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Offline junelle

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PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« on: February 11, 2008, 03:28:19 PM »
Gusto ko lang itanong kung meron bang software na multi-effects processor??
yun tipong isasaksak ko na lang yung guitar sa mic in ng CPU?
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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 07:52:09 PM »
It can be done with the right software such as NI Guitar Rig or Amplitube plus a suitable guitar interface such as M-Audio's Jamlab or Line6 Toneport.
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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 11:41:46 PM »
Ano po yung M-Audio's Jamlab or Line6 Toneport?? Sound card ba yun?
San kaya makakbili nun at magkano po kaya?
Salamat sir sa pagreply.. :-D
« Last Edit: February 11, 2008, 11:44:24 PM by junelle »

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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 12:17:11 AM »
Ano po yung M-Audio's Jamlab or Line6 Toneport?? Sound card ba yun?
San kaya makakbili nun at magkano po kaya?
Salamat sir sa pagreply.. :-D

mmmm. sana may magcorrect sakin kung mali ako (pero sigurado meron jan  :-D )

hindi yata xa pwedeng maclassify as soundcard. kasi hindi YATA pwede mag-out ng audio na galing sa PC to JAMlab or TOneport to speakers. pero pwede mo yata marinig galing sa jamlab or toneport ung guitar mo habang tinutugtog mo siya.

ang purpose ng dalawang interface na yun ay para gayahin ang totoong tunog ng guitar na galing sa guitar amp na nasa totoong recording studio. kumbaga, kunwari, nagrerecording ka sa totoong recording studio. pwede ka pumili ng mga effects.
at kunwari high-end ung amp na gamit mo.  :-D

sa question mo kung pwede ba gamitin ang PC para maglagay ng effects.
aba pwedeng pwede bossing! tama tulad ng sabi ni sir KIT, kailangan mo ng software. sa Sonar 6 meron non. sorry, sonar6 lang ang nagagamit ko na sofware eh! hehe goodluck!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2008, 12:20:40 AM by LouieAzcona »

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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 12:47:44 AM »
mmmm. sana may magcorrect sakin kung mali ako (pero sigurado meron jan  :-D )

hindi yata xa pwedeng maclassify as soundcard. kasi hindi YATA pwede mag-out ng audio na galing sa PC to JAMlab or TOneport to speakers. pero pwede mo yata marinig galing sa jamlab or toneport ung guitar mo habang tinutugtog mo siya.


"Soundcard" are always refers to Audio Interface that is being installed in the PCI Slot. Peripheral Component Interconnect or PCI Standard (in practice almost always shortened to PCI), specifies a computer bus for attaching peripheral devices to a computer motherboard. These devices can take any one of the following forms:

* An integrated circuit fitted onto the motherboard itself, called a planar device in the PCI specification.
* An expansion card that fits into a socket or for an instance an Audio Interface or so we call as "Sound Card

Jamlab or Toneport are still considered as Audio Interface. "soundcard" in laymans terms



sa question mo kung pwede ba gamitin ang PC para maglagay ng effects.
aba pwedeng pwede bossing! tama tulad ng sabi ni sir KIT, kailangan mo ng software. sa Sonar 6 meron non. sorry, sonar6 lang ang nagagamit ko na sofware eh! hehe goodluck!


Boss Kit didnt mention anything that you need to run Sonar to run Amplitube or GR2 in a Live application


@Junelle
Yes... you can use your computer as multi effects with these Applications. Amplitube or NI GR2. They have Standalone programs that you can run and do record or even play your guitar live. But I tell you... it'll cost you! coz you need a high-end pc or laptop to avoid latency especially if you'll use it in a live application.

One more good thing about these applications is you can also buy a controller (foot pedals) for you to control the application.



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AMPLITUBE



« Last Edit: February 12, 2008, 02:14:57 AM by xjepoyx »
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 11:33:25 AM »
Both the Jamlab and Toneport have audio outputs allowing you to hear the results of your guitar noodling. The only exception is that most of the time, the outputs are in 1/8" stereo mostly for headphones, but these can drive the line inputs of a preamplifier.

Also, both offer standalone effects racks. The Jamlab features GT Player Express which has amp and fx simulations while the Toneport features Gear Box which derives it's fx from the Pod.

Neither require Sonar or Cubase in order to run, however, if you intend to record your noodlings, you will need some form of DAW software. Audacity is the most common freeware around if you don't want to shell out big bucks for Sonar just yet.

@junelle: try to research as much as possible; a lot of information exists if you just google around. As I just recently read in one article, "don't rely too much on forums as a lot of disinformation can be spread through misinformation", then the next paragraph did a 180 and said, "rely on forums to give you valuable user information". Basically, it means that actual users of the product are the best source of information. This means that there may be users of Jamlabs and Toneports in the GC forums... trying asking them about their experiences with the actual products.
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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 11:27:57 PM »

Boss Kit didnt mention anything that you need to run Sonar to run Amplitube or GR2 in a Live application


di ko din naman po sinabi.
sabi ko sa sonar meron "nun"
meaning plug in para sa effects ng guitars.

i didnt say you need to run sonar to run amplitube

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 11:32:32 PM »
mali kayong lahat! wahahahahaha

sa totoo lang masarap kumain!


ay teka

mali pala tong pinostan ko

kala ko anything goes

sorry sir kit :D

wag mo problemahin ang problema, hayaan mong problema mamroblema sayo!!!!!

Pag ang lason ba na-expire lason parin?

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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2008, 11:37:39 PM »
ang cute mo talaga sammy!

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 11:48:41 PM »
di ko din naman po sinabi.
sabi ko sa sonar meron "nun"
meaning plug in para sa effects ng guitars.

i didnt say you need to run sonar to run amplitube

OK



ang purpose ng dalawang interface na yun ay para gayahin ang totoong tunog ng guitar na galing sa guitar amp na nasa totoong recording studio. kumbaga, kunwari, nagrerecording ka sa totoong recording studio. pwede ka pumili ng mga effects.
at kunwari high-end ung amp na gamit mo.  :-D

sa question mo kung pwede ba gamitin ang PC para maglagay ng effects.
aba pwedeng pwede bossing! tama tulad ng sabi ni sir KIT, kailangan mo ng software. sa Sonar 6 meron non. sorry, sonar6 lang ang nagagamit ko na sofware eh! hehe goodluck!


« Last Edit: February 12, 2008, 11:54:39 PM by xjepoyx »
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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2008, 11:53:06 PM »
OK


tama si sir kit kailangan mo ng software.(period)
ung next statement, ibang topic na. gusto ko lang sabihin, na meron sa sonar6 ng effects para sa guitars niya.

sorry kung may mga nahirapan umintindi.

wag na po natin lituhin ang thread starter. kailangan niya ng tulong eh. nilagay ko lang po ung konting alam ko mister addictus.





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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2008, 11:57:33 PM »
wag na po natin lituhin ang thread starter.

We're or Im actually making things easy for the thread starter to understand what he really "needs" because your post is somewhat misleading.

Corrected most of the false information you gave.



nilagay ko lang po ung konting alam ko mister addictus.

i rest my case




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« Last Edit: February 13, 2008, 12:06:14 AM by xjepoyx »
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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2008, 01:38:50 AM »
Whoa! Let's keep cool heads here. We are all here to learn and also teach what we know. I myself still keep on learning new things and I am not averse to sharing my knowledge, but there is one thing we all should have in common: having a good ear and the sense to use it properly.

Let's tone down the rhetoric... we are all friends here, regardless. Ok?
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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2008, 02:18:01 AM »
Mga sir, relax lang tayo.. :-D
BTW, maraming maraming salamat sa mga info. I-update ko nalang kayo kung ano na nangyari.. :-)

Tanong ulit..Hehehe
Yun bang Sonar 6 na software wala na bag kailangan na interface??
pasensiya na po ha.. Beginner here.. Nahiya na tuloy ako. :oops:
Salamat po sa inyong lahat.. :-D
PEACE! :wink:

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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2008, 02:56:27 AM »
We were all beginners once.

Sonar is just software, and like any other audio sequencing software, it relies on some form of soundcard to be able to work. Soundcard is more of a generic term but is becoming inaccurate since most computers now come with onboard sound. This onboard sound CAN work with Sonar (and usually any other DAW software), but you often lose functionality, advanced features and sound quality by using onboard audio.
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2008, 03:31:01 AM »
Mga sir, relax lang tayo.. :-D
BTW, maraming maraming salamat sa mga info. I-update ko nalang kayo kung ano na nangyari.. :-)

Tanong ulit..Hehehe
Yun bang Sonar 6 na software wala na bag kailangan na interface??
pasensiya na po ha.. Beginner here.. Nahiya na tuloy ako. :oops:
Salamat po sa inyong lahat.. :-D
PEACE! :wink:

Audio Interface is really what you need before you use any audio application either for recording or like the one you need for live application. Like what i said in my previous post. You dont need Sonar for the application if you're going to use your pc as a guitar multi-effects coz thats another expenses for you.

Sonar 7 is roughly $700 and i guess you dont want to cash out that kind of amount. Guitar Rig2 is around $250.

But to tell you frankly bro... Its cheaper to buy a 2nd hand multi-effects pedal than using a pc.

* How much is a 2nd hand Korg AX1500G? roughly 7k pesos
* How much is a PC/Laptop with a good Interface 30 to 50K pesos
* How much is NI GR? between 200 - 500 USD if you want the controller

Hope this helps.

Note: dont bother to ask about "pirated" software coz we dont support it here :D.


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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2008, 03:33:34 AM »
uu nga naman i love you all!
wag mo problemahin ang problema, hayaan mong problema mamroblema sayo!!!!!

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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2008, 03:36:15 AM »
Mga sir, relax lang tayo.. :-D
BTW, maraming maraming salamat sa mga info. I-update ko nalang kayo kung ano na nangyari.. :-)

Tanong ulit..Hehehe
Yun bang Sonar 6 na software wala na bag kailangan na interface??
pasensiya na po ha.. Beginner here.. Nahiya na tuloy ako. :oops:
Salamat po sa inyong lahat.. :-D
PEACE! :wink:

Audio Interface is really what you need before you use any audio application either for recording or like the one you need for live application. Like what i said in my previous post. You dont need Sonar for the application if you're going to use your pc as a guitar multi-effects coz thats another expenses for you.

Sonar 7 is roughly $700 and i guess you dont want to cash out that kind of amount. Guitar Rig2 is around $250.

But to tell you frankly bro... Its cheaper to buy a 2nd hand multi-effects pedal than using a pc.

* How much is a 2nd hand Korg AX1500G? roughly 7k pesos
* How much is a PC/Laptop with a good Interface 30 to 50K pesos
* How much is NI GR? between 200 - 500 USD if you want the controller

Hope this helps.

Note: dont bother to ask about "pirated" software coz we dont support it here :D.


PEACE!
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Re: PC as Multi-Effects? Help!
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2008, 05:58:45 AM »
..kung gagamitin mo ng Live, get pedals as posted above, kung recording pwede din yung pedals, or record lean tapos apply ng effects na lang afterwards.

Pero parang alam ko ano gusto mo mangyari. You can try Amplitube, kaso mataas ang latency, kelangan mo din ng medyo maganda gandang soundcard.. pero meron pang isa Guitar FX yata yun.. pwede na kung pang jam jam lang sa bahay..ü Not that great pero nakakatuwa na din ng konti..

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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2008, 06:25:33 AM »

Pero parang alam ko ano gusto mo mangyari. You can try Amplitube, kaso mataas ang latency, kelangan mo din ng medyo maganda gandang soundcard..

Both NIGR and IK Amplitube is really prone to latency "If" you dont have a good pc and a good soundcard.

pwede na kung pang jam jam lang sa bahay..ü Not that great pero nakakatuwa na din ng konti..

Believe it or not... I have clients and good guitar players who recorded at our studio who loves using Amplitube instead of setting up amps and their pedal rigs. :D

BTW Welcome to MTPA Forums Raki :D
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2008, 06:35:39 AM »

Believe it or not... I have clients and good guitar players who recorded at our studio who loves using Amplitube instead of setting up amps and their pedal rigs. :D


..i loved Apmplitube din, panget nga lang soundcard ko so yun parang nasa 'valley' ako.. ume-echo.. hehe.. pero okay na plugin sa cool edit..ü

..yung medyo pwede na na sinasabi ko sir na pang jam-jam sa bahay.. yung Guitar FX.. panget eh.. pero pwede na, almost no latency sa SC ko.. :-D

..pero wala talagang tatalo sa actual na gear.

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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2008, 11:52:49 AM »
..i loved Apmplitube din, panget nga lang soundcard ko so yun parang nasa 'valley' ako.. ume-echo.. hehe.. pero okay na plugin sa cool edit..ü

Baka naka "What-you-hear" ang recording input mo. Yang "valley" sound mo, ibig sabihin naghahalo ang input signal sa recorded na playback. Dahil may konting delay ang playback, nagkakaroon ng konting cancellation kaya ganun.

I-select mo lang ang line in at gumamit ka ng preamp para sa gitara mo. Yung mga preamp na may DI function tulad ng ART TubeMP o kahit Behri MIC200, pwede na.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2008, 09:44:16 PM »
Mga sir, sinubukan ko na yung sinasabi nyo na Amplitube. Ang problema eh ayaw gumana nung mga effects? Mali kaya yung mga configuration ko? Sa line in ko sinalpak yung jack galing sa guitar tpos nung sinubukan ko na ilagay sa mic, ayun naririnig ko na yung mga effetcs pero ang dumi ng tunog tapos parang delayed yung tunog. Sound card ko yung onboard lang.

Pati yung Guitar Rig sinubukan ko rin tapos ganon din yung nagyari. Ano kaya problema mga sir?? :?

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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2008, 10:13:38 PM »
Ano kaya problema mga sir?? :?

Soundcard.
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2008, 04:10:48 PM »
Ah ok. thanx sir KitC..