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« Reply #100 on: April 01, 2006, 08:43:21 PM »
re: seagull and art & lutherie guitars. pareho sila ng makers, pati yung godin guitars. puro made in quebec, canada yung mga yun. maganda naman ang tunog ng seagull, kaya lang mashadong limited lang ang models na meron sila dito, mostly the dreadnought or folk sized ones at mostly cedar tops pa. pero solid cedar naman ang tops nila and laminated cherry back and sides. maganda tunog, kinda dry though. hindi lang ako masanay sa malapad na fingerboard nya. almost like a classical guitar. maganda sana yung parlor guitar nila, sana magka-ganon dito na steel strings... solid yun, hehe.

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« Reply #101 on: April 01, 2006, 08:47:05 PM »
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« Reply #102 on: April 01, 2006, 08:48:34 PM »
eto question for you guys...

what's the best non-high end acoustic you've tried? or rephrase nalang, the best "asian-made" or non-us made acoustic guitar you've tried.

ako so far, i like the sounds of my acoustics, the jasmine and the morris. maganda naman ang balance nya sa highs and lows. bright highs, and deep bass, dreadnoughts kasi eh. compared dun sa dati kong thinline ibanez aeg-10, medyo manipis tunog. however, i saw an ibanez artwood series na 000-bodied that i really liked. since artwood sha malamang solid top yun, ganda ng porma, spruce top, laminate walnut (yata) back and sides, gold tuners and tortoise pickguard. saya sana bilhin yun kaya lang walang cash. 14k sha last time i saw it in alimall. ganda ng tunog, and it's bound to get better pa.

kayo naman magshare... hehe

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« Reply #103 on: April 02, 2006, 09:14:12 AM »
Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.

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« Reply #104 on: April 02, 2006, 09:17:24 AM »
hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:
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« Reply #105 on: April 02, 2006, 11:42:44 AM »
The yamahas form the mid 70s and 80s maayos tumunog, definitely better than the seagulls.... even tried the more than 50k+ seagull w/ solid sitka and maple back and sides pati yun mga artist models...

but pag gusto mo talaga ng pure acoustic tone- unplugged... imho, you have to spend some money talaga... atleast a 03 larrivee' or a 15 custom series na martin....

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« Reply #106 on: April 02, 2006, 11:46:35 AM »
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Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.


What santacruz did you try???  sa taylors experiece ko, consistent na maayos ang mga guitars nila even sa 1 and  2 series...  pero walang wow factor cept for the 5 and 6 series... iba kasi voicing ng taylor :D

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« Reply #107 on: April 02, 2006, 03:03:33 PM »
sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.

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« Reply #108 on: April 02, 2006, 03:05:44 PM »
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sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


speaking of acoustic tone party? jam ba ito? haha! game kelan? set agad ng date!
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« Reply #109 on: April 02, 2006, 05:59:00 PM »
acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.

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« Reply #110 on: April 02, 2006, 11:47:59 PM »
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acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...

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« Reply #111 on: April 02, 2006, 11:53:07 PM »
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Got under my care a Martin D35. I dont hear much good praise about since a lot of people talks about the D18, 28 or 41 but for me this is the true acoustic tone.

I installed a K&K Pure Western pickup  runs through a K&K XLR preamp and to the PA.

I am currently using John Pearse Mediums now for test driving but I have been using Elixirs Phosphor Bronze Lights. I like the feel and the life of Elixirs but the light gauge is too slinky for me. Gusto ko yung lumalaban ang guitar kaya I would definitely trade this Elixir Lights to Medium.

So far wala pa naman nakakatalo sa tunog nito excepts for (naglalaway) yung Santa Cruz na nahawakan ko.. pero wow naman sa presyo P217K ang presyo so hanggang pangarap na lang muna.

The Blueridge Gospel Model also caught my ear. Maganda ang Blueridge ganda feel ng neck, lakas ng tunog, clear ang notes. Baka BR ang bilhin ko pangharabas.

Yung Taylor naman....hmmm yung low ends nila I was not impressed...medyo manipis yun sound nya e. yung pinakamatino nga na close to a Martin ang sound is....400 series or 700 series.

Sa low ends....Takamine na ang pinaka ok sakin...ovation manipis (unplugged).

So far Martin at Santa Cruz pa lang ang nagpapalaway sakin.


What santacruz did you try???  sa taylors experiece ko, consistent na maayos ang mga guitars nila even sa 1 and  2 series...  pero walang wow factor cept for the 5 and 6 series... iba kasi voicing ng taylor :D


yun cguro hinahanap ko...yung wow factor kaso wala talaga e.... parang takamine lang ang sound e.

nahanap ko ang wow sa sound ng Martin. Parang piano ang dating sakin nitong D35 na ito e nung unang nadinig ko. nanginginig pa ako nung binili ko..

imagine ang unang guitar ko lumanog ovation copy tapos after a couple of years...nakaMartin.  :D

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« Reply #112 on: April 02, 2006, 11:57:49 PM »
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hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:


ako basehan ko price e...

for acoustics>

super low ends - lumanog
low ends sakin - takamines, yamaha, ibanez
high - martin, maton, seagulls, taylor
super high - santa cruz, olsen,

actually rough description to dahil me mga low ends na
mahal. me mga high ends na mura.

at yung super high mapapamura ka.

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« Reply #113 on: April 03, 2006, 08:06:49 AM »
ako ang hierarchy ko ng presyo, hehe.

note: brand new price eto ah, hehe.

below 10k guitars - low end
above 10k guitars - 30k guitars - mid end
above 30k guitars - 100k guitars - high end
above 100k guitars to infinity - super high end

ako i'm not a fan of overly-inlaid acoustics. ok na sakin yung inlaid binding, inlaid rosette and fretboard inlays, hehe. basta abalone, ganda ng abalone eh. di ko na type yung mga mala-d50 or d100 inlays, hehe.

ako mga pangarap kong acoustics (pangarap lang kasi malabo ako makabili nito, hehe):

pag martin: om-28v, 000-28, d-28, d-35, 000-18v
santa cruz: om prewar

actually ang nagustuhan ko sa santa cruz eh yung no-frills design nila, lalo na yung mga prewar. pero anlupet ng tunog.

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« Reply #114 on: April 03, 2006, 11:34:54 AM »
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acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...


well thats an expensive santacruz... the inlays wont help in the tone department... try the prewar models- cheapaest yan kasi no frills- killer tone....

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« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2006, 11:37:05 AM »
Low end: 300 bucks below
High end: 2000 bucks up

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« Reply #116 on: April 03, 2006, 11:42:15 AM »
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hmm.. lagi ko naririnig yung low end at high end.. ano ba yung mga yun?! :lol:


ako basehan ko price e...

for acoustics>

super low ends - lumanog
low ends sakin - takamines, yamaha, ibanez
high - martin, maton, seagulls, taylor
super high - santa cruz, olsen,

actually rough description to dahil me mga low ends na
mahal. me mga high ends na mura.

at yung super high mapapamura ka.


mahirap mag base sa brands... for example there are yamahas above 2k in their current production line, same goes w/ takamine.... on the other hand may murang taylor (110) and matons lalo na seagull... martins naman cater to everyone from 300 bucks to 50k, laki ng range.... :D

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« Reply #117 on: April 03, 2006, 11:43:58 AM »
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sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


 Sa december pa ako malamang makakapaghost, by that time ill have my own place na... gagawan ko ng maliit na music room... :D

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« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2006, 01:48:09 PM »
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sana magkaroon tayo ng acoustic tone party. host si farseer, produced by kulas (tnx nga pala sa dvd!) :-)

very elusive kasi ang perfect acoustic tone.  and dahil sa high prices, and lack of soundclips, it's hard to really have an idea of what's out there. i wonder how much better the high end acoustics are and whether pwede na yung mas mura.


 Sa december pa ako malamang makakapaghost, by that time ill have my own place na... gagawan ko ng maliit na music room... :D


well, that's a future venue. i can't wait till december eh, hehe. kailangan makapag-tone party na tayo soon, hehe. anyone know a small, carpeted, air conditioned place? in other words, a studio, hehe. pero i think it would be more expensive pag nag-rent tayo ng studio diba? di pa pwede magpasok ng food, hehe. oh well, sana makahanap tayo ng place. what areas would you prefer?

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« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2006, 02:18:07 PM »
napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:
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« Reply #120 on: April 04, 2006, 07:50:43 AM »
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acoustic tone party... sounds good! saan kaya maganda ang venue? maganda kung maganda yung "acoustics" nung place, para talagang feel na feel natin yung vibe from the acoustics. yung definition ko (for myself of course) of a good aocustic guitar is one which can make you feel its vibrations as you play it. yung tipong mayayanig ka habang tumutugtog. yung you don't hear its sound but instead, you feel it, hehehe. sarap nun!

re: d-35, i've always wanted a d-35 kasi ganon yung gitara ni dave matthews dati, hehe. pero ngayon mas gusto ko na yung om/000 sizes.


ha ha ha..parang nakadinig na ako nyan ganyan tunog.

Nung nilabas nung shop na pinuntahan yung santa cruz model na worth almost a million pesos (P992K) nadinig ko na ng talagang malupit na tunog.

Partida open strings pa lang yun. I did not even bother to touch it.

I did not remember what model or even did not made the effort to knoww it since these kinds of guitars just dont exist to me...price wise. (Maybe if im filthy rich!)

Alam ko lang Santa Cruz, Brazilian Rosewood, NAMM quality...at sandamakmak ang inlays.

So far my Martin D35 helps me make through the day...


well thats an expensive santacruz... the inlays wont help in the tone department... try the prewar models- cheapaest yan kasi no frills- killer tone....


actually yng brazilian rosewood ang nagpaganda ng sound. yung inlay pampahype lang ng moral kung sino man ang tutugtog.

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« Reply #121 on: April 04, 2006, 07:58:18 AM »
It has a full bodied tone with just enough high to make your notes sing. I 've had mine set up with Martin strings to get that Matrin feel and it felt like I owneda Martin as well. Nasira lng ng utol ko ung gitara due to carelessness, ayun nawala ung legacy ng uncle ko na Briton .....

anyway...try looking for the Antoria brand, you wont  part with it...for a non US guitar, its worth an investment
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« Reply #122 on: April 04, 2006, 10:52:46 AM »
I dont think that braz rw has tonal superiority over IR or madagascar rw... its just more stunning to look at, same goes w/ cocobolos.... mas importante yun top, maybe they used a master class adirondack or german spruce top....

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« Reply #123 on: April 04, 2006, 10:58:44 AM »
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napapag-usapan na rin lang, anybody here know any local luthiers who build good acoustics? please exclude any and all members of the Lumanog and Bandilla clan, please.  :lol:


I had a jumbo guitar custom built for me... solid spruce top, solid flamed maple back and sides, ebony board and bridge.... took 90 days to finish... pero yun kinalabasab- SABLAY... ang hina tumunog nun guitar e jumbo pa yun.... walang character at all.... and it was kida expensive too, 30k nagastos ko... after  2 mos of experimenting sold it nalang for 13k :cry:

Lesson: mahal magpacustom if you want to use the right woods, and theres the risk na baka hindi maganda yun kalabasan.... i suggest u get an old jap martin or gibson copy.... or try to buy a blueridge :D

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« Reply #124 on: April 04, 2006, 11:01:01 AM »
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It has a full bodied tone with just enough high to make your notes sing. I 've had mine set up with Martin strings to get that Matrin feel and it felt like I owneda Martin as well. Nasira lng ng utol ko ung gitara due to carelessness, ayun nawala ung legacy ng uncle ko na Briton .....

anyway...try looking for the Antoria brand, you wont  part with it...for a non US guitar, its worth an investment


what model??? sayang yun martin baka vintage D28 yun....

where can you get this antoria guitar??? ano specs....