Author Topic: Drumset Tuning and Head Selection thread (Read 145649 times)

Diadem · « **Reply #100 on:** September 23, 2006, 06:41:01 PM »

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Just as I thought. Sorry to say, 6 lugs are too few for a modern kick drum. Less lugs, less tension... Less support for the loose tuning. There should be at least 8 for 22" kicks. High-end models have 10.

woooH buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng

drumster · « **Reply #101 on:** September 23, 2006, 06:58:58 PM »

Quote from: Diadem

woooH buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng

No wonder, one cannot get more even and consistent quality tuning out of drums with less-than-required lugs.

FYI... For 8" toms, at least 4 lugs are decent. 10" toms should have at least 5. 12"-13" toms and snares should have 6. 14" snares and 14"-above toms should have at least 8 toms. Though I see some 14" suspended toms which have 6 lugs.

Diadem · « **Reply #102 on:** September 23, 2006, 07:02:13 PM »

Excatly Sir DIO!!!

8' - 4 lugs
10' 5
12' - 5
13' - 5
16 - 8
snare 14' - 8
bass - 22' - 8

my lazer kit is a replica of the pearl master custom

peeves24 · « **Reply #103 on:** September 23, 2006, 10:25:53 PM »

Quote from: Diadem

woooH buti nlang 8 sakin... kaya pla eh.. ung mga bagong local na drums... 5 lugs lng toms.. pti ung sa floor 5 lugs lng

i've read somewhere a long time ago that part of what defines the "great gretsch sound" was the 5 lug toms (10" and 12") on their high end drums. all the other drums made by the other brands then were using 6 lugs.

i think gretsch was cutting costs by doing that...marketing hype i guess

jun_BALARAW · « **Reply #104 on:** September 24, 2006, 10:31:27 AM »

bwisit na bwisit nga ko nung minsan nag ayos ako ng unan sa loob ng bass drum ko.. nakita ko yung skin ko punit2 sa gilid!!!!!!! bad trip 3 months pa lang yung pinstripe ko. pero di ko pa napapalitan mahal kasi eh.. pagtyagaan ko muna (hanggang tumutunog pa) hehehe

so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??

drumster · « **Reply #105 on:** September 24, 2006, 10:53:07 AM »

Quote from: jun_BALARAW

so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??

Wag mo na lang i-tune na masyadong loose. Try a loose-to-medium tension. Para di masyadong mahirapan yung kick batter mo.

Compare it to firemen holding and stretching this round cloth (the one they use to rescue people from burning buildings; victims can jump down on it like a trampoline). If there are, say only a few firemen holding the cloth, will it be stable enough to support the jumper's weight? Now, let's add some more firemen to stabilize it...

That's my analogy on drumhead tension and number of tension lugs.

jun_BALARAW · « **Reply #106 on:** September 24, 2006, 11:24:59 AM »

Quote from: drumster

Quote from: jun_BALARAW

so wala na ba talaga pag asa?? basta 6 lugs hindi recommended na luwagan ko yung bass skin ko.??

Wag mo na lang i-tune na masyadong loose. Try a loose-to-medium tension. Para di masyadong mahirapan yung kick batter mo.

Compare it to firemen holding and stretching this round cloth (the one they use to rescue people from burning buildings; victims can jump down on it like a trampoline). If there are, say only a few firemen holding the cloth, will it be stable enough to support the jumper's weight? Now, let's add some more firemen to stabilize it...

That's my analogy on drumhead tension and number of tension lugs.

thanks mr. drumster!

nashbass · « **Reply #107 on:** September 25, 2006, 10:04:30 AM »

ok bang magpalagay ng reso heads sa toms na walang reso heads? nabili ko kasing set eh wala talagang reso heads yung toms. kung ok maglagay san po kaya ako pwedeng magpalagay and how much would it cost? salamats mga ser at master

eto na po yung pic... salamats po ulet

g0d5_g1ft · « **Reply #108 on:** September 25, 2006, 10:10:34 AM »

sir si peeves makakatulong sau jan...

paging sir peeves

peeves24 · « **Reply #109 on:** September 25, 2006, 10:27:05 AM »

^^^ ding ding ding may tama ka!

post ka muna ng pics

nashbass · « **Reply #110 on:** September 25, 2006, 10:30:11 AM »

chige chige jicturan ko mamayang gabi paguwi.. salamats master

nashbass · « **Reply #111 on:** September 26, 2006, 08:22:02 AM »

mayday! mayday!

peeves24 · « **Reply #112 on:** September 26, 2006, 10:38:14 AM »

dude concert toms talaga yung toms mo, natural yan, uso nung 80's

pwedeng lagyan ng reso heads yan, swerte mo nakakabili ng matching lugs sa lazer pati yung hoops

nashbass · « **Reply #113 on:** September 28, 2006, 07:22:20 AM »

mas ok ba kung lalagyan ng reso? lalo na kung gagamitin sa recording? salamats ulet

peeves24 · « **Reply #114 on:** September 28, 2006, 08:57:09 AM »

first things first and forgive me for being blunt

i will never use cheap drums for recording because you can only do so much to improve the sound whether it has reso or not.

not worth the money if you want to upgrade, better buy a new kit instead. lets say you'll invest in 2k to 3k for adding resonants. imo, i'll just invest that money in hardware like a better hihat stand or bass pedal.

the only thing good about concert toms is that its easy tune

toybitz · « **Reply #115 on:** September 29, 2006, 05:09:26 PM »

Quote from: Gep

Triggered na ata yung kay Tim e, kasi ang liliit ng bass sizes na gamit niya.

Dalawa ang gusto kong bass sounds:
1. Punchy bass tone, tulad nung kay Neil Peart.
2. Boomy tone, tulad kay John Mendoza ng Urbandub at Sammy Siegler ng Glassjaw.

Hi Gep..

I think its the way Tim tunes his bass drums. He used to have this tone with Pork Pie. When he started using Tama, nagiba yun tone. Although, I still like it. As I understand, Pork Pie customizes. Maybe sa specs din na ni-request ni Tim.

Nice line up!

bangbus · « **Reply #116 on:** September 29, 2006, 06:43:37 PM »

i adore Mike Cosgrove's kick and toms in anthology as well as Chad Smith kick and snare in stadium arcadium.

as personal rule I don't use internal mufflers such as pillows, blankets etc in my kick...i also toggle between a 4" ported coated reso with a dry vents on the side for that 70s sound or an unported and uncoated reso for a more modern thud; i use both with an externally muffled EMAD. I tune the kick starting with the batter by finger tightening all the rods, then 2 full 360 turn on each, then i move to the reso and approach it similarly.

a lot of literature have promoted that there is no need to use pillows if you tune your kick properly and right. i personally agree with this and i find that putting internal mufflers defeats the manufacturer's design intentions, otherwise they would have included pillows and blankets with their final products.

CHAMPorado · « **Reply #117 on:** September 29, 2006, 11:00:06 PM »

Quote from: bangbus

i adore Mike Cosgrove's kick and toms in anthology as well as Chad Smith kick and snare in stadium arcadium.

as personal rule I don't use internal mufflers such as pillows, blankets etc in my kick...i also toggle between a 4" ported coated reso with a dry vents on the side for that 70s sound or an unported and uncoated reso for a more modern thud; i use both with an externally muffled EMAD. I tune the kick starting with the batter by finger tightening all the rods, then 2 full 360 turn on each, then i move to the reso and approach it similarly.

i think we have the same taste when it comes to bass sound and the exactly the same way of tuning the bass drums although i dont make use of any internal and external muffling aids. i use powerstroke 4 for batter and coated for the resonant side with no holes.

Quote from: bangbus

a lot of literature have promoted that there is no need to use pillows if you tune your kick properly and right. i personally agree with this and i find that putting internal mufflers defeats the manufacturer's design intentions, otherwise they would have included pillows and blankets with their final products.

very well said mr.bangbus, patience in tuning is definitely the way to go, welcome to zero pillows-zero mufflers club.

wipeout · « **Reply #118 on:** October 01, 2006, 01:56:33 PM »

For me I favored a single ply batter with internal muffling ring or the Evans EMAD which I am using right now. For the resonant side, same with internal muffling. No pillows or any other muffling inside the drum. Both are tensioned loose to medium. With that head combination i achieved a punchy and boomy sound on a 20" kick.

autoexec · « **Reply #119 on:** October 01, 2006, 05:35:04 PM »

ask ko lang yung wet tuning ba or tig accents kelangan din nun ng mga mufflers such as blankets, pillows, etc.?

Diadem · « **Reply #120 on:** October 02, 2006, 12:03:41 PM »

kikoman · « **Reply #121 on:** October 25, 2006, 11:43:19 PM »

Im looking for someone to tune my drumset..

Zabarte, Novaliches area.. P200 plus merienda TY
0922-3304281 kiko

pmack · « **Reply #122 on:** October 26, 2006, 08:19:38 AM »

hehehehe...
kikoman, you can really try tuning it yourself.
i doubt na meron dito na may time makapunta jan para mag-tune ng drums.

i know this has been posted before, pero ito:
http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/
it's the drum tuning bible.
i-print mo, ilagay sa folder, basahin mo lagi and trust me, matututo kang magtono.
of course, as with everything, tyaga lang and practice your tuning every once in a while pag may time ka.

peace!

jpmb · « **Reply #123 on:** October 26, 2006, 10:19:43 AM »

vinci rodriguez of the drumshop does tuning services..i just dont know how much he charge..mismo pumalo yan si pareng vinci bro..

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manson · « **Reply #124 on:** October 26, 2006, 03:57:25 PM »

Or does anyone offer tuning seminars? with demonstration and theory, basically EVERYTHING you need to know about tuning.

that would help alot!

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