PC as Multi-Effects? Help!

[moogerfooger]

ok thanks/ naka -on pala yung mic in ko. hehe. i've tried the maximum na kaya ng pc ko (96000 / 2048) pero may slight delay parin. ganun ba talaga?

gamit ka ng ASIO 4 ALL sir para ma-reduce ang latency. or bili ka na din ng USB interface ng behringer (external soundcard na mura lng below 800 pesos ata)

[pings15]

i was practicing one time sa school with my laptop and the effects software bundled sa MAudio Jamlab...

then somebody asked me if i could play for a program sa isang subject i said ok fine.. but then i forgot my effects haha and wala palang amp dun hehe.. so i used my laptop as my effects and lined it out sa pc speakers..

all in all the sound was ok, buti nalang may patches na ako available..

may taga pindot nlng ako hehe... then to my curiousity, when i got home i used a converter para magkasya yung able ko from amp to the output ng jamlab, sound was decent enough! ok siya latency issues? wala namang delay although may mga times na nagkakaroon ng split second audio drop out na hindi halata, astig din kasi pag ka ganun nasa harap ko yung tabs ko hehe habang tumtugtog hehehe...

its good sa live kapag pang ambient effects lang siya, hehe (if i plan to use it on a bigger program/gig) pero i wont use it..

oh btw, im using my crappy pentium4 laptop kaya siguro may mga audio dropouts kasi hindi kinakaya ng processor ko.. maybe.. hehe..

soundcard ko is just the built in soundcard ng laptop ko, soundmax ata yun eh..

[kurtcobainer]

sir try nyo po GUITAR RIG3 kaso kelangan nyo ng soundcard na hindi built-in o kaya external like yung USB interface ng BEHRINGER para hindi gaano maging issue ang latency. and good news kasi yung USB interface ng behringer e mura lng at minsan nga free lang yon pag bumili ka ng midi controller    GUITAR RIG 3 ..andun n lahat sir ng kelangan mo

@Ma'am moogerfooger:

A friend of mine gave me an installer of GR-2 & 3. Which do you prefer using? GR 2 or 3?

Pwede ko bang gamitin yung ibang foot controller as a substitute kasi ang mahal ng foot controller ng Guitar Rig and wala pa atang available dito sa 'Pinas nun.

Or

Would suggest a good subsititute foot pedal.

Kaka-install ko palang nung Guitar Rig 2 and I have no idea on how to use it, I only saw the demo and the videos sa Youtube. Can I use it without the foot controller, if I record at home? But I also want to use it sa LIVE settings eh, so i guess pag ganun na nag mangyayari, kelangan ko na talaga ng foot controller.

Here's the specs of the Laptop that I'm using:
      Acer 4715Z

• Intel Pentium dual-core processor T2330

          (1.60Ghz, 533Mhz FSB, 1MB L2 cache)

• 1.5GB DDR2

• 80GB HDD

• I'm using the stock soundcard of my Laptop.
  

Noob pakoo pagdating dito so, can somebody/anybody help me on this. Thanks in advance!

[KitC]

sir try nyo po GUITAR RIG3 kaso kelangan nyo ng soundcard na hindi built-in o kaya external like yung USB interface ng BEHRINGER para hindi gaano maging issue ang latency.

It's good that you are getting good results from the Behri interface, but I want to clear up a few misconceptions muna.

You don't really need an external interface in order to run GR3 (or GR2, or Amplitube...). Internal or external will do as long as it fulfills the following:

a) it should have bulletproof drivers that allow you to run software like GR3 at the lowest latency possible. It doesn't matter if it's WDM (DirectX) driver or ASIO as long as the drivers allow you to process the signals at low latencies. Remember that uber low latencies in the area of 2, 3, or 4ms stress the cpu significantly, the same with higher sample rates; you may require powerful computers if you really need low latencies.

b) the interface should preferably have a high-z input to accommodate proper guitar impedances. While you can conceivably connect to a line input, you will experience tone suck. If your interface only has line level inputs, you can use a preamp/DI - I've used an ART preamp successfully (I liked what I heard but to be honest, I'm no guitarist).

c) the computer you are using MUST be optimized for audio. Disable devices you don't use like printer/serial ports, networking; don't use high-powered video cards - these have a nasty habit of stealing cpu headroom in insidious ways; disable TSR programs like virus scanners, spyware scanners, and chat (YM). These programs eat up precious cpu cycles that could be devote to processing audio. If you have to, create separate device profiles for everyday pc use and another strictly devoted for audio.

hth,

[kurtcobainer]

Thanks a lot Sir KitC.

[stilljey]

Can I use it without the foot controller,

Of course bro, you can use it even though without foot controller or Rig Kontrol 2, actually meron na syang RK2. Sa leftside ng bank preset merong icon dun, click mo yun and Rig Kontrol 2 will appear at the bottom left, may foot pedal, pwede kang mag assign,kaya lang kung sa live gagamitin medyo mahirap, kailangan talaga hardware.   

[kurtcobainer]

Of course bro, you can use it even though without foot controller or Rig Kontrol 2, actually meron na syang RK2. Sa leftside ng bank preset merong icon dun, click mo yun and Rig Kontrol 2 will appear at the bottom left, may foot pedal, pwede kang mag assign,kaya lang kung sa live gagamitin medyo mahirap, kailangan talaga hardware.   

Thanks sir!

Meron bang pwede pang substitute na foot controller aside from the Rig Kontrol?

.. Oh and hindi ko alam kung san ko ipopost ito, pero pwede na din ba magtanong? Has anyone used Reason 4 here? Which is more user-friendly the Reason 4 or yung Ableton?

[stilljey]

Meron bang pwede pang substitute na foot controller aside from the Rig Kontrol?

keyboard or midi controller mga one octave like MAudio Oxygen 8 , maliit lang sya baka pwede nang i click ng daliri ng paa mo. 

[moogerfooger]

@Ma'am moogerfooger:

A friend of mine gave me an installer of GR-2 & 3. Which do you prefer using? GR 2 or 3?

Pwede ko bang gamitin yung ibang foot controller as a substitute kasi ang mahal ng foot controller ng Guitar Rig and wala pa atang available dito sa 'Pinas nun.

Or

Would suggest a good subsititute foot pedal.

Kaka-install ko palang nung Guitar Rig 2 and I have no idea on how to use it, I only saw the demo and the videos sa Youtube. Can I use it without the foot controller, if I record at home? But I also want to use it sa LIVE settings eh, so i guess pag ganun na nag mangyayari, kelangan ko na talaga ng foot controller.

Here's the specs of the Laptop that I'm using:
      Acer 4715Z

• Intel Pentium dual-core processor T2330

          (1.60Ghz, 533Mhz FSB, 1MB L2 cache)

• 1.5GB DDR2

• 80GB HDD

• I'm using the stock soundcard of my Laptop.
  

Noob pakoo pagdating dito so, can somebody/anybody help me on this. Thanks in advance!

use behringer foot controller (cheaper) compared to GR controller na mahal

yes sir wla naman halos problema sa specs ng PC mo and the main reason why i suggest behringer USB interface with ASIO4ALL driver e para ma-reduce yung latency and noise at saka mura lang sya.

halos lahat kasi ng BUILT-IN SOUNDCARDS sa PC e shared yung memory so malamang lagi ang drop-out nyan.

MME,WDM usually ang mga drivers ng PC soundcards na designed lang para sa windows applications tho pde mo rin naman gmitin sa audio apps kaso nga limited ang resources nyan.

malaking factor ang audio driver mo sa latency. use ASIO4ALL pra ma-adjust mo buffer size and latency compensation hanggang sa makuha mo yung tamang settings.

sa PC specs mo ser.. gamitin mo muna GR2 unless magdagdag ka ng RAM to 2gig pde na GR3

enjoi...

[moogerfooger]

It's good that you are getting good results from the Behri interface, but I want to clear up a few misconceptions muna.

You don't really need an external interface in order to run GR3 (or GR2, or Amplitube...). Internal or external will do as long as it fulfills the following:

a) it should have bulletproof drivers that allow you to run software like GR3 at the lowest latency possible. It doesn't matter if it's WDM (DirectX) driver or ASIO as long as the drivers allow you to process the signals at low latencies. Remember that uber low latencies in the area of 2, 3, or 4ms stress the cpu significantly, the same with higher sample rates; you may require powerful computers if you really need low latencies.

b) the interface should preferably have a high-z input to accommodate proper guitar impedances. While you can conceivably connect to a line input, you will experience tone suck. If your interface only has line level inputs, you can use a preamp/DI - I've used an ART preamp successfully (I liked what I heard but to be honest, I'm no guitarist).

c) the computer you are using MUST be optimized for audio. Disable devices you don't use like printer/serial ports, networking; don't use high-powered video cards - these have a nasty habit of stealing cpu headroom in insidious ways; disable TSR programs like virus scanners, spyware scanners, and chat (YM). These programs eat up precious cpu cycles that could be devote to processing audio. If you have to, create separate device profiles for everyday pc use and another strictly devoted for audio.

hth,

yes i agree with you ser kaso lahat nman ng PC present na lagi yung BUILT-IN soundcards and drivers (MME,WDM etc..) ang lahat yan e shared ang memory at minsan hindi nagsu-support ng ibang audio application kasi lhat yan designed for windows applications tho pde na rin yung drivers na ginagamit sa gaming.

yes sir magru-run nman lhat yang mga applications na yan..pero cgurado yan magkakaproblema  pag ginamit na like distorted yung sound,drop-outs,delayed response, latency at kung ano ano pang hassle.
 
yung behringer USB interface kung gagamitan ng ASIO4ALL driver, mejo swak na din sir kumpara sa iba na mahal kung bibilhin and ito yung pinakamadaling intindihin para sa lhat ng nagtatanong dito.

kung may problema sa latency at distorted sound... adjustable nman ang asio4all (buffer size and latency compensation).

plug and play ika nga..

[KitC]

yes i agree with you ser kaso lahat nman ng PC present na lagi yung BUILT-IN soundcards and drivers (MME,WDM etc..) ang lahat yan e shared ang memory at minsan hindi nagsu-support ng ibang audio application kasi lhat yan designed for windows applications tho pde na rin yung drivers na ginagamit sa gaming.

 

There are pci soundcards capable of very low latencies. PCI soundcards do not necessarily use shared memory (soundblasters and onboard video usually does that) and often have better data bandwidth than external devices. For example, I have an Emu 1820m installed along with a Terratec DMX 6fire - both are capable of latencies as low as 2 ms. at 44.1 khz, and both use ASIO and WDM drivers. I have disabled onboard sound but my other cards can also support the occasional games and other windows apps. At one time, I even had onboard sound active but I just turned it off because I already had too much going and I wanted a lean and mean system. Just for kicks, I would like to re-install my Yamaha DS2416 DSP Factory and see how it all runs.

yung behringer USB interface kung gagamitan ng ASIO4ALL driver, mejo swak na din sir kumpara sa iba na mahal kung bibilhin and ito yung pinakamadaling intindihin para sa lhat ng nagtatanong dito.

I agree asio4all is a very good driver but it has a "hidden" latency of 11 ms added on top of your system latency, last time I checked. If you want to confirm this latency, go to centrance.com and download their latency utility.

[kurtcobainer]

use behringer foot controller (cheaper) compared to GR controller na mahal

yes sir wla naman halos problema sa specs ng PC mo and the main reason why i suggest behringer USB interface with ASIO4ALL driver e para ma-reduce yung latency and noise at saka mura lang sya.

halos lahat kasi ng BUILT-IN SOUNDCARDS sa PC e shared yung memory so malamang lagi ang drop-out nyan.

MME,WDM usually ang mga drivers ng PC soundcards na designed lang para sa windows applications tho pde mo rin naman gmitin sa audio apps kaso nga limited ang resources nyan.

malaking factor ang audio driver mo sa latency. use ASIO4ALL pra ma-adjust mo buffer size and latency compensation hanggang sa makuha mo yung tamang settings.

sa PC specs mo ser.. gamitin mo muna GR2 unless magdagdag ka ng RAM to 2gig pde na GR3

enjoi...

Thanks so much sa reply ma'am!

Tanong lang ulit. Which Behringer foot controller would you suggest? Madami kasi ng mga models yung nakita ko dun last na pumunta ako eh.

Regarding ASIO4ALL naman, dinownload ko na nga din sya and na-try ko na syang gamitin. Pero mataas ang latency level nya, naka kelangan ko nga talaga nung USB interface.

Thanks ulit for the help!

[kurtcobainer]

I went to Behringer Megamall yesterday looking for that USB interface pero eto lang yung meron sila.

What do you think of this one?

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-Guitar-Link-UCG102?sku=241228

[marzi]

pede yan kaso mahal pre eh...

yan din yung tinanong ko sa kanila dati pa...

may kasamang software yan simulator ng effects kaso iilan lang yata ang effects...

[kurtcobainer]

pede yan kaso mahal pre eh...

yan din yung tinanong ko sa kanila dati pa...

may kasamang software yan simulator ng effects kaso iilan lang yata ang effects...

Yeah, mas mahal sya kesa dun sa isa, kaso lang wala kasing stock nung isa eh. Pero parang mas ok ito.

Ok lang yun, hindi ko naman gagamitin yung mga effects na anjan eh. Gagamitin ko lang sya para hindi masyadong malaki yung latency.

I guess I'll have to wait 'till magka-stock sila nung isa.

[kurtcobainer]

Update:

Nakita ko yung post ni Rakki sa mga previous pages and ginaya ko yung mga tips na singgest nya regarding sa pag-bawas ng latency.

Sinunod ko step by step yung pinost nya and tada nabawasan yung latency tama nga sya, halos hindi mo mapansin yung latency pero ang problem ko nalang eh parang ang panget nung sustain and hindi ganun ka-gritty yung tunog ng distortion minsan nga nango-ngongo yung tunog eh. I'm using Guitar Rig 2 nga pala.

Dahil pa din kaya yun sa Soundcard ko? Mababang klase lang kasi yung sakin eh. Realtek lang.

[raki]

...it's working fine on my machine. honestly.. i hear no latency on mine, sabay yung output nung amplitube and yung output nung guitar.. sabay talaga eh, kung meron man, it's so insignificant to be a bother.

..what bothers mer lang talaga ngayon is that yun nga sabay yung out nung amplitube and nung 'normal' na output nung mic whereas hindi naman ganun dati, and andun pa din yung 'drop' every half a minute or so.

..i ran a latency checker, everything panned out fine din, the checker indicated na 'Your machine can handle realtime with no latency" (<-- something like that) and yun may nakikita akong 'spikes' sa result (i guess yun yung nagco cause ng drop sa Amplitube).. suggestion nila is to disable some of the hardware sa Device manager na possible na nagco cause nun.. wala na lang akong time mag 'experiment'.. baka NIC ko yun.. and i can't have my internet connection down. So tsaka na lang.

..hindi ko alam yung behringer USB whatever.. siguro maganda rin yun.. is this akin to the Pocket POD? (Kasi kung ako parang i'd go with the pocket pod)..

[stilljey]

Dahil pa din kaya yun sa Soundcard ko? Mababang klase lang kasi yung sakin eh. Realtek lang.

kahit onboard nga lang ang soundcard mo basta naka ASIO4ALL ka, configure mo then wala na yung latency issue. nakita ko ok naman specs ng computer mo.

[moogerfooger]

Regarding ASIO4ALL naman, dinownload ko na nga din sya and na-try ko na syang gamitin. Pero mataas ang latency level nya, naka kelangan ko nga talaga nung USB interface.


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sir pde mo adjust settings ng ASIO driver mo.(buffer size, latency compensation sliders)

[kurtcobainer]

Regarding ASIO4ALL naman, dinownload ko na nga din sya and na-try ko na syang gamitin. Pero mataas ang latency level nya, naka kelangan ko nga talaga nung USB interface.




sir pde mo adjust settings ng ASIO driver mo.(buffer size, latency compensation sliders)

Moogerfooger, anong behringer foot controller sinusuggest mo na bilhin ko as a substitue sa Rig Kontrol?

Eto ba: http://www.behringer.com/FCB1010/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Parang ang dami naman nung tapakan nyan compared dun sa Rig Kontrol, meron pa kayang iba?

[Deadwing]

For those looking for a really good deal with guitar interface for the PC, nagbagsakan na presyo ng Line6 Toneport.  The UX2 which used to be $270 is now for sale at $140.  I just recently picked up a UX1.  The price on that is now $90.  Check Guitar Center if you're US-based.  It's also available at Musiciansfriend.com.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?b=1010

[pizarro84]

Question lang po, di po ba makakasira ng system pag kinabit ko yung output to a guitar amp then do feedback technique?

And yung analog output po ng line6 toneport, procesed signal po ba yung lumalabas dun?

Thanks!