improving your 16 beats

[bolshoi]

nowadays maraming good drummers (not the professional ha) na talagang
hahanga ka sa galing at ang daming technique na alam and hayop sa fill-ins
but pag nagrequest ka na mag 16 beats(hi-hats), nahihirapan i-project yun
ganun klaseng technique or sablay.

Laos na ba o talagang hindi na ginagamit sa types ng music ngayon?

Junboy of The Dawn used to do that style in most of their songs wayback the new wave era but now i noticed na pag may gig sila hindi na masyado sya sa 16beats.

How to improve it? 

thanks man

[toybitz]

practice it like you would practice single strokes.

or play your kit, doing four on the floor, 16 note beats on the hi hat with steady backbeats.

Junboy probably doesn't do it too often nowadays as the Dawn has been "writing" or "playing" differently for the past few years due to line up changes and evolution in songwriting.  Baka hindi bagay kaya hindi na niya ginagawa madalas.  But he does incorporates some rudimental sticking patterns on the hats beside the regular steady 16 beat groove.

[reueldrums]

yup!!practice it using single strokes and it would be much better if you would add some accents to it, try listening to All american reject's move along, their drummer uses that groove on chorus

[toybitz]

yup!!practice it using single strokes and it would be much better if you would add some accents to it, try listening to All american reject's move along, their drummer uses that groove on chorus

yeah...accents give variety and subdivisions...accents are cool!

it's your next step if you've mastered steady and even 16 beats.

practice na!

[autoexec]

ang mahirap para sakin yung 16ths on right hand only..

[toybitz]

practice lang yan Bro...

aabot din.

[autoexec]

nakasanayan ko na lang talaga yung alternating, nakakainggit nga yung ibang right hand lang eh tapos nag momoller pa. Comfortable din ako kasi pag alternating madali kong malalagyan ng doubles or buzz.. hehe

[bolshoi]

thanks mga sir for sharing.

[residentdrummer4]

start slow bro! when u practice, dapat concious ka na every hit ng hi- hats ay nasa tamang lugar kasi pag mabilis ka kaagad kalat sa pandinig. ganun din kasi ginagawa ko nung ng sisi mula ako, now i'm doing it again with my double peds.

[inigo]

Do the Moeller drills. 2's, 3's then 4's. This should help you in developing speed and getting used to accents. Plus, hindi lang for hi-hats eto.

Search ka sa You Tube ng "Moeller Technique" for demos.

[bolshoi]

Do the Moeller drills. 2's, 3's then 4's. This should help you in developing speed and getting used to accents. Plus, hindi lang for hi-hats eto.

Search ka sa You Tube ng "Moeller Technique" for demos.

thanks sir inigo.

[reueldrums]

I badly suggest that you start slowly... that is the very key to drumming... START REAL SLOW, use a metronome for this matter, halos lahat, sakit ng drummer eh yung tiempo, habang early pa start using it kung wala make use of your wall clock or anything, mahirap na kasing baguhin yan pagnakasanayan na.... mas magandang ngayon pa lang start from the fundamentals specially ung 16 note na ganyan, kasi may iba bumibilis pag ginagamit na nila ung 16th note groove, bro later na lang ung moeller and 16note on one hand or shuffle w/ or /o accents, ang importante ung tiempo mu and calrity and talbog nung palo mu, ung ibang techniques sobrang dali na lang.... and yes try doing some researching in youtube or in www.drummerworld.com this ill help you a lot!!!!  God Bless BROTHA'!!!!

[jeff_proX40]

eto po example ng accent sa 16 beat,

H - Accent <
h - No Accent >


Standard 16 beat:
H h h h   H h h h   H h h h   H h h h

With Accent:
H h h H   h h H h   h H h h   H h h H


Hope it helps.

[gamusa]

another 16 notes exercise
LRLL  RLRL RRLR  LRLL
RLRR LRLR  LLRL  RLRR


HOPE IT HELPS ALSO

[phfreq]

yung mga exercises ni johnny rabb dun sa book nya na jungle drum and bass ok.. I believe this is a good book and hindi lang sa jung dnb applicable ung mga exercises.. simple lang, madaling intindihin and makakatulong din sa hats, snare and kick coordination.

Yung technique din ni Jojo Mayer dun sa dvd nya ok din in improving 16th note beats... Isa sa mga natandaan ko don ay ung sinabi nyang idea na ung shoulders, elbows, wrists and fingers are like gears ng car... yung shoulders, elbows ay parang primera, para dun sa may power pero hindi pa kailangang mabilis... Yung wrist naman, parang tersera hanggang quarta medyo mabilis pero hindi pa rin pinakamabilis... ung fingers ang parang quinta na pinakamabilis... so kung hindi na maimprove using wrists, you can also try utilizing your fingers... galing din non, nakakatuwa... nakakatulong din...

basically exercises and proper technique siguro...

[cs_mapper]

Para sa kin when it comes to 16 notes I always think of them
in a musical manner rather than technique kaya I look for
songs that has 16 notes hi-hat grooves and play along
those.

Sa mga old new wave marami nyan like that song
of this band called Curiosity killed the Cat and their
song Down to Earth 16 beat tlga swak na swak sa chorus nya.
Dun sa album nilang Keep your Distance marami 16 note groove
don.

At sympre yung mga olds songs ng the dawn hehe...salamat, alam ko alam nyo, etc etc...sarap mag 16 notes hihat sa mga yan.

one hand 16th note namn gaya sa songs ng mga toto...gorgy porgy,
africa, etc etc...tsaka pala...tom sawyer by rush hehe.

also check out jeff porcaro's drum instructional vid swak na swak mga
turo nya about 16 note grooves. nasa youtube na halos yan.

[Bammbamm]

My recent discovery: Practice 16ths on hihats accompanied by 110 bps 3-2 clave on metronome. Then apply it with different rudiments around the kit.
Daming phrases na pwedeng magawa especially pag consistent ang ostinato sa dalawang paa.
It made 16 beat sound new and not too straight and tight. Practice it with a cassette recorder to record yourself. Mapapansin mo nag so- songo ka na! 

[acousticpro]

interesting gawin ko nga din.

[daemonite]

I got back using the two hand 16 beat dahil kelangan sa kanta. And it's a big difference na since i began drumming. Dahil lang sa videos sa youtube.

Pinagpapalitan ko sila ng 1 hand tsaka alternate 16 beat depende sa kanta. Kung masayado na mabilis para sa isang kamay, balik ako alternate. Tapos kung manipis tunog nya sa 1 hand balik ako alternate.

practice lang yan. at hindi lang basta alternating ang pagpractisan, pati accents ng 16 beats para mas masarap ang groove! Pshht psshht yeah!

[drummerboy827]

Pag isang kamay sa 16th beat Rnb ung feel eh.

[cs_mapper]

for alternating 16 notes ride on the hihat  hinaan mo ng konti yung left mo tapos accent mo pa yung
mga downbeats tyak groove na groove tunog mo.
of course dipende pa rin sa kanta or style of music.