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Offline jofel

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2012, 10:17:09 PM »
Sir, for me your reference would be kung ano ang set-up mo. If you use stereo then 8 ohms load mo, that woul be your reference. For examaple, MA-1000, ang wattage nya is 400 watts per channel if 8 ohms ang load mo, so ang total is 800 watts then multiple mo pa nang 2.
Ganun po ba sir?

Na try kase namin kanina yung sound system using the 1000VA AVR, supplying power to an MA-1000, MA-2400, MA-3000, Driverack PA+, Kevler Power Conditioner, and Peavey PV 321EQ, driving 2 pieces SRX 725 clones, 2 pieces W-BOX with P Audio 18" (di ko alam power.. hehe), and 2 EVP R12s, playing non-stop music (halo-halo ang genre, from hip-hop to metal) from 4:30PM to 7:30 PM, ok naman sya.

So, [(2x400=800) + (2x1500=3000) + (2x1600=3200)] x 2 = 14,000 watts. Lagpas po ng 10,000 watts.

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2012, 11:19:30 AM »
Ganun po ba sir?

Na try kase namin kanina yung sound system using the 1000VA AVR, supplying power to an MA-1000, MA-2400, MA-3000, Driverack PA+, Kevler Power Conditioner, and Peavey PV 321EQ, driving 2 pieces SRX 725 clones, 2 pieces W-BOX with P Audio 18" (di ko alam power.. hehe), and 2 EVP R12s, playing non-stop music (halo-halo ang genre, from hip-hop to metal) from 4:30PM to 7:30 PM, ok naman sya.

So, [(2x400=800) + (2x1500=3000) + (2x1600=3200)] x 2 = 14,000 watts. Lagpas po ng 10,000 watts.

Yung computation is on the assumption na maximum ang ibinuga nang mga amps at tama ang inilagay na specification sa amps. Assuming tama ang computation, 14,000 watts ang total na load, gagani pa rin ang AVR kasi hindi naman continous yan na 14,000 watts, kaso lang ma stress ang AVR. Mag trip ang AVR pag continous ang overload, depende sa setting nang protection nang AVR. 

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2012, 12:19:30 PM »
Yung computation is on the assumption na maximum ang ibinuga nang mga amps at tama ang inilagay na specification sa amps. Assuming tama ang computation, 14,000 watts ang total na load, gagani pa rin ang AVR kasi hindi naman continous yan na 14,000 watts, kaso lang ma stress ang AVR. Mag trip ang AVR pag continous ang overload, depende sa setting nang protection nang AVR.
So hindi po advisable yang setup ko sir? Ano kaya ibang options ko sir?
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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2012, 12:45:20 PM »
So hindi po advisable yang setup ko sir? Ano kaya ibang options ko sir?

My opinion:

1) Buy another 10KVA AVR
2) Load some of the equipments especially yung mamahalin sa AVR, yong iba hindi na dadaan sa AVR.
3) Load mo lahat sa AVR but be prepared pag nag trip during the event

Offline jofel

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2012, 03:25:26 PM »
So hindi po advisable yang setup ko sir? Ano kaya ibang options ko sir?
Sorry, ibang account nagamit ko, sa friend ko yun, di nya na logout, nag rent sya dito sa shop namin. Hehehe!  :idea:



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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2012, 03:27:38 PM »
My opinion:

1) Buy another 10KVA AVR
2) Load some of the equipments especially yung mamahalin sa AVR, yong iba hindi na dadaan sa AVR.
3) Load mo lahat sa AVR but be prepared pag nag trip during the event

Nakakatakot naman yan sir!  :-o

Ang mahal pa naman ng AVR na yan, 16k petot.  :cry:

Offline apeng

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2012, 03:54:32 PM »
Nakakatakot naman yan sir!  :-o

Ang mahal pa naman ng AVR na yan, 16k petot.  :cry:

ser anung AVR yan? tska saan mo nabili?  salamat!

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2012, 04:39:37 PM »
question? pag may power conditioner ka ba like american audio pdp-850 pwede na hindi ka dumaan sa avr? thanks
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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2012, 05:13:44 PM »
My opinion:

1) Buy another 10KVA AVR
2) Load some of the equipments especially yung mamahalin sa AVR, yong iba hindi na dadaan sa AVR.
3) Load mo lahat sa AVR but be prepared pag nag trip during the event

+1 Bos.  Kung iisa lagi AVR mo, kung nalagay sa alanganin yan, shutdown lahat gamit mo  :roll:
« Last Edit: June 20, 2012, 05:16:04 PM by tjlimjoco »

Offline jofel

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2012, 05:29:09 PM »
ser anung AVR yan? tska saan mo nabili?  salamat!
Nissin 10kVA Servo Type AVR po sir. Sa Harmanson Electronics, Cebu City ko po nabili yun.

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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2012, 05:31:35 PM »
question? pag may power conditioner ka ba like american audio pdp-850 pwede na hindi ka dumaan sa avr? thanks
Di na po sir, parang AVR na rin po ang power conditioner.

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2012, 05:34:36 PM »
My opinion:

1) Buy another 10KVA AVR
2) Load some of the equipments especially yung mamahalin sa AVR, yong iba hindi na dadaan sa AVR.
3) Load mo lahat sa AVR but be prepared pag nag trip during the event
I think I'll buy na lang siguro one more AVR, pero yung 5KVA na lang siguro, at yung di na kailangan nang AVR, di ko na idadaan sa AVR.

Thanks sa tips sir!

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2012, 06:04:03 PM »
question? pag may power conditioner ka ba like american audio pdp-850 pwede na hindi ka dumaan sa avr? thanks

Mag kaiba ang dalawa, ang AVR like yung servo type ni regulate niya ang voltage. Example pag nag low voltage or high voltage, ang ilalabas ni AVR yung tamang voltage lang. Si power conditioner naman hindi kaya ang magagawa ni AVR. Ang ginagawa naman ni power conditioner pini filter nya ang voltage para mawala ang mga interference or mga voltage spike, hindi ito kaya ni AVR. Kung ako, pwede na walang power conditioner kaysa walang AVR.

Offline jofel

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« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2012, 06:29:41 PM »
Mag kaiba ang dalawa, ang AVR like yung servo type ni regulate niya ang voltage. Example pag nag low voltage or high voltage, ang ilalabas ni AVR yung tamang voltage lang. Si power conditioner naman hindi kaya ang magagawa ni AVR. Ang ginagawa naman ni power conditioner pini filter nya ang voltage para mawala ang mga interference or mga voltage spike, hindi ito kaya ni AVR. Kung ako, pwede na walang power conditioner kaysa walang AVR.
Salamat sa correction sir! And sorry for the misinformation.

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2012, 06:30:18 PM »
question? pag may power conditioner ka ba like american audio pdp-850 pwede na hindi ka dumaan sa avr? thanks

Pang signal processors lang ang power conditioner bos.  Pero kung sa power amps at board, mas maigi idaan pa sa AVR  :-)

Offline royalletones

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« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2012, 07:40:56 PM »
@tjlimjoco - ahh. salamat sir. dami ko pa pala talagang kailangan malaman para mag start ng ganitong business
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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2012, 08:50:00 PM »
Pang signal processors lang ang power conditioner bos.  Pero kung sa power amps at board, mas maigi idaan pa sa AVR  :-)
Yung ginawa namin kahapon, idinaan pa namin sa AVR yung power conditioner. Hehehe! :-D

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« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2012, 08:55:31 AM »
Yung ginawa namin kahapon, idinaan pa namin sa AVR yung power conditioner. Hehehe! :-D

Ok din naman yan bos  :)

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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2012, 09:16:02 AM »
Ok din naman yan bos  :)
Thanks sa tip sir!

Hoo! Excited at anxious na ako sa first gig namin bukas!  :idea:

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2012, 10:00:47 AM »
Sir Jofel wag nissin  undersize yan ang liit ng 10kv , yaden hanapin mo mas malaki parehas 10kv pero malaki

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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2012, 10:09:53 AM »
Sir Jofel wag nissin  undersize yan ang liit ng 10kv , yaden hanapin mo mas malaki parehas 10kv pero malaki
Ano po ibig nyo sabihin maliit ang nissin? Maliit yung physical size nya sir? Sino po supplier ng Yaden? TIA po!

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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2012, 02:56:19 PM »
Ano po ibig nyo sabihin maliit ang nissin? Maliit yung physical size nya sir? Sino po supplier ng Yaden? TIA po!
Inside outside maliit ang nissin kay harmanson mayroon din silang yaden sa manila metrotech mayron din

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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2012, 08:47:57 PM »
Inside outside maliit ang nissin kay harmanson mayroon din silang yaden sa manila metrotech mayron din
Thanks sir!

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2012, 08:06:18 AM »
Magandang araw mga Sirs, noob lang po ako and I am just starting up a sound system rental business, at tanong ko lang po kung sapat na ba ang isang 10,000 Watts Nissin Servo Type AVR na magsupply sa lahat ng equipment ko:

1 pc Crown LPS 800 running the highs of the 2 pcs SRX 725 clones when in bi-amp mode
1 pc M Audio MA-1000 running 2 pcs Wharfedale EVP-R12 Speakers
1 pc M Audio MA-2400 running 2 pcs SRX 725 clones
1 pc M Audio MA-3000 running 2 pcs w-boxes with P-Audio 18" (Don't know the exact model)
1 pcKevler PCS-208 Power Conditioner/Sequencer
1 pc Soundcraft MFXI-20 Mixer
1 pc DBX Driverack PA +
1 pc Peavey PV 231EQ
1 pc BBE 882i Sonic Maximizer
1 pc DBX 266x Compressor
8 pcs 10mm (177) LED Par Cans
1 pc Fog Machine (Forgot the specs)
1 pc Laney RB9 Amp Head (300watts) driving the 1 pc Laney RB410 (4x10 cab)
1 pc Laney AH100
1 pc Marshall MG100HFX Amp Head (100watts) driving the 1 pc MG412 (4x12 cab)
1 pc Marshall V65R Amp (65watts)

Any recommendations or suggestions will be highly appreciated. TIA po!


Hi sir add ninyo po lahat ng power consumption (W=watts) ng lahat ng equipment ninyo.. For a 10000W or 10KW:
  • 3333.33 Watts ► safest po ito if all the equipment's power consumption summed up into this
  • not exceeding 5000 Watts po para may headroom

Kung hindi naman po lumampas sa 5000 Watts ang total power consumption (W=watts) ng lahat ng equipment ninyo then you must be A OK po!

► Every outlets po sana na sinasaksakan ng equipments is may FUSE PROTECTION
► ISOLATION TRANSFORMER ► especially sa mga equipment na SMPS (switchmode power supply) or yun mga walang power transformer.. Wala pong problema sa voltahe SMPS can handle swinging voltages, yun swinging current dun sila madalas nadadale.. pag saksak mo ng plug nila sa outlet kumikislap agad, lakas ng IN-RUSH CURRENT na ini-introduce nila..
► Kung current consumption (A or mA) ang naka-label instead of Watts, you can do this simple equation ► W = Volts (V) x Ampere (A)
► I am guessing that 10KW has a large industrial type line conditioner.. If not try mo sir humanap po na kaya ng 10KW or higher..


-Emil

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Re: Need Help on Supplying Power to My Sound System Equipment
« Reply #49 on: June 29, 2012, 09:56:11 AM »

Hi sir add ninyo po lahat ng power consumption (W=watts) ng lahat ng equipment ninyo.. For a 10000W or 10KW:
  • 3333.33 Watts ► safest po ito if all the equipment's power consumption summed up into this
  • not exceeding 5000 Watts po para may headroom

Kung hindi naman po lumampas sa 5000 Watts ang total power consumption (W=watts) ng lahat ng equipment ninyo then you must be A OK po!

► Every outlets po sana na sinasaksakan ng equipments is may FUSE PROTECTION
► ISOLATION TRANSFORMER ► especially sa mga equipment na SMPS (switchmode power supply) or yun mga walang power transformer.. Wala pong problema sa voltahe SMPS can handle swinging voltages, yun swinging current dun sila madalas nadadale.. pag saksak mo ng plug nila sa outlet kumikislap agad, lakas ng IN-RUSH CURRENT na ini-introduce nila..
► Kung current consumption (A or mA) ang naka-label instead of Watts, you can do this simple equation ► W = Volts (V) x Ampere (A)
► I am guessing that 10KW has a large industrial type line conditioner.. If not try mo sir humanap po na kaya ng 10KW or higher..


-Emil
Thank you so much for the tips sir! Andami kong bagong natutunan though medyo nosebleed ako sa ibang terms. Hehe! Marami pa rin pala akong dapat matutunan.

Thank sir Emil for sharing your knowledge unselfishly!