Ang lalakas pumalo ng mga PINOY!! Let's settle the Issue.......

[drumster]

Other than Kenny Aronoff, there are many more examples...  There's Travis Barker (I'm sure everybody here has seen his Soulja Boy Remix clip), Virgil Donati (yeah I think he's quite a hard hitter too; yet he plays with care and finesse), the late great John Bonham (who was said to be blacklisted on several clubs in England during his early playing days due to his high volume), Dave Grohl (especially during his Nirvana days), Neil Peart (during his younger, pre-Freddie Gruber days), Matt Sorum, Brad Wilk...  I even saw footages of Vinnie Colaiuta really wailing on his cymbals.  The list can go on and on.....

Yet, there's something common about the drummers I mentioned...  They are aware of their dynamics, and they seem to know which is dynamically appropriate for the music they're playing.  Even if their volume can go overboard at times, it's still going to be quality sound and performance.

Quality...  Another very important factor we should be aware of.

[chengbang69]

fingers + wrist best combo para sa mahinang pag hampas

[intake]

oh and i have to add...yung mga nasa gospel chops! di pa ba malakas yun?? 
naaalala ko dati nung natingin ako ng gear sa guitar center, may black kid dun na tumutugtog sa Yamaha manu katche kit, grabe ang lakas ang palo! ang tugtog niya nun gospel din, pinatigil na siya nung isang employee dun kahit na hindi pa nalagpas ng 5 mins. yung play time niya (may 5 minute limit dito eh)

[drumster]

Bro intake, siguro kasing-lakas yon ng paghampas ng matabang bata sa avatar mo hehe! 

In that case, physical factors are involved.  There are some drummers who seem to be too physical with their playing, it comes to a point where in it's not healthy anymore for the music, for the equipment, and most especially for our ears.  Plus, playing too hard or too tensioned can more likely cause an injury, which may become a threat for us to discontinue drumming (scary thought).

We should keep in mind that we do not need to overdo ourselves by playing physically hard all the time.  But if we want to sound louder, we shouldn't bash the drumkit.  Instead, invest on equipment which are designed for high volume levels.  And when we're in a live setting, let the mics and the sound system help us project our sound.  Let our equipment help us do the work. 

[el Brutal]

si dennis chambers pa!

[4pedz]

si dennis chambers pa!

hahaha, one of my idols!!! hehehe


pero may dynamics naman siya a? i mean, nilalakasan nya palo nya pag kelangan, yun nga lang, mahilig siya mag drums solo, may vid ako napanood, wala nagawa yung guitaris chka yung pianist, kasi ang tagal niya matapos, hehehe

[el Brutal]

hahaha, one of my idols!!! hehehe


pero may dynamics naman siya a? i mean, nilalakasan nya palo nya pag kelangan, yun nga lang, mahilig siya mag drums solo, may vid ako napanood, wala nagawa yung guitaris chka yung pianist, kasi ang tagal niya matapos, hehehe

exactly! hahaha..

[nikogulo]

Bro intake, siguro kasing-lakas yon ng paghampas ng matabang bata sa avatar mo hehe! 

In that case, physical factors are involved.  There are some drummers who seem to be too physical with their playing, it comes to a point where in it's not healthy anymore for the music, for the equipment, and most especially for our ears.  Plus, playing too hard or too tensioned can more likely cause an injury, which may become a threat for us to discontinue drumming (scary thought).

We should keep in mind that we do not need to overdo ourselves by playing physically hard all the time.  But if we want to sound louder, we shouldn't bash the drumkit.  Instead, invest on equipment which are designed for high volume levels.  And when we're in a live setting, let the mics and the sound system help us project our sound.  Let our equipment help us do the work. 

before playing take time to stretch and warm up. your body will thank you for this and it will avoid injury. i confess i play loud, but I always take time to warm up and stretch. by the way if you have the MODERN DRUMMER Feb 1997 issue, Danny Carey yung cover, there's an article there "HOW TO PLAY LOUD"! Ive been reading this ever since and sharing the article with players who play loud...

 

[drummerboy827]

You mentioned that the bassist has played with VARIOUS artists. He could have gotten used to hearing and playing with such great foreign drummers with complete finesse and skill that not all drummers have.

Its normal to have that kind of reaction. In an unfamiliar environment, you criticize your surroundings. Baka nasanay na siya sa magagaling talaga, nanibago siya sa tunog ng mga pinoy.

Anyway, its really important to practice dynamics.

 

[abyssinianson]

I got the Chance to play with the country's bass legend last Sunday. He's Mr Colby dela Calzada. He played with various artists like Kevin Lettau, Affinity and many others. Ngayon he said one thing that got my attention. Ang lalakas daw tumugtog ng mga drummer na pinoy. Kasi Drum is almost 100% acoustic instruments that depends on the room's acoustics so he's expecting the drummer should have his own "mixer". Mixer meaning he can adjust his volume. Reklamo daw kasi ng mga drummers pag humina sila eh nawawala yung feel. Actually yun ren reklamo ko if someone asks me to tone down. He also commented one time when TOTO guested in ABSCBN and heard the sessionist playing, Toto said "They're the loudest band we've ever heard".

So ito na lang, Are we too loud? And Foreign drummers are "laid back"?
I need people who somehow watched/opened for/knew a foreign drummer.

Salamat!!

you don't need to hit the drums hard to be a good drummer. louder isn't necessarily better - the guy just happens to hit the same notes harder than other drummers. no big deal.

[toybitz]

matt cameron doesn't just play loud, he hits hard.

napapatalon pa siya sa throne niya kapag magcracrash na and you can see his jaw contracting sa gigil! hahaha!

I wonder how he maintains his body.  Hitting hard all the time has its setbacks like swollen muscles, large blisters, broken new cymbals and sticks and broken bones.

[intake]

Bro intake, siguro kasing-lakas yon ng paghampas ng matabang bata sa avatar mo hehe! 
 

OT: naalala ko si lil' Nick Smith dun sa batang yun, hawig yung style nila! 
to add up, wala pa akong nakitang african american na tumugtog ng mahina sa guitar center..i guess yun ang trademark nila when it comes to playing the drums? or majority lang talaga sa mga african american drummers ganun ang style?

ninja edit!

mabibilang lang natin yung mga african american drummers na mahina tumugtog eh (i.e. yan si Steve Jordan, Jack Dejohnette, Tony Williams?)

[mondi99060451]

OT: naalala ko si lil' Nick Smith dun sa batang yun, hawig yung style nila! 
to add up, wala pa akong nakitang african american na tumugtog ng mahina sa guitar center..i guess yun ang trademark nila when it comes to playing the drums?

sama mo na jan yung groove ng mga african american drummers... kakaibang feel!

[bongraider]

in general matindi talaga pumalo ang pinoy although based on experience lang kasi wala pa naman akong nakakabandang foreigner hahaha. our drummer is a loud mofo, he cant even hear my guitars even though im using a Marshall half stack about ten feet away from him. and its pointed straight at him!

tama talaga na may dynamics dapat, at hindi puro palo like theres no tomorrow. kung ganun, mag triggers ka nalang.

its ironic nga kasi dapat ang mga pinoy ang dapat mag tone down sa playing volume kasi di lahat nakakaaford ng amps and PAs and monitors that allow them to hear what is playing.

[4pedz]

in general matindi talaga pumalo ang pinoy although based on experience lang kasi wala pa naman akong nakakabandang foreigner hahaha. our drummer is a loud mofo, he cant even hear my guitars even though im using a Marshall half stack about ten feet away from him. and its pointed straight at him!

tama talaga na may dynamics dapat, at hindi puro palo like theres no tomorrow. kung ganun, mag triggers ka nalang.

its ironic nga kasi dapat ang mga pinoy ang dapat mag tone down sa playing volume kasi di lahat nakakaaford ng amps and PAs and monitors that allow them to hear what is playing.

bro, not only pinoy drummers, pati foreigners, basa ka po ng mga posts na nauna

[bongraider]

like i said, i can never really vouch for the playing of foreigners coz ive never had a foreigner bandmate. but i have played with lots of pinoy drummers and ang generalization ko is that as far as those i have played with, medyo malakas talaga humatak. me iba na wala nang pacing so madaling napapagod kaya minsan rumarampa ang tempo. of course, di naman ako professional musician so POV ko lang to. tsaka how many times have i seen a drum kit being held in place by a fellow musician or band crew dito sa pinas samantalang di pa ko nakakita kahit sa indie gigs na may ganun sa iba.

[abyssinianson]

bro, not only pinoy drummers, pati foreigners, basa ka po ng mga posts na nauna

exactly. i don't know what the big deal is.

[niNgpo]

may problema talaga ako sa dynamics...
napansin ko pag bumibilis na kanta lalo ako nagiging maingay
at iisa lang daw lakas ng palo ko...

[RazeLJoeY]

may problema talaga ako sa dynamics...
napansin ko pag bumibilis na kanta lalo ako nagiging maingay
at iisa lang daw lakas ng palo ko...

parehas tayo...pero sa practice lang ako ganto...nakakadala kasi e...hhehe...

[niNgpo]

parehas tayo...pero sa practice lang ako ganto...nakakadala kasi e...hhehe...

AKO KAHIT SAAN!! kasi eh la ako drumset... tsaka di maka studio walang practice...

[xalanx]

There's a fine line between playing loudly and playing with force.

One good example I can think of is Benjie Mendez.  Frankly, he has the tendency to play with loud volume.  Yet, he knows how to hit things.  He just doesn't bash on the drums and cymbals.  I've observed that he knows how to get the most out of the instruments' sounds.  He plays at the right spot, and he is very aware of his dynamics.  He remains plays loudly only during the right moment.  Yet, his playing musical.

I think the problem is when loudness becomes non-musical.  Instead of music, it gets classified as noise.

I guess it also comes with experience.  It also depends on the style of music.  We should develop the ability to gauge our volume limits.  Though I believe that we can still play softly without compromising the feel.  


Personally, I don't want to generalize Pinoy drummers as loud drummers, compared to our foreign counterparts.

I agree!...check this out

feature=related I think this is one of the best example that a drummer needs to have. the laidback groove and the feel..bilib ako sa dynamics ni bagets dito...

[4pedz]

sigurado ba kayo na sa paluan lang malakas ang mga pinoy?

naughty side of the brain!


hahahahaha

[mondi99060451]

I agree!...check this out

feature=related I think this is one of the best example that a drummer needs to have. the laidback groove and the feel..bilib ako sa dynamics ni bagets dito...

mismo! oi papa alan, absent lang ah... miss ka na naming lahat... [pichapie] na kami lahat...

[xalanx]

ganda ng thread na to!...mismo nga yung palo na yun!....muztah bro? medyo busy lang ngayon kaya di makapagjam..bale next hopefully maayos na sked ko...kitakits!...

[intake]

OT: sa dami nung vids ni pido nag subscribe nako dun sa nag upload!  may iba pa siyang vid dun na kasama ibang banda..

yung ginawa niya sa City Love....shocker!!