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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: Phil on January 28, 2006, 01:14:28 AM
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How do you do it....I tried loosening all strings..that plastic saddle thing came of....now what? HELP :cry:
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Ano ba gusto mong gawin? Itaas ang action o ibaba?
To raise action cut a small strip of cardboard o yung mga spam credit cards na pinapadala sa yo. Cut it the same witdh and length as the bridge slot. Ipasok mo yun then put your bridge back in. That will act as a shim.
To lower the action: On a flat surface maglatag ka ng fine grit na sand paper tapos slide the bottom part of the bridge until you sanded down the amount of material you want to be taken off. Better have a spare bridge if you'll do this. :D
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Also... pag nakuha mo na ang tamang height ng nut use Elmer's Glue to keep the nut in place. Make sure to clean the excess glue off.
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Ano ba gusto mong gawin? Itaas ang action o ibaba?
To raise action cut a small strip of cardboard o yung mga spam credit cards na pinapadala sa yo. Cut it the same witdh and length as the bridge slot. Ipasok mo yun then put your bridge back in. That will act as a shim.
To lower the action: On a flat surface maglatag ka ng fine grit na sand paper tapos slide the bottom part of the bridge until you sanded down the amount of material you want to be taken off. Better have a spare bridge if you'll do this. :D
nag bubuzz yung d and g string ko (uy that didn't come out right) ...I'll take pictures para you guys can really teach me.
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Also... pag nakuha mo na ang tamang height ng nut use Elmer's Glue to keep the nut in place. Make sure to clean the excess glue off.
nut? anong nut.
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Nut? Kailangan pa bang galawin yung nut? medyo malaking gawain yun ah. I-compensate na lang ng truss rod adjustment.
Phil, yung nut yung may groove na parte na nasa malapit sa headstock ng gitara. Yung parang ivory. Pue mo nang hindi galawin yun, yung saddle na lang. Lagay ka lang ng shim.
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I don't know if you'll like my suggestion but for acoustic guitars I use .10 electric strings para hindi masyadong tumaas yung action.
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Sorry, po. na mis read ko ang tanong nyo. Go with Bart's suggestion. My bad. carry on class :lol:
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I don't know if you'll like my suggestion but for acoustic guitars I use .10 electric strings para hindi masyadong tumaas yung action.
ang nipis naman....I'm using 13s right now and even still feel it's a little bit thin sounding pa rin.
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I don't know if you'll like my suggestion but for acoustic guitars I use .10 electric strings para hindi masyadong tumaas yung action.
ang nipis naman....I'm using 13s right now and even still feel it's a little bit thin sounding pa rin.
Go for 24s. That should take care of your manipis problem, haha!!!
I'm the same, I use 13s sa acoustic ko. Wala namang bending, eh, so no problem. Tsaka mas full ang tunog. Anong kustik mo?
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I don't know if you'll like my suggestion but for acoustic guitars I use .10 electric strings para hindi masyadong tumaas yung action.
ang nipis naman....I'm using 13s right now and even still feel it's a little bit thin sounding pa rin.
Go for 24s. That should take care of your manipis problem, haha!!!
I'm the same, I use 13s sa acoustic ko. Wala namang bending, eh, so no problem. Tsaka mas full ang tunog. Anong kustik mo?
cheapy cheapy lang na Washburn acoustic electric.
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That's cool. Washburn pa rin yon. Be loud, be proud! Hehe!
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nut? anong nut.
me?
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nut? anong nut.
me?
No... yong nasa pantalon ko, hahaha!!! Sorry po :oops:
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Ano na na uli Tagalog ng peanut?
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Gising ka pa rin?
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Oo. Kumukukot ng mane.
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Bart... Yahoo IM.
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teka, fire up ko muna yung isa kong computer. ayokong madungisan tong gaming rig ko ng yahoo [gooey brown stuff]. dun na lang sa laptop na luma yung YM. sandali lang at mabagal mag boot, de-uling kasi yung laptop. Nagpaparikit pa.
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Wow! yaman naman.
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I have a question. Kasi my guitar (avatar) has slightly higher action than what I'm used to.
I've heard that when I lower the action, the guitar's sustain suffers.
Is this true? :?:
And does action have any other effect on guitar tone?
If my sustain suffers, then I might as well forget lowering my action.
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Yes It does...The lower the action the lesser the vibration the lesser the sustain....
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Ah...nevermind then.
Maybe it's just the stock strings that make my fingers hurt after a long period of playing. Magaspang pa..
I'll replace these strings soon. Any reccomendations for any warmer (more bass) strings for my acoustic? These are 10's
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Ah...nevermind then.
Maybe it's just the stock strings that make my fingers hurt after a long period of playing. Magaspang pa..
I'll replace these strings soon. Any reccomendations for any warmer (more bass) strings for my acoustic? These are 10's
Use 13s...I use it in my Washburn
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13's? Di kaya magfret-buzz na guitar ko nyan?
And ano gamit mong strings?
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13's, man. That's feels fine in my acoustic and it gives you better overall volume and tone.
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I'm thinking about D'Addario, Fender...or even Washburn strings.
Yung mga bronze, kasi yun daw ang "warmer" ang tunog.
I'll be waiting for suggestions by brand. :wink:
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D'Addario yung Light gauge. .012 - .054
Kapag sobrang lambot ng strings mo sa acoustic, nawawala siya sa tono (kahit alam mong nakatono na siya) dahil sa sobrang lambot ng strings yung wave niya lumalampas sa 440 hz, basta hirap eexplain :P
Yung Martin na light gauge mas malambot kesa sa D'Addarrio
Gamit ko kasi D'Addario, kapag lang stock sa J&B, Martin naman :D
Yung gitara mo ba ay Oscar Scmidht? :D
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D'Addario...so yung Phosphor Bronze kaya dapat, kung gusto ko warm tone?
Yup..it's an Oscar Schmidt OG2CE. My 2nd guitar. :D
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i have d'addario 13's ------
and martin 12's...package for 600 pesos...
0927-870-8894
0922-373-1419
i use alice strings on my guitar...hehe 11's un gmit ko sa gigs..mabilis nga lng mputol ung 1 and 2,...pero sulit nrin..
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well the overall tone of the acoustic guitar depends on many factors. hindi lang sa string gauge. shempre a big factor in the tone is the top. a solid top generally has a better tone than laminate (plywood) tops. a cedar topped acoustic has a warmer tone while the spruce top has a brighter tone. the back and sides din have a big effect on the tone, rosewood back and sides are bassier, mahogany back and sides have a punchier bright tone while maple back and sides have a sort of dry tone to it, more of pang-jazz. isa pang consideration eh an nut and saddle, usually stock nuts and saddles are made of plastic. i had mine replaced with a bone nut and saddle para medyo mas crisp ang tunog. body type ng gitara din malaki ang effect sa sound, dreadnaughts have a louder volume with booming bass while a smaller bodied guitar like a grand concert or auditorium have a more compact, punchy sound. sa strings naman, shempre mas makapal at malakas ang tunog ng heavier gauge strings while mas manipis ang lighter gauge strings. with regards to the set-up, don't sacrifice tone for the playability. aanhin mo angmagandang tunog kung hindi mo naman matugtog gitara mo dahil masakit sa kamay. and if ever there's a loss in sustain and tone, sobrang hindi naman pansin. i suggest having your guitar set-up by a pro like arie hipolito. sa kanya ko pinaset-up lahat ng acoustics ko and electrics narin. i've had quite a few acoustics already, starting from an applause, 3 ovations, a yamaha dreadnaught, a yamaha classic, ibanez thinline, jasmine (by takamine) solid top dreadnaught and a morris dreadnaught. i've sold all the others na, natira nalang sakin yung jasmine (na love na love ko, binili ko from arie himself, great tone parang martin na sha, hehe) and the morris "pang-harabas" guitar. pa-setup nyo kay arie, i think he charges from 600-1000 pesos. depende sa papagawa mo, i guarantee you, sobrang ayos at mamahalin mo ang gitara mo after, hehe. sorry mahaba.
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well the overall tone of the acoustic guitar depends on many factors. hindi lang sa string gauge. shempre a big factor in the tone is the top. a solid top generally has a better tone than laminate (plywood) tops. a cedar topped acoustic has a warmer tone while the spruce top has a brighter tone. the back and sides din have a big effect on the tone, rosewood back and sides are bassier, mahogany back and sides have a punchier bright tone while maple back and sides have a sort of dry tone to it, more of pang-jazz. isa pang consideration eh an nut and saddle, usually stock nuts and saddles are made of plastic. i had mine replaced with a bone nut and saddle para medyo mas crisp ang tunog. body type ng gitara din malaki ang effect sa sound, dreadnaughts have a louder volume with booming bass while a smaller bodied guitar like a grand concert or auditorium have a more compact, punchy sound. sa strings naman, shempre mas makapal at malakas ang tunog ng heavier gauge strings while mas manipis ang lighter gauge strings. with regards to the set-up, don't sacrifice tone for the playability. aanhin mo angmagandang tunog kung hindi mo naman matugtog gitara mo dahil masakit sa kamay. and if ever there's a loss in sustain and tone, sobrang hindi naman pansin. i suggest having your guitar set-up by a pro like arie hipolito. sa kanya ko pinaset-up lahat ng acoustics ko and electrics narin. i've had quite a few acoustics already, starting from an applause, 3 ovations, a yamaha dreadnaught, a yamaha classic, ibanez thinline, jasmine (by takamine) solid top dreadnaught and a morris dreadnaught. i've sold all the others na, natira nalang sakin yung jasmine (na love na love ko, binili ko from arie himself, great tone parang martin na sha, hehe) and the morris "pang-harabas" guitar. pa-setup nyo kay arie, i think he charges from 600-1000 pesos. depende sa papagawa mo, i guarantee you, sobrang ayos at mamahalin mo ang gitara mo after, hehe. sorry mahaba.
.thats excellent information.
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well, what can i say, adik sa gitara, hehe.
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well the overall tone of the acoustic guitar depends on many factors. hindi lang sa string gauge. shempre a big factor in the tone is the top. a solid top generally has a better tone than laminate (plywood) tops. a cedar topped acoustic has a warmer tone while the spruce top has a brighter tone. the back and sides din have a big effect on the tone, rosewood back and sides are bassier, mahogany back and sides have a punchier bright tone while maple back and sides have a sort of dry tone to it, more of pang-jazz. isa pang consideration eh an nut and saddle, usually stock nuts and saddles are made of plastic. i had mine replaced with a bone nut and saddle para medyo mas crisp ang tunog. body type ng gitara din malaki ang effect sa sound, dreadnaughts have a louder volume with booming bass while a smaller bodied guitar like a grand concert or auditorium have a more compact, punchy sound. sa strings naman, shempre mas makapal at malakas ang tunog ng heavier gauge strings while mas manipis ang lighter gauge strings. with regards to the set-up, don't sacrifice tone for the playability. aanhin mo angmagandang tunog kung hindi mo naman matugtog gitara mo dahil masakit sa kamay. and if ever there's a loss in sustain and tone, sobrang hindi naman pansin. i suggest having your guitar set-up by a pro like arie hipolito. sa kanya ko pinaset-up lahat ng acoustics ko and electrics narin. i've had quite a few acoustics already, starting from an applause, 3 ovations, a yamaha dreadnaught, a yamaha classic, ibanez thinline, jasmine (by takamine) solid top dreadnaught and a morris dreadnaught. i've sold all the others na, natira nalang sakin yung jasmine (na love na love ko, binili ko from arie himself, great tone parang martin na sha, hehe) and the morris "pang-harabas" guitar. pa-setup nyo kay arie, i think he charges from 600-1000 pesos. depende sa papagawa mo, i guarantee you, sobrang ayos at mamahalin mo ang gitara mo after, hehe. sorry mahaba.
Eto na eh. Everything I could possibly ask for.
(As you can see, dreadnought nga ang akin) Solid spruce top, Catalpa sides & back.
So nut & saddles do have an effect on tone...I'll text Arie minsan, so I could ask how much ang bone nut & saddle (kung gumagawa man)
I've also asked Arie about general setup. He said 500-1,500. Depending on ano ipapagawa.
OR I could have it setup at Perfect Pitch Rob Place. I bought it there. They're not charging anything...pero magbibigay pa rin ako. Kakahiya eh.
Sad to say, March pa or April ko pa mapapa-setup ang guitar ko. No money yet...I'm working extra hard para makabili na ng hardcase, & get the setup done. Not that my guitar's playability is unbearable. The action was just an issue during its first week...strings lang ang talagang panget (bass strings gaspang ever).
But I will have it setup. Arie is my only choice, because he's the (only?) one in my area. (Sampaloc area, near Welcome Rotonda) Besides if I have my guitar checked at Guitar Hospital, at least I'll know everything that needs to be fixed, kung meron man. :D
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is that the oscar schmidt acoustic pack? sure ka solid top yan? ayos yan kung solid top, at least you got a guitar that gets better the more you play it. yup arie makes bone nuts and saddles, he charged me 500 per piece, so nut and saddle replacement is 1000 na.
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Yup, it's the package. I'm sure it's solid spruce.
I didn't believe it when the guy at Perfect Pitch said na solidtop siya. But I did the research..and yes, solidtop nga.
I've heard that solidtops get "seasoned" as more vibrations go through it. Sa summer, yari 'to sakin. 5 hours a day, everyday! :lol:
I just texted Arie. In addition to the bone nut & saddle, he can also set it up for me. So 1.5k na. I'll go for it! :D
How long did it your nut & saddles to be finished?
Having a replacement saddle won't be an issue with the piezo pickup, right?
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ayos, that's a good buy then. as for the nut and saddles, siguro around 3 days. yun usually yung time frame na binibigay ni arie pag ganyan. grabe, malulula ka pag punta mo sa house ni arie, andaming gitara, subukan mo lahat, hehe. and don't forget to chat with him (yun eh pag hindi sha busy) kasi sobrang dami mong matututunan from him. wala naman issue sa piezo pickup yan, most instances it improves the sound pa, nagiging mas crisp. kasi mas rigid ang properties ng bone kaysa sa plastic. oo pare sa summer banatan mo yang gitara mo. para gumanda yung sound nya. ako medyo fortunate to have been able to buy a jasmine (by takamine) solid spruce top, jacaranda (brazilian type rosewood, sayang laminate nga lang, hehe) back and sides. tapos the good thing with it, aged na sha so maganda na agad yung tunog, hehe. i had an l.r. baggs pickup installed on it and i bought an l.r. baggs para acoustic d.i. ganda ng tunog, hehe. almost a martin tone for the fraction of the cost.
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ayos, that's a good buy then. as for the nut and saddles, siguro around 3 days. yun usually yung time frame na binibigay ni arie pag ganyan. grabe, malulula ka pag punta mo sa house ni arie, andaming gitara, subukan mo lahat, hehe. and don't forget to chat with him (yun eh pag hindi sha busy) kasi sobrang dami mong matututunan from him. wala naman issue sa piezo pickup yan, most instances it improves the sound pa, nagiging mas crisp. kasi mas rigid ang properties ng bone kaysa sa plastic. oo pare sa summer banatan mo yang gitara mo. para gumanda yung sound nya. ako medyo fortunate to have been able to buy a jasmine (by takamine) solid spruce top, jacaranda (brazilian type rosewood, sayang laminate nga lang, hehe) back and sides. tapos the good thing with it, aged na sha so maganda na agad yung tunog, hehe. i had an l.r. baggs pickup installed on it and i bought an l.r. baggs para acoustic d.i. ganda ng tunog, hehe. almost a martin tone for a fraction of the cost.
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kulas...back to my topic.....how do you setup the action of an acoustic guitar?
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i didn't do my own setup eh, i asked arie to do it for me. it's very tricky kasi eh yung setup, madaming things to consider pag-setup ng action eh, 1st, neck, baka bowed or twisted yung neck. 2nd, baka naka-bulge yung soundboard ng guitar. 3rd, pwedeng mataas yung saddle, pwede rin mataas yung nut or both, hehe. eh nakakatakot naman i-sand yung saddle lalo na pag wala kang replacement coz if you sand too much, baka mag-buzz na yung strings mo sa frets, and you can't be sure na level yung pagka-sand mo, baka may na-favor kang side and it'll turn out na mas mataas yung isang side than the other. so i suggest, spend a little extra lang and have it professionally setup by arie, below 1k lang naman bayad kung setup lang talaga. yung setup ni arie includes nut and saddle setup, neck setup, fret dressing, and sometimes new strings, hehe. basta pagkuha mo ng gitara mo, sobrang derecho ng neck, makintab ang frets at masarap gamitin, hehe.
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I've heard a lot of stories of good guitars gone bad because of their owners trying to adjust action by themselves.
So I guess the best way to go is having it adjusted by a luthier. Jun Castro or Arie Hipolito are the most popular I've seen so far.
The truss rod doesn't do everything to adjust height. Just something about neck tension ata.
You have to sand down the nut & saddle to reduce the right amount of height. The truss rod just comes in after that, so the neck gets just the right amount of tension.
It's complicated, so sayang naman ang guitar mo if it gets ruined just because of action adjustment.
Phil, I didn't notice that I went OT...sorry about that. :wink:
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kulas...back to my topic.....how do you setup the action of an acoustic guitar?
i have a good suggestion sir phil... why don't you fly here and bring your acoustic for a luthier's touch... and don't forget to bring your Carvin. loan it to me till your acoustic is finished... :lol:
joke... as what sir kulas said, much better if you bring it to a competent luthier. they see things beyond our perception. i have an ibby V7012 acoustic previously with high action and poor playability. i have it checked with jun castro of www.roadtone.tk / roadtone guitars. final verdict, ganda ng knalabasan and nag-improve yung overall sound and playability against its previous state.
napansin ko lang, medyo mahal mag-pasetup ng guitar dyan sa US.
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The truss rod doesn't do everything to adjust height. Just something about neck tension ata.
You have to sand down the nut & saddle to reduce the right amount of height. The truss rod just comes in after that, so the neck gets just the right amount of tension.
this is subjective sir red_strat. in my opinion, the truss rod has an effect on the action. why? if the neck is "bowed", your fingers will tell a good action on lower frets but you need to push further when you're fretting about the 7th fret further. if too much "relief" on the other hand, you could introduced buzz on some frets.
i proved that on my xb120 bass. when i wasn't aware of these guitar techie stuffs before, i replaced the light gauges to medium ones. the result, the neck was pulled by the strings because it had a stronger tension than before. i brought to jun castro and whola... the xb120's playability was soooo nice... he adjusted the entire action, adjusted the truss rod, and intonation.
even the one whose frequent on using the bass noticed the big improvement.
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Oh okay...
I admit I don't know that much when it comes to the neck & action thing.
Just learning as I go.
Musta sigjoys? I'm going to Audiophile Main soon...so baka maka-try ako ng AW40ECE. Loko ka, ang lakas nanaman ng GAS ko nito next week or next next week. :lol:
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you can check the amount of relief in your neck by doing this, fret the 1st and 12th frets then check if there's space between the other frets and the string. if there's a lit of space between the frets and the string, that means there's too much relief, baka bowed yung neck mo, if there's too little or no space at all, konte naman ang relief nun, ibig sabihin nun baka bowed yung neck mo in the other direcction, hehe. tapos silipin mo rin from the headstock yung gilid ng fretboard mo, try mo align yung mga frets sa line of sight mo, para din masilip mo kung straight yung neck and level yung frets mo. these are just a few of my rituals when i check out a guitar. oks lang yan Red_Strat, you'll learn a lot about acoustics along the way. nako pre, iwasan mo ang pagpunta-punta sa audiophile, nako, aatakihin ka ng GAS nyan. it will haunt you in your dreams, lalo na pag sinubukan mo yung mga artwoods, grabe. well, it's not so great, pero it's good narin. and knowing that it'll only get better with age. may nakita nga akong artwood dun sa mag audiophile greenhills na sobrang crush ko eh. i dunno the exact model but it's a grand concert or 000 body artwood, solid top, laminate walnut back/sides. absolute dream! bwiset!
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kulas, are you a guitar tech or something?
Kasi when the topic is about action, necks, truss rods...stuff like that...You know so much...
Nobela pa ang replies mo ha...keep 'em coming!
You know sigjoys?
He introduced me to the Ibanez AW40ECE. I haven't even touched it yet, and it's haunting me already. The Tree of Life inlay is making me drool...
One more thing, yun pa yung gamit ni Sigfried Fuster (The Speaks) when they performed on MYX Live.
Idol ko pa naman yun...so I pretty much have a (third) guitar in my sights. Siguro after 1-2 years pa ko bibili. :lol:
Going to Audiophile (Main) for me is inevitable...I'm getting a hardcase eh.
How could I let the opportunity pass me by?
Kahit AW40ECE lang...
Sana naman, when I get that guitar...last na... "IF" I get the guitar... :lol:
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there is no last guitar, hehe. your last guitar means you stop breathing, hehe. nope i'm no guitar tech, more of guitar techie, hehe if there is such a term. kasi ako when i get into something i make it a point to absorb as much information about it as possible. research ko jan puro internet, talking with arie, with other guitarists, etc. etc. pero ironically, i've never opened up any of my guitars nor experimented on them, hehe. wala kasi akong pera pang-replace sa mga guitars ko, hehe.
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if you are in doubt bro, bring it to a luthier mahirap yan kung mag isa mo aayusin at first time mo pa.
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Musta sigjoys? I'm going to Audiophile Main soon...so baka maka-try ako ng AW40ECE. Loko ka, ang lakas nanaman ng GAS ko nito next week or next next week. :lol:
sowee :roll: don't get your hands on it i tell you. it will give you sleepless nights...
one comment lang sa AW40ECE, the factory setup is not good, making an impression that its not appreciable. pero. magagawan naman ng paraan :wink:
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there is no last guitar, hehe. your last guitar means you stop breathing
+2 (para kay red_strat :D)
kasi ako when i get into something i make it a point to absorb as much information about it as possible. research ko jan puro internet, talking with arie, with other guitarists, etc. etc.
+2 ulit. the better you know about guitar techie stuffs, the more you appreciate the instrument.
shut my mouth :!: ... lets get back to sir phil topic :idea: ...
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buhayin ko lang ulit to ah. do i need to change strings or the bridge if i have my guitar set up to lower action?