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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2009, 05:42:15 PM »
hindi ko alam kung tama yung nabasa ko dati.. kapag punks daw, vegetarian?

punk comes with a lot of sub-cultures and genres. usually the punks associated with vegetarian and vegan culture are straight-edge or hardliners. (not too sure about this, i enjoy the music, not necessarily all the lifestyle choices that go with it)

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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2009, 09:14:14 AM »
How about NoFX guys..?? these guys are cool too...actually they are my favorite punk rock band...:)
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« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2009, 10:09:23 AM »
yeah NoFX, btw, i also remember way back then (early 70's), Punks don't like Hippies..




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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2009, 10:26:49 AM »
haha...they got two great guitar players...El Hefe and Eric Melvin...you should check them out live...they came here in the philippines through sonic boom productions, I think 3 years ago(not realy sure)...
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« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2009, 10:32:16 AM »
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with all due respect to our younger punk rockers with regards "POP Punk" If I'm coming from an old school thought... I'm inclined to think that it has deviated from what punk stands for.. (the non conformist attitude)  Punk is not Funny...its supposed to be abrasive, punk is not supposed to go mainstream....its supposed to be an alternate sub culture, certainly cheezy  is a little bit at odds with agression.

in the case of Greenday, they did actually came from an authentic punk movement at Gilman street (a west coast version of CBGB) but the moment they got singed to the majors and got huge... the scene that cradled them just hated them as much as they were embraced  before the majors. at one point they couldn't hang around Gilman's because Punk fans were going to beat them.

the generation after Greenday, well a good number of them (not all) don't seem to know this original punk sensibilities. i remember seeing greenday for the first time on MTV... i said (w/o the knowledge of their background) this band sounds very punk but not so much in spirit . i like them by the way the whole act and music. and my interpretation of the song "Good Riddance" (years later) is about their separation from the Gilman Punk Scene.... That's just me .... i can be wrong

if you put one "old school" punk and one "pop punk" in a room... the former will butcher the latter, of course it's just an illustration that most old school punk rockers think they have no connection to what we know now as "POP Punk"... in the words of Billie Joe himself "Punk is a lifestyle"....in other words.... Palm muted rhythmic 8 notes, 3 chord root fifth voicings played @ 140 BPM does not make anyone punk... even if he has spiked hair.

I had my moments of punk youth back in the 80's but my lifestyle (as well as musically) slowly drifted inconsistently to" what punk is" so i stopped considering my self Punk by the early 90's (and i think my Punk friends mutually thought so as well).

kaya i can really relate to Greenday... i guess i felt the same way when they were booted out of the Gilman street.    

It's basically the same as the Seattle Scene hating the Global Juggernaut of Grunge... they think its a misinterpretation of the "Seattle Scene" which is Punk Inspired

 

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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2009, 03:36:33 PM »
^When you start really thinking about it, that happens to every scene actually. Kahit naman nung early punk era, they had problems with bands signing up under major labels. We have our Yoko too, Nancy Spungen who allegedly killed Sid Vicious (well they concluded that it was his Mom but Nancy was the one who got him involved with drugs and made the "sell-out Sid"). So yeah, punk is punk whatever happens. The nature of being non-conformists and anarchists is what matters. Even if we have these capitalists being so desperate to squeeze profit from any form of ideologies and make people like the non-conformists, it's not a tragic tale really because it happens a lot. I do get your point though.:)

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2009, 05:07:29 PM »
Ayus...let's all enjoy Punk Rock Music...weeeee....
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2009, 05:47:47 PM »
Well Billy Joe didnt exactly help in the 'not selling out o punk department', selling out stadiums in front of kids with their moms and dads isnt really punk for me. I mean he can say whatever he likes but at the end of the day to me hes just a dollar faced bastard who cashed-in on the unpopularity of the Iraq war and Bush. Johnny Cash was more punk than Billy boy could ever hope to be.

To me punk(the movement that started in 76 if you wanna be politically correct about it) is dead, it died in 84.
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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2009, 06:00:23 PM »
well, to begin with.. the word "Punk" came from a magazine. those who are labeled Punk Rockers nowadays or even after the word evolved were just ordinary bands doing their own things, playing their original songs, giving out a look, streaming their attitude, spiked hair was caused by perspiration, ripped clothing with safety pins were there to hold the clothes itself, three cord progression was the easiest way back when to create music and to get into a bar to play originals... and so on.. now, if it's a lifestyle, he'd be in the streets sleeping on slums or even get jailed, that's a Punk.. an attitude that asks "whatta you got? huh?"..

Punk Magazine was started by people who goes to CBGB and listen to bands like the Ramones, Blonde, Velvet Underground, Television, the New York Dolls etc.. which happens to be the Artists na laman din nun magasin. now as people are becoming fans and also who are buying the print, the regular artists' ROCK in CBGB are being labeled as "PUNK", thus, Punk Rock. at first the Ramones was not ok with the idea of them as Punk Rock, as well as the other bands..

check: http://www.punkmagazine.com/vault/back_issues/01/01index.html

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PUNK magazine was a fanzine created by cartoonist John Holmstrom, publisher Ged Dunn and "resident punk" Legs McNeil in 1975, and was the first publication in the world to popularize the CBGB scene. Also, its use of "punk rock," coined by writers for Creem magazine a few years earlier, led to the term's worldwide acceptance as the definition for the new bands that were producing a new sound based on the music of The Stooges, the New York Dolls, the MC5, and the Ramones.

Punk published a total of 15 issues between 1976 and 1979, as well as a special issue in 1981 (The D.O.A. Filmbook), and several more issues in the new millennium.

Covers featured such artists as Sex Pistols, Iggy Pop, Lou Reed, Patti Smith and Blondie. Punk magazine was home to many future talents, many of whom were published for the first time in its pages, such as Mary Harron, Roberta Bayley, David Godlis, Robert Romagnoli, Steve Taylor, Lester Bangs, Bob Gruen, Pam Brown, Buz Vaultz, Anya Phillips, and Screaming Mad George. Punk was an early breeding ground for female writers, artists and photographers, who had been shut out of the mostly-male underground publishing scene of the 1960s.

The magazine staff went through many changes during those years, as a result Ged Dunn left in early 1977 and McNeil quit shortly afterwards. Additions to the staff include Bruce Carleton (art director from 1977-1979), Ken Weiner (frequent contributor from 1977-1979), and Elin Wilder, one of the few African Americans to enjoy a role in the early CBGB/punk rock scene.

Punk was a vehicle for discussing and examining the underground music scene in New York, primarily what would be called punk rock. The music was exemplified by bands and performers like The Ramones and The Dictators. The music was played in clubs like CBGB, Zeppz, and Max's Kansas City. It mixed Mad Magazine-style cartooning by the likes of Holstrom and a young Peter Bagge with the more straightforward pop journalism of the kind found in Creem.

In 2001 Punk was re-launched, but the events on 9/11 set back the plans for a relaunch. In 2006 the magazine was revived, and current issues are still being published.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_%28magazine%29


so, goin back.. what Punk lifestyle? maybe, Punk Attitude..

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The pop punk style emerged at the onset of punk rock around 1974, with the Ramones; however, it was not considered a separate subgenre until later. The Ramones' loud and fast melodic minimalism differentiated them from other bands in New York City's budding art rock scene. Protopunk and power pop bands had also helped lay the groundwork for the pop punk sound. An early use of the term pop punk appeared in a 1977 New York Times article, Cabaret: Tom Petty's Pop Punk Rock Evokes Sounds of 60's. By 1977, punk rock had already become a much more active and concentrated movement in the United Kingdom than in New York City. Buzzcocks, Generation X, 999, The Jam, The Rezillos, The Lurkers, The Undertones, and The Shapes featured catchy melodies and lyrics that sometimes dealt with relatively light themes such as teenage romance. Many mod revival bands also displayed pop punk leanings.

By 1981, hardcore punk had emerged in the United States, with louder, faster music than punk bands. Vocal harmony, melodic instrumentation and 4/4 drumming were replaced with shouting, discordant instrumentation, and experimental rhythms. A few bands, such as Descendents and The Vandals, began to combine hardcore with pop music to create a new, faster pop punk sound, sometimes referred to as popcore (or skatecore). Their positive yet sarcastic approach began to separate them from the more serious hardcore scene. The term pop punk was used in the 1980s, in publications such as Maximum RocknRoll, to describe bands similar to Social Distortion, Agent Orange, and TSOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_punk

true with that idea the old-school punk rockers will butcher pop-punkers kasi hindi hindi naman pure 'old-school punk' and pop punk.. when i was in highschool noon 1985, i saw the real-punk-rock-old-school-oi- punkers, and mabigat men.. mabigat..

i believe that as time goes, generations pass, all genres evolve, transform into something up-to-date-with-generation. and doing music and labeling ourselves as Pop Punk is a choice, and we think if we intend to go Pure Old School Oi Punk, i'd do the genre and call ourselves as purists or Punk talaga diba..

i was born in 1970. kinda 'tanders' to do pop punk, mas lalo na Harcore.. but as the 'pop-punk' genre goes, it's fun, exciting and masarap tugtugin..
kaya di ako nag pure Punk/Harcore Punk kasi, mahirap na eh.. hindi naman ako astig, i just love the 3 to 4 chord riffs, the skinny jeans, narrow necktie and sneakers. minsan naman as modern as the time is.. thrasher look..

my brothers, this is the Punk Guitar thread. welcome lahat nang forms of 'evolved' punk rock.. roots naman nito lahat is what was called "PUNK ROCK".


watch 'Punk Attitude Documentary', i hope that helps with tracing back one of our roots..
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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2009, 07:07:25 PM »
Even the things I read in "Please Kill Me" by Legs McNeil seems to say that the people who invented "Punk" weren't even aware or intended to make it into a genre or movement. (much like other genres i guess.)

Proto-punk bands like MC5 and the New York Dolls both paved the way for punks to come, both musically and aesthetically. I guess when Malcolm McLaren decided to cash in on this fad he was in the right place at the right time.

This thread doesn't sound very guitar-oriented anymore, lol. Maybe we should have this moved?  :lol:

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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2009, 07:37:23 PM »
later on, after discussing the roots of our Genre, lets talk about how and what gears they use... ;-)

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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2009, 01:50:53 AM »
Punk Guitar is basically Plug n Play.... any guitar through an overdriven amp will do it for me

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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2009, 03:08:49 AM »
Me too bro, specially pag maganda ang amp.

But since my Band does a sub-genre,  my gear is usually a:
single-bridge-pup strat>SD-1 modded>HardWire TL-2>Flanger>Delay>Amp.. to add extra fun and color for our originals..

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sa wakas punks arised,hehehe....i'm not into mohawk and studs and i've never been into a punk gig like Brave New World pero mga tsong i love the music and the culture, i started listening to The Offspring,Greenday,and The Wuds when i was in high school,and when i'm in college i discovered The Clash,and Ramones,ok ung music,siguro para sa iba sloppy pero para sa akin its a music with a soul...
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Share ko lng mga bossing, gear ni Eric Melvin ng NoFX


at pedal board...ehehehe...
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sa wakas punks arised,hehehe....i'm not into mohawk and studs and i've never been into a punk gig like Brave New World pero mga tsong i love the music and the culture, i started listening to The Offspring,Greenday,and The Wuds when i was in high school,and when i'm in college i discovered The Clash,and Ramones,ok ung music,siguro para sa iba sloppy pero para sa akin its a music with a soul...

i believe totoo nga ang kasabihan:

"PUNK'S NOT DEAD!"

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may nag-email sakin nito.. mga brad & sis.. what can you say? kainis!

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may nag-email sakin nito.. mga brad & sis.. what can you say? kainis!

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/getback/144976/hot-topic-punks-in-a-fake-punk-world/

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sa wakas punks arised,hehehe....i'm not into mohawk and studs and i've never been into a punk gig like Brave New World pero mga tsong i love the music and the culture, i started listening to The Offspring,Greenday,and The Wuds when i was in high school,and when i'm in college i discovered The Clash,and Ramones,ok ung music,siguro para sa iba sloppy pero para sa akin its a music with a soul...

Punk rock really does ooze soul. With punk, you get the raw, bare expression of music without all the self-indulgent prog-rock opuses and virtuosity, and a lot of the time, even without the sound quality. But the soul is there, the spirit, and that's what matters most to me.

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Punk rock really does ooze soul. With punk, you get the raw, bare expression of music without all the self-indulgent prog-rock opuses and virtuosity, and a lot of the time, even without the sound quality. But the soul is there, the spirit, and that's what matters most to me.

...and Punk Rock is the Rebirth of Rock n' Roll...
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@the_nong, this is what I call punks  :-D


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