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Title: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 09, 2010, 11:05:13 PM
share ko lang ang latest p-audio sd 18el 18" 1000w woofer ko . . .  

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00199.jpg)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00201.jpg)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00211.jpg)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00209.jpg)

almost 12" ang diameter ng magnet. . .  :evil:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00208.jpg)



Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on January 10, 2010, 08:56:56 AM
grabe sir ito. yung TNT ko sabi sakin 1000-1500 watts daw pero hindi ganito cya kalaki. bka nga 600 watts lang yung!
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: pongv on January 10, 2010, 11:16:26 AM
Wow! Ganda nito sir!
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 10, 2010, 11:41:14 AM
i tried the raon 18" speakers before. exaggerated ang specs!  they declare 1000w but the over-all structure of the speaker is at most 500w or 600w only. only the p-audio speakers offer true power rating and the best sound output.  this is indeed a very good investment.  :wink:
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: ronaldium on January 10, 2010, 06:14:36 PM
Ganda naman niyan mga tsong!!!
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 11, 2010, 01:57:57 PM
it's now 16thou.  although my friend bought the c-18elf model. 800w. awesome bass din. mas mura yung nasa 12200 only :-D
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on January 13, 2010, 04:04:36 PM
wat about the 18" 650 watts model of p.audio sir? yung kasi lagi gnagamit ng mga rental groups kasi.  natry nyo na ba ito? may update ka sa price? tnx.
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: eirol_99 on January 13, 2010, 06:27:46 PM
hindi ba field replaceable ang basket nyan sir? like yung challenger series nila naka bolt ang magnet,, minsan kasi lalo na pag ganyan malalaki magnet eh natatangal ang back plate,, kaya maganda if nakascrew or bolt
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 14, 2010, 01:59:23 PM
hindi ba field replaceable ang basket nyan sir? like yung challenger series nila naka bolt ang magnet,, minsan kasi lalo na pag ganyan malalaki magnet eh natatangal ang back plate,, kaya maganda if nakascrew or bolt

the sd 18el looks indestructable hehehe  :-D
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: meinldrummer on January 14, 2010, 11:57:15 PM
ok yan ah. got myself a subzero pero lexus ang laman 1000w rms. OT

Mostly sa raon pag sinabi 1000W, peak pala ibig nila sabihin. Katwiran nila yun ang tanong eh? Dapat tanong mo rin kung peak ba yun. Sasagot naman silang oo peak yun.

San mo nabili P audio sir?
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 15, 2010, 12:15:03 PM
ok yan ah. got myself a subzero pero lexus ang laman 1000w rms. OT

Mostly sa raon pag sinabi 1000W, peak pala ibig nila sabihin. Katwiran nila yun ang tanong eh? Dapat tanong mo rin kung peak ba yun. Sasagot naman silang oo peak yun.

San mo nabili P audio sir?

that's the usual reply you get in raon   :roll:

p-audio's published power ratings are real and accurate.  you get what you are looking for.

i bought my sd 18el from xstatic.  you can call tofi or mon at 02-3854822, 09228067041/14.

hope this helps.  :-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on January 15, 2010, 01:37:58 PM
Boz nakita mo na ang voice coil nto? Anu kaya ang size at price? Tnx.
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 19, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
Boz nakita mo na ang voice coil nto? Anu kaya ang size at price? Tnx.

just got the vcoil.  it's 2thou for a 5-inch in&out 1000 watts aluminum voice coil.  not bad  :roll:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/sd18el_vcoil.jpg)

'in&out' voice coil design. whoooo . . .

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/inout.jpg)

5-inch 1000 watts powerhouse . . .

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/5inch.jpg)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: senti on January 23, 2010, 11:10:04 AM
it's now 16thou.  although my friend bought the c-18elf model. 800w. awesome bass din. mas mura yung nasa 12200 only :-D


Tsong, for the same price, puede ka rin nakabili ng RCF L18P300 na woofer. 

ito yung woofer na ginagamit ng Martin Audio and EAW sa mga Subwoofer nila.

kaya ito ginagamit ng PMX and RSL sa mga subs nila
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: bats828 on January 23, 2010, 11:37:23 AM
mga tol i'm a newbie here. hingin ko lang sana opinion niyo. ano bang magandang sub, yung powered o hindi? i'm planning to buy the B3 sigma series na 18" powered sub. althogh budget ko is good for 1 sub muna. pero halos yung nakikita kong ginagamit na sub ng mga nagpaparent ng sounds ay yung malalaking box. i don't even know how to differentiate a w box, sa subscope or  el 36 or anything. kaya medyo nalilito ako. i just want to have my own sub pero di ko alam kung anong mas maganda. although gusto kong nakikita yung malalaking sub. they look tough. hope matulungan niyo ko. thanks in advance
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 26, 2010, 01:30:23 PM

Tsong, for the same price, puede ka rin nakabili ng RCF L18P300 na woofer. 

ito yung woofer na ginagamit ng Martin Audio and EAW sa mga Subwoofer nila.

kaya ito ginagamit ng PMX and RSL sa mga subs nila

rcf is a proven brand but i would still prefer a 'ribbed' cone design for my woofers rather than a 'plain/flat' cone assembly.  the 'ribbed' cone is more durable and produces deeper and rounder bass (in my observation).

btw,  how much is the L18 P300 and where can you buy one?  :-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: senti on January 26, 2010, 02:07:44 PM
rcf is a proven brand but i would still prefer a 'ribbed' cone design for my woofers rather than a 'plain/flat' cone assembly.  the 'ribbed' cone is more durable and produces deeper and rounder bass (in my observation).

btw,  how much is the L18 P300 and where can you buy one?  :-)


Nainquire ko yan nung December sa TMS sa Cubao bung naghahanap ako din ng pampalit sa subwoofer ko.
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on January 27, 2010, 03:17:07 PM
rcf is a proven brand but i would still prefer a 'ribbed' cone design for my woofers rather than a 'plain/flat' cone assembly.  the 'ribbed' cone is more durable and produces deeper and rounder bass (in my observation).

btw,  how much is the L18 P300 and where can you buy one?  :-)

Ganyan din ang naging problema ko sa Neusch PD1850 ko dati. "Creasing" daw ang tawag kapag nagkakalinya o nagkaka-wrinkle yung cone.  Usually sa mga flat cone design madalas nangyayari ito.  Mas matibay daw talaga kapag "ribbed" yung cone ng woofer.  :-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on January 28, 2010, 03:00:21 PM
Ganyan din ang naging problema ko sa Neusch PD1850 ko dati. "Creasing" daw ang tawag kapag nagkakalinya o nagkaka-wrinkle yung cone.  Usually sa mga flat cone design madalas nangyayari ito.  Mas matibay daw talaga kapag "ribbed" yung cone ng woofer.  :-)

that's one reason why the Peavey black widow1505 (350w) and the EV dl18 (400w) have limited power handling capacity.  their structural design (in the cone) is not made primarily for low frequency reproduction.  flat/plain cone design is better off for the 'musical instruments' section and not for your subs.  :mrgreen:

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/bw1505-8dt.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/ev_dl18mt.jpg)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: barracks01 on January 30, 2010, 06:56:32 AM
i experience how the earthshaking sound of p-audio sd 18el is, ang best friend ko sa iloilo mayron ganito 6 pcs nakalagay sa subzero driven by 3 crell CA25, grabe as in grabe. kung baga kay boss jef "beast nga talaga"
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: eirol_99 on January 30, 2010, 08:14:54 AM
i experience how the earthshaking sound of p-audio sd 18el is, ang best friend ko sa iloilo mayron ganito 6 pcs nakalagay sa subzero driven by 3 crell CA25, grabe as in grabe. kung baga kay boss jef "beast nga talaga"

kakainggit,,, makapag ipon na ng pambili,, hehehe
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on February 02, 2010, 03:30:16 PM
i experience how the earthshaking sound of p-audio sd 18el is, ang best friend ko sa iloilo mayron ganito 6 pcs nakalagay sa subzero driven by 3 crell CA25, grabe as in grabe. kung baga kay boss jef "beast nga talaga"

I just usually use '2 per side' of my sd 18el installed on wsx18 subs.  But my amp is the crown MA3600vz  :evil:. (take note na kahit luma na unmatched pa din ang power output ng crown sa subs hehehe)

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/3600vz.jpg)


Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Powermix on February 04, 2010, 07:16:20 AM
agree ako jan sir!
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: lowriderthug on February 04, 2010, 08:06:44 AM

cant afford kami for this amp,

anong ibang amp ang match for this?
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on February 04, 2010, 08:13:12 AM
that's why i was convinced to invest on the P-Audio SD 18el since it is always 'a' recommended speaker in speakerplans.com along with the Void V18, PD1850, B&C 18TBX, 18sound, etc.  it's the only asian-made speaker that made breakthrough in Europe as well as in the US.   :evil:
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on February 04, 2010, 08:14:28 AM
cant afford kami for this amp,

anong ibang amp ang match for this?

hmmm. let's just make a 'new topic' on this.  :-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: eirol_99 on February 04, 2010, 08:17:19 AM
cant afford kami for this amp,

anong ibang amp ang match for this?

crell ca 20.. kayang kaya nya yan i-drive sir
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: barracks01 on February 04, 2010, 08:25:41 AM
cant afford kami for this amp,

anong ibang amp ang match for this?


crell CA25 bro ganyan gamit ng friend ko. kailangan kasi malakas ang power ng amp mo or else di mo mapalabas ang magandang performance ng speaker na yan.
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: JVP on March 01, 2010, 11:02:17 PM

crell CA25 bro ganyan gamit ng friend ko. kailangan kasi malakas ang power ng amp mo or else di mo mapalabas ang magandang performance ng speaker na yan.
HOW MUCH PO BA CRELL  CA25 NGAUN
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on March 02, 2010, 06:39:55 AM
HOW MUCH PO BA CRELL  CA25 NGAUN

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,175175.0.html
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on April 05, 2010, 05:01:11 PM
courtesy of my friend...

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00656.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00655.jpg)
(left) precision device pd1850 800w and (right) p-audio sd 18el 1000w

pd1850 800w p31750

sd 18el 1000w p16000
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: stoney73 on April 05, 2010, 08:11:23 PM
courtesy of my friend...

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00656.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00655.jpg)
(left) precision device pd1850 800w and (right) p-audio sd 18el 1000w

pd1850 800w p31750

sd 18el 1000w p16000


Battle of the Beast?  :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 09, 2010, 08:07:15 PM
courtesy of my friend...

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00656.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00655.jpg)
(left) precision device pd1850 800w and (right) p-audio sd 18el 1000w

pd1850 800w p31750

sd 18el 1000w p16000


ClasH of the TITANS?  :-D :-o
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: lowriderthug on April 12, 2010, 12:53:43 PM
which one is better? best or bestiest?  :lol:
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 12, 2010, 01:28:06 PM
which one is better? best or bestiest?  :lol:

Sir sa price ng PD dapat ito ang better woofer :-D  :-D  :-D
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: king_james on April 17, 2010, 08:19:28 PM
Sir sa price ng PD dapat ito ang better woofer :-D  :-D  :-D

Harhar sir tjlimjoco.  Kidding aside, the higher the price doesn't translate that it's essentially better.  I used to own some DAS 18 woofers rated at 700w.  DAS is made in Spain.  Good performance speakers but I sold them since we can't find parts for it.  When we bought the P_Audio woofers - SD18, C18 elf, C18 650 and the IMF,  lahat pwede! but with special emphasis on the SD18 of course.  That's the ultimate woofer for us harhar!.  As compared with DAS 18,  hindi nagpa-iwan ang IMF.  The IMF Hp18 costs only around 6.5k,  my DAs 18 was at 14k back then. .
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: das audio philippines on April 19, 2010, 01:43:27 PM
D.A.S. has a new and more powerful woofer 18LXN.
http://www.dasaudio.com/index.asp?pagina=productos&subpagina=14&galeria=212&producto=2728&numPagina=3&lang=en
Remember that is it not the size of the magnets that matter it is how powerful the magnets are.
Sad to say though that we stopped selling components only, It is found inside the industry's most powerful active subwoofers, the LX-218a
http://www.dasaudio.com/index.asp?pagina=productos&subpagina=1&galeria=288&producto=2631&numPagina=2&lang=en

Edgar David of EMD, one of the most avid users of D.A.S. in the Philippines will be using his D.A.S. RF15.64 and the new AVANT 12a in his show this coming April 23 at the World Trade Center.

For people who have inquiries with D.A.S. please feel free to call or text me at 0917-5771315 or 0922-5139885,

Thanks and more power to PHILMUSIC.

Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: king_james on April 19, 2010, 04:23:41 PM
D.A.S. has a new and more powerful woofer 18LXN.
http://www.dasaudio.com/index.asp?pagina=productos&subpagina=14&galeria=212&producto=2728&numPagina=3&lang=en
Remember that is it not the size of the magnets that matter it is how powerful the magnets are.
Sad to say though that we stopped selling components only, It is found inside the industry's most powerful active subwoofers, the LX-218a
http://www.dasaudio.com/index.asp?pagina=productos&subpagina=1&galeria=288&producto=2631&numPagina=2&lang=en

Edgar David of EMD, one of the most avid users of D.A.S. in the Philippines will be using his D.A.S. RF15.64 and the new AVANT 12a in his show this coming April 23 at the World Trade Center.

For people who have inquiries with D.A.S. please feel free to call or text me at 0917-5771315 or 0922-5139885,

Thanks and more power to PHILMUSIC.



Bro, try to post the respective prices na din sana.  :-)  :-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on April 20, 2010, 01:28:12 AM
D.A.S. has a new and more powerful woofer 18LXN.
http://www.dasaudio.com/index.asp?pagina=productos&subpagina=14&galeria=212&producto=2728&numPagina=3&lang=en
Remember that is it not the size of the magnets that matter it is how powerful the magnets are.
Sad to say though that we stopped selling components only, It is found inside the industry's most powerful active subwoofers, the LX-218a
http://www.dasaudio.com/index.asp?pagina=productos&subpagina=1&galeria=288&producto=2631&numPagina=2&lang=en

Edgar David of EMD, one of the most avid users of D.A.S. in the Philippines will be using his D.A.S. RF15.64 and the new AVANT 12a in his show this coming April 23 at the World Trade Center.

For people who have inquiries with D.A.S. please feel free to call or text me at 0917-5771315 or 0922-5139885,

Thanks and more power to PHILMUSIC.



and i suggest you bring in some speaker components for d.i.y. guys like me  :-D

nice to hear that das is again alive and kickin'  8-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: fergiemar on June 07, 2010, 08:39:21 PM
pwede kaya isalpak yan sa MTL2?? :?

hehehe..

nakakatakot yan..

ang laki..
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: eirol_99 on June 08, 2010, 12:47:55 PM
bakit parang iba yung itsura ng sd18el sa unang pic sa pic na may kasamang pd1850? yung screen sa backplate ang magkaiba..
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on June 08, 2010, 04:31:44 PM
pwede kaya isalpak yan sa MTL2?? :?

hehehe..

nakakatakot yan..

ang laki..

B0z, hindi kasYa ang Sd18 sa MTL2. Kargad0 dyan ay IMF HP18s!  :-D  Match na matcH  8-)

M0re 0n the IMF: http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,171887.0.html
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: fergiemar on June 08, 2010, 07:52:32 PM
salamat sir!
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: N1X on August 09, 2010, 11:14:32 PM
courtesy of my friend...

(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00656.jpg)
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/jolo3200/ProAudio/DSC00655.jpg)
(left) precision device pd1850 800w and (right) p-audio sd 18el 1000w

pd1850 800w p31750

sd 18el 1000w p16000


teka 1850 ng ano yan bat ang mahal. yung neusch na PD1850 10,500 lang kasi

Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on August 09, 2010, 11:36:52 PM
@ N1X: teka 1850 ng ano yan bat ang mahal. yung neusch na PD1850 10,500 lang kasi

B0z yan p0 kasi yung tunaY na PRECISION DEVICE PD1850 na maDe in UK.  Mer0n din p0 ak0ng NeusCh na PD1850 dati per0 it0 yung gaya-gaya lanG hehehe  :lol:
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on August 09, 2010, 11:58:48 PM
Ang tunAy na PD1850: http://www.precision-devices.com/ShowDetails.asp?id=15   :-D
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: N1X on August 10, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
mismo yan :)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Glennox on August 12, 2010, 07:12:09 AM
...Ganito na pala ang looks ng orig na PD1850...grayish na ang top part ng magnet...,, :wink:

(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/Glennox_2010/PD18505-1.jpg)

(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/Glennox_2010/PD1850price.jpg)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on August 13, 2010, 07:25:23 AM
the precision device 1850, void v8 1000 and the p.audio sd18 el are said to be classified in one class.  the pd and void are both made in england.  it's nice to learn that precision device is now available here  8-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Glennox on August 21, 2010, 03:56:30 PM
the precision device 1850, void v8 1000 and the p.audio sd18 el are said to be classified in one class.  the pd and void are both made in england.  it's nice to learn that precision device is now available here  8-)

...Boss Jef meron ng newer versions: Precision Device 1851 at Void V18 1200...,, :-o

1.  PD 1851
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/Glennox_2010/pd1851.jpg)

2.  Void V18 1200
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/Glennox_2010/v181200.jpg)

...Maas angat na ito sa P audio SD 18el...,, :lol:
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: mackie on August 29, 2010, 10:11:55 PM
+ 1 on SD18EL, Ive got 6 of this installed in 186 bins, loud, clean and warm. P13,500 pa lang nun..hehe

(http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq360/darfdale/DSC00391.jpg)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: Jef2 on August 30, 2010, 12:39:18 AM
+1000 for the sd 18el.  heard those, been there, done that... at the end of the day,  it will always be performance.  8-)
Title: Re: unboxing the 'beast' . . . the real 1000w 18" woofer
Post by: tjlimjoco on September 06, 2010, 08:23:22 PM
...Boss Jef meron ng newer versions: Precision Device 1851 at Void V18 1200...,, :-o

1.  PD 1851
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/Glennox_2010/pd1851.jpg)

2.  Void V18 1200
(http://i893.photobucket.com/albums/ac138/Glennox_2010/v181200.jpg)

...Maas angat na ito sa P audio SD 18el...,, :lol:

DapAt lanG hehehe   :lol: