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Title: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on February 12, 2013, 12:37:13 PM
Any inputs are welcome...first hand or second heard experience on the unit/s or just a personal opinion on the said gears.
Lets just limit the discussion to these 3 awesome priced digital mixers.
Pros & Cons, quirks ect...
Lets get it on... :) :) :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: sikyo on February 12, 2013, 05:31:52 PM
These digital mixers are getting close to being affordable. Soundcraft Si Expression 1 versus Behringer X32 Producer looks comparable at least price wise but with Harman components (BSS, dbx, lexicon) on board, the former series of products has caused a stir among users of the more expensive Soundcraft Si and Vi series digital mixers, i.e., that much feature set at that price range would have been worth the wait to some of them.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: mixx on February 12, 2013, 11:49:15 PM
sir meron pong lalabas na hybrid mixer, digi-log as what they may call it, its a mixture of analog and digital console, as a stand alone unit it works like an ordinary analalog console, connect a laptop to it and it becomes a digital mixer complete with (fx/limiters/compressors) per ch, you can also record through it. pricewise it is almost half of what digital mixers are priced. it comes from the company with the "golden touch" :-D
just imagine you can still use your analog processors.... pag tinamad ka naman laptop na lng dalhin mo in lieu of your processor rack
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on February 13, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
Check ninyo ito: http://www.presonus.com/products/StudioLive-3242AI Mukhang pinatumba ng bagong mixer ng Presonus ang Behringer X32?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: eirol_99 on February 13, 2013, 03:23:01 PM
pinakamura dyan ang x32, soundcheck got two units so i think pasado sa kanila, i heard they got 1 demo unit for a week long test bago sila kumuha. looking on some videos and literatures, i see it flexible enough and powerful, there is even a crossover filter available if needed. on the presonus, it is way expensive,(ph price) got no motorized faders, fixed 4 subgroups the soundcraft si expression we wait for its price. but i heard that it would be much lessthan the si compact price in the US.
ps. i'm in no way connected to the sellers and distributors of above products, baka mapagkamalan promoter na naman,, hehehe
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on February 14, 2013, 12:01:51 AM
Are the philippine dealers of this units can technically support the product? I mean kung maliit na company/installation ka lang tapos nag loko yung unit mo...can they give you a replacement while your unit is on their repair bays? or can their in-house repair department knows na to repair them...o hangang power supply problems pa lang kaya nila....pretty much an isolated case if you could encounter one bad unit..but what if?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: tjlimjoco on February 14, 2013, 12:17:41 AM
X32 :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on February 14, 2013, 08:54:58 AM
Ask ko lang mga sir may remote feature din ba ang X32? Yung pwede siya macontrol ng Ipad?
yes meron, kabitan mo lang ng wireless router it can be controlled via an ipad, sayang walang pang android tablet, btw, may model ng x 32 rack walang control surface, via ipad or PC sya i control
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on February 14, 2013, 10:32:24 AM
Another question in mind...are the sound quality of this unit to the analog ones. Like if you compare its preamps to a vlz-pro or lx7ii. Tested a Presonus SL on a drum setup...well its good and sound thicker able to hear the transients. Im still an analog at heart...just the higher digital models will go at par with the better analog mixers, tonewise. But tech's are control freaks kaya digital give you more value in a sense:)))
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on February 14, 2013, 09:35:10 PM
yes meron, kabitan mo lang ng wireless router it can be controlled via an ipad, sayang walang pang android tablet, btw, may model ng x 32 rack walang control surface, via ipad or PC sya i control
Yun oh!!! Sana masmura X32 rack type!!!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on February 17, 2013, 12:47:14 AM
i'll go for presonus, grabe yung sound quality sa isang demo during PALMM 2012.
di ako nakapunta nung palmm 2012 eh...sa presonus demo did they load all the inputs(band set-up)? or simple line playback or just 2-3 mics? minsan kasi sa palmm, demo's are not pushed...like you have ferrari tapos takbo nya sa demo is 60-90kph on a straight pavement.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: lighttech on February 24, 2013, 12:07:05 AM
in my own opinion, this are all good bang for the buck digital mixers to start with.
you'll never go wrong with this brands, it's just a matter of choosing which one will fit your budget
and taste.
:)
These are all entry level live digital mixers...on the x32 looks like behringer just hit a jackpot product with good user reviews. One reviewer said that the features on the X32 they should sell it @ $7k and wondering how they manage to sell it @ $3.2k. This move by Behringer is now forcing other manufacturers/brands to price match them. Soundcraft answered it by the SI expression though less in features you might get a better sonic quality and reliabilty of soundcraft...kaso still a hypothesis till the SI comes to our shores. The presonus sl sold well on a lot of pro audio suppliers here and they swear by it..really good hardware for recording live perfomances also.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: king_james on March 10, 2013, 10:23:34 AM
My old buddy from Audiophile Alimall branch just informed me that few units of the latest Soundcraft Si Expression Digital console have been released. :cool: :cool:
My old buddy from Audiophile Alimall branch just informed me that few units of the latest Soundcraft Si Expression Digital console have been released. :cool: :cool:
Uy halos kapresyo lang ng Behringer!! Macheck nga. Salamat sa info sir!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: alghanold on March 10, 2013, 09:53:53 PM
il chose soundcraft over berry and presonus.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on March 10, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
SI Compact series mga sir ano masasabi nyo?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: ellechora on March 11, 2013, 05:11:01 PM
Hi, just new here. Please refer dealers/distributor/supplier of Behringer equipments (such as speakers, mixers, and subwoofers) Thanks in advance, would really appreciate your suggestions. :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: niroh on March 13, 2013, 04:11:07 AM
Hi, just new here. Please refer dealers/distributor/supplier of Behringer equipments (such as speakers, mixers, and subwoofers) Thanks in advance, would really appreciate your suggestions. :)
joint venture ang may hawak ng behringer
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: tjlimjoco on March 13, 2013, 10:17:45 AM
My old buddy from Audiophile Alimall branch just informed me that few units of the latest Soundcraft Si Expression Digital console have been released. :cool: :cool:
My old buddy from Audiophile Alimall branch just informed me that few units of the latest Soundcraft Si Expression Digital console have been released. :cool: :cool:
wow..less 10% pa yan :))) will definitely visit them for a first hand look:)))
Mism0 B0s! at S0undcraft pa yan :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: niroh on March 23, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
ang expression ba batang kapatid ng SI Compact?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on March 24, 2013, 12:56:49 AM
Masbata at masmurang kapatid bro ang alam ko
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: mixx on March 25, 2013, 11:47:34 AM
mga sirs ive heard that some of the digital boards nag ha-hang or nag ccrash pag outdoor or mainit yung area, sino na po naka experience and from the three boards mentioned alin po yung mataas na failure rate?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Jef2 on March 25, 2013, 03:38:10 PM
mga sirs ive heard that some of the digital boards nag ha-hang or nag ccrash pag outdoor or mainit yung area, sino na po naka experience and from the three boards mentioned alin po yung mataas na failure rate?
better make sure to use a line/power conditioner and do frequent updates on the firmware.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: eirol_99 on March 25, 2013, 04:50:09 PM
mga sirs ive heard that some of the digital boards nag ha-hang or nag ccrash pag outdoor or mainit yung area, sino na po naka experience and from the three boards mentioned alin po yung mataas na failure rate?
I have used behri x32 outdoors and medyo mainit, ok naman sya so far, basta wag lang blocked yung fan nya sa ilalim, no experience yet on the other 2 brands. better use a UPS para ok ang supply nya.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: edricgarcia on March 27, 2013, 02:53:02 PM
Soundcraft SI :-D
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on March 28, 2013, 12:18:29 AM
I have used behri x32 outdoors and medyo mainit, ok naman sya so far, basta wag lang blocked yung fan nya sa ilalim, no experience yet on the other 2 brands. better use a UPS para ok ang supply nya.
Anong brand suggestion nyo sir and sino supplier dito sa Pinas?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: eirol_99 on March 28, 2013, 08:54:24 AM
ang daming UPS sa mga computer retailers, maganda APC na brand.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: king_james on April 05, 2013, 10:42:05 AM
The Behringer X32 and the Soundcraft Expression series have fully automated motorized 100 mm faders :-) :-)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 07, 2013, 10:30:41 AM
Are the philippine dealers of this units can technically support the product? I mean kung maliit na company/installation ka lang tapos nag loko yung unit mo...can they give you a replacement while your unit is on their repair bays? or can their in-house repair department knows na to repair them...o hangang power supply problems pa lang kaya nila....pretty much an isolated case if you could encounter one bad unit..but what if?
For PreSonus YES. we got all the parts needed. And If we dont, we will chop it out from a b.new board. We also have service unit in case of Emergencies.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 07, 2013, 10:42:44 AM
Reasons why StudioLive over the X32?
1. RockSolid,TriedandTrue There are currently over 50,000 StudioLive mixers out in the field. We are on version 1.6 of our driver and have had numerous updates and improvements along the way. The PreSonus return rate is at 1.8% In other words – PreSonus mixers SELL AND STAY SOLD. The platform is stable and mature.
2. ChockFullofSOLUTIONS The X32 is just another box with gazintas and gazouttas. StudioLive mixers SOLVE PROBLEMS and allow you to do more because of tight software and hardware integration. What other mixer gives you the following solutions? • Capture gives you the simplest 2 button multitrack recording capability with zero set up. Recording the show was never easier. • StudioOne Artist is an amazing DAW to fully produce your recordings • PreSonus’ wireless IOS apps (SL Remote and QMix) are the best in the industry at ANY pricepoint (Have you check out Behringer’s ipad app recently? It only has level control. You can’t even tweak an eq or compressor). • Virtual StudioLive (VSL) gives you full control over your mixer with a laptop. Only PreSonus gives you built in Rational Acoustics SMAART integration with RTA and Spectograph. The world’s best analysis tools are built in! • Nimbit allows you to take your recordings and sell them online in a matter of minutes
3. AnalogWorkflowwithaDigitalBrain You can teach any customer how to operate the StudioLive in 5 minutes. There’s no layers and digging around pages to get to what you want. Plus there are over 100 StudioLive videos online that will help any customers that want to learn more. http://www.presonus.com/videos/player When you sell a complicated mixer like the X32, get ready for tons of support calls. Especially if you are selling it to a church or club where multiple users will be operating it. The StudioLive sounds great and is the easiest digital mixer to use!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 07, 2013, 10:49:58 AM
Hi Guys, we represent PreSonus
Heres our view of the StudioLive edge over the SoundCraft Expression:
Here are my initial thoughts on the Expression:
It looks very menu driven and not as intuitive. You have to navigate through screens to do simple functions The multiple layers are not very practical for your average user The meters are not detailed at all You have to have a router to use the ipad functionality The ipad remote doesn’t have much functionality outside of level control It only has 16 outputs Doesn’t ship standard with a recording card Doesn’t have iphone or ipod control No onboard wireless option Doesn’t ship with recording software Doesn’t have built in SMAART analysis software It doesn’t look like it has a talkback input Can’t perform a virtual soundcheck with it as it is shipped These are just a few of the things that I noticed on my first pass at this product.
For Best prices of PreSonus, visit our office. We give you the best discounts and freebies :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on April 08, 2013, 12:34:57 AM
Reposting the following from other forums..just sharing :mrgreen:
There is more configuring with the X32. You cannot just turn it on and use it. You can just turn on the SL24 and use it. The X32 does not come with a manual. SL does. The X32 does not have the free software comparable to Capture, StudioOne Artist. The X32 does not have the built in analyzer functions. The X32 has noise issues. The talk back mics on our units have been pretty noisy. The X32 has more and better effects than the SL has. The X32 has less auxes and busses. You have 16 bus outputs to be shared between auxes, subgroups, master output, etc. Unbalanced audio I/O in the form of RCAs is better on the SL. Digital audio input is better on the SL. The X32 has a matrix. SL does not. The SL cannot do LCR panning. The X32 can do LCR assignment, but does not allow for active LCR panning. The X32 will record right to a USB drive. The SL has the ability to multitrack in and return much, MUCH easier. It is much easier and faster to assign digital returns on the SL. Adjusting channel controls is a little easier on the SL IMO. X32s labeling is cooler, although I do pride myself in killer printing and drawing on board tape . X32s headphone jack is on the side. Hate that. Stupid idea. I keep reaching in the wrong spot for it. Over-all, I think the X32 is noisier than the SL24.
The first one I installed developed screen flicker, boot up noises on the audio outputs, etc. The first P16D was also bad out of the box, with two bad RJ45 jacks. The S16s were fine.
The routing on the X32 is kind of confusing.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 08, 2013, 12:18:20 PM
Right! Plus PreSonus is the only digital mixer in it's class which comes along with SMAART room analysis software and it's FREE. With SMAART, you can produce the best sound required for the room, do speaker sound checks with pink noise, built in RTA, delay lines up to 500 feet.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 08, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
PreSonus is the only digital mixer in it's class which comes along with a SMAART software.....Not all digital mixers are the same
What is Smaart?
Working with Rational Acoustics, PreSonus has streamlined Smaart’s powerful Response™ and Locator™ modules to make it easy to view your P.A. system’s frequency response. Now you have all the information necessary to adjust your sound system using the parametric EQs that are available on the Fat Channel in StudioLive-series mixers. Additionally, Smaart’s Spectra’s™ RTA and Spectrograph can be viewed on top of each output’s graphic EQ so you can analyze your mix or quickly ring out your floor monitors. Although much simpler and easier to use than the full version of Smaart, VSL’s Smaart implementation is very much the real thing, built with the same technology that is trusted by acousticians and live-sound engineers the world over. The room is not always your friend. Deal with it. In many live environments, the room has not been designed to maximize the listening experience. Sure, you might mix a show in a concert hall with awesome acoustics, but more often, you’re making do in a basement club with a low ceiling and brick walls or in an old warehouse or barn—or perhaps you’re fighting the nightmare acoustics of a sports arena. In general, the size, construction, and reflectivity of a room are primary factors that significantly affect a sound system’s performance.
Size Matters The size of the room directly impacts how well certain frequencies will be reproduced. If you measure a room on its diagonal, you will discover how well that room will be able to sustain low frequencies. For example, a 50 Hz wave is about 22.6 feet long. So a room that is 45 feet on the diagonal is going to regenerate low frequencies more effectively than a room that is 15 feet on the diagonal. When a room’s width or length correlates directly to the size of a waveform at a specific frequency, a standing wave can occur where the initial sound and the reflected sound begin to reinforce each other. Let’s say we have a long, narrow room where the distance from one side to the other is 22.6 feet. When a 50 Hz wave bounces off the wall, the reflective wave travels right back along the same path and bounces off the other wall and cycle repeats. In a room such as this, 50 Hz reproduces very well—maybe even a little too well. So your mix will have a heavier low-end. Surfaces and Construction Materials A room’s construction, including furnishings, also can have a dramatic impact on its sonic signature. Although we might not think of it often, low-frequency waves are powerful enough to cause the walls, ceiling, and even the floor to flex and move. This is called diaphragmatic action, and it dissipates energy and strips away the low-end definition. So if you’re in an old cotton mill, and the walls and floor are made of thick concrete that don’t vibrate much, the bass response is going to be much more powerful than if you’ve set up a show in an old warehouse where the walls are made of barge board and tin. Another way a room interacts with sound waves is through reflectivity. Some of this is fairly obvious: soft surfaces like curtains and carpeting absorb more high frequencies, while hard surfaces reflect, which can emphasize the highs. Parallel walls, odd-shaped cubbyholes, and balconies all affect the room’s acoustics. Reflections can be good and bad. Consider the effect of a cathedral’s reflections on a choir or a piano; this type of reverberation (reverb) is quite desirable. But not all reverb is good reverb. Reflections can also cause comb filtering. For example, if a speaker is placed near a reflective surface (say, a concrete or painted sheetrock wall), the direct sound coming from the speaker and the reflected sound coming from the wall can arrive at the listener’s ears out of phase with each other. This creates cancellation and reinforcement, sometimes at hard-to-predict frequencies. The good news is that you can measure what a room does to a sound system, and you can optimize the system to improve its output in that venue. That’s not to say you can make your system sound as good in Madison Square Garden as it would in the superb acoustics of Amsterdam’s Concertgebouw; but you can make it sound a lot better with the right tools, good ears, and some experience. System optimization and alignment are the processes of minimizing the room’s effect on your speaker’s ability to reproduce sound. System alignment creates the best possible environment for your mix—even if the room isn’t the best possible environment for listening to music. This offers several benefits.
Smaart Measurement Technology and the StudioLive mixer provide the crucial tools that can help you solve these issues. With Smaart, you can really put StudioLive's graphic and parametric EQs to work improving the sound of your P.A. Precisely identify nasty feedback frequencies. Get your loudspeakers to play nicer with the room they're in — all without having a degree in acoustical engineering. VSL’s Smaart implementation is accessible and intuitive, so that inexperienced users can make basic adjustments to the system, and experienced users can adjust the system quickly and precisely.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 08, 2013, 02:20:26 PM
B0s modular07, magkano yun Presonus Studiolive na 32 channel?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on April 08, 2013, 03:22:03 PM
Sir Modular07 yung 16.4.2 ba may Smaart Technology?
sa pagkaka-alam ko sir, lahat ng Studiolive ay may SMAART Technology, if I'm not mistaken
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 08, 2013, 05:35:02 PM
SL 32, SL 24, SL 16 po mat SMAART, SL 16.0.2 lang ang wala.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 08, 2013, 05:41:39 PM
Sa mga nagtanong ng prices ng PreSonus SL24, PM sent. Let me inform you guys that the SL32 is coming. With features na out of this world. Run the whole system wireless na, with PreSonus speakers na tatakbo na with wi-fi lang.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 08, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
B0s modular07, magkano yun Presonus Studiolive na 32 channel?
PM sent
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 08, 2013, 05:54:34 PM
Guys, mga interested makita ang new PreSonus SL32, please come sa PALMM 2013 and join us sa Launching sa Road House at MOA, sa likod lang ng SMX. Pag kasama ka sa thread na to, libre dinner at beer mo plus t-shirt pa and we got bands pa. he he. Anyway, we will be posting mo details soon.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on April 08, 2013, 06:17:10 PM
Guys, mga interested makita ang new PreSonus SL32, please come sa PALMM 2013 and join us sa Launching sa Road House at MOA, sa likod lang ng SMX. Pag kasama ka sa thread na to, libre dinner at beer mo plus t-shirt pa and we got bands pa. he he. Anyway, we will be posting mo details soon.
Salamat sa PM sir! Pahingi ng details ng PALMM 2013! :-D
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Brycekenshin on April 08, 2013, 08:05:52 PM
Good evening po mga gents, may addtional details na po ba re: PALMM 2013 ? thanks and po and more power!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on April 08, 2013, 08:44:04 PM
Guys, mga interested makita ang new PreSonus SL32, please come sa PALMM 2013 and join us sa Launching sa Road House at MOA, sa likod lang ng SMX. Pag kasama ka sa thread na to, libre dinner at beer mo plus t-shirt pa and we got bands pa. he he. Anyway, we will be posting mo details soon.
Ayus! paano naman yung nag-start ng thread na eto..hehe kidding aside, new gears excite me. parang EB na rin ng mga nakatambay dito sa pro-audio forum. see you there guys... :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: niroh on April 09, 2013, 12:40:07 PM
Guys, mga interested makita ang new PreSonus SL32, please come sa PALMM 2013 and join us sa Launching sa Road House at MOA, sa likod lang ng SMX. Pag kasama ka sa thread na to, libre dinner at beer mo plus t-shirt pa and we got bands pa. he he. Anyway, we will be posting mo details soon.
salamat sa information about PALMM 2013, see you there!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: sikyo on April 11, 2013, 12:16:15 AM
Guys, mga interested makita ang new PreSonus SL32, please come sa PALMM 2013 and join us sa Launching sa Road House at MOA, sa likod lang ng SMX. Pag kasama ka sa thread na to, libre dinner at beer mo plus t-shirt pa and we got bands pa. he he. Anyway, we will be posting mo details soon.
Sorry sa TS, OT, but hoping to see SMAART with the Presonus, Sir :) thanks
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: modular07 on April 11, 2013, 12:23:43 PM
YES, the SMAART is now available with every PreSonus SL 16 and SL 24, no need to wait for the PALMM :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on April 11, 2013, 12:55:06 PM
YES, the SMAART is now available with every PreSonus SL 16 and SL 24, no need to wait for the PALMM :)
Oops, I meant if you can demo the built-in SMAART when you demo the SL sa PALMM, Sir. Hope that's still possible considering maingay sa PALMM and acoustics is venue-specific :-D
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: tjlimjoco on April 12, 2013, 09:22:47 AM
you can still use the conventional snake cables on the digital consoles.
'moving faders' are really standard features found on modern digital mixers.
Yes. The Digital Snake sets are ideal when you want to "expand" the number of channels say from an existing 24 channel to additional 24 channels. You will still be needing a module or an "expansion card" that comes along with it. :-) :-)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: djpat2004 on May 09, 2013, 06:04:50 PM
Guys, mga interested makita ang new PreSonus SL32, please come sa PALMM 2013 and join us sa Launching sa Road House at MOA, sa likod lang ng SMX. Pag kasama ka sa thread na to, libre dinner at beer mo plus t-shirt pa and we got bands pa. he he. Anyway, we will be posting mo details soon.
pwede maka hands on? pa PM sir ng price ng sl24.4.2
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: imtheben on May 21, 2013, 01:33:44 AM
Salamat sa mga sinabi n'yo sa topic na 'to. Marami akong natutunan sa inyo.
Sa tingin ko, #1 ang Expression kahit magkalapit sila sa presyo, lalu na kung bago ka lang sa digital console.
1. Very intutive ang layout ng Expression, 2. Feature-rich (motorized / glowing faders, maraming EQ, maraming FX engine) 3. Feature-smart (kung ipindot mo nang matagal ang SEL button, makikita mo sa screen ang specific na channel name)[/li][/list]
Wouldn't use it in a studio, though.
Thanks!
Ben
Ben English Orlando, Florida USA
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: aiven001 on May 29, 2013, 04:38:11 PM
Soundcrafts Si expression has the very same Function as the Si Compact series, and their both built in "live sound/Touring in mind"
however with the help of the Expansion Slot,the flexibility are opened,. Ex: you can add a
*MADI card for expanding the Inputs and outputs / Digital Snake/stage box / multitrack Etc etc etc
*USB/Firewire/Optical card for Studio recording/Live recording use thru Firewire you can capture 32* inputs/tracks with the help of computer base DAW
though we already own a Si Compact 24 and had a Firmware issues,but when the V2.0 firmware came along,everything Goes Sweet ^-^
for me Si expression is the best option
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on August 01, 2013, 10:00:26 AM
Bagsak presyo daw ngayon ang Presonus? SL24 daw nasa 170k+ nalang tama ba?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on August 01, 2013, 01:39:21 PM
Bagsak presyo daw ngayon ang Presonus? SL24 daw nasa 170k+ nalang tama ba?
Presyo noon ay 252k. More than 30% ang bawas. Hard sell, ha! :idea: :idea:
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on August 01, 2013, 06:15:55 PM
Anybody from each philippine dealers of the said products here...ilang units na po nabenenta ng bawat isa dito sa pilipinas since nilabas? Any figures? Di ko kayo pinagsasabong ha...its always been a healthy competition... each unit has its own merits thats tailor made for diverse applications and needs. Figures please...x32=? Units, presonus sl=??? Units, si=??units since arrived...thanks guys
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jomspinoy on August 26, 2013, 08:58:00 PM
Bat sobrang laki ng price diff sa us and dto sa pinas? May added features ba yung nasa pinas? Yung 16.4.2 is less than $1500 only which is around P70k
Halos doble ang presyo dto sa pinas.... Whew
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: niroh on August 26, 2013, 11:09:14 PM
shipping cost?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on August 26, 2013, 11:16:21 PM
so kung marked up price compare natin sa shipping cost...yung presunos nag-eroplano at yung expression si nagbarko...hehe joke lang bro:)
Both naman galing ng china(tama ba) so kung shipping cost dapat mas mahal yung sa US. At kung operational siguro naman mas mahal per hour ng tao sa tate kaysa dito. Pero ewan ko talaga maybe other forumers could explain this first hand better.
Napoles' soul has gone ahead of her in the pits...kasunod mga politiko nakikinabang sa pork barrel/PDAF...sorry OT...nakakagigil eh:(
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: niroh on August 27, 2013, 11:04:26 PM
i dont know lang kung bakit ganun. . . :p kaya patanong din yung pagkakasulat ko. . ., depende siguro din sa dami ng naipapasok dito sa pinas. . .,
ewan ko lang. . . :-P
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Jef2 on August 28, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
Bat sobrang laki ng price diff sa us and dto sa pinas? May added features ba yung nasa pinas? Yung 16.4.2 is less than $1500 only which is around P70k
Halos doble ang presyo dto sa pinas.... Whew
generally speaking u.s. retail may be lower since they have a different tax system there. here we have a 12% vat plus customs and duties and brokerage fee.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: tjlimjoco on September 02, 2013, 11:13:45 AM
Mga B0s nagtaas na nga yun price ng X32 = 220,000 na :-(
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on September 02, 2013, 01:07:14 PM
Mga B0s nagtaas na nga yun price ng X32 = 220,000 na :-(
baka price adjustments to make way for these other x32 variants>> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X32-PRODUCER.aspx http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X32-COMPACT.aspx
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on September 02, 2013, 07:46:38 PM
baka price adjustments to make way for these other x32 variants>> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X32-PRODUCER.aspx http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/X32-COMPACT.aspx
May pricing na ba nito sir?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on September 30, 2013, 10:25:10 PM
May bago nang Presonus SL-AI!!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: king_james on October 01, 2013, 11:58:34 AM
I got our 2nd Soundcraft Si Expression 2 24 channel digital desk last week. Keeps getting better the more you use it and learn to navigate the panels :-) :-)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: sikyo on October 02, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
I got our 2nd Soundcraft Si Expression 2 24 channel digital desk last week. Keeps getting better the more you use it and learn to navigate the panels :-) :-)
Sir how's the sound of the Si Expression compared to your analog Soundcraft mixer/s po? Sorry po sa Ts kung medyo OT :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on October 04, 2013, 06:50:25 PM
Sir how's the sound of the Si Expression compared to your analog Soundcraft mixer/s po? Sorry po sa Ts kung medyo OT :)
no problem, need to know also hows the sound quality compared to an analog soundcraft:)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: king_james on October 05, 2013, 01:40:52 AM
We find the Soundcraft Si Expression digital desk slightly better sound as compared with the analogs and obviously more headroom. We got rid of the old analog processors since you can use this directly with the powered speakers already :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on October 05, 2013, 07:29:57 AM
We find the Soundcraft Si Expression digital desk slightly better sound as compared with the analogs and obviously more headroom. We got rid of the old analog processors since you can use this directly with the powered speakers already :wink: :wink:
Sir, was it tested or A/B'd on same limits as the analog soundcraft....meaning all other processes were bypassed sa digital board. Purely the mic>preamp>eq>output :) Curious lang.. :-D Wala bang digital aliasing na rinig na malakas sa boards na eto?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: sikyo on October 05, 2013, 09:39:56 PM
I got our 2nd Soundcraft Si Expression 2 24 channel digital desk last week. Keeps getting better the more you use it and learn to navigate the panels :-) :-)
Congrats on your 2nd board Sir! Sa palagay nyo po ba kung church setting na may mga volunteers di po ba sila mahihirapan sa navigation Sir? This is a consideration ko po versus the easier to use but differently featured Presonus SL kasi. Wishlist pa lang po :-D
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on October 05, 2013, 11:54:23 PM
Congrats on your 2nd board Sir! Sa palagay nyo po ba kung church setting na may mga volunteers di po ba sila mahihirapan sa navigation Sir? This is a consideration ko po versus the easier to use but differently featured Presonus SL kasi. Wishlist pa lang po :-D
Parang masmadali SL bro wala kasing layers unlike sa SI.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: niroh on October 06, 2013, 11:41:11 PM
for me sobrang daling gamitin ng SI series, lahat kasi sends to fader pa. . ., feature wise, panalong panalo ka na sa fader glow palang right? :D
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on October 06, 2013, 11:58:22 PM
sa ngayon, SUPER GAS AKO SA X32 RACK!!! :eek:
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: king_james on October 08, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
Congrats on your 2nd board Sir! Sa palagay nyo po ba kung church setting na may mga volunteers di po ba sila mahihirapan sa navigation Sir? This is a consideration ko po versus the easier to use but differently featured Presonus SL kasi. Wishlist pa lang po :-D
Thanks bro!
Shifting from analog to digital desks would require time to familiarize yourselves on how the digital ones are designed. Of course going to unfamiliar territory is scary at first but once you get the feel and constant practice, you can decide better which will be applicable for your usage.
I owned some Soundcraft GB and LX7 series before and since we sold them at a pretty good resale price, we decided to go digital. Gone are the many processors from your rack and literally speaking you can operate directly from (digital) mixer out to your active speakers. Sound wise, we all agree that the digital desk has undue advantages :-) :-)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: fantom on October 23, 2013, 08:47:07 AM
Hope this link helps, the X32 quite attracts me. .
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on October 23, 2013, 12:31:46 PM
Nice bro for the share. At this time and age, it would be funny if you would still invest on large format analog mixers :-D :-D
Tumpak! Pero reliable na ba talaga ang digital mixers ngayon? Specially the latest ones?
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: eirol_99 on November 03, 2013, 04:39:47 PM
got hands-on experience with a behringer x32 on a full band set-up recently, its sounds good, channel processing is ok. Fx are decent too. nakakapanibago lang shifting from analog to digital, lalo na sa mga routing, di gaya sa analog isang pindot lang naka sub group na channel mo. at sometimes pag digital minsan nakakalimutan na rin yun functions if matagal ulit na di nakapihit. love those moving faders, elib mga nakikitingin hehehe
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on November 04, 2013, 09:53:50 AM
got hands-on experience with a behringer x32 on a full band set-up recently, its sounds good, channel processing is ok. Fx are decent too. nakakapanibago lang shifting from analog to digital, lalo na sa mga routing, di gaya sa analog isang pindot lang naka sub group na channel mo. at sometimes pag digital minsan nakakalimutan na rin yun functions if matagal ulit na di nakapihit. love those moving faders, elib mga nakikitingin hehehe
In short POGI!!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: tjlimjoco on November 08, 2013, 10:34:43 PM
got hands-on experience with a behringer x32 on a full band set-up recently, its sounds good, channel processing is ok. Fx are decent too. nakakapanibago lang shifting from analog to digital, lalo na sa mga routing, di gaya sa analog isang pindot lang naka sub group na channel mo. at sometimes pag digital minsan nakakalimutan na rin yun functions if matagal ulit na di nakapihit. love those moving faders, elib mga nakikitingin hehehe
Mismo B0s :wave:
Mukhang may X32 Compact na din sa Joint pero wala pa akong idea sa price :)
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on November 09, 2013, 09:59:20 AM
B0s mura na ito ha. Sa Joint kasi based sa 220k srp yun X32 dun :-o
+1
Sa tingin ko X32 Compact yung nakita ni sir Fantom
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: fantom on November 11, 2013, 11:12:19 PM
Yah alam ko nga 220k na sya sa joint, but the time that i inquired wala pa daw X32 compact nung time na un sa InTune Festi, and ang tinuro ko sa salesman is ung poster ng X32. . Or baka nagkamali ung salesman. Ill try to recheck it again. . Ill give you guys feedback as soon as i can. .
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on November 12, 2013, 12:02:02 AM
Yah alam ko nga 220k na sya sa joint, but the time that i inquired wala pa daw X32 compact nung time na un sa InTune Festi, and ang tinuro ko sa salesman is ung poster ng X32. . Or baka nagkamali ung salesman. Ill try to recheck it again. . Ill give you guys feedback as soon as i can. .
Hintayin namin yan bro!! Salamat!
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: jeo on December 12, 2013, 04:52:39 PM
update, who has an AI na :) https://www.facebook.com/alvin.quisumbing/posts/677830198904253
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on December 13, 2013, 01:41:22 AM
finally i got to touch an x32 mixer on hand, first impression wow a lot of features macho pogi points
very nice big lcd screen and offcourse all moving faders. kaya pala maraming na in love dito kahit pa behringer sya. hehe
sound quality average sya.
ang tanging lamang lang ng presonus mixer ay sound quality.
pero x32 ok din not bad as our instinc says pag behringer??? alam na. hehe
mas enjoy gamitin x32, pero presonus mabigat pag dating sa tunugan.
for me, i like them both no comparison to each his own!
Feature-wise at budget-wise iwan na iwan ng X32 ang Presonus. Dati akong Presonus user pero switched to X32 dahil ang daming wala sa Presonus na nasa X32.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: topgone on October 12, 2014, 03:55:56 PM
agree ako sir xelly pero sa tunog magkaiba i own both. :)
i vote for presonus sa tunog.
pero sa features x32 ako.
Title: Re: Behringer X32 vs. Presonus SL vs. Soundcraft SI Expression Digital Mixers
Post by: Xelly on October 13, 2014, 03:10:39 PM