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The Musician Forums => Pinoydrums => Topic started by: waybine on May 25, 2006, 11:33:21 PM
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Any comment please. Thanks!
Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7lkfRamfKQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7lkfRamfKQ)
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Weee. May nagsabi na sakin nito hindi ako naniwala :lol:
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Weee. May nagsabi na sakin nito hindi ako naniwala :lol:
Hi! What do you mean hindi ka naniwala? Thanks!
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sabi kasi nung kakilala ko meron daw siya nakita double pedal pero isang paa lang gagamitin.. tinawanan ko lang sabi ko walang ganun :lol:
Meron pla tlga.. Hehe
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sabi kasi nung kakilala ko meron daw siya nakita double pedal pero isang paa lang gagamitin.. tinawanan ko lang sabi ko walang ganun :lol:
Meron pla tlga.. Hehe
Pareho pala tayo ng reaction, :lol:
Have you checked the site? May video demo akong pinost ng Duallist. Check it out, it's amazing.
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Oo bro. hehehe. Kung hindi ko pa nakita yung video mo hindi pa ko maniniwala... Ahihihi. May nagbebenta kaya nyan dito sa pinas?
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Oo bro. hehehe. Kung hindi ko pa nakita yung video mo hindi pa ko maniniwala... Ahihihi. May nagbebenta kaya nyan dito sa pinas?
Di ko lang sure meron nito dito. Interested din ako makakita at sana masubukan man lang. Pero mahal, almost $350 and price nya sa US. Hindi lang yun meron pa palang Duallist TRIPLE KICK Double Pedals. :lol: Nasa $600 naman yun!
Check this out: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/home/navigation?q=Duallist
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Oo bro. hehehe. Kung hindi ko pa nakita yung video mo hindi pa ko maniniwala... Ahihihi. May nagbebenta kaya nyan dito sa pinas?
Di ko lang sure meron nito dito. Interested din ako makakita at sana masubukan man lang. Pero mahal, almost $350 and price nya sa US. Hindi lang yun meron pa palang Duallist TRIPLE KICK Double Pedals. :lol: Nasa $600 naman yun!
Check this out: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/home/navigation?q=Duallist
Waaaaa! Grabe naman yun triple beater!!! Hahaha. Ano yun? panggawa ng triplets?? hehe.
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i've been planning to buy that since it came out last year, kaso ka-presyo kasi ng laptop eh. hehehehe...
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bah,another gimmick,dont buy.mas mabuti pa kung matutunan mo na lng ang technique na mag triplets sa single ped
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Meron ba nito sa Pinas "Dualist Double Bass Single Foot Pedal"?.. o may ibang brand na ganito din.. yun affordable lang...
Topics merged.
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dba yun yung pagtaas ng foot mo eh tatama ulit... ludwig yata yon eh..
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lung sinsabi mo ata eh ung single foot para sa bass pero dalawa ung beater syensya d ako magaling mag-explain meron nyan dito try mo ung gibraltar at sonor i think ung sonor ay nasa 11k at ung gibraltar nasa 18k
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Meron ba nito sa Pinas "Dualist Double Bass Single Foot Pedal"?.. o may ibang brand na ganito din.. yun affordable lang...
wala p dito yan bro.
kung meron man, sobrang mahal.
=)
meron tayong pinoy endorser nyan, asa UK nga lang.
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mahal talaga yan bro....pagaralan ko na lang siguro yung ginagawa ni jojo mayer :lol:
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Nakakita ako sa isang instruments store.. grbe mga 16-20k.. ang mahal...
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May ganto ako dati nung prep ako
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bought and owned one, i'm glad i got rid of it. its really very novel but once you get down to really using it, you'll realise that nothing compares to the feel and possibilities even with the most conventional/unbranded double pedal there is. no matter what adjustments could be done to it, there is no way, i repeat NO WAY that you could make it responsive and light like a standard doubleped. you ought to have huge legs or calfs for that matter. and there are a lot of double pedalin beat patterns that you couldnt do with this pedal. if you just want to cheat your way through single strokes and simple triplets, then this could be for you. switching between single and double mode, is not tricky, its almost next to impossible, considering that the lockin/switchin mechanism is matigas, sometimes di pa kumakagat. it takes a while before gettin used to it but i just didnt have the patience and would rather exert my efforts in learnin how to double ped properly with standard doublepeds. the adverts/videos make it look easy but trust me, it isnt. luckily someone insisted in buyin it off me despite my warnings. im pretty sure he's tossed it out the window already.
here's a pic of it insulting my kit. im never gonna treat my humble kit that way again i swear: (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f307/oramismo/DSC0004250a.jpg)
ps: it is also not stable or flatly secured/aligned/parallel to the floor when attached to the kick...naka-angat yung pwet nya ng konti and when i use it my kick and rack toms are shakin like crazy. and the beaters weigh like a rock..1 duallist beater is heavier than 2 pearl quad beaters. overall, the device's disadvantages outweigh its benefits. some could disagree but this is my piece of mind and i hope it helps.
:mrgreen:
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idol! ganda ng pillows mo a :mrgreen:
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:? kalokohan yang duallist na yan :-(
nothing beats the double pedal :-)
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idol! ganda ng pillows mo a :mrgreen:
ahahay! hule! :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D dont worry wala na yan dyan! di na ako nag pipilows! it was a gift, kahiya naman itapon tapos biglang hanapin. hehehe
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There are plenty of products out on the market right now which can help us drummers play better and become more creative. But when it comes to playing plenty of kick drum notes, I don't want to cheat on it. I'd rather work hard on my double bass technique than getting a contraption like the Duallist Pedal to make things easier. Double pedal pa rin para sa akin!
There are probably a few drummers who can practically use the Duallist Pedal. For example: physically challenged drummers - those with one leg, or somebody with a temporarily injured leg.
The Duallist Pedal is not for everybody. It is indeed a novel product. If a drummer uses a Duallist Pedal, I want to see and hear him/her play creative parts out of it, not just a way of cheating on double bass patterns.
Which reminds me... I'll look for some Thomas Lang videos on YouTube. He has this Sonor Twin Effect pedal (similar concept as the Duallist) on his setup, which plays a percussion block. Now that sounds creative...
8-)
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i'd still go for single peds. :-D hehehe siguro wla lang akong pambili.
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Cools kaso mukhang fake ung pedal. para gawa sa plastic
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ok sana.. kaya lang madaya pag tamad ka mag foot exercise pwede yan....o kaya pag recording pwede mong dayain pero double peds pa rin ako mas maganda kasi kung may effort ang bawat srokes na pinag-aaralan mo.
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bro subukan mong mag heel-toe prang ganun din ung tunog prang naka double peds k rin
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mga sir!wala po nun dito pero may alam po ako na ganun. its sonor,check nyo po sa net. :-)
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sonor giant step ba yun?
i think i've seen it. i think it aint worth it.
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naku? guys, agree ba kau sakin na hndi xa ok? kc parang kadayaan na un db? ung duallist na yan! may triple peds pa un db?
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para sakin isang malaking kahibangan....
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para sakin isang malaking kahibangan....
Hindi naman siguro... Gaya nga ng sabi ni sir Anthony, There are plenty of products out on the market right now which can help us drummers play better and become more creative.
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magkano ba pinakamurang dualist peds?..
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i want to be the :evil: 's advocate
common guys, its a TOOL and what do tools do for us? make our work easier :roll:
if i use a hammer to drive a nail to the wall, am i cheating? or i now use cordless driver to screw down stuff, is it still cheating since i no longer have to do manual effort?
its "supposed" to let you do things fast. as a tool, it has its pros and cons, its not the end all and be all (why do you need 2 kinds of hammers, the one with the claw and the other with the ball end) so use it and use your regular pedal. why put a limit on yourself?
i still use regular screw drivers when my cordless is charging :-D
i believe bangbus when he says the construction is crap, he had first hand experience, but for guys to diss on an idea, not cool :x (no disrespect bro, not aimed at you)
by the way, sonor's giant step is actually 2 footboards on one pedal. you cant play it using your regular technique. need to work on your heel-toe to properly use the pedal. you cant "cheat" here since you have to really practice to use it
the question remains: regular screw driver or black and decker cordless driver?
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meron pala talagang ganito. huhu! grabe na ito! :-o
(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/5/6/9/257569.jpg)
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alam ko knti lng yan gumagamit!!.. yun isang duallist yun original na single foot double pedal ts ngkabit nlng cla ng connection pra mgng triple peds.. astig!!
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blasphemy... :lol:
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wow
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how much kaya yan ngayon?... :)
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cguro korny yn... pero it can produce many sound possibilities nian kasi advantage mu na ung pangatlong beater. :-)
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astig yan.. pero dobol peds pa din ako
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grabeh.. durog yang product na yan sa mga nagcocomment ng demo video niyan sa youtube... cheater daw... nilait pa pati yung drummer na nagdemo and yung banda niya.. hekhek.. pero for me, mas gugustuhin ko nang paduguin utak ko sa pag-aaaral ng technique ni jojo mayer or mag dobol peds na lang kesa yan.. just me!
cheers!!!
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ayaw ko nyan! double peds parin! parang pandaraya yan eh. hehe
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mas astig parin dobol peds.. pang porma lang yun triple peds..
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it has its own purpose and advantage though for some applications. however, what i dont like about it is its inability to respond and feel like a conventional double pedal...no matter what adjustments u do it, u simply need muscular legs to operate it the way an oridinary person would on his eliminators. bottomline, it is not responsive, light and fast. plus there are lots of double pedal beats that you just couldnt do with this thing. im pretty sure yung demo artist who looks like mr. bean feels the same, his lopsided grin sends out signals that he's strugglin with it at some parts.
some of its well known endorsers include:
Will Calhoun- Living Color
Charlie Benante- Anthrax
Sola Akringbola- Jamiroquai
Ron Thaler- Alicia Keys/Rob Thomas
Denny Seinwell- Paul McCartney
Miles Bould- Sugababes
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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sana may maglabas ng apat.. para sisiw na ang 32 beat hehehe
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guys need some help here,
I believe each and every drummer here in Philmusic knows this stuff that I want to have,
Where I can buy a DUALLIST?
click this for more infos that I'm pertaining of
www.duallist.com
just reply here
ty
Rock on my fellow Drummers,
"Drumming is not easy that's why you need to study it, you bastard!!! he he he"
- jdc
ty
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^grammar fail.
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google mo bro. or pa-order ka na lang kay Sir Vinci. thedrumshopmanila.com :wink:
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ive saw this product featured on moderndrummer ata or DRUM! magazine, super ganda..
sana may nag bebenta dito sa pinas.
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^grammar fail.
bakit bro ano problem? nagpapahanap ako sa pamangkin ko nito...
kung my prob ka wag ka ng MAGPASIKAT dito dahil hindi ito pasikatan oks, ako lang naman ngpapaphanap sa pamangkin ko nito,
may BIG DEAL ka ba sa GRAMMAR?
Dud COMMON SENSE na lang not unless YOU HAVE A COMMON SENSE oks, kung may alam ka na my mali, HUWAG MO NG I POST DITO OKS... para ka kasi NAGPAPANSIN eh...
KSP kb?
it looks like you're looking for a trouble man?!!!
sino ka ba para MANITA dito ng mga ganitong comments?
kung may sasabihin ka sa isang member dito, i PM mo nalang kaya ginawa yun eh o sadyang HINDI KA MARUNONG, [grape] ka pala eh!
PAKIREVIEW ULIT YUNG RULES ANG REGULATIONS DITO para maliwanagan ka...
HUWAG KANG MANGUNGUTYA kung ayaw mo din KUTYAIN ka oks...
SIMPLE LANG RESPETUHIN MO SARILI MO BAGO ANG IBANG TAO DITO not unless marunong kang rumespeto... nincompoop!!!
Rock on... PEace out!!!
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google mo bro. or pa-order ka na lang kay Sir Vinci. thedrumshopmanila.com :wink:
ty for the advised sir...
God Bless...
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ive saw this product featured on moderndrummer ata or DRUM! magazine, super ganda..
sana may nag bebenta dito sa pinas.
sana nga sir... :mrgreen:
God Bless!!!
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google mo bro. or pa-order ka na lang kay Sir Vinci. thedrumshopmanila.com :wink:
+1 to this! unfortunately walang local dealer sa pinas nito.. ako man trip ko dati magkaganito eh! :lol:
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+1 to this! unfortunately walang local dealer sa pinas nito.. ako man trip ko dati magkaganito eh! :lol:
sayang talaga... :-( :?
sige hahanap pa din me ng way just ti have that stuff... :roll: :mrgreen:
ty mga sir.... :-D :lol: 8-)
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^grammar fail.
yep man, hindi namn to english class eh :lol:
dapat nag tutulungan tayong mga musicians hindi nag babarahan hehe
btw, ankulet nung 3ple beater ng dualist ah, meron na ba dito nakagamit nito? review naman :lol:
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@ killikillers ty sir, yung iba kasi dito PAPANSIN nalang para SUMIKAT!!!
akala yata Philmusic parang STARSTRUCK!!!
KSP lang yun.
ayuz at cool t\yung 3ple beater nga eh, ac2ly yun ang 3p kong mkbili,,,
wala pa me nkkta o nbsa dito sa forum na gumagamit ng 1 of the duallist product, imported kc hehe
ty
God Bless!!!
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bakit kaya pag masyadong mahal ang product hindi na nakakarating sa pilipinas?? hehehe.. sana man lang kahit limited lang maglabas sila.. hehehe.. :-D
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bakit bro ano problem? nagpapahanap ako sa pamangkin ko nito...
kung my prob ka wag ka ng MAGPASIKAT dito dahil hindi ito pasikatan oks, ako lang naman ngpapaphanap sa pamangkin ko nito,
may BIG DEAL ka ba sa GRAMMAR?
Dud COMMON SENSE na lang not unless YOU HAVE A COMMON SENSE oks, kung may alam ka na my mali, HUWAG MO NG I POST DITO OKS... para ka kasi NAGPAPANSIN eh...
KSP kb?
it looks like you're looking for a trouble man?!!!
sino ka ba para MANITA dito ng mga ganitong comments?
kung may sasabihin ka sa isang member dito, i PM mo nalang kaya ginawa yun eh o sadyang HINDI KA MARUNONG, [grape] ka pala eh!
PAKIREVIEW ULIT YUNG RULES ANG REGULATIONS DITO para maliwanagan ka...
HUWAG KANG MANGUNGUTYA kung ayaw mo din KUTYAIN ka oks...
SIMPLE LANG RESPETUHIN MO SARILI MO BAGO ANG IBANG TAO DITO not unless marunong kang rumespeto... nincompoop!!!
Rock on... PEace out!!!
marunong naman palang magtagalog e. sana yan nalang kagad ginamit mo para hindi mahirap basahin. yun lang naman point ko. language is used to be understood; if not, then why use it at all.
if those two words from my reply elicited this kind of response from you, i must be doing something right.
and no, i'm not looking for trouble. you might jump out of my monitor and kick my ass. we wouldn't want that now, do we? :roll:
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^grammar fail.
gusto kulang mag labas ng hinanakit dito sa philmusic minsan kasi mga tao ang gagaling mag english.. ang galing din manlait ng tao.. let me remind you that its philmusic..
pinoy tayo mga sir.. pero kung itatama nyu po yung tao dapat may respect parin kasi tao din po yan ikaw tao karin hindi po ba sir? kung ikaw ipahiya dito matutuwa ka po ba?
kaya minsan hindi na ako nag popost eh.. puros basa nalang..
godbless to all.
:wink:
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e P O T A n G I n A nyo pala e, magsitahimik na lang kau para wlang away
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@ metalmulisha
nice words of wisdom ba yan?
think twice or thrice before you post
atsaka malay ba ng pamangkin ko...
bata pa kaya di pa msydong mgling sa ENGLISH,
DON'T ooperan ko cya ng ENGLISH tutorial sau kc mukhang magaling ka sa ENGLISH...
don't worry...
"we're only humans, born to make mistakes" tandaan mo yan at kung tipo kang call center agent na paenglish english ka kahit off duty and even dito sa forum na ito nadadala mo ang KAANGASAN mo, dud mag ESEP ESEP ka dahil dito walang lugar ang katuladmo,
ngpapahap lang ako sa pamangkin ko ng gamit na pwede gamitin tapos gaganyanin mo?
MAG ISIP KA NGA?!!!
ang dating kc ng comment mo so offensive dud lalo na bata pa ngcomment malay ba nya
ang tindi mo din
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS dud!!!
@ littile nikki
ty sa words/replies u po mam/sir,
hayaan mo nalang, may araw din yang mga yan
God Bless po!!!
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e P O T A n G I n A nyo pala e, magsitahimik na lang kau para wlang away
P.I. ka din
dud kung wala kang maitutulong tumahimik ka nalang...
oks
ty
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sir tanong ko lang po kung nakagamit na kayo nito tsaka how good is Duallist from the leading brands like DW, Pearl, Tama, etc.
meron po bang feature/s na wala po sa iba? Thanks in advance.
karagdagan lang po...
"a good man see mistakes, but the better man admit mistakes... " WM (not Wapak Man) :-D
peace na po tayo dito...let's focus more on the inquiry of our brother.
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better ask bangbus. sya ang nakatry na ng duallist. he told me it wasnt good.
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better ask bangbus. sya ang nakatry na ng duallist. he told me it wasnt good.
aw, i see... but reading the features, mukhang competetive sya sa leading brands.
siguro personal preference talaga ang magdi-dictate.
@thedrummer421 - try nyo sir sa drumshop ni sir Vincher, naka-order nako before sa knya. it only takes time kung wala sa stocks nya, because of the shipping.
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PAKIUSAP:
let's stick to the topic guys.. anything OT pa-remove na lang para di magkasakitan.. each of us is entitled to comment whether on a positive or negative note.. thing is, if it would offend someone else (not just the intended person(s), but as well as the people reading the thread) pls do it via PM para malinis at maayos ang thread.. please guys, let's be fair to all and let's state our personal comments via PM na lang.. maganda ung intention ng TS, informative din sa lahat.. anything OT paayos na lang po. let's be fair to all ok? thanks! :-)
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ty po sa mga ngreply
i'm wonderin din kc kung anung experience pg my duallist kn hehehe
cge sbhin ko nlng sa uncle ko. ty po sir...
:-D :-) :evil: :roll: :mrgreen:
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meh some people are just too serious. what's wrong with saying "grammar fail"-- it's funny. just like this picture:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3239/2889297798_97a117c5f6.jpg)
it's not funny if we're in china because we wouldn't be obligated to know english there, but this is the philippines, english is a lingua franca here.
lighten up. this is a music forum. if you're really, really serious about drums, go learn zappa's black page right now, master playing in 19/16 or something, and don't waste precious time on an internet forum.
matuto kasing wag mapikon.
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BTT:
some opinions floating around the net re: the duallist say it's cheating. i disagree with that just because music is not a game/competition. if something can help you create music then it has served its purpose.
some people also say that it has durability issues and that the sonor giant step models are a better choice. that's just according to them btw.
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guys need some help here,
I believe each and every drummer here in Philmusic knows this stuff that I want to have,
Where I can buy a DUALLIST?
click this for more infos that I'm pertaining of
www.duallist.com
just reply here
ty
Rock on my fellow Drummers,
"Drumming is not easy that's why you need to study it, you bastard!!! he he he"
- jdc
ty
let's just answer his question kasi yun naman talaga ang objective ng thread na to, kahit may konting error sa grammar eh naiintindihan pa rin naman natin. so i don't see anything wrong with it, lalo na, hindi naman niya sinasadya. anyway. desidido ka na ba sa Duallist talaga bro? D1, 2 or D3?
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mas mahal pa sa axis double ped yang dualist e, bulky pa. its clearly a waste of moneyin my opinion.
bakit ndi na lang pagaralan ng nephew mo na mag pedal slide, heel-toe or swivel technique para magtunog double peds sya...o kaya hand to feet quads para mas lalong tunog double peds. kahit mga simpleng single ped lang pwede na, parang duallist na at a very huge fraction of the duallist's price.
opinion lang po...
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mas mahal pa sa axis double ped yang dualist e, bulky pa. its clearly a waste of moneyin my opinion.
bakit ndi na lang pagaralan ng nephew mo na mag pedal slide, heel-toe or swivel technique para magtunog double peds sya...o kaya hand to feet quads para mas lalong tunog double peds. kahit mga simpleng single ped lang pwede na, parang duallist na at a very huge fraction of the duallist's price.
opinion lang po...
i guess duellist creators wanted to be known in their own way. i mean, siguro yung ang gusto nila i-establish...but definitely you have a good point.
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astig parang robot hehe
(http://www.drumza.com/images/DuallistTripleKickDoublePedal.jpg)
pilipino naman tayo kaya ok lang kahit di ganun ka tama ang grammar. saka pinoy site naman po ito. domain name pa lang ng site halata na kung para kanino. saka nagkakaintindihan pa din naman kahit mali mali ang grammar. nakapag aral lang po tayo ng english kaya may alam tayo o advantage dun sa ibang natututo pa lang ng propper grammar. peace! :)
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pilipino naman tayo kaya ok lang kahit di ganun ka tama ang grammar. saka pinoy site naman po ito. domain name pa lang ng site halata na kung para kanino. saka nagkakaintindihan pa din naman kahit mali mali ang grammar. nakapag aral lang po tayo ng english kaya may alam tayo o advantage dun sa ibang natututo pa lang ng propper grammar. peace! :)
tama!
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ty po sa mga mga tumutulong at ngbabasa nitong thread/post po
tama po kayo kaya nga sa aking nsbi d2 ay kung walang mgawang matino, manahimik nalang dahil HINDI NAMAN NAKAKATULONG sa forum na ito,di ko nga maintindihan kung bakit my mga taong ganun, simpleng maling GRAMMAR, mg REREACT na, akala mong PONCIO PILATO na magaling sa ENGLISH
maybe he's good in ENGLISH especially in grammar but maybe he's not good in music, di katulad ng others do here in PHILMUSIC, RESPECTING all post/threads here...
maiaadvised ko nalang i review nya yung GOLDEN RULE by CONFUCIUS para maintindihan nya lalo, imbes na iADMIT lalo pang ipinagyayabang dito sa thread na ito, alam nyo guys kung my rules lang dito sa Philmusic na pwedeng iblock yung acct, cguro ang dami ng nablocked acct d2 na musikero anu pero mabait pa din yung mga pipz behind this site kaya MORE POWER po sa inyo po mga sir and ma'am...
ty sa mga replies po, dnt wori ifoforward ko po ito sa uncle ko na nghahahnap po nito, SALAMAT at Goodnight...
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mas mahal pa sa axis double ped yang dualist e, bulky pa. its clearly a waste of moneyin my opinion.
bakit ndi na lang pagaralan ng nephew mo na mag pedal slide, heel-toe or swivel technique para magtunog double peds sya...o kaya hand to feet quads para mas lalong tunog double peds. kahit mga simpleng single ped lang pwede na, parang duallist na at a very huge fraction of the duallist's price.
opinion lang po...
+ 1,000!!
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nakagamet ako niyan dun sa kung san nag aaral mag tambol yung pamangkin ko. nakakatuwa siya pero d ko trip. d naman din siya madaya kase iba din yung pasok nung double niya. kumbaga pag aaralan mo din. ayun. natuwa lang ako. pero cguro dahil matagal nakong single ped user, d ko siya talaga tripan. nakakatuwa lang.
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ang pogi nung pedal pre a. kanu ba presyo nyan? :-D
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alam niyo? wla nang mag mumurahan, mag iinit ang ulo. Lets leave it in the past. kung pwede no more off topic na replies. Lets get back to the DUALIST. :-D
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my ng offer na kc samin ng 18k daw all in one package with shipping also
sir ty sa mga replies...
gus2ng gus2 kc ng uncle ko yan mkbili hehehe :-D
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bro pwede mo kausapin si turiguiliano, eto yung thread nya, andyan yung contact details
http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,150548.0.html
nagiimport sya ng mga guitar effects from the states, so kung mabibili sa USA yan, kaya nya dalhin dito sa pinas.
or pwede din sa pobox.ph
hope this helps...
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ty dud.. :-D :mrgreen:
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my ng offer na kc samin ng 18k daw all in one package with shipping also
sir ty sa mga replies...
gus2ng gus2 kc ng uncle ko yan mkbili hehehe :-D
prang masyadong mura sa 18k yan.. check nyo mabuti sir.. bka mascam kayo..
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prang masyadong mura sa 18k yan.. check nyo mabuti sir.. bka mascam kayo..
actually 18K is quite reasonble naman, it cost $349 sa musiciansfriend and kung gamitin mo yung "black box" sa pobox.ph e magdadagdag ka ng $30 so $379 using today's exchange rate, PhP 17300.00 ( http://coinmill.com/PHP_USD.html#USD=380 leaves the seller with a little profit..