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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #100 on: September 24, 2014, 09:37:28 PM »
nothing beats walking inside a guitar store...WITH MONEY. hehe

nothing beats walking inside a guitar store... WITH MONEY...during SALE! :-P
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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #101 on: September 25, 2014, 08:42:43 AM »
it depends on how you view a Sale

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« Reply #102 on: September 25, 2014, 08:51:28 AM »
it depends on how you view a Sale

ang tingin ko sa sale: getting an item without certainty of its availability, for its regular ticket price in the US... lalo na pag JB music ang pinag uusapan!!  :lol:

pag hindi naman during sale bumili: parang yung pag nastuck ka sa traffic tapos ang benta sayo sa maliit na bote ng mineral water 50 isa pero kailangan mo talaga bilhin eh.  <_<
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« Reply #103 on: September 25, 2014, 10:02:28 AM »
pansin ko kasi sa mga Sale yun yung napag piliian na.

pag dumating ang say, isang shipment ng gitara, of course they get to check them. lalo na pag may magandang tumunog.

sureball good and high paying -frequent buying customers get first dibs.  unless someone purchases internally. lalo na kung maganda tumunog. if they're allowed to purchase internally...

then didisplay sa shop. mapagpipilian. boom.

same thing with amps and pedals. to me they're not the same if even if they're of the same make and model.

accessories pwede pa siguro.

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« Reply #104 on: September 25, 2014, 10:42:20 AM »
Hi Rmansh,

Na curios kasi ako sa nabanggit mo na "The most important thing is you are able to try it for free..."

Regardless kung nasang bansa nandun yung customer at online store, imposible na may online store na papayag na mag pa-try for free (with free shipping and handling).

Ibang scenario yung online store na may return policy, kasi nabayaran mo na yung item bago mo nakuha, so may cost kana.
Kung mangyaring hindi pala gusto yung item, pwede mo ibalik for a refund or replacement pero ikaw parin mag babayad ng return shipping,  so another cost.

err. sonicassault already defined Return policy that applies to other countries . I thought we are talking about the same thing since you quoted it. but then you probably thought its local.

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A lot of Custom boutique builders offer returns even if "shade " lang yun issue. My replica from UK comes with it and a "Tone Guarantee". He said if his build is not at par with the Best replica builders of today in terms of TONE and CRAFTSMANSHIP, I can return it. full refund.

Out of curiosity, given na ang isang customer ay UK based tapos yung "custom boutique builders" ay UK based din.
Diba since custom guitar, yung customer ang pipili ng wood for the top, back, neck, finish, paint color, inlays, tuners, hardware parts, body shape, etc...so pano transaction nun? Puro email lang with pictures and MP3 sound clips?

Kung nag pa custom ka ng guitar, diba gusto mo puntahan yung shop nung luthier?
Either siguro, gusto mo makita kung malinis ba siya sa gamit, professional ba, totoo bang may tools siya for making a guitar, marami ba siyang ready made sample designs, I-try siguro yung ibang finish product niya para may baseline ka kung ano gusto mo.

Hindi ko talaga ma-imagine na bibili ang isang customer ng guitar online with full confidence na ito ang gusto ko na guitar kasi ang ganda ng tunog nito, finish, feel at comfort.

Kahit siguro nasa US ako hindi ako bibili online, kahit may return policy.
Plus I cant be bothered to do unnecessary paper work for having buyer's remorse.

I would rather walk into a brick and mortar store, try a guitar on any amp available, talk to the sales guy (baka maging friends pa kami), and when I'm ready to buy I can ask for a deal, go home and be happy with it.

Ito po opinion ko.
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« Reply #105 on: September 25, 2014, 11:08:20 AM »
I think I'd only buy guitars online which are made outside the brand's country of origin, or if it's a Japanese brand.
Ergo, I'd only buy Fender, Gibson, Dean online if it's MIM/MIK/MIJ. I'd only buy an Ibanez, Yamaha, Takamine online if it's MIK/MIC.
Otherwise, I'd still buy from a shop.

The logic behind it is that these are assembly line models, and in an assembly line, the quality is pretty much at par with each other. Of course there will be bad guitars, but getting golden ones are far and few in between. More confident with MIJ guitars too, because of the Japanese and their obsession with six sigma standards and shiz.

Pag USA guitars na, you really have to test its sound and feel. More handcrafted parts = more error.

Parang sa drums lang, pag bibili lang naman ako ng Zildjian A customs (machine hammered), online na lang, yung tunog nyan pareho sa A Customs na narinig ko dun sa isang drummer. Pero pag bibili ako ng Bosphorus (handmade cymbals) kailangan sa shop ako bumili, kasi for sure may golden stuff dyan, may hindi ko rin feel.
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« Reply #106 on: September 25, 2014, 02:14:34 PM »
Hi Rmansh,

Na curios kasi ako sa nabanggit mo na "The most important thing is you are able to try it for free..."

Regardless kung nasang bansa nandun yung customer at online store, imposible na may online store na papayag na mag pa-try for free (with free shipping and handling).

Ibang scenario yung online store na may return policy, kasi nabayaran mo na yung item bago mo nakuha, so may cost kana.
Kung mangyaring hindi pala gusto yung item, pwede mo ibalik for a refund or replacement pero ikaw parin mag babayad ng return shipping,  so another cost.

Out of curiosity, given na ang isang customer ay UK based tapos yung "custom boutique builders" ay UK based din.
Diba since custom guitar, yung customer ang pipili ng wood for the top, back, neck, finish, paint color, inlays, tuners, hardware parts, body shape, etc...so pano transaction nun? Puro email lang with pictures and MP3 sound clips?

Kung nag pa custom ka ng guitar, diba gusto mo puntahan yung shop nung luthier?
Either siguro, gusto mo makita kung malinis ba siya sa gamit, professional ba, totoo bang may tools siya for making a guitar, marami ba siyang ready made sample designs, I-try siguro yung ibang finish product niya para may baseline ka kung ano gusto mo.

Hindi ko talaga ma-imagine na bibili ang isang customer ng guitar online with full confidence na ito ang gusto ko na guitar kasi ang ganda ng tunog nito, finish, feel at comfort.

Kahit siguro nasa US ako hindi ako bibili online, kahit may return policy.
Plus I cant be bothered to do unnecessary paper work for having buyer's remorse.

I would rather walk into a brick and mortar store, try a guitar on any amp available, talk to the sales guy (baka maging friends pa kami), and when I'm ready to buy I can ask for a deal, go home and be happy with it.

Ito po opinion ko.

if i may lang po, i know this is addressed to Rmansh but, i'd like to share something.

dati ka kabilang baryo ko lang yung world class luthier na si Perry Ormsby, yung gumawa ng bass guitar na may kuko ni Randy Rhoads.

so maraming umoorder sa kanya from other countries. just like other luthiers, pictures, videos, web cam...lahat ba ng pwedeng gawin para makita ng client, gagawin. flying in is also an option. why not? hindi lang nga practical.

but as someone who lives near him, he told me that if i ever get to buy one from him,  pwede raw ako dumalaw. BUT hindi pwede naroon lagi kasi mahalaga oras niya at mahirap gumawa ng gitara na may iba pang obligation, tulad ng pamilya etc tapos kailangan maganda yung quality. si perry pag hindi maganda yung body, tinatapon niya.


i have visited his shop numerous times when it was still open for tour.

so bottom line is, im sure most of them will be accommodating if you live nearby.

pero yun lang talaga ang "laro" if you live far far away. you have to trust the maker.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2014, 02:20:26 PM by analog.matt »

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« Reply #107 on: September 25, 2014, 02:28:08 PM »
Hi Rmansh,

Na curios kasi ako sa nabanggit mo na "The most important thing is you are able to try it for free..."

Regardless kung nasang bansa nandun yung customer at online store, imposible na may online store na papayag na mag pa-try for free (with free shipping and handling).

Ibang scenario yung online store na may return policy, kasi nabayaran mo na yung item bago mo nakuha, so may cost kana.
Kung mangyaring hindi pala gusto yung item, pwede mo ibalik for a refund or replacement pero ikaw parin mag babayad ng return shipping,  so another cost.

Out of curiosity, given na ang isang customer ay UK based tapos yung "custom boutique builders" ay UK based din.
Diba since custom guitar, yung customer ang pipili ng wood for the top, back, neck, finish, paint color, inlays, tuners, hardware parts, body shape, etc...so pano transaction nun? Puro email lang with pictures and MP3 sound clips?

Kung nag pa custom ka ng guitar, diba gusto mo puntahan yung shop nung luthier?
Either siguro, gusto mo makita kung malinis ba siya sa gamit, professional ba, totoo bang may tools siya for making a guitar, marami ba siyang ready made sample designs, I-try siguro yung ibang finish product niya para may baseline ka kung ano gusto mo.

Hindi ko talaga ma-imagine na bibili ang isang customer ng guitar online with full confidence na ito ang gusto ko na guitar kasi ang ganda ng tunog nito, finish, feel at comfort.

Kahit siguro nasa US ako hindi ako bibili online, kahit may return policy.
Plus I cant be bothered to do unnecessary paper work for having buyer's remorse.

I would rather walk into a brick and mortar store, try a guitar on any amp available, talk to the sales guy (baka maging friends pa kami), and when I'm ready to buy I can ask for a deal, go home and be happy with it.

Ito po opinion ko.



Sa UK may ganito

Sale of goods act 1979 section14
"Any item purchased can be returned and given a full cash or credit card value if you have the receipt. "
 "Goods have to be fit for the purpose for which they were intended"

what i meant is kung hindi mo nagustuhan at naisoli mo yun item, generally speaking, you are able to try it for free . to some people, its ok for expensive guitars pero kung 300$ lang yun guitar, its not worth it. sagot mo talaga shipping.

regarding custom guitars, its  risky. so you have to research. my experience in guitar selection is limited to what guitar stores offer so I ask experts. I have some gibsons and some others i have sold still, knowing there is something better out there keeps my GAS alive.
regarding  Damien Probett he is one of the most experienced builders around , he used to work at Charlie Chandlers Uk. Their clients include Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Paul McCartney, etc etc.  I would rather trust him my hard earned money than anybody from yupangco or rj store.
long time ago my first Gibson standard to me was "The One", then i was invited to a tone party. big mistake! meron pa pala mas maganda sa Gitara ko! from there I learned you really need TONS of experience in handpicking a superb guitar or let the experts do it for you. There is no shame here, you gain a lot of information pa nga. kaya hindi na ako sumasama sa Tone Parties lol
But then you have to think about the big picture here. Are you satisfied with what local guitar stores offer or you want something better? Is your Experience in Handpicking a guitar enough or you want to learn more? yun lang jm2cents   


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Re: The Internet is Killing Guitar Shops
« Reply #108 on: September 25, 2014, 10:17:26 PM »
agree re: experience ang kailangan to choose a superb guitar.

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« Reply #109 on: September 26, 2014, 05:41:09 AM »
Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.

However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.

Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.
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« Reply #110 on: September 26, 2014, 07:58:39 AM »
Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.

However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.

Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.

One of the reasons I still wouldn't buy online, even with midrange MIJ consistent quality stuff, is that I don't get to choose the stock, and I don't like the manner of delivery. Of course from one continent to another, pare-pareho lang naan ang shipping nyan. Pero pag galing sa  port papunta sayo, balahura na minsan ang delivery eh, makikita mo yung box mo parang used and abused na, yung $500-$1000 guitar mo di mo alam kung buhay pa sa loob. Tapos yun din, hassle din yung di mo trip yung stock tapos papabalik mo atminsan di mo pa makukuha yung eksaktong gusto mo.

Pag sa music store kasi, hihimasin mo lang tapos malalaman mo na agad kung siya na ang the one, at pag nasira ang gitara mo in transit, ikaw lang ang masisisi mo
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« Reply #111 on: September 26, 2014, 09:36:55 AM »
One of the reasons I still wouldn't buy online, even with midrange MIJ consistent quality stuff, is that I don't get to choose the stock, and I don't like the manner of delivery. Of course from one continent to another, pare-pareho lang naan ang shipping nyan. Pero pag galing sa  port papunta sayo, balahura na minsan ang delivery eh, makikita mo yung box mo parang used and abused na, yung $500-$1000 guitar mo di mo alam kung buhay pa sa loob. Tapos yun din, hassle din yung di mo trip yung stock tapos papabalik mo atminsan di mo pa makukuha yung eksaktong gusto mo.

Pag sa music store kasi, hihimasin mo lang tapos malalaman mo na agad kung siya na ang the one, at pag nasira ang gitara mo in transit, ikaw lang ang masisisi mo

pag maganda response sa himas, yun na!


Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.

However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.

Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.

Glad  you liked the website.

magaling si Perry, nakakahanap siya ng mga substitute woods at yung concepts sa luthiery inaapply niya in an innovative way. doon mo talaga makikita yung luthier vs others.

others kasi follow books, parang recipe ba... pero ang tunay na Chef, nakakagawa ng talagang masarap na dish, na maboboggle ka talaga pag nalasahan mo.

Ganun din ang tunay na luthier imho.

tsaka siya bago nag sarili na certify siya under different big brands to officially maintain and repair guitars. actually pati amps din pero nagfocus na siya sa gitara.



« Last Edit: September 26, 2014, 09:41:24 AM by analog.matt »

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« Reply #112 on: September 26, 2014, 09:50:32 AM »
pag maganda response sa himas, yun na!

pag tumindig agad.. ang balahibo sa ganda ng tunog, yun na!  :wink:
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« Reply #113 on: September 26, 2014, 11:48:27 AM »
Agree. and nothing beats walking inside a guitar store.......nothing!

what about walking out with a guitar?  :idea:

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« Reply #114 on: September 26, 2014, 12:00:49 PM »
Excellent point sonic, rmansh, analog and I get them.
So now I partially understand why people buy online.

However, for me, personally, I think hindi ko pa kaya kumagat sa online shopping, mapa cheap, custom or boutique man ng instrument.

Thanks for introducing me the name Perry Ormsby, I enjoyed browsing around his website.

thats alright, its a personal choice naman. karamihan din ng gamit ko nabili ko sa shop pero pag umabot na sa 1.5-2k usd online na ako tumitingin. like this one

http://ronkirn.com/holiday.htm

btw these guys are small company luthiers, wala silang shop karamihan sa garage lang ang operation unlike Guitarcenter.

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« Reply #115 on: September 26, 2014, 12:04:22 PM »
what about walking out with a guitar?  :idea:

better :idea:
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« Reply #116 on: September 26, 2014, 02:49:52 PM »
okay discounts ni Ron Kirn ah. good price

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« Reply #117 on: September 30, 2014, 10:04:32 AM »
okay discounts ni Ron Kirn ah. good price

eto bago ni Ron kirn at 1598$  :drool:

http://ronkirn.com/blackie.htm

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« Reply #118 on: September 30, 2014, 06:10:39 PM »
that's very tempting. hahaha

the barnbusters sound good in youtube.