True Acoustic Tone

[GGBR]

yes sir, JB/salonga ang distributor.  hangang sa ganung price range lang ako sir. di kaya yung AER. i won't bother trying them out kasi tutulo lang laway ko, at iiyak dahil walang pambili. ehehehe.[/quote]

Oo nga eh, medyo di ka na kakain ng ilang buwan kung pagiipunan yung AER. Eh yung Alpha, magkano na ba? baka pwede mo pang pagipunan. Dahil talgang sa experience ko sa gamit sa mga live performances, yung Compact 60 kahit sa room na may 200 katao, sumisgaw sya at walang paos!! Tatlo kasi yung galing sa JB - alpha , compact 60 at acousticube at walang sisi. Yun lang medyo gutom talaga kung pupursigihin mo ang magandang tono. Di ko alam ang Laney sa acoustic kasi, ang mga Laney gamit namin ay puro de tubong pang lead kasi kay di ko alam pag sa acoustic. oo nga pala subukan mo ring yung Elliot na acoustic. Oo nga pala magada rin yung acoustic ng Crate dalhil subok namin yung 2 models nya. Ewan lang kung meron ang JB ng Crate acoustic.

[tuyuta]

pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.

[GGBR]

pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.

NGAYON KO LANG NAALALA TUYUTA. GO TO AUDIOPHILE AND ASK ABOUT THE HARTKE ACOUSTIC AMP. P17K LANG ATA AND IT'S 75 WATTS!! ETO NAKITA KO ON THE WEB AT NGAYON KO LANG NA REMEMBER. I WAS IN AUDIOPHILES MAIN STORE IN PACO ABOUT A MONTHA GO AT BAGONG DATING LANG ITONG HARTKE ACOUSTI NILA. MURA PA!

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[GGBR]

pinaka mura yung alpha, nasa 51K.  and walang crate ang JB.  very limiting talaga ang budget. ehehehe.

Sorry Tuyuta, Audiophile's price for the Hartke AC75 (75 watts) is P24K less 8% bout P21K. The AC150 (150 watts) is P31K less pa.[/size]

[tuyuta]

yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos

[GGBR]

yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos

di ko alam ang sound ng Laney acoustic, but if the sound of the HArtke 75 will be much more pleasing to you and talagang mas hihigit sa Laney, postpone mo na lang yung pagbili mo hanggang makaipon ka ng addtional 6k pa para dun sa Hartke. In the end, sa pag tiis mo, mas satisfied ka rin....kunting panahon na lang yan....at di gaanong tataas ang dollar na kaya di ko expected na tataas pa ang price ng mga imports. besides, di gaanong maraming mga bumibili ng acoustic amps...remember price is a function of demand!!

PS---di ako rep ng AP hah! kaibigan ko lang sila....

[farseer]

pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.

The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice

[farseer]

checked out the vids on his site.... what can i say??? great choice... 

farseer - Andrew is a really nice guy. I stopped by his shop while I was out east late last year to check out his guitars. I had heard of him before but had never played his guitars. I really favor mahogany/ cedar guitars and explained to him what tone I was really interested in a guitar. The dude didn't have a mahogany based guitar on hand but mentioned that he knew he had one in a shop in Cincinnati that fit my model of choice-the F4. The guy pulled the guitar out from the Ohio dealer's inventory and had it in his shop in a few days for me to try out. The shape of his guitars are unique and comfortable but what got me was the volume and the response to a player's dynamic. I have a very percussive fingerstyle playing method and his pieces fit me to a tee.

hope i could try one of his guitars someday... ganda ng tone

[abyssinianson]

The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice

it is. small too. the unit does not have too many frills and gadgets but i prefer my amplification clean anyway. the only time i ever use effects for acoustic is when i need a bit of delay or flange for specific song passages. inside a small cafe or jazz bar, the AER 60 is more than adequate.

andrew white's guitars are really nice. i do a lot of fingerstyle stuff and his guitars really fit my playing style well. its good to know that i will have something else to play and rotate for gigs other than my Alvarez Yairi guitars because I'd hate to really subject them too much to travel in the winter time.

[schnitzerz4]

guys naririnig ko nga itong small cube na AER the best daw sabi ng JB okay nga ba sya? 40K plus eh hehehe mahal pa sa Marshall acoustic amp na nakadisplay sa pitch parksquare din =)

[tuyuta]

yes sir, yung brown/gold hartke. nung nalaman ko yung price, nawala na interest ko. ehehehe.

salamats sa infos

di ko alam ang sound ng Laney acoustic, but if the sound of the HArtke 75 will be much more pleasing to you and talagang mas hihigit sa Laney, postpone mo na lang yung pagbili mo hanggang makaipon ka ng addtional 6k pa para dun sa Hartke. In the end, sa pag tiis mo, mas satisfied ka rin....kunting panahon na lang yan....at di gaanong tataas ang dollar na kaya di ko expected na tataas pa ang price ng mga imports. besides, di gaanong maraming mga bumibili ng acoustic amps...remember price is a function of demand!!

PS---di ako rep ng AP hah! kaibigan ko lang sila....

price diff of P7.7K to be exact sir. tempting, pero ang hirap ijustify yung ganung amount. bahala na. i'm gonna buy pagkapanganak ni misis this july. kung magkano matitira. ehehehe.

i'm wondering why acoustic amps use 5"-8" woofers. i'm thinking is it because of fidelity? my HT uses 6.5" woofers only. boomy na yung 8" up. though i use a 10" subwoofer. is this the same sa principle ng amp-making ng acoustic? kaya ba 5" yung hartke ac75 & ac150?

salamats

[GGBR]

price diff of P7.7K to be exact sir. tempting, pero ang hirap ijustify yung ganung amount. bahala na. i'm gonna buy pagkapanganak ni misis this july. kung magkano matitira. ehehehe.

i'm wondering why acoustic amps use 5"-8" woofers. i'm thinking is it because of fidelity? my HT uses 6.5" woofers only. boomy na yung 8" up. though i use a 10" subwoofer. is this the same sa principle ng amp-making ng acoustic? kaya ba 5" yung hartke ac75 & ac150?

salamats
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Naku Tutyuta, pamilyado ka pala! Eh unless(!!) ito ay isang investment (gagamitin para kumita, ma roll mo for increasing current level of income) then go for it BUT kung luho lang eh mukhang dapat mo munang isipin ng Xs bese bago laanan ng PPPs. Eh manganganak pala misis mo. Daming reponsibilidad yan. Just a word to make you reasses your finances & of course yung sitwaysyon mo. Baka maging source of marital distress at conflict itong pagbili mo kung sakaling alangan.. Marami pa namang kasi lalabas na mga bagong produkto dyan. Alam mo na man na lahat ito ay marketing ng mga Kano!! Wag ka madali, marami pa dyan.

Now, reagrding use of 8" for such amplification, di ko alam ang rason talga. It could be the economies of scale in terms of serial production in factories, it could be a design advantage so that maging compact nga yung Compact 60 at Alpha. It could also be acoustic, dahil napupuna ko na ang mga near-field monitors mga 8" ata ginagamit. At ang 8" na yan ay full range driver. Baka rin dahil sa dapat mas warm ang tunog. Baka rather than using small tweeters matched with a large subs (12"-15") which may not do justice to the supposed warmer harmonics of producing 'woodsy" sounds. I know that small drivers (1"-2") produce sharp sounds so baka di maganda sa acoustic. I am not certain if the AER amps use the AER line of speakers which are made in Stuttgart, WG. Mahal ang mga 8" driver nun upwards of $1K each!! And are employed in home audiophiles sytems.  We also use the AERs for the electric violin (compact 60) & the 'silent' cello (acousticube). If you can get the Crate nga pala, I remember that it was going for about P13-17K when we got those about 3 yrs ago. I'm sure di pa nagtaas yun. Maganda rin tunog nung Crate at meron pa syang 4 or 5-band EQ.

There is another brand of excellent acoustic speakers & as well as combos for acoustics. Medyo hi-end rin sya. Brand is Daedalus. Yung pinaka flagship nilang baffle (1203 ata??) has (if I recall correctly)  1x 1-.25" fabric dome tweeter made by Vifa, 2x 5" mid/sub driver (custom-made in the US by I'don't know for Daedalus) and 2x 12" sub by Emminence Omega Pro. Daedalus is geared for reproducing accurate acoustic music. Read up on them as you may find out the reasons for using certain sized drivers for specific applications. Also go to the Emminence site which can even help you design the driver enclosure with their volume calculator for specific driver's specs.Kung ako saiyo mag project ka at maghanap ka nung mga lumang di-tubong amps!! bumuo ka ng system mo, slow but maganda! Patience ang puhunan mo dito. I can refer you to mga local geniuses who reproduce those venerable tube amps.

Bumili ka ng acoustic preamp at maghanap ka ng lumag de-tubong amp (50 watts) then into a JBL baffle. OR get a good acoustic preamp, then directly plug into a powered baffle such as the Mackie SRMs or JBL EONS or mas mura pang B3s or Behringers. Ang Behringers ay dito lahat denedesign sa Salcedo village ng ating mga magagaling na Pinoy EEs!!! SA China ang pagawaan. Pero dito ang mga utak!!!

[deltaslim]

medyo OT but potentially useful info:  i'm thinking of selling my Marshall AS100D acoustic amp.  it may be another option you could explore.  it's loaded with features and sounds good and loud.  feel free to try (West Fairview, QC).  PM me or txt 09178473047 if interested. 

sorry... now back to regular programming...

[quiverpool]

pede bang maisingit ang acoustic amps dito?

i'm thinking of buying either an ibanez troubador TA35(35w, 1x10", 13Kless5%), or a laney LA65C(65w, 2x8", 17Kless20%). i've only tried the TA20 version (wala yung TA35 that time), ok sya para sakin. but the laney have more power, and both amps have good reviews sa harmony. mag sched din ako to test the laney. pero baka may mga naka try na sa inyo.

maraming salamats

i currently use an AER compact 60 for solo acoustic gigs. I like them.

The aer 60 is really solid... first time ive tried one, was surprised how loud and clear it sounded... very nice

I can attest to the power of the AER compact 60... if you are buying an AER go for the compact 60 kasi meron 2nd channel for mic or another guitar... kung medyo out of reach.. yung Ultrasound maganda 'daw'.

[GGBR]

buti youre also an acoustic enthusiast... lately nababaon nalang tong thread na to

Yeah, kanya kanya lang talaga yan... ive tried some goodalls, collings, and lowdens... i fell in love w/ a jumbo goodall w/ maple body, napaka mahal lang... to my ears my guild 70' f50 is at par w/ it , among the lowdens naman i was impressed w/ the cheaper cedar topped jumbo mahogany... the collings are great, mas kadikit ang martins, but their dreads seem to be more open sounding and their om naman are very focused... yun santa cruz, more balanced... very light yun built, but comparing it w/ a similar martin, mas maliit ang headroom ng scgc... may zing factor din ang scgc, very balance...

I am certain that you travel to the US and would do so to CA. When you do, I strongly suggest that you drop by an EXCELLENT guitar shop (founded by musicians & luthiers - FRANK FORD!!) named Gryphon Stringed Instruments. It's very near our place & so is conveniently accessible. Their segmentation is acoustic and the employees (I believe almost ALL of them) are active musicians employing products they merchandise. It was from them that I learned of the AER. Visit their website and from the inventory, you will be able to glean why I comment as such. They KNOW their stuff, and are not into just lip service. If you have any acoustic modifications, repairs or installations, I would not hesitate to bring it to them. Experts to-the-word!

There is another (truly a PRO) luthier/repair in the middle of San Fo who maintains Joe S's guitars and used to for alive Gerry Garcia, another shop that I WOULD DEFINITELY recommend to you. It's rather hidden but well know among the pros. I purchased a few items from him and he would replace anything without any question. He/they referred me to Richard Mclish (RMC), Oakland (or Berkeley, if I remember correctly) supplier of Godin and other known makers with pickups employed separately for each string (useful for Midi/synth outs). If you so decide to visit San Fo, I can send you his business card as I have a dozen to give out to clients who would be able to use his services. Richard McLish trusts him alone to install RMC/polydrive system on acoustics. (though kalimutan mo itong system for any acoustic, di maganda ang tunog , your better off with - 1) K & K westerns for steel, classics for nylon 2) B-band, 3) Highlander IP series 4) LR Baggs 5) AER AK-15...  or if you prefer micing, use the AKG 416 series, Joe Mills or if you are willing to spend(!) then use DPA (from Denmark, it was Patti Andres who introduced me to this mic, it's her standard vocal mic for performances).

If you want to spend on a preamp, definitely go for the PENDULUM SPS-1 nothing beats this (AT THIS MOMENT), use a TC Electronic efx or (if you have more money a Helicon would be fine). Feed into a Lab Gruppen power amp  then into a speaker box (say Daedalus!  ). James Taylor, Al Petteway, Will Ackerman & co will envy you!!! And use ZAOLLA OR LAVA (POUNDACKE REMINDED ME OF THIS BRAND, OUTRAGEOUSLY OUTRAGEOUS IN PRICE) CABLES ....  But seriously Mogami should be excellent, I gifted some musician (pro) friends and they never went back to they old from-the-shops cables.

[Poundcake]

POUND & K,

Here's an acoustic archtop; hand-made; solid spruce top (don't know if its' Sitka or Engelmann); edge bound with flame maple; sides & back flame maple with paua inlay's, scratch plate, bridge are Gabon Ebony with paua inlays; fingerboards, headplates are paua inlaid & bound; neck is maple as well;

Again, this is a master luthier's workmanship. Just from the photo (taken in his house in West LA) you can already see the level of workmanship that this Django-inspired piece exudes. Archtops are usually higher priced than acoustic flatops; some tops are hand-carved from a single solid piece of spruce or maple. Archtops must have been violin-inspired.







paua inlays on the back with a honey (tobaco?) color








HAND-MADE OR FACTORY CHURNED??

oh my goodness... KILLER guitar!!! i wish i could try one of his works...

[farseer]

errr.... another acoustic



Lowden F32

[GGBR]

errr.... another acoustic
Lowden F32

AAAAHHHH!!! (not errr...) A not very commercial but excellent luthier... Lowden. His protege McIlroy (was in charge of his production) who works out of Ireland is now already commanding DOUBLE for his own signature guitars about $4k per from just about $1.9-2+ a few months back!!

That piece looks like it is IRW for back & sides; Cedar (or Spruce?- he uses Swiss Spruce as soundboard). It does not appear dark enough to be cedar.

I doubt if anybody else would have one in the country. It must sound great!! And should "outsound" the higher-end series of Martin and Taylor anytime!!

[farseer]

BB has a lowden too... O12 model if my memory serves me right... i tested several lowdens several years ago and was very much impresed... just very expensive, cheapest model (O12 i think... cedar/mahogany) was around 130k pesos... Im lucky to get this used F32 at a nice price... but i still prefer those O12s though....

[farseer]

BTW, top is cedar... medyo bright lang pagkakuha ko

[GGBR]

BB has a lowden too... O12 model if my memory serves me right... i tested several lowdens several years ago and was very much impresed... just very expensive, cheapest model (O12 i think... cedar/mahogany) was around 130k pesos... Im lucky to get this used F32 at a nice price... but i still prefer those O12s though....

Am not acquainted as to hu BB is. I am not really knowlegeable on Lowdens except for his fame amongst well-known acoustic artists who employ his works. And their testimonies of his pieces are nothing less than of praise.
P130 should not be expensive for a hand-made piece vs. the $2k-3k factory-made from the known factories.

That will exceed the sound of any high-end factory-made ones surely! One will EASILY tell the difference of a master luthier's work from that of a factory, both in sound and feel!

[GGBR]

BTW, top is cedar... medyo bright lang pagkakuha ko

Owning a Lowden reveals that you know REAL acoutic guitars, it would be presumable that you would stretch investment in your hobby to even more 'exotic' purchases...

You may like to try looking into the luthiers admired by fellow master luthiers; in the following order (I doubt if you can get your order out within 5 years) here goes -

     1) Ervin Somogyi (of Russian origin)
     2) Kim Walker
     3) Boaz Alkhayam (Israeli)

and for excellence in structure/construction - McPherson guitars. - this luthier, I believe was employed as a structural engr as was Ryan Kevin (aero engineer(?))

goes without saying - unparalleled sound!

[abyssinianson]

anyone play or into Michael Greenfield guitars? I've played one of his guitars, a G2, and I fell in love with it - amazing tone. I fingerpick a lot and the guitar lends itself well to fingerpickers as well flatpickers. If I were to pick up another acoustic, a Greenfield would be my first choice.

[farseer]

Am not acquainted as to hu BB is. I am not really knowlegeable on Lowdens except for his fame amongst well-known acoustic artists who employ his works. And their testimonies of his pieces are nothing less than of praise.
P130 should not be expensive for a hand-made piece vs. the $2k-3k factory-made from the known factories.

That will exceed the sound of any high-end factory-made ones surely! One will EASILY tell the difference of a master luthier's work from that of a factory, both in sound and feel!

The lowden is really special... sweet sounding, and articulate... but i also like my martin D41 w/ its boomy/bassy tone... so it all boils down to preference... and mood

[farseer]

Owning a Lowden reveals that you know REAL acoutic guitars, it would be presumable that you would stretch investment in your hobby to even more 'exotic' purchases...

You may like to try looking into the luthiers admired by fellow master luthiers; in the following order (I doubt if you can get your order out within 5 years) here goes -

     1) Ervin Somogyi (of Russian origin)
     2) Kim Walker
     3) Boaz Alkhayam (Israeli)

and for excellence in structure/construction - McPherson guitars. - this luthier, I believe was employed as a structural

engr as was Ryan Kevin (aero engineer(?))

goes without saying - unparalleled sound!

These are expensive... wala pa ako sa ganyan level... i might get a collings, goodall, merrill or a froggy next...  and maybe pag nanalo sa lotto try some olsons, kevin ryans and other master luthiers that you mentioned... you are lucky exposed ka sa high end stuff...