get to the next level of guitar playing. his taste changes. he listens to other forms of music. he decides which direction he wants to go: jazz or classical...
(jazz) ...he starts to add chromaticism to his soloing/improvisation. he listens to bebop. he abandons the scalar/modal appraoch. he learns to solo based on the scale where the chord/chord progression can be found. his understanding of jazz becomes more in depth. he starts not to rely on the mechanics of chord scales. he struggles to learn chord-tone soloing. eventually, this approach becomes more natural to him as he develops develops good jazz rhythm (swing feel). he explores other chord voicings. then he starts to enjoy the sound of a good acoustic guitar and an electric guitar plugged directly to a clean amplifier. he develops a strong repertoire of standard tunes. he is now 70 years old.
(classical) OT na :-D
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guthrie govan is not jazz. just wanted to get that off my chest.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arjhay on October 01, 2009, 08:20:13 AM
para sakin maturity sa music is yung pagiging masmalawak pa yung perspective mo into different genres....appreciating others and accepting their opinions....
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 01, 2009, 08:24:05 AM
wag ka mag shift, wag mo iwan ang isa, dagdagan mo ang kaalaman mo, magagamit mo ito para makipag jam sa ibat ibang tao, lugar. pwede kang sa rockband sa bar, o sa hotel jazz band, o diba andami mo pwede salihan!
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ierofan on October 01, 2009, 08:25:33 AM
wag ka mag shift, wag mo iwan ang isa, dagdagan mo ang kaalaman mo, magagamit mo ito para makipag jam sa ibat ibang tao, lugar. pwede kang sa rockband sa bar, o sa hotel jazz band, o diba andami mo pwede salihan!
moar sidelinez. :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: win32dotex on October 01, 2009, 08:27:44 AM
for me maturity is when you go in a more technical way of doing music...
i think maturity is not only in the music itself but also to the band members...
example, bagohan palang kayo as a band, so plug and play kau and wala ng adjustments or tuning, isip nu lang makatugtog, bahala na, parang bata ang dating... BUT when u grow mature, namimili na tau ng amps, fine tuning na tau sa effects natin, ung way of composing riffs, lyrics, or drum line pinaplano na talaga... i think u get the point...
and also sa members, mature na din magisip...
metal head kasi ako but ive experienced that... no comment sa jazz pero gusto ko un pang pakalma... :)
about shifting wala naman probs sa maturity, but iiba na naman enviromnment mo kasi from rock to jazz... so adjust ka... meron na bang rock star nag shift into jazz?
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arkeetar on October 01, 2009, 08:28:02 AM
rock guitarist reaches a plateu when it becomes very difficult to find the time or energy it takes to get to the next level of guitar playing. his taste changes. he listens to other forms of music. he decides which direction he wants to go: jazz or classical...
(jazz) ...he starts to add chromaticism to his soloing/improvisation. he listens to bebop. he abandons the scalar/modal appraoch. he learns to solo based on the scale where the chord/chord progression can be found. his understanding of jazz becomes more in depth. he starts not to rely on the mechanics of chord scales. he struggles to learn chord-tone soloing. eventually, this approach becomes more natural to him as he develops develops good jazz rhythm (swing feel). he explores other chord voicings. then he starts to enjoy the sound of a good acoustic guitar and an electric guitar plugged directly to a clean amplifier. he develops a strong repertoire of standard tunes. he is now 70 years old.
(classical) OT na :-D
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guthrie govan is not jazz. just wanted to get that off my chest.
agree! :lol: no problem bro, i'm just implying he inputs jazz lines just like Francis M. and other (mainstream) artists do :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 01, 2009, 08:32:29 AM
for me maturity is when you go in a more technical way of doing music...
i think maturity is not only in the music itself but also to the band members...
example, bagohan palang kayo as a band, so plug and play kau and wala ng adjustments or tuning, isip nu lang makatugtog, bahala na, parang bata ang dating... BUT when u grow mature, namimili na tau ng amps, fine tuning na tau sa effects natin, ung way of composing riffs, lyrics, or drum line pinaplano na talaga... i think u get the point...
and also sa members, mature na din magisip...
metal head kasi ako but ive experienced that... no comment sa jazz pero gusto ko un pang pakalma... :)
about shifting wala naman probs sa maturity, but iiba na naman enviromnment mo kasi from rock to jazz... so adjust ka... meron na bang rock star nag shift into jazz?
i beg to disagree :-D maturity means mas na appreciate mo na yun little nuances, yun mga bata nga ang mahilig sa technical stuff, samantala pag mature na ang isang musician, any genre, may economy and efficiency na ang writing and playing style :-D and mas meron willingness to connect with people unlike younger musicians who has more tendencies to play what they like at may gung-ho attitude....rock stars to jazz and vice versa, medyo madami, hehehehe, and besides, medyo limiting ang labels, isa nga sa famous disagreements sa music, jack bruce always maintained that isa sa main reason bakit na dissolve ang cream was that clapton viewed the group as a blues rock outfit while bruce and ginger baker always believed that cream was a jazz trio........peace bro :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 01, 2009, 08:45:21 AM
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 09:06:18 AM
filing ko di naman nagshift
siguro pag your trying to explore and learn another music genre with your heart and dedication
for me thats maturity
marami ring musicians ang nagmamature sa rock hehe
nice thread :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 01, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
ang jazzzzzzzy.. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ibysdad on October 01, 2009, 09:38:50 AM
I love jazz and I love rock pero di pa rin ako nagmamature playing wise :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: rednas on October 01, 2009, 09:42:07 AM
Parang life cycle kasi ng guitarista yan... Una matutuwa sa shred, galing kasi nakakabilib, then magsasawa and magmemellow down (lalo na yung walang banda), magiging blues then magtry ng solo arrangements, almost jazz na. Tapos acoustic na. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 09:42:39 AM
wag ka mag shift, wag mo iwan ang isa, dagdagan mo ang kaalaman mo, magagamit mo ito para makipag jam sa ibat ibang tao, lugar. pwede kang sa rockband sa bar, o sa hotel jazz band, o diba andami mo pwede salihan!
this is right!
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: aya_yuson on October 01, 2009, 09:45:03 AM
Jazz sucks. :-P
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 09:46:37 AM
Parang life cycle kasi ng guitarista yan... Una matutuwa sa shred, galing kasi nakakabilib, then magsasawa and magmemellow down (lalo na yung walang banda), magiging blues then magtry ng solo arrangements, almost jazz na. Tapos acoustic na. :mrgreen:
ganto nga kadalasan kong naririnig sa mga jazz player hehe :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: boncram on October 01, 2009, 09:47:04 AM
Damn definitions. Matured ka na pag lampas-buko na. :mrgreen:
Mismo. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ghostalker on October 01, 2009, 09:59:19 AM
very nice interview, medyo related sa topic sinabi ni Larry Carlton around 7:00 minute ng video.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: guitbox on October 01, 2009, 10:00:26 AM
maturity is not tied to jazz or classical for that matter---
however, due to a lot of elderly listening to the said genre makes it appear to be the case. bear in mind though that not all elderly people are mature... :wink:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: boncram on October 01, 2009, 10:08:30 AM
Pag hinatak mo yung takip, labas lahat ng buko. :-D Ibig sabihin nun, pwede ka na pumunta sa albularyo.
Linaw ba paliwanag ko ? Mwahahaha.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: rednas on October 01, 2009, 10:22:46 AM
Hehe. Another thought came to mind, medyo OT: Sa rock kahit hindi pa ganun ka"mature" ang playing - pwede daainin sa stage presence :evil:. Sa Jazz halatang halata pag hilaw... Kaya paminsan minsan lang ako magtry ng Jazz... Hehe.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 10:23:43 AM
Pag hinatak mo yung takip, labas lahat ng buko. :-D Ibig sabihin nun, pwede ka na pumunta sa albularyo.
Linaw ba paliwanag ko ? Mwahahaha.
In fact... hindi ka pa mature kapag jazz ka. Kapag talagang mature ka na - albularyo ka na.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: shredmonster on October 01, 2009, 10:39:15 AM
IMO the only maturity in music is being able to accept all genres and not looking down on anything
check out marty friedman he was playin with megadeth for 12 years and shifted to j-pop/rock
does that mean he was immature before? i dont think so
shifting doesnt make you more mature it just helps you enjoy other forms of music :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: erniebong on October 01, 2009, 11:17:31 AM
Hmmmm...
in an academic and historical sense.... yes..... for at least 4 reasons
1 Jazz is a lot older than Rock its been there long before the record industry was conceived, rock just came along sometime in the 50's which is a by product of RnB
2 To play Jazz you will have to learn a lot of music music theory to know the rules for you to break them.... its has more complex structures while rock is more predictable.... basically you'll have to graduate from Rock to play Jazz (in a sense)
3 Rock reflects adolescent rebellion while jazz (generally) represents matured elegant class (makes sense?)
4 In terms of demographic taste most kids relate to rock (duh) while most older people can tolerate jazz
As a player, artistically speaking NO, maybe i just like fast loud and aggressive music more than complex elegant progressions, their just two different genres. i've been pursuing jazz for my personal study hoping that someday i can graduate to become a jazz player.... but i still think the rock n roll spirit will be forever in me since (in my hearth) im an eternal teenager.
in a nutshell... if we sum it all down to a general musical aptitude.... my answer is Yes
note: but if someone who plays jazz is downplaying someone who plays rock (as in nilalagyan at vocally bargging about is musical level)... i think he is personally immature despite his mature musical aptitude.
i think musical aptitude is different from personal aptitude.... tama i've seen some jazz players that are immature... and ive seen some rock players who are mature as well.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: digitalcyco on October 01, 2009, 11:24:12 AM
my band mixes jazz influences with metal. hehehehehe, pero in a subtle way lang usually just passing lines.
i enjoy listening to smooth jazz and RnB more than metal anyway, i just play metal because by default thats what my band plays. And it makes me feel "younger" LOLZ
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 01, 2009, 11:36:03 AM
paano pag nagsimula ka sa jazz and you are a noob MATURE kana? :x :x :x
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jellogz on October 01, 2009, 11:37:23 AM
let me see???? have you ever met any noob who made it to jazz that quick? ...its a long long road for a noob to get to jazz. while anyone can jump to rock anytime
if theres a noob that gets to jazz that quick means that his musical aptitude (or even taste) is high to begin with..... promil kid yan malamang dibah?
considering this and to answer that question "yes" kaya nga sila advance eh....
i'd like to mention again that im predominantly a rock n roll guy.... ah you know (Manny P)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: unnailed on October 01, 2009, 12:30:30 PM
it depends...
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ghostalker on October 01, 2009, 12:35:35 PM
let me see???? have you ever met any noob who made it to jazz that quick? ...its a long long road for a noob to get to jazz. while anyone can jump to rock anytime
if theres a noob that gets to jazz that quick means that his musical aptitude (or even taste) is high to begin with..... promil kid yan malamang dibah?
considering this and to answer that question "yes" kaya nga sila advance eh....
i'd like mention again that im predominly a rock n roll guy.... ah you know (Manny P)
I agree with you.
logic ^_^
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: erniebong on October 01, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
MATURITY = Playing TIGHTER with the music and establishing better connectivity with the music you play regardless of the genre.
tama... and it takes time...... it takes time for it in a Rock Genre... and it takes I guess twice the amount of time for Jazz.....
when i was starting out... in 6 months i had the confidence to say im a rock guitar player
im studying jazz for 3 years and i cant even dare to say im a jazzy player
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: markthevirtuoso on October 01, 2009, 12:48:04 PM
I think musical maturity has more to do with the BREADTH and DEPTH of artistic understanding and execution than with just the genre as the underlying basis.
Kasi kung titignan mo ang bawat genre, kanya-kanyang musical statements ang bini-bring-out nila (of course depende yan sa nature and intent nung composition).
imho. :-)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: erniebong on October 01, 2009, 12:49:02 PM
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: unnailed on October 01, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
yeh...
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: burnthyfret on October 01, 2009, 12:54:21 PM
ahm.. if it's too loud, you're too old? :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: markthevirtuoso on October 01, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
Ditto Skunky!
Although my mga loosely performed musical works din naman which have been critically hailed as historically, culturally and aesthetically significant in the world or music (thus making it a 'mature' form of music, if you like).
i.e. santana's older records, patti smith's, some frank zappa's, some tracy chapman's...
then in the classical world, there's Kwaderno Para Sa Kwerdas by kazuhito [gooey brown stuff]...
Heck, even Hendrix wasn't the tighest player i know
...i could go on. :-)
The craft is just so full of never ending arguments.hihihi :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: unnailed on October 01, 2009, 12:58:53 PM
hirap na maka dinig
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: blustringah on October 01, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
...if maturity is a definition of a musicians journey to higher learning and our nature to progress...then yeba! :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: bluenote on October 01, 2009, 01:51:06 PM
pag me sax, jazz yan. pag jazz, me sax yan...
pag mejas, socks yan...
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: win32dotex on October 01, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
i beg to disagree :-D maturity means mas na appreciate mo na yun little nuances, yun mga bata nga ang mahilig sa technical stuff, samantala pag mature na ang isang musician, any genre, may economy and efficiency na ang writing and playing style :-D and mas meron willingness to connect with people unlike younger musicians who has more tendencies to play what they like at may gung-ho attitude....rock stars to jazz and vice versa, medyo madami, hehehehe, and besides, medyo limiting ang labels, isa nga sa famous disagreements sa music, jack bruce always maintained that isa sa main reason bakit na dissolve ang cream was that clapton viewed the group as a blues rock outfit while bruce and ginger baker always believed that cream was a jazz trio........peace bro :-D
so you mean bata ung dream theater... kasi techi ung pagka ka arrange ng kanta nila... :)
bakit kung young musician ka, ndi kana maging mature in music? i also disagree w/ your statement...
lets not put barriers in music genre... kung anung trip mo and ihalo mo sa new music it means new genre, and also it means ur upgrading ur skills...
isa pa young musicians na mature sa music will stick sa hilig nilang tugtugin kasi ayaw nila maging mainstream... wakekeke... :)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Mindovermatter on October 01, 2009, 04:21:12 PM
Well, mostly mga nag "mamature" nag soft ng tugtugan/ :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: unnailed on October 01, 2009, 04:22:22 PM
:-D
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Post by: donard on October 01, 2009, 04:36:03 PM
Well, mostly mga nag "mamature" nag soft ng tugtugan/ :lol:
pag nag soft ba ng tugtugan ibig sabihin ngmature?nalilito na ko waaaah hehe :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: unnailed on October 01, 2009, 04:37:30 PM
ano po ba ibig nyo sabahin ng mature?
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: kudeta89 on October 01, 2009, 04:44:55 PM
really depends on what type of rock your playing. :-D the hereos like joe satriani, steve vai, eric johnson, andy timmonsthese guys are in their 50's. they play rock but they are of course matured :-D its just happens hat the roots of rock are from jazz and blues. doesnt mean playing rock is not being mature.hehe its really hard to classify different music genres nowadays. :-D fusion rock,fusion jazz lots a fusion nowadays. :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: erniebong on October 01, 2009, 04:48:48 PM
willing to give more than receive is one more.....
now isa lang common dyan.. needs time to realize if we try apply natin to sa subject naten we get something like....
hypothetical scenarios
1st scenario: how long have i been playing? (in whatever genre), how far have i progressed? the answer equals my level of maturity
2nd scenario: i have been playing rock for 10 years... i feel like theres nothing new for me to learn... now i like to study jazz. definitely i have outgrown my current genre and i want the challenge of learning another.... growth definitely is proportionate to maturity
i hope i made sense and of course this is not a dogma hahaha
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 01, 2009, 04:50:11 PM
mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
in what way mature :? :-D :-D
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Post by: Riffle_agogo on October 01, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
i think preference mo lang yan from rock to jazz, pede na rin sa mood. but maturity? siguro nagiging open minded na kaya gusto na rin mag jazz. hehehe
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Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 01, 2009, 04:59:34 PM
I can't imagine Metallica playing Jazz :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: erniebong on October 01, 2009, 05:01:21 PM
again in an academic sense lang siguro, no way in terms of personality, genre, or artistic taste....
literally there are little kids (promil type) out there that plays Jazz...they are kids ....while...many adult rock players dont really understand the musical complexity of jazz.
in what sense ba kasi yung "mature" dun sa thread title? personal ba?... musical....or depth of experience? nahkakahalo-halo na kasi yung context ng gamit ng word eh
Paul Anka covered Nirvana's Smells Like Teens Spirit :-D
the very skill and execution that made it work certainly is a high level of maturity.. considering that it was a totally juvenile song.
now heres a a question... lets turn it around... what is our take about sex pistol doing "my way"? would it give us a more mature impression of the song?
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Post by: aya_yuson on October 01, 2009, 05:34:06 PM
All this talk of jazz vs rock is bullsh_t, IMHO.
There can be no form of music higher than another. And there can be no musical genre more mature than another. There are mature musicians and there are immature musicians. And their respective levels of maturity have nothing to do with whatever genres they happen to be most comfortable with.
Each genre is merely a form of musical language. Jazz is one language, rock is another.
Would anyone be so idotic as to postulate that french is more mature than english? Or that an immature human would speak kapampangan and once maturity is attained, that human would then speak ilonggo?
I'm a jazz musician by trade and by avocation, and have been for the past two decades. But I've always thought that saying jazz is a higher form than others is complete bullsh_t.
Some say that jazz, by virtue of its complexity, is perforce a higher form. BULLSH_T. Complexity doesn't necessarily make a genre more mature. That would be like saying that Yngwie is more mature than B.B. King just because what Yngwie plays is more complex.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: lykenhowl on October 01, 2009, 05:35:09 PM
Makapagshift na nga sa Jazz para masabing nagmature na ako hehe.
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Post by: Daemon Transmission on October 01, 2009, 05:36:25 PM
Napakasubjective ng maturity, e kung magmature ka papuntang punk, ano yon?
Cheese merong mature pero di mahilig sa jazz.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arkeetar on October 01, 2009, 05:38:02 PM
There can be no form of music higher than another. And there can be no musical genre more mature than another. There are mature musicians and there are immature musicians. And their respective levels of maturity have nothing to do with whatever genres they happen to be most comfortable with.
Each genre is merely a form of musical language. Jazz is one language, rock is another.
Would anyone be so idotic as to postulate that french is more mature than english? Or that an immature human would speak kapampangan an once maturity is attained, that human would then speak ilonggo?
I'm a jazz musician by trade and by avocation, and have been for the past two decades. But I've always thought that saying jazz is a higher form than others is complete bullsh_t.
Some say that jazz, by virtue of its complexity, is perforce a higher form. BULLSH_T. Complexity doesn't necessarily make a genre more mature. That would be like saying that Yngwie is more mature than B.B. King just because what Yngwie plays is more complex.
agree... in short maturity (in an artistic context) is not having prejudice towards any form of music.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: peabrain12789 on October 01, 2009, 05:54:53 PM
There can be no form of music higher than another. And there can be no musical genre more mature than another. There are mature musicians and there are immature musicians. And their respective levels of maturity have nothing to do with whatever genres they happen to be most comfortable with.
Each genre is merely a form of musical language. Jazz is one language, rock is another.
Would anyone be so idotic as to postulate that french is more mature than english? Or that an immature human would speak kapampangan an once maturity is attained, that human would then speak ilonggo?
I'm a jazz musician by trade and by avocation, and have been for the past two decades. But I've always thought that saying jazz is a higher form than others is complete bullsh_t.
Some say that jazz, by virtue of its complexity, is perforce a higher form. BULLSH_T. Complexity doesn't necessarily make a genre more mature. That would be like saying that Yngwie is more mature than B.B. King just because what Yngwie plays is more complex.
+1 ka na naman...
tsk... mukang makaka1000000xxxxx..infinity ka sakin ah... tsss... :x
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: electricon27 on October 01, 2009, 06:00:13 PM
wehehehe :lol: mga bros , i think i can relate to this topic.. im 30 , and based on my experiences. i had made a lot of music genre preferences. i just dont know if its the same case for the others , but for me.. its just like getting dressed.. you have to pick the clothes that fits your age :wink:
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Post by: bluenote on October 01, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
matured ka na pag d ka na nag tatanung ng mga ganitong bagay hehehehehe..... :-D wag mapipikon ha biro lang po...
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Post by: erniebong on October 01, 2009, 06:04:16 PM
hahaha...
baka may jazzer-jazzer daw na nag lagay sa kanya (at definitely mas immature yung jazzer-jazzer nayun) .... baka lang naman
or maybe this is one of those random sampling surveys
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Post by: aya_yuson on October 01, 2009, 06:04:47 PM
Mature ka na kapag mahilig ka na mag-big bike. :-D
na outgrow na daw gitara kaya bike naman mamasterin
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Post by: toybitz on October 01, 2009, 07:15:51 PM
paanong mature? matanda na? hehehe! matanda na ako, I have listen to jazz for two decades now but haven't shifted into a jazz player. i want to learn it though, along with latin, and more blues.
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Post by: h3adrock3r on October 01, 2009, 07:25:38 PM
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Post by: itchybrain on October 01, 2009, 07:37:00 PM
Mature ka na 'pag tuli ka na.
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
Sabi ko na nga ba eh.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Mindovermatter on October 01, 2009, 07:40:31 PM
Why not say this. You can be mature when you're into rock. You can be mature when you're into jazz. You can also be mature when shifting jazz to rock. How's that. :lol:
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Post by: frivers on October 01, 2009, 07:44:10 PM
Para sakin mature ang isang musician pag nilalagay niya ang buong puso at dedication sa pagtugtog ng music kahit anu pa yan, Mature ka pag alam mong irespeto ang mga ibang genre hindi mo man trip at mature ka pag kaya mong maging open minded sa lahat ng aspects ng music and nageexcel ka sa craft na pinili mo.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: h3adrock3r on October 01, 2009, 08:09:10 PM
naalala ko lang dun sa friend kong music course kinuha..sabi daw sa kanya ng prof nya.. ikandado nya na daw yung electric guitar nya, wala daw syang mapapala dun...
...sa loob loob ko.. "ba.. ang yabang nun ah.. inggit lang yun..hahahaha!"
well, para sakin, you can be mature in your OWN music..wala na lang pakielaman.. kanya kanyang trip yan..hehe..madalas ko lang kasi naririnig to sa mga nakakausap ko.. oh well..
jazz is complicated.. and EVEN rock is complicated.. in a way..rock is a lot easier to start with..
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Van* on October 01, 2009, 08:38:08 PM
mature? MILF ang pumapasok sa isip ko..sorry
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Post by: edmund on October 01, 2009, 08:41:11 PM
pag nakakalbo na matured ka na :-D :roll:
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Post by: boncram on October 01, 2009, 09:17:18 PM
saka kung di ka naman nagmmature pa eh ano naman. lahat naman may oras. kanya kanya lang yan.
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Post by: 24242009 on October 01, 2009, 09:25:49 PM
yung gitarista ng limp bizkit jazz player bago siya sumali sa limp bizkit. ano tawag dun? :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Van* on October 01, 2009, 10:03:34 PM
so you mean bata ung dream theater... kasi techi ung pagka ka arrange ng kanta nila... :)
bakit kung young musician ka, ndi kana maging mature in music? i also disagree w/ your statement...
lets not put barriers in music genre... kung anung trip mo and ihalo mo sa new music it means new genre, and also it means ur upgrading ur skills...
isa pa young musicians na mature sa music will stick sa hilig nilang tugtugin kasi ayaw nila maging mainstream... wakekeke... :)
my apologies bro if what i was trying to say came out palihis, hehehehe, music is music, yun na yun
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Post by: inot1105 on October 01, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
ganun?... e di, immature pa pala ako... hehehe.
when will i grow up? hmmm. come to think of it, mahirap ang jazz... tried it once, on my own.. teribleh. its not that easy.
saka na siguro ako mag-mamature. till then, rak pa din! :wink: \m/
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: guitarwiz02 on October 01, 2009, 11:49:17 PM
Not really. If a musician decided to shift from rock to jazz, it only means two things, either he/she already mastered the art of rock guitar or he/she just wanted to go on a different musical path, just venturing out so to speak. Remember, Alex Scholnick once left Testament to pursue his passion for Jazz. But now, he's back with the band. Does that make him "immature" again? :mrgreen:
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Post by: alvinralphnrivera on October 01, 2009, 11:56:39 PM
its a matter of CHOICE and FREEDOM of EXPRESSION :-o
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Post by: bluenote on October 02, 2009, 01:19:45 AM
Mature ka na kapag mahilig ka na mag-big bike. :-D
matured na pag napapanot na hehehe... bigla akong nag ka gig bukas with Gilbert (Malik) hehehe nangamote ako sa saytay kanina hehehe wala akong alam sa mga pyesa....
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Post by: bluenote on October 02, 2009, 01:24:29 AM
ay bakit?????? wala akong alam kung may nalalagasan na ng buhok dito ah!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: aya_yuson on October 02, 2009, 10:46:43 AM
... mature ka din kapag tama na ang spelling mo ng Keith Richards.
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Post by: arkeetar on October 02, 2009, 10:47:47 AM
haha burger thread :lol:
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Post by: skunkyfunk on October 02, 2009, 10:50:06 AM
Traits of a MATURE player:
1. You start NOT to think while playing. You just don't feel it, everything becomes automatic and 2nd nature. 2. For those who sing and play at the same time, you start not looking at your guitar (kabisado na ang fretboard positions; kumbaga sa typing, certified chat expert) 3. You know how much volume you need. 4. You know when it is your turn to do leads. 5. You know what to do during your leads and not just do random noodling. 6. You know that rhythm playing is harder than lead playing.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Van* on October 02, 2009, 10:54:18 AM
1. You start NOT to think while playing. You just don't feel it, everything becomes automatic and 2nd nature.
i rather not play in autopilot mode
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Post by: aya_yuson on October 02, 2009, 10:56:06 AM
...
7. You respect all genres, all musicians, all people. Sometimes you make fun of the more asinine segments of humanity. But you never hit below the belt and never kick someone when he's down. You are as gracious in victory as you are in defeat.
8. You know how to laugh at yourself.
9. You allow music to illuminate the way to being a better human being.
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Post by: unnailed on October 02, 2009, 10:58:52 AM
:-D
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Post by: aya_yuson on October 02, 2009, 11:00:44 AM
That's not what he meant. What he meant by "not thinking" is a level of mastery which renders cursive thought unnecessary.
It's like using a fork and spoon. Do you ever think about how to use a fork and spoon while you eat? As in -- Ok, now bring the spoon up to my mouth. Then spear that piece of meat with the fork.
I hope not.
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Post by: guitarwiz02 on October 02, 2009, 11:02:05 AM
That's not what he meant. What he meant by "not thinking" is a level of mastery which renders cursive thought unnecessary.
It's like using a fork and spoon. Do you ever think about how to use a fork and spoon while you eat? As in -- Ok, now bring the spoon up to my mouth. Then spear that piece of meat with the fork.
I hope not.
Right On Sir Aya da master!
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Ryn on October 02, 2009, 11:03:31 AM
Pero chong, diba pag nagmature ang isang banda, individually, puwede rin magkaroon ng conflicts musically? I doubt if Ritchie Blackmore can ever like to be with Deep Purple again to write new tunes. Same thing with Dirk Lance with Incubus. Or Chris Poland with Megadeth.
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Post by: erniebong on October 02, 2009, 11:21:49 AM
Pero chong, diba pag nagmature ang isang banda, individually, puwede rin magkaroon ng conflicts musically? I doubt if Ritchie Blackmore can ever like to be with Deep Purple again to write new tunes. Same thing with Dirk Lance with Incubus. Or Chris Poland with Megadeth.
kaya nga siguro sila nag alisan..... realizing na pointless makipag talo sa mga creative difference kung walang gustong mag compromise..... guess ko lang naman
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Post by: itchybrain on October 02, 2009, 11:23:03 AM
I'm mature because I'm Papai da seylormoon!
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: arkeetar on October 02, 2009, 11:26:29 AM
7. You respect all genres, all musicians, all people. Sometimes you make fun of the more asinine segments of humanity. But you never hit below the belt and never kick someone when he's down. You are as gracious in victory as you are in defeat.
8. You know how to laugh at yourself.
9. You allow music to illuminate the way to being a better human being.
always haha (http://smileyicons.net/s/522.gif)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: rednas on October 02, 2009, 12:22:42 PM
Nagmature na rin tong thread... :lol:
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Post by: angeloesteban14 on October 02, 2009, 12:58:30 PM
kahapon lang ginawa yung thread, 185th post na ito :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: win32dotex on October 02, 2009, 01:11:22 PM
siguro ang rock pang bata...
ang jazz sa mga above bata level...
wakekeke.... :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: AkelleFusion on October 02, 2009, 01:55:56 PM
I love jazz, and im very much influenced by jazz/fusion players But to say that 'mature ka pag nagshift' is just not right-parang fallacy of hasty generalization yan mga tipong:
"speed is the best measure of skill" " To shred is the only way to be a superior guitar player" etc
Actually, and in my very humble opinion-mas immature ka pag ganyan ka mag isip-na may mga dogmatisms ka na ganyan-mga absolute na generalization statements na hindi nag aaply naman talaga in real life.
In the end, good music is good music regardless of genre, technicality and on top of it all, regardless kung ano pa ang uso.
Thanks. :)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: itchybrain on October 02, 2009, 01:59:09 PM
Jazz da tu op as..
Wi ken meyk it ip we trai
Jazz da tu op ass...
(Jazz da tu op ass)
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: fusionenigma on October 02, 2009, 02:13:53 PM
in an academic and historical sense.... yes..... for at least 4 reasons
1 Jazz is a lot older than Rock its been there long before the record industry was conceived, rock just came along sometime in the 50's which is a by product of RnB
2 To play Jazz you will have to learn a lot of music music theory to know the rules for you to break them.... its has more complex structures while rock is more predictable.... basically you'll have to graduate from Rock to play Jazz (in a sense)
3 Rock reflects adolescent rebellion while jazz (generally) represents matured elegant class (makes sense?)
4 In terms of demographic taste most kids relate to rock (duh) while most older people can tolerate jazz
As a player, artistically speaking NO, maybe i just like fast loud and aggressive music more than complex elegant progressions, their just two different genres. i've been pursuing jazz for my personal study hoping that someday i can graduate to become a jazz player.... but i still think the rock n roll spirit will be forever in me since (in my hearth) im an eternal teenager.
in a nutshell... if we sum it all down to a general musical aptitude.... my answer is Yes
note: but if someone who plays jazz is downplaying someone who plays rock (as in nilalagyan at vocally bargging about is musical level)... i think he is personally immature despite his mature musical aptitude.
i think musical aptitude is different from personal aptitude.... tama i've seen some jazz players that are immature... and ive seen some rock players who are mature as well.
mature answer. could not have said it better myself.
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Post by: thr3ten on October 02, 2009, 02:14:50 PM
tugtugin mo jazz.. "jazz take my heart" o kitams.. pwede naman magkasama ang jazz at rock. :lol:
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Post by: neiloid on October 02, 2009, 04:35:19 PM
BTT: genre shifts? well, it's all about preference.. musical maturity for me comes from experience - learning from it and applying it to create your own music. :wink:
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Post by: donard on October 02, 2009, 05:44:46 PM
^ ou nga bilis magmature
di ko tuloy malaman kung sang stage ako dito haha
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Post by: arjhay on October 02, 2009, 07:05:14 PM
good story telling and phrasing..... :-D
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Post by: Van* on October 02, 2009, 08:21:10 PM
That's not what he meant. What he meant by "not thinking" is a level of mastery which renders cursive thought unnecessary.
It's like using a fork and spoon. Do you ever think about how to use a fork and spoon while you eat? As in -- Ok, now bring the spoon up to my mouth. Then spear that piece of meat with the fork.
I hope not.
thanks for clearing that up
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Post by: william251082 on October 02, 2009, 10:25:35 PM
That's not what he meant. What he meant by "not thinking" is a level of mastery which renders cursive thought unnecessary.
It's like using a fork and spoon. Do you ever think about how to use a fork and spoon while you eat? As in -- Ok, now bring the spoon up to my mouth. Then spear that piece of meat with the fork.
I hope not.
+1 ako dun
If someone tells you that he's thinking about theory stuff while playing, it's either he's lying or he just can't play well.
@topic If played well, any kind of music can be great except rap :-D (joke lang ha, baka may hater na naman na mangburaot!)
Leave the labels to the marketing people! I don't think Charlie Parker ever thought of something like "oh i'll invent bebop tomorrow". hahahaha :-D
Music is music there are only 2 kinds great and crappy! If you see beyond labels maybe that's the start to maturity but who am I to know?
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Post by: h3adrock3r on October 02, 2009, 10:34:59 PM
1. playing all the modes in one go 2. don't know where are the A notes on the fretboard 3. 11 is the best volume.. all through out the set 4. play lead solo anytime you want 5. noodle all the fretboard like we are just playing in our room 6. power chord is the best sounding chord 7. all down stroke picking, upstroke picking ang fingerstyle suck bigtime 8. tune by ear even thought we dont have proper ear training 9. heavy distorted guitar is the way to go, all knobs at 5 o clock 10. 3 major chords is all we need to know
i think this is right :-D
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Post by: pitongjerome on October 07, 2009, 10:59:14 AM
Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
immature ang magsabi nito!
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Post by: donard on October 07, 2009, 11:03:22 AM
Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
immature ang magsabi nito!
dinirecho haha :-D
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Post by: kimBuhain on October 07, 2009, 12:04:40 PM
mature? in what way?
kung totoo yang statement na yan edi hindi "nagmature" sila paul gilert at steve vai dahil hindi sila nagjjazz? hehe
ang definition ko ng mature musician is someone who can listen whether the band is in tune/tempo/rhythm, and can even tune his own instrument,.knows when and when NOT to play.
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Post by: LesBol on October 07, 2009, 04:11:12 PM
mga sirs:
Matured ka na ba if you mostly play 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's music?
Immature ba if you only play 90's and 2K songs? :-D
Amature ba kung hindi marunong mag sweep/shred :-D :-D
Pasensiya na sa comment, premature kasi ako ... Har-har-har!
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Post by: guitarwiz02 on October 07, 2009, 04:29:14 PM
Matured ka na ba if you mostly play 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's music?
Immature ba if you only play 90's and 2K songs? :-D
Amature ba kung hindi marunong mag sweep/shred :-D :-D
Pasensiya na sa comment, premature kasi ako ... Har-har-har!
Ah so 'di pa pala kabuwanan ng mom mo nung pinanganak ka.
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Post by: kune_km on October 07, 2009, 04:39:52 PM
as for me, medyo weird ang taste ko sa music. yung mga bagong sumisikat na songs di ko agad naa-appreciate. well, hindi naman lahat. pag medyo naluma na tsaka ko nagugustuhan ng husto.
siguro kasi nagagasgas ang tenga ko na madalas marinig yung mga bagong songs kahit saan. pero once medyo naluma na, dun ko mas naa-appreciate. "uy ang ganda pala nung song na un!!!"
bata pa ako ganun na ang taste ko sa music. from 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's music. mga music na kung tutuusin eh di ko naman inabutan.
sobrang OT na yata. hehehehe
going back to the topic, i dont think na matured musicians lang na matatawag kung nagshift ka from rock to jazz.
eh ano tawag mo sa nag-shift from jazz to rock??? tumatanda ng paurong???
hehehehehehe
peace!!!
:-)
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Post by: BAMF on October 07, 2009, 10:31:34 PM
Ah so 'di pa pala kabuwanan ng mom mo nung pinanganak ka.
Wel,, that's one of the definitions of premature. Actually, I'm just fooling around ... even intentionally mispelled amateur as amature (if anyone has noticed) para hindi lang rhyme, pati syllable structure pareho :-D
But going back to the topic, even though I'm not a jazz fanatic, there are certain jazz songs which I love to listen to (don't ask me the title though). But I really cannot get the hang of it. Can't even finish listening to a jazz album in one seating.
Rock and roll forever!!!
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Post by: aya_yuson on October 08, 2009, 10:04:04 AM
Wel,, that's one of the definitions of premature. Actually, I'm just fooling around ... even intentionally mispelled amateur as amature (if anyone has noticed) para hindi lang rhyme, pati syllable structure pareho :-D
But going back to the topic, even though I'm not a jazz fanatic, there are certain jazz songs which I love to listen to (don't ask me the title though). But I really cannot get the hang of it. Can't even finish listening to a jazz album in one seating.
Rock and roll forever!!!
Baka 'ka ko isipin mong wala na namang nakapansin.
Sitting. --> "... in one sitting". :-)
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Post by: pitongjerome on October 08, 2009, 10:08:11 AM
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Post by: parirami on October 08, 2009, 10:30:26 AM
Personally, and this is based on my experience (kaya nga personal d b?) when I was playing with rock and then explored jazz I think it's more an element of being "LOST" than being mature. It was a point when i need to find my thing and that is more important than what genre i play.
In a way maturity yung search but immaturity din ung not knowing where to go so goes both ways. What I realized is kanya-kanyang genre yan, if you go rock but have the same theory and you push the envelope may maturity pa rin dun. IF you play standards by focusingon the the discipline of the improv (yes may discipline un heheh) you are equally mature. Ngayon lost pa rin ako :P:P:P hehehe
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 08, 2009, 11:48:02 AM
Re: macho ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: skunkyfunk on October 08, 2009, 12:43:32 PM
Baka 'ka ko isipin mong wala na namang nakapansin.
Sitting. --> "... in one sitting". :-)
Teka hindi ba wrong spelling ka rin? Di ba dapat "SITTI" hindi "sitting"?
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: LesBol on October 08, 2009, 06:29:55 PM
IMO, personal preference ito. Really depends kung saan ka mas masaya, or ano mood mo.
I had a guitar tutor once who's very good in rock, but also gets accolade from fellow guitarists when he plays jazz. Mature? Probably. But one thing's for sure, he's happy shifting between the two genres wihout having to prefer one from the other. That's what counts.
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Post by: patchpanel on October 08, 2009, 06:45:40 PM
Re: macho ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
ang payat ko pala hehe :-D
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Post by: red_hot on October 09, 2009, 09:52:32 AM
Nyek nu ba toh Dipende naman sa passion ng music mo yun nu.....
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Post by: loange18 on October 09, 2009, 10:28:11 AM
sa aking experience...
naappreciate ko na yung jazz nung tumanda ako. as you grow older, marami ka nang napakinggan na music nakakasawa na din mag-eexplore ka na ng bagong music. dumaan din ako nun na biglang binura ko lahat ng metal ko sa player ko tapos pinuno ko ng lee ritenour tsaka fourplay tsaka chick correa. pero, sa katagalan, binalik ko na si sevendust, slipknot, mudvayne at ang mga grupong hupaw. haha...
baka din kasi, i've heard them all before, parang mas naghahanap nako ng maskomplikado tipong lee ritenour. preo nung sinubukan ko nang pag-aralan sa gitara, talo. haha. mas masaya pa rin mag paulit-ulit na lang ng nookie ng limpbizkit kasi nakukuha ko ng tama tsaka nakakapag-headbang pa.. haha. siguro, masdiscriminating ka na pag tumanda ka na, di na kakagat agad sa mga bago. more analytical na ba.
you will always go back to your roots. :D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: parirami on October 09, 2009, 10:30:58 AM
Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz.. sino ba nagsabi nito, baka sabi-sabi lang?
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on October 09, 2009, 10:48:25 AM
rock guitarist reaches a plateu when it becomes very difficult to find the time or energy it takes to get to the next level of guitar playing. his taste changes. he listens to other forms of music. he decides which direction he wants to go: jazz or classical...
(jazz) ...he starts to add chromaticism to his soloing/improvisation. he listens to bebop. he abandons the scalar/modal appraoch. he learns to solo based on the scale where the chord/chord progression can be found. his understanding of jazz becomes more in depth. he starts not to rely on the mechanics of chord scales. he struggles to learn chord-tone soloing. eventually, this approach becomes more natural to him as he develops develops good jazz rhythm (swing feel). he explores other chord voicings. then he starts to enjoy the sound of a good acoustic guitar and an electric guitar plugged directly to a clean amplifier. he develops a strong repertoire of standard tunes. he is now 70 years old.
(classical) OT na :-D
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guthrie govan is not jazz. just wanted to get that off my chest.
I agree with Tyron. Guthrie isn't jazz, he just incorporates jazz once in a while into his music. That's why I like Guthrie, he knows when & where to put it a certain type of solo. He steps on other territories, observes & studies it, & applies it on his music which makes him versatile.
Anyway, I'd say yes. Jazz takes more time & focus, which makes you mature if you step on its ground. I have yet to study this genre though, paging TYRON! :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Hellghast on October 09, 2009, 02:39:02 PM
plain crap.
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Post by: kune_km on October 09, 2009, 02:43:59 PM
mature ka na kapag wala na sa kalendaryo yung edad mo... joke lang... :P
may lotto pa naman daw :-b
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jmorrero on December 06, 2009, 02:27:50 PM
Maturity to me...
1. can play well in a band as rhythm and lead guitarist
2. can play songs and put some riff without murdering the song...hahhah
3. can play with any effects, amp and guitar
4. you're true to your music. hindi alias lang
Marami na akong nakitang gitarista who cannot play rhythm. its either laglag sa metro or walang kwenta ang ginagawa. Lead part di magiging maganda kung walang magandang rhythm. A song can stand without lead part but cant stand without rhythm...
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: gainsucker on December 06, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
a friend of mine shifted from rock to jazz... and the sad part is tinatawanan nya mga showbands and mga tumutugtog ng rock... sayang at magaling pa naman sana...
maturity for me i guess is being humble enough to not brag and just play music, kahit mapa rock or jazz...
Ok ang mga mabait, humble at magaling.... kesa naman sa magaling pero mayabang...
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jommel on December 06, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jmorrero on December 06, 2009, 10:05:23 PM
a true rocker can be a jazzer someday but a true jazzer cannot shift to rock...At walang ultimate type of music
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jopangan on December 07, 2009, 12:10:38 AM
in my oponion kasi, jazz is a very complicated na genre, because of sa timing, chord-voicing, rhythm, scales, etc. well sa chords palang napakalalim na eh...and when you know jazz very well..you are good technically. For me jazz is an another level of music to study.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: blustringah on December 07, 2009, 01:36:30 AM
jazz really is a higher learning..its a lot of hard work.. :-D..its crazeee!..with the term mature? lets just ask webster
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: aya_yuson on December 07, 2009, 10:31:26 AM
ako kasi wala pang nakikilalang ganun, pero hindi pa rin kadami kakilala kong jazz players. madalas kasi rock to jazz? :?
:lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on December 07, 2009, 10:35:38 AM
learn both and you'll both be mature and immature at the same time LOL..
rockers aint immature, jazzers aint mature. they are equal to me.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: burnsbhm on December 07, 2009, 10:44:36 AM
This is a common misconception lalo na sa mga musicians na namayagpag nung 90s. To them, rockers are amateurs and the only way to be a pro musician is to be a jazz fusion enthusiast. Funny is that the guys who believed in this adage are not even well versed in jazz. Yung mga nagsasabi nito mga ALIAS din sa jazz.
It is true that it is the most demanding musical genre aside from classical but it doesn't mean that you are a mature musician if you become an exclusive jazz player. Tell that to Vai, Clapton, May, Satriani, Petrucci, Albert Lee, Brent Mason and they will simply laugh at you.
I don't mind playing "So What", "Giant Steps", "Take Five" and I will have a great time doing it. But nothing knocks my socks off than plugging my guitar to a Marshall or VOX AC-30 cranked to 10 and hit an A5! When that sounds rages the room, I feel like I'm the richest guy on the planet.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: red_hot on December 07, 2009, 11:02:29 AM
mature ka daw pag tumatanda ka na hehehe parang ganun lang yun ah hehehe
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ninen on December 07, 2009, 11:28:20 AM
"mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz.. "
i don't think being mature is the word...for me, "flexible" is how i would describe it, not only from rock to jazz, but to and from other genres as well...
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jopangan on December 07, 2009, 02:34:23 PM
A lot of music schools are jazz oriented.
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Post by: jopangan on December 07, 2009, 02:35:33 PM
If you control jazz, you control the whole universe! LOL
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: r_chino18 on December 07, 2009, 02:40:14 PM
*if you control the rebound, you control the game*
mismo ka pare koy,,para kang si akagi sempai niyan hahaha at si sakuragi hehehe
if you control the controler you control the controler,,,, :|
imo being mature is you know what your heart realy desire at open ang utak mo sa pakikinig ng kahit anung genre,,open ka sa new ideas at humble ka sa mga blessing eklabers mo :wink:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: AkelleFusion on December 07, 2009, 05:27:22 PM
mature ka kung binabantayan mo na yung uric acid levels mo. hehehe. joke. Back to topic: As you mature, I think you're becoming much more appreciative of music which did not strike as cool or nice when you were younger. So being more appreciative is a sign of maturity as opposed to sticking to one form of music.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on December 07, 2009, 05:29:23 PM
mismo ka pare koy,,para kang si akagi sempai niyan hahaha at si sakuragi hehehe
if you control the controler you control the controler,,,, :|
imo being mature is you know what your heart realy desire at open ang utak mo sa pakikinig ng kahit anung genre,,open ka sa new ideas at humble ka sa mga blessing eklabers mo :wink:
you are so chervaloosh correct!
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ka_chink on December 08, 2009, 01:01:18 AM
maturity is all the mind mga kapatid hehehehe there is no such thing as mature ka kasi ganito ganyan tugtugan, iba iba tau kung baga sa puno we don't sprout the same branches hehehe nyahahahahah
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: fish_shtick on December 08, 2009, 03:07:38 AM
a true rocker can be a jazzer someday but a true jazzer cannot shift to rock...At walang ultimate type of music
no can't be.. John petrucci started as jazz player when he was studying in berkley, same as satriani too, he started from jazz warm-up and scales.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: dayuhanspace on December 09, 2009, 02:18:05 AM
Just like Alex Skolnik of Testament, he used to play Metal then he left to study more music. now he plays awesome jazz pero cinocover nya Rock songs din.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: dayuhanspace on December 09, 2009, 02:22:24 AM
Just like Alex Skolnik of Testament, he used to play Metal then he left to study more music. now he plays awesome jazz pero cinocover nya Rock songs din.
Mizmo yan bro !!! The last 3 Phil Jazz Festivals featured heavyweights of Jazz Guitar ... John Scofield; Mike Stern; Scott Henderson... & at each event maybe around 200 pax lang nanuod :-D considering na may libre pang workshop/clinic yun :-D Kami-kami lang din nagkikita 8-) :lol:
pero pag si Paul Gilbert, Yngwie, Petrucci darating... kahit hindi na mag noche buena mga gitarista, maka bili lang ng ticket... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ael_israel on December 10, 2009, 10:17:12 AM
Mizmo yan bro !!! The last 3 Phil Jazz Festivals featured heavyweights of Jazz Guitar ... John Scofield; Mike Stern; Scott Henderson... & at each event maybe around 200 pax lang nanuod :-D considering na may libre pang workshop/clinic yun :-D Kami-kami lang din nagkikita 8-) :lol:
pero pag si Paul Gilbert, Yngwie, Petrucci darating... kahit hindi na mag noche buena mga gitarista, maka bili lang ng ticket... :lol: :lol: :lol:
hahaah uunga noh hehehe tama pag mga jazz greats iilan lang,,i guess kasi hindi pa ganun ka wide ang approach ng tao when it comes to jazz,,unlike sa mga musicians na appreicated ang jazz,,dito satin kasi raWK and ROWL ang trip so ayun :-) pero i guess maturity eh hindi lang binabase kung nagjajazz ka or hindi ,,anu tingin nyu? :wink:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on December 10, 2009, 10:28:24 AM
kaya nga may nagsabi, si boss perf ata un,kung papipiliin siya ng tutugtugin, kung anong genre, "it has to be the one that brings the dough"
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: belligerentsquirthead on December 10, 2009, 02:33:54 PM
Me nagsabi saken neto. Metalcore kase banatan ko. Pang kids daw. :)) Magblues nalang daw ako at Jazz. I love different genres I'm even into Tagalog Rap like Juan Thugs. Pero di ko talaga trip tugtugin yung Blues and Jazz eh. ;)) Siguro dahil sa age nga din. Kase 19 lang ako. Pwahaha! Pero ewan ko ha. Meron ding mga sing edad ko na mahilig sa Blues and Jazz. Siguro kanya kanyang trip din talaga. At di ka din matatawag na mature porke Jazz or Blues ang Genre mo. Di naman dun nagdedepende yun eh. ^____^
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: gainsucker on December 10, 2009, 02:41:53 PM
Me nagsabi saken neto. Metalcore kase banatan ko. Pang kids daw. :)) Magblues nalang daw ako at Jazz. I love different genres I'm even into Tagalog Rap like Juan Thugs. Pero di ko talaga trip tugtugin yung Blues and Jazz eh. ;)) Siguro dahil sa age nga din. Kase 19 lang ako. Pwahaha! Pero ewan ko ha. Meron ding mga sing edad ko na mahilig sa Blues and Jazz. Siguro kanya kanyang trip din talaga. At di ka din matatawag na mature porke Jazz or Blues ang Genre mo. Di naman dun nagdedepende yun eh. ^____^
yung nagsabi sayo ang immature... :lol:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: pitongjerome on December 10, 2009, 02:43:31 PM
Me nagsabi saken neto. Metalcore kase banatan ko. Pang kids daw. :)) Magblues nalang daw ako at Jazz. I love different genres I'm even into Tagalog Rap like Juan Thugs. Pero di ko talaga trip tugtugin yung Blues and Jazz eh. ;)) Siguro dahil sa age nga din. Kase 19 lang ako. Pwahaha! Pero ewan ko ha. Meron ding mga sing edad ko na mahilig sa Blues and Jazz. Siguro kanya kanyang trip din talaga. At di ka din matatawag na mature porke Jazz or Blues ang Genre mo. Di naman dun nagdedepende yun eh. ^____^
maaring di mo trip ang tunog nito.. pero.. nood nood ka sa youtube, pramis, matitripan mo yan.. nood ka mga clapton, bbking, SRV, dami pang iba..
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ael_israel on December 10, 2009, 02:57:53 PM
Me nagsabi saken neto. Metalcore kase banatan ko. Pang kids daw. :)) Magblues nalang daw ako at Jazz. I love different genres I'm even into Tagalog Rap like Juan Thugs. Pero di ko talaga trip tugtugin yung Blues and Jazz eh. ;)) Siguro dahil sa age nga din. Kase 19 lang ako. Pwahaha! Pero ewan ko ha. Meron ding mga sing edad ko na mahilig sa Blues and Jazz. Siguro kanya kanyang trip din talaga. At di ka din matatawag na mature porke Jazz or Blues ang Genre mo. Di naman dun nagdedepende yun eh. ^____^
in time ,,maapreciate mo din ang blues and jazz,,when i was at your age,,i freakin hate those,,seriously,,,when i got older and decided to embrace different kinds of genre in music,,even "world music" (not literaly world music) but the genre itself,,saka ko na realize na important din pala na ikutan ko lahat :-) hindi man sa lahat pero as much as posible ma pass through ko sila :-) in due time, ,for sure ,,youll be able to embrace them too :wink:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: belligerentsquirthead on December 10, 2009, 03:57:38 PM
in time ,,maapreciate mo din ang blues and jazz,,when i was at your age,,i freakin hate those,,seriously,,,when i got older and decided to embrace different kinds of genre in music,,even "world music" (not literaly world music) but the genre itself,,saka ko na realize na important din pala na ikutan ko lahat :-) hindi man sa lahat pero as much as posible ma pass through ko sila :-) in due time, ,for sure ,,youll be able to embrace them too :wink:
Actually, I love listening to Blues and Jazz din naman. But playing them through my guitar indi po eh. :-s Listening lang oo. I'm even into classical music and I'm into almost all kinds of genres, from classical to electronica. But then, I just dont get excited or get the feeling that I wanna play it. Siguro one day maiisipan ko din na tugtugin sya. Pero as of now, I'm still wanna play Christian Metalcore songs and create acoustic R&B music. :D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Van* on December 10, 2009, 11:38:12 PM
alam kong mature yung mga porn music eh.ayun
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ka_chink on December 11, 2009, 03:39:12 AM
may pagkakaiba ata ang maturity at disiplina di ba, shifting to one genre to another is a musicians choice whatever the he/she has.. kung ganun di ba personal un, tapos papasok lang ang maturity siguro kung na reach mo na yun gusto mo marating as a musician but it still says one thing " Pansarili mo itong satisfaction " na ibig sabihin eh nag mature ka personally. Pero ibabase mo ang maturity mo sa ibang musicians well iba na un. Disiplina naman iba din yun, di ba nga dedikasyon mo un sa pagiging musikero mo, rules you live by as a musician. Para sa akin kasi ang pagmamature mo sa musika eh pag nag meet na yun Gusto mo magawa at un ginagawa mo. And lastly " there is no maturity but its the fulfillment we get from what we are doing " hehe mabuhay ang mga musikerong pinoy
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: ka_chink on December 11, 2009, 03:46:03 AM
padagdag lang po, lahat napagaaralan, scales, styles we still want to learn di ba, so when your satisfied well kayu na magsabi kung mature nga kayo o hindi hehehehe kanya kanya lang yan talaga sa totoo lang hehehe
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jopangan on December 11, 2009, 10:25:31 AM
you will rock and jazz always, if you love your guitar.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: peeves24 on December 11, 2009, 10:28:59 AM
di ba yung first rock musicians e nagsimula sa jazz. ano sila tumanda ng paurong? :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: phektus on December 11, 2009, 03:49:04 PM
mature saan? :lol: :lol: :lol: So pag jazz to rock, nagi-isip bata? Minsan mas masarap pakinggan musika ng musmos
di ba yung first rock musicians e nagsimula sa jazz. ano sila tumanda ng paurong? :-D
hehehe honga naman but maturity is never a measure of age nor seniority :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Nemorensis on December 14, 2009, 10:39:57 PM
well for me it doesnt matter what genre is for matured and for those who is just dangling around
as long as you love what you are doing it will manifest greatly in your playing...
and people, in effect will also love it!!!
and crave for it hanggang one day may mga followers ka na
at kahit matanda ka na at yun pa din ang tinutugtog mo ang bottom line is nag enjoy ka nafulfill mo ang part mo sa industriya ng music at nakapag iwan ka ng footsteps for others to follow.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jommel on December 27, 2009, 01:24:59 AM
may pagkakaiba ata ang maturity at disiplina di ba, shifting to one genre to another is a musicians choice whatever the he/she has.. kung ganun di ba personal un, tapos papasok lang ang maturity siguro kung na reach mo na yun gusto mo marating as a musician but it still says one thing " Pansarili mo itong satisfaction " na ibig sabihin eh nag mature ka personally. Pero ibabase mo ang maturity mo sa ibang musicians well iba na un. Disiplina naman iba din yun, di ba nga dedikasyon mo un sa pagiging musikero mo, rules you live by as a musician. Para sa akin kasi ang pagmamature mo sa musika eh pag nag meet na yun Gusto mo magawa at un ginagawa mo. And lastly " there is no maturity but its the fulfillment we get from what we are doing " hehe mabuhay ang mga musikerong pinoy
i second to this.. i think maturity is gained with experience. parang pag bata pa ang isang tao laruan pa ang gusto nya, tapos me mae-encounter syang mga bagay either accidentally or by actual interest, then matututo ng mga bagay bagay na makakatulong/hindi makakatulong sa paglaki, makakaexperience ng kalokohan, mapapahamak, madadala, maghahanap ng kasagutan sa sandamukal na bagay, magbabago, mag-iiba ng pagkilos, magkakaron ng sarilin point of views, matututong magkontrol sa sarili etc etc, kumbaga nagmamature ang tao base sa lahat ng naranasan nya. Hindi lang ung basta nagbasa ka ng libro tungkol sa panong maging mature tas magmamature ka na agad. It's a personal attainment. Walang taong hindi nagmamature, ung iba mabilis ung iba mabagal pero nagmamature parin eventually.
Tingin ko ganun din sa music dahil pwede kang magkainterest sa gitara, tumugtog ng uso, magsawa, maghanap ng bagong kanta na swak sa panlasa mo, bumili ng gamit, matutong mangalikot ng gamit, mapangitan sa gamit, habangbuhay na magupgrade, makadiskubre ng magandang patterns at progressions by accident, magaral tugtugin yung paborito mong kanta, magkaron ng sandamukal na kantang kayang tugtugin, etc etc and so madedevelop ang maturity mo bilang isang musikero. Pwedeng rock parin ang tugtugan mo pero madami ka nang alam dahil sa mga natutunan mo mula nung nagsimula ka. pwedeng piliin mo mag jazz, pwede ring hindi, pero hindi mwawala lahat ng experiences na naranasan mo. so matured ka parin kahit anong mangyari.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jiu-jitsu brasileiro on December 27, 2009, 07:46:59 AM
considered immature pala ako. :-D never kasi akong nahilig sa jazz.
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: jommel on December 27, 2009, 07:56:51 AM
considered immature pala ako. :-D never kasi akong nahilig sa jazz.
i dont think so.. pwede ka namang mag mature sa genre na pinili mo eh.. :-D :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: hedgehug_23 on December 27, 2009, 11:05:57 AM
ung lolo ko di mahilig sa rock,maingay daw kasi,bka gnun un?hahahahaha :evil:
just kidding :-D
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: Avatarsaint on December 28, 2009, 11:10:17 PM
oh no! baka mag Jazz na ang Metallica!? hahaha! Jazzica! :D di na makaheadbang si Lars!
pano kaya yung Lamb of God! :D isipin mo si Randy at si Mark Morton nag Jazz na haha! :D
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Post by: hiromi_777a on December 28, 2009, 11:23:41 PM
IMO mature ka if you appreciate almost any genre, kung hindi man lahat. :wink:
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: slowspeeder on December 28, 2009, 11:38:23 PM
its a little OT, but after years in hard rock genre, im switching more to blues now than jazz. Signs and symptoms: i've disposed of most of my heavy metal arsenal, but i retained the basics: overdrive, EQ, wah and delay. But i will always be a true blue hard rocker, its in the blood 8-).
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: sonikyut on December 31, 2009, 08:27:06 PM
hinde naman maturity na matatawag yun....
ang maturity from metallica to toto :lol: hahahahahaha
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: aya13allen on December 31, 2009, 10:31:30 PM
big NO ako dito, know how to listen, when and where to play and stop, that's maturity in playing
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Post by: qwi on December 31, 2009, 10:41:17 PM
maturity is when you are at a stage when you can never be dictated by someone else of your choices in music
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: kingthomas on January 01, 2010, 03:48:22 AM
oh no! baka mag Jazz na ang Metallica!? hahaha! Jazzica! :D di na makaheadbang si Lars!
pano kaya yung Lamb of God! :D isipin mo si Randy at si Mark Morton nag Jazz na haha! :D
may jazzy thing na ginagawa nila dun sa intro ng "grace" hahaha. well at least for me. of course hindi improvised yung intro pero may jazz sensibility lang ako naririnig sa aking mga tenga.
BTT:
okay rin yung alex skolnick trio. any of you guys have heard their material? sobrang opposite end ng ginagawa niya sa testament. :lol: kaya magaling si alex. :mrgreen: siguro nag mature nga siya or ewan ko... but then again, feeling ko choice niya lang talaga yun. :-D
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Post by: Avatarsaint on January 01, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
may jazzy thing na ginagawa nila dun sa intro ng "grace" hahaha. well at least for me. of course hindi improvised yung intro pero may jazz sensibility lang ako naririnig sa aking mga tenga. [/quote]
oo nga pala! hahahaha! :D MATURE na sila haha
Title: Re: mature ka daw pag nagshift ka from rock to jazz..
Post by: bluejem on January 02, 2010, 10:01:01 PM
madalas ko marinig to sa mga musicians na nakakasama ko.. well..i appreciate both worlds..pero di ko lang matanggap na purke jazz na tugtugan mo, mature na tawag sa tugtugan mo.. o baka naman mature lang talaga sila sa age..ayaw ng maingay.. hehehe! joke lang ha! wag kayo magalit.. :-D
what do you guys think? may ganito rin ba kayong experiences?
IMHO I agree,that is a NO!!! Musical maturity is not achieved by playing a certian genre of music.Musical maturity to me is how you play any genre properly and accurately with all the aspects of music...dynamics,tone,rhythm,harmony,melody,arrangement,creativity,dicipline,artistry etc.Infact I prefer a musician who can play any genre,guys like the local masters Ceasar Aguas,Noel Mendez,Janno Queyquep,Jack Rufo and many more.Whatever kind of genre that maybe they play it really well.It just proves that music as an art has no limits,so it should not be limited to playing only Jazz.