Post by: karl666 on February 16, 2016, 10:17:45 PM
I decided to switch from multieffects to analog last year. Before, i was using only a danelectro power supply (like a one spot that can connect daisy chain in it). Unfortunately after using it for almost 4 years, it's broken now. So i've been looking for a decent power supply for days. I went to Lazer then saw this Joyo Power Supply 2 for only P3200, i wasn't able to buy the power supply yesterday because I left my ATM card. When I got home, I read some reviews about it and got some bad feedback. It says on the manual that it's an isolated power supply but based on some reviews it's not.
Please help me find a good one, i have so many questions about it. What is regulated? Isolated? how does it work? I've searched about it but still can't understand. :cry: :cry: :cry:
Post by: lolwat on February 17, 2016, 01:58:08 AM
Isolated power supplies' taps have outputs that are not connected to one another, which means each pedal is getting power separately from the others, which eliminates the chances of power supply noise from one pedal getting into others. Some examples of isolated power supplies currently available are the OneSpot Pro series, the Dunlop Iso Brick (highly recommended by yours truly by the way), and the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 Plus.
Post by: CeL1916 on February 17, 2016, 02:12:16 AM
Power supplies like your old Danelectro, the original OneSpot, all the types that rely on daisy-chained DC cables, and a number of "brick" power supplies like the Dunlop DC Brick, the Mac Smith power supplies, etc. are NOT isolated. In other words, they all share connections (if you use a multimeter to check continuity between DC plugs' negative (or positive) conductors, you will hear a beep/see a light/ read zero.) In theory this may cause some noise especially when you make analog and digital pedals share the same power, but if your particular unit has enough mA to power all your pedals comfortably, it's usually quiet enough to not be bothersome.well explained. Diretsa sa punto.
Isolated power supplies' taps have outputs that are not connected to onei another, which means each pedal is getting power separately from the others, which eliminates the chances of power supply noise from one pedal getting into others. Some examples of isolated power supplies currently available are the OneSpot Pro series, the Dunlop Iso Brick (highly recommended by yours truly by the way), and the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 Plus.
BTT:
Gumagawa ng isolated si sir emil of pedalmax.
Post by: cayle on February 17, 2016, 09:31:42 AM
Post by: karl666 on February 17, 2016, 10:35:11 AM
Power supplies like your old Danelectro, the original OneSpot, all the types that rely on daisy-chained DC cables, and a number of "brick" power supplies like the Dunlop DC Brick, the Mac Smith power supplies, etc. are NOT isolated. In other words, they all share connections (if you use a multimeter to check continuity between DC plugs' negative (or positive) conductors, you will hear a beep/see a light/ read zero.) In theory this may cause some noise especially when you make analog and digital pedals share the same power, but if your particular unit has enough mA to power all your pedals comfortably, it's usually quiet enough to not be bothersome.Thanks bro, helps a lot
Isolated power supplies' taps have outputs that are not connected to one another, which means each pedal is getting power separately from the others, which eliminates the chances of power supply noise from one pedal getting into others. Some examples of isolated power supplies currently available are the OneSpot Pro series, the Dunlop Iso Brick (highly recommended by yours truly by the way), and the Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 Plus.
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Post by: karl666 on February 17, 2016, 10:36:27 AM
well explained. Diretsa sa punto.Yes, i was thinking of getting one from sir emil. Can't decide yet. Thanks bro.
BTT:
Gumagawa ng isolated si sir emil of pedalmax.
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Post by: karl666 on February 17, 2016, 10:39:06 AM
What's your budget for the PSU and how many outputs do you need? What other features do you need from it? I'd prefer to shell out a bit of cash for power supplies. Good isolated power supplies can reduce noise in your rig. Cheap power supplies can add more noise, and can potentially damage your pedal. Check out Cioks or Voodoo Lab power supplies.Actually I need at least 6 9v and 1 12v. I've read reviews about voodoo, I'll check out Cioks. Btw i saw this t-rex at lazer for 8k. Is it worth it?
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Post by: lolwat on February 17, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
Actually I need at least 6 9v and 1 12v. I've read reviews about voodoo, I'll check out Cioks. Btw i saw this t-rex at lazer for 8k. Is it worth it?
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If you're talking about the TRex Goliath (gray) yes that's a well-known and highly favored PSU. You might be better off with PedalMax's products though kasi pwede mo i-customize.
Post by: voidmain on February 17, 2016, 12:00:34 PM
Post by: karl666 on February 17, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
If you're talking about the TRex Goliath (gray) yes that's a well-known and highly favored PSU. You might be better off with PedalMax's products though kasi pwede mo i-customize.Thanks bro. I'll contact sir Emil.
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Post by: karl666 on February 17, 2016, 12:02:58 PM
I think the Goliath was priced at 12k sa Lazer (kung tama alala ko). IMHO, you're better off with Emil's stuff. I've had one for 5 years now. Hindi pa rin bumibigay sa akin. Heck, haven't even had to change the fuse on mine.I also saw that goliath for 11.5k. Thanks bro... will reach sir emil. ;)
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Post by: cayle on February 17, 2016, 12:23:01 PM
Actually I need at least 6 9v and 1 12v. I've read reviews about voodoo, I'll check out Cioks. Btw i saw this t-rex at lazer for 8k. Is it worth it?
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Sakto ang Pedal Power 2+ from Voodoo Lab for you, which is around 8k yata. Also check out the Cioks DC8.
Post by: karl666 on February 17, 2016, 12:31:53 PM
Sakto ang Pedal Power 2+ from Voodoo Lab for you, which is around 8k yata. Also check out the Cioks DC8.Thanks bro. Will check on that.
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Post by: thkh on February 17, 2016, 10:02:46 PM
Post by: karl666 on February 18, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
Check out the new Truetone/Visual Sound One Spot Pro CS7, it's priced around $120. Slightly cheaper than the Voodoo Lab stuff.
Thanks bro, do you know where i could purchase that precious?
Post by: bisckye on November 18, 2019, 11:06:11 PM
May nakagamit naba sa inyo ng joyo portable power supply? Jmp 01 at jp 05? Wala kasi ako mahanapan ng volto dito sa uae , joyo lang available, salamat guys 😁
Post by: dewberry on November 19, 2019, 02:35:57 AM
Post by: emil_murillo on November 19, 2019, 11:11:03 AM
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also repaired (for free) his digitech whammy's orig adapter (110V) after using it accidentally in a wrong outlet (220V).. as per my suggestion before he order a psu unit so he will have the means to test his digitech whammy if it still working or if also damaged upon the dielectric breakdown.. ▼
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Looks like okay bro yung JP-05. Yan gamit ni Ocho Queso. So far parang gamit nya pa rin.
Here's Ocho's pedalmax power supply circa 2009 (after ondoy) right before i started the pedalmax facebook page ▼
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but google says joyo jp-05 release date was ▼
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Post by: emil_murillo on November 19, 2019, 11:35:35 AM
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Post by: dewberry on November 19, 2019, 08:21:57 PM
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Post by: emil_murillo on November 19, 2019, 10:15:01 PM
Ako naman na kita ko sa Post nya last March 6, 2019 Pedalboard PH na FB group. Dahil daw na sabotahe and para ma avoid mga accident sa stage haha.
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may ilan na din akong nadidinig na ganyan mula pa and artists.. in my opinion dapat gumagawa na ng solution ang handlers ng gig kasi may tech guys naman sila and just like any other event kahit hindi concert dapat may safety personnel and that includes concerns about the entire electrical system.. an electrical engineer that supervises like a sound engineer to audio concerns.. atleast kahit 10 ang pahinante kahit hindi aral atleast a single electrical engineer supervising them and will follow certain electrical standards.. magkaron na sana ng standards among gigs and concert events.. if the pay is good naman i believe improvements such as these would mean win-win among musicians and to all who matters..
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Post by: emil_murillo on November 19, 2019, 11:28:01 PM
Hello buhayin ko lang etong thread may kaunting katanungan lang ,
May nakagamit naba sa inyo ng joyo portable power supply? Jmp 01 at jp 05? Wala kasi ako mahanapan ng volto dito sa uae , joyo lang available, salamat guys 😁
if you are looking for a rechargeable power supply or that comes with a power bank like pedaltrain volto.. go grab one.. it's a very nice improvement for a power supply to have one most especially if power surges are very frequent in your place.. if you don't have any problems with "ground loop" or "ground loop hum", or "crosstalks", or "channel separation" then you'll be just fine.. but then kung sakaling meron man and/or only if you do have it.. "i advice to use separate batteries na lang.. atleast it will break the ground loop because every battery has separate (-) lugs or ground..
►►►NOTE: all batteries have (+) and (-) polarities by which the (-) is used as an alternative or substitute to (GND) ground.. logically both have currents flowing.. unlike single power supplies which only have (V+) and (GND) by which an ideal ground have "0 current".. "if you share a single supply having substantial current on the (GND) ground to several loads (pedals), each ground loop produces more and intense MAGNETIC FIELD compare to ground loops with an ideal "0 current' single supply.. just like sharing batteries to several loads (pedals)
THE MORE GROUND LOOP ◄► THE MORE GROUND LOOP HUM
(https://pedalmaxpsuph.webs.com/Ground%20Loop%20Hum%20(SHARING%20BATTERY).png) (https://pedalmaxpsuph.webs.com/Ground%20Loop%20Hum%20(SHARING%20BATTERY).png)
THE MORE GROUND LOOP ◄► THE MORE GROUND LOOP HUM
(https://pedalmaxpsuph.webs.com/Ground%20Loop%20Hum%20(SHARING%20PSU).png) (https://pedalmaxpsuph.webs.com/Ground%20Loop%20Hum%20(SHARING%20PSU).png)
WITH GROUND LOOP BROKEN ◄► NO GROUND LOOP HUM
(https://pedalmaxpsuph.webs.com/Ground%20Loop%20Break%20(SEPARATE%20ADAPTERS).png) (https://pedalmaxpsuph.webs.com/Ground%20Loop%20Break%20(SEPARATE%20ADAPTERS).png)
WITH GROUND LOOP BROKEN ◄► NO GROUND LOOP HUM
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GROUND LOOP BROKEN ◄► NO GROUND LOOP HUM
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Post by: bisckye on November 20, 2019, 02:52:16 AM
Post by: emil_murillo on November 20, 2019, 07:19:37 AM
Salamat po sa advice mga 5 mins bago mag sink in sakin hehe
basta ang potential power supply regardless of brands to having ground loop and/or ground loop hum and crosstalks or degrading channel separation are those psu using the same ground or psu distributed in parallel or to electronics' local term "TAP".. pero hindi naman lahat ng pedals are manifesting significant high audible noise (not producing significant magnetic field) even though logically may ground loop because of using the same ground distributed to all pedals.. you have to be experienced or proficient enough to sort which pedal/s needs isolation or not..
◄◄◄ PROS AND CONS ►►►
► DAISYCHAIN:
the biggest advantage nga lang na alam ng nakararami to power supply with single circuit is the freedom to change pedals one after another basta the same voltage (9V).. may clear deviation nga lang with comes to channel separation or galvanic isolation kasi significant and inevitable ang ground loop.. and if you're proficient enough you will notice that you are limited to a few numbers of pedals that are not manifesting high audible ground loop hum.. and another clear advantage is low price.. clearly a single psu circuit is cheaper than psu with several circuits and an isolation transformer..
► ISOLATED:
the biggest advantage is galvanic isolation up to 500KV-800KV pulse.. breaks ground loops = no significant ground loop hum, no crosstalks, with decent (if not superior) audio channel separation.. but most psu models tends to limit you to certain specs (mainly current).. imagine you have an all isolated psu with 5 x 100mA.. you can't use Boss DD-20, Boss DD-500, or even a Strymon blueSky (what more Eventide pedals) or simply your acqusition of pedals are limited to low consuming pedals.. there were brands with specs having more choices.. but experience taught us that when you have big pedalboards and/or got complex and intense power needs (hybrid powering) → you will need 2 or more (branded) isolated psu to handle all those.. you can try search google image, key word "big pedalboards" to see..
► a humble thought:
If there's a way to acquire all the pedals you've always wanted without worrying about issues on ground loop, ground loop hum, crosstalk, channel separation, hybrid powering e.g. 9V, 24V, 40V, USB, Dual Supply (+9V 0 -9V), CT (2x18VAC), switchables, variables/SAG, warranty (if not a clear & decent repair), and in a single power supply unit with a reasonable price..
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Post by: curiousdcat on November 20, 2019, 07:48:28 AM
May I ask though if isolated and regulated non-rechargeable PSUs having toroidal transformers better? Or are they merely marketing hype?
Thanks!
Post by: emil_murillo on November 20, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
Great info above! Thanks @emil_murillo! :)
May I ask though if isolated and regulated non-rechargeable PSUs having toroidal transformers better? Or are they merely marketing hype?
Thanks!
hi sir.. tapusin ko lang yun unit ni maychelle baay due date niya today or tom.. magandang sagutin ito sir.. and i wanted to elaborate it clearly din.. but i will give a teaser → if the hype of torroidal transformer is so real ► why does top guitar amp brand such as fender, marshall, or mesa boogie doesn't use torroidal transformer on all their amp models?? or even those new line 6, digitech/harman, zoom 9VAC, 12VAc, 15vAC adapters?? considering torroidal transformers were invented wayback late 19th century same as traditional ei transformers..
(https://edisontechcenter.org/transformer/ZBDtransformer600.jpg)
were top guitar amp brands so low tech?? were they not for real electronics/electrical/audio engineers??.. soon :)
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Post by: dewberry on November 20, 2019, 06:24:26 PM
Post by: dewberry on November 23, 2019, 05:39:52 PM
may ilan na din akong nadidinig na ganyan mula pa and artists.. in my opinion dapat gumagawa na ng solution ang handlers ng gig kasi may tech guys naman sila and just like any other event kahit hindi concert dapat may safety personnel and that includes concerns about the entire electrical system.. an electrical engineer that supervises like a sound engineer to audio concerns.. atleast kahit 10 ang pahinante kahit hindi aral atleast a single electrical engineer supervising them and will follow certain electrical standards.. magkaron na sana ng standards among gigs and concert events.. if the pay is good naman i believe improvements such as these would mean win-win among musicians and to all who matters..
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Mismo bro! Dapat look talaga ng mga organizer sa Gig yung power situations a venue.
Post by: curiousdcat on November 25, 2019, 06:33:10 AM
hi sir.. tapusin ko lang yun unit ni maychelle baay due date niya today or tom.. magandang sagutin ito sir.. and i wanted to elaborate it clearly din.. but i will give a teaser → if the hype of torroidal transformer is so real ► why does top guitar amp brand such as fender, marshall, or mesa boogie doesn't use torroidal transformer on all their amp models?? or even those new line 6, digitech/harman, zoom 9VAC, 12VAc, 15vAC adapters?? considering torroidal transformers were invented wayback late 19th century same as traditional ei transformers..
(https://edisontechcenter.org/transformer/ZBDtransformer600.jpg)
were top guitar amp brands so low tech?? were they not for real electronics/electrical/audio engineers??.. soon :)
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Thanks po. Abangan ko. :)
So far, I could see where you are going. While I agree that advancements in technology does improve a lot of things, pwede kayang hindi din sya applicable for all things? Case in point, tube amps versus Fractals etc. I will say that if I were to listen to recordings only, convincing na ang mga modelling amps pero sa live, iba pa rin ang feel ng tube amps especially if you were the one playing based on experience.
I know very little about electronics and I hope I have not been brainwashed by the stuff on the Internet and endorsements by respected players. I just would want to keep my mind open and learn more about the nitty-gritty of things to be able to determine kung gusto ko talaga one or the other, or kung nakikisabay lang ako sa uso when it comes to selecting gears.
Please do educate me about the pros and cons of toroidal transformers over the others when you already have time.
More power to you, sir. (No pun intended :D)
Post by: emil_murillo on November 25, 2019, 04:05:46 PM
Great info above! Thanks @emil_murillo! :)
May I ask though if isolated and regulated non-rechargeable PSUs having toroidal transformers better? Or are they merely marketing hype?
Thanks!
merely marketing hype?
►►► i like to start with this one first.. i am a business administration major in marketing graduate.. i didn't graduate with honors and tried doing college and work at the same time to pay for the part of tution fees and my entire school allowance and end up finishing a single course nearly a decade.. ► And now here's my average/simple take.. for me i believe the best marketing strategy is to highlight the product's strength.. wether be the scale is 1/10 or 9/10 as long as it was the truth and you can back-up (reinforce) the info.. that's social responsibility.. i even remember my mentor's version of his definition of marketing → "Marketing is a place, a group of people, a situation where in there is an exchange of goods and services with the intention to earn profit in a socially responsible manner".. i remebered too.. "sabi nga niya, kung based on deception ang marketing strategy mo.. wala kang pinagkaiba sa nagtitinda ng fake products".. "you are not doing business but instead you are an oppurtunist".. and someting i forgot na "in a manner of speaking".. therefore, a marketing hype, or a marketing stunt, or a marketing strategy must be "in a manner of speaking", responsible.. even if there's a 1/10 or 9/10 basis of product's strength..
►►► but then again we as target consumer or sale prospects.. must have our own discretion ▼
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because we all have the right and the discretion to choose so..
toroidal transformers better?
so i believe being toroidal core and ei core transformer have it's own pros and cons to say the least..
◄◄◄ MAGNETIC FLUX ►►►
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►►► magnetic flux lines as shown above between core-type and shell-type transformer ▲
(https://pedal-max.webs.com/trans13%20-%20mafnetic%20flux%20leakage.bmp)
►►► and above showing the flux leakage of the core-type ▲
r core (core-type with Ø/1 magnetic flux)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/e7EAAOSwu4BV2Y4a/s-l300.jpg)
ei core (shell-type with Ø/2 magnetic flux)
(http://www.olino.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/s6300635a.jpg)
toroidal core (like core-type with Ø/1 magnetic flux)
(https://5.imimg.com/data5/KB/SP/MY-57051438/toroidal-transformer-500x500.png)
►►► though toroidal transformer do not have outer limbs like core-type and shell-type transformer.. still it only have Ø/1 like core-type which makes them trailing half the race behind shell-type like ei transformer which have Ø/2.. much denser magnetic flux lines the better magnetic inductance the more efficient
►►► though in some website (amgistoroids.com) they make magnetic flux models between toroidal and ei transformer highlighting the toroidal transformer having better magnetic flux lines than ei transformer.. and having corners like ei transformer will have more magnetic flux leakage than toriodal core with circular unison magnetic flux lines [click the link below]
https://www.amgistoroids.com/Toroidal_technology
(https://amgistoroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/toroidal-tech-fig-01.jpg)(https://amgistoroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/toroidal-tech-fig-02.jpg)
►►► but some website like javelin-tech.com may beg to disagree (as well as me respectfully (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0201.gif)) [click the link below]
https://www.javelin-tech.com/blog/2017/09/transformer-simulation-ems-solidworks/
(https://www.javelin-tech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Section-plot-of-the-magnetic-flux-density-780x503.jpg)
►►► then again vias.org said that ▼ (which then again i also agree)
(https://pedal-max.webs.com/Leakage%20Flux.jpg)
[click the link below]
http://www.vias.org/matsch_capmag/matsch_caps_magnetics_chap6_03.html
you saw the gap between the windings of the toroidal transformer shown above right? you can try and google more toroidal transformer images to see.. can't blame it!.. why?.. because the inner circle is smaller (circumference) than the outer circle.. you can always close the gap on the inner circle but without giving away wide gaps on the outer circle.. [see the image below].. unlike doing coils on a straight core surface like ei core "walang ganun kalaking gap"
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/161185128994_/Amidon-Iron-Powder-Toroidal-Core-T-184-2.jpg)
Thanks po. Abangan ko. :)
So far, I could see where you are going. While I agree that advancements in technology does improve a lot of things, pwede kayang hindi din sya applicable for all things? Case in point, tube amps versus Fractals etc. I will say that if I were to listen to recordings only, convincing na ang mga modelling amps pero sa live, iba pa rin ang feel ng tube amps especially if you were the one playing based on experience.
I know very little about electronics and I hope I have not been brainwashed by the stuff on the Internet and endorsements by respected players. I just would want to keep my mind open and learn more about the nitty-gritty of things to be able to determine kung gusto ko talaga one or the other, or kung nakikisabay lang ako sa uso when it comes to selecting gears.
Please do educate me about the pros and cons of toroidal transformers over the others when you already have time.
More power to you, sir. (No pun intended :D)
While I agree that advancements in technology does improve a lot of things
►►► yes sir there are some..
like copper flux bands & faraday cages for stray mf's to improve leakage flux▼▼▼
(https://hifiduino.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/c600f_parts_power_trans1.jpg)
and H or cross types (having Ø/4 magnetic flux lines) ▼▼▼.. [see the image below] by industrial-electronics.com..
(http://www.industrial-electronics.com/images/elec3-16-4.jpg)
(https://marquemagnetics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Image-51-Custom-Cores-Product-e1468358162578.jpg)
[click the link below] by industrial-electronics.com..
http://www.industrial-electronics.com/elecy3_16.html
►►►even so.. those were just my opinion why i chose to make and use shell-type or ei trnasformer.. but that really depends in our individual discretion.. wether be we choose toroidal over ei transformer.. a lot of my friends did adviced me and tried to convince me to use toroidal transformer too.. and i really wanna take this moment to thank them (chino, jobet, even you sir curiousdcat).. "sa oras na kailangan mo ng kasagutan palagi sila nandiyan".. through thick or thin..
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Post by: r_chino18 on November 26, 2019, 10:29:27 PM
Yung Hughes & Kettner Statesman EL34 head ko dati, naka toroidal power transformer. I think yung mga Laney Ironheart heads rin naka toroidal PT.
Soundwise or noisewise, I'm not sure how different a toroidal PT vs EI PT would be. Pero for high wattage heads, considerably lighter ang naka toroidal PT. Saves my back. Haha!
Post by: emil_murillo on November 28, 2019, 03:02:38 PM
Lots of useful info here. Thanks, boss Emil! :)
Yung Hughes & Kettner Statesman EL34 head ko dati, naka toroidal power transformer. I think yung mga Laney Ironheart heads rin naka toroidal PT.
Soundwise or noisewise, I'm not sure how different a toroidal PT vs EI PT would be. Pero for high wattage heads, considerably lighter ang naka toroidal PT. Saves my back. Haha!
►►► yes chino.. considering parehong 38W ang transformer mostly mas mabigat pa yun outer limbs compare sa main core ng shell-type.. like i mentioned above walang outer limbs ang toroidal kaya mas magaan siya considerately.. but siguro in my opinion, iba-iba ang paggawa ng amp heads with respect to every brand.. minsan it consist of:
- wooden box + leather or leatherette upholster + fabric front & metal control panel ▼
- wooden box + leather or leatherette upholster + all metal front & control panel ▼
- entire head is metal ▼
- plus we have to consider also how thick the wood used and what kind (hardwood or softwood or in between or manufactured).. same goes to all metal box (how thick or thin).. a difference in the entire size of the head too would make a difference.. regardless of brands or any in particular..
►►► but if we were to discuss the weight of the transformer alone considering both of the same wattage.. yes, shell-type and core-type transformers could always be heavier than toroidal :)
Thanks chino.. it's good to hear from you again..
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Post by: curiousdcat on November 28, 2019, 03:39:42 PM
@Rei
My Laney LC50 combo has a toroidal PT as well but ang bigat!
Or maybe baka matanda at mahina na ako. haha
Cheers to both of you gents and to Jobet as well, wherever he may be!
Post by: emil_murillo on November 30, 2019, 10:11:06 AM
- the berry type transformer.. which consists of multiple magnetic or mutual flux lines by which the illustration model got eight (Φ/8 magnetic flux lines ) ▼
(https://pedal-max.webs.com/core-type,%20shell-type,%20berry-type%20(1).png) (https://pedal-max.webs.com/core-type,%20shell-type,%20berry-type%20(1).png)
(https://pedal-max.webs.com/core-type,%20shell-type,%20berry-type%20(2).png) (https://pedal-max.webs.com/core-type,%20shell-type,%20berry-type%20(2).png)
(https://pedal-max.webs.com/core-type,%20shell-type,%20berry-type%20(3).png) (https://pedal-max.webs.com/core-type,%20shell-type,%20berry-type%20(3).png)
▼▼▼click the link below ▼▼▼
Google Books with "Berry Type Transformer" keyword (https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=YjaSTinUjPEC&pg=PA275&lpg=PA275&dq=berry+type+transformer&source=bl&ots=0wZdH5xn5f&sig=ACfU3U0kn9DtDskxUBZNvRSPTcHkxhfJ6A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwio4bXWyJDmAhXaa94KHTEhBtIQ6AEwH3oECBIQAQ#v=onepage&q=berry%20type%20transformer&f=false)
►►► as much as we hated those outer limbs' extra weight.. i know i do (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0071.gif) but it is what it is (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0024.gif).. and clearly engineers were fond of it and still continue to develop and improve that leads us in the position that most imperfections are all behind us now since 1885 where it all started.. which leaves us then a matter of proper choice and discretion so to speak on our part and more of "to what serves us best" given our distinct and personal application to it..
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Post by: karl666 on February 07, 2020, 11:20:20 PM
here's karl's pedalmax power supply.. he used it for 1 and a half years (JAN 2017 to JUL 2018).. and now he's using a Line 6 Helix LT.. ▼
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/3j85uvlv75wt.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/3j85uvlv75wt/DSC01918_label.jpg)
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/kjvl5w4bz0n.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/kjvl5w4bz0n/DSC01917.jpg)
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/3opahuk0kqul.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/3opahuk0kqul/DSC01924.jpg)
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/2p3c08pam8dn.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/2p3c08pam8dn/Karl Jay Mendoza 1.jpg)
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/hryt8uozjdf.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/hryt8uozjdf/Karl Jay Mendoza 2.jpg)
also repaired (for free) his digitech whammy's orig adapter (110V) after using it accidentally in a wrong outlet (220V).. as per my suggestion before he order a psu unit so he will have the means to test his digitech whammy if it still working or if also damaged upon the dielectric breakdown.. ▼
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/2khw3ac3w4kv.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/2khw3ac3w4kv/DSC01784.jpg)
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/3vjkfupy5bot.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/3vjkfupy5bot/DSC01782.jpg)
(http://img-cdn.filefactory.com/embed/xl/1o78ajf6t2dr.jpg) (http://www.filefactory.com/preview/1o78ajf6t2dr/DSC01783.jpg)
Ohhhh Sir Emil. Just saw your reply, I kinda miss those boards and ofcourse your PSU! Mabuhay, thanks sa free repair ng whammy adaptor ko :)
Unfortunately, I decided to downsized (4-5 pedals) that's why i sold my pedalmax psu.
Post by: emil_murillo on February 08, 2020, 08:35:22 AM
Ohhhh Sir Emil. Just saw your reply, I kinda miss those boards and ofcourse your PSU! Mabuhay, thanks sa free repair ng whammy adaptor ko :)
Unfortunately, I decided to downsized (4-5 pedals) that's why i sold my pedalmax psu.
oo nga.. micro pedals then pati amp blackstar fly 3 downsized lahat.. musta na din yun line 6 helix mo binenta mo na din ano? and thank you din sa pag patronize it was really meant something good for my family.. God bless Ü
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Post by: boncram on February 17, 2020, 03:31:38 PM
Post by: emil_murillo on February 25, 2020, 06:21:46 PM
What's the best power supply that I can get provided that I have 9v pedals and two Eventide factor pedals (Modfactor & Timefactor) and sometimes would like to throw in a Digitech Whammy pedal as well?
the best branded isolated psu could be ▼
[click the image for the link]
(https://img.kytary.com/eshop_co_uk/velky_v2/na/636969683195900000/93e9ba57/64667698/cioks-ciokolate.jpg) (https://cioks.com/products/ciokolate/)
- Outlet 1: 4-15V DC / 100mA
- Outlet 2-4: 9V DC / 100mA each
- Outlet 5: 18 or 24V DC / 100mA
- Outlet 6-7: 9 or 12V DC / 200mA each
- Outlet 8-9: 9 or 12V DC / 400mA each
- Outlet 10-11: 9 and 12 or 15V DC / 400mA
- Outlet 12-13: 9 and 12 or 15V DC / 600mA*
- Outlet 14: 9 or 12V AC / 800mA*
- Outlet 15-16: 9, 12 or 16V AC / 800mA
* only one of these two sections can be used
- Size: 292x98x35mm (excl. rubber feet)
- Weight: 1,6kg
- Warranty period: 5 years worldwide
not unless you need a lot more.. you can try this one too ▼
[click the image for the link]
(https://www.bassic.de/attachments/cioks-overkill-menu-png.207055/) (http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/cioks/overkill)
we have pinoy distributor here ▼
[click the image for the link]
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(https://www.guitarpusher.com/collections/vendors?constraint=brand_cioks&q=CIOKS)
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Post by: gitaristadaw on February 26, 2020, 06:35:27 AM
Post by: emil_murillo on February 29, 2020, 06:51:16 PM
grabe mga inputs ni sir emil... salamat sir..
salamat din po for the appreciation.. deeply appreciate din po the accolades..
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Post by: boncram on March 05, 2020, 09:02:34 PM
the best branded isolated psu could be ▼
[click the image for the link]
(https://img.kytary.com/eshop_co_uk/velky_v2/na/636969683195900000/93e9ba57/64667698/cioks-ciokolate.jpg) (https://cioks.com/products/ciokolate/)
- Outlet 1: 4-15V DC / 100mA
- Outlet 2-4: 9V DC / 100mA each
- Outlet 5: 18 or 24V DC / 100mA
- Outlet 6-7: 9 or 12V DC / 200mA each
- Outlet 8-9: 9 or 12V DC / 400mA each
- Outlet 10-11: 9 and 12 or 15V DC / 400mA
- Outlet 12-13: 9 and 12 or 15V DC / 600mA*
- Outlet 14: 9 or 12V AC / 800mA*
- Outlet 15-16: 9, 12 or 16V AC / 800mA
* only one of these two sections can be used
- Size: 292x98x35mm (excl. rubber feet)
- Weight: 1,6kg
- Warranty period: 5 years worldwide
not unless you need a lot more.. you can try this one too ▼
[click the image for the link]
(https://www.bassic.de/attachments/cioks-overkill-menu-png.207055/) (http://www.effectsdatabase.com/model/cioks/overkill)
we have pinoy distributor here ▼
[click the image for the link]
(https://scontent.fmnl4-5.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/p960x960/1548079_519377224843781_1809582833_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=a61e81&_nc_ohc=N00KLPnOfmEAX9xLMsj&_nc_ht=scontent.fmnl4-5.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=971ca53f240f60f1e3947b732a42753d&oe=5EB63987)
(https://www.guitarpusher.com/collections/vendors?constraint=brand_cioks&q=CIOKS)
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OH WOW thanks for the suggestion @emil_murillo