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Offline Ralph_Petrucci

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List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« on: January 30, 2018, 01:45:20 PM »


Hello GC Peeps!

just sharing a resource website that I tend to refer to when I have PSU and ampere inquiries.
the website will also answer questions like the following:

1. What is the current draw/mAh requirement of my pedal?
2. Are BOSS Buffers good?
3. Is True Bypass better than buffered?
4. How do you measure Current Draw of a pedal?
5. how does PSU A compare to PSU B?

all in all a great site! Hope this helps you guys as much as it does for me! :D

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Current Draw List - http://stinkfoot.se/power-list
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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 02:11:54 PM »
Quick Q: current overdraw/underdraw ba ang cause ng noise in pedals? Or is it an issue of isolation?

Also penge Youtube link
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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2018, 02:31:43 PM »
Quick Q: current overdraw/underdraw ba ang cause ng noise in pedals? Or is it an issue of isolation?

Also penge Youtube link

overdraw can cause noise. i.e. 100mAh requirement of the pedal, 80mAh output from the PSU. this will cause noise. it is better to have more ampere allowance i.e. 100 mAh Pedal into a 500mAh output PSU.

isolation can also lessen noise. however, most effects contain a noise filter narin naman so noise regarding isolation should be minimal lang. usually, you want something isolated because of the large mAh requirement. mga digital effects, delays and reverbs ang usual suspects ditto. they need a lot of power at the ready so its best to give them an isolated output to ensure that the ampere allowance will only be used by that particular pedal. plugging power hungry pedals in a non isolated output i.e. a daisy chain would mean the power will be shared between the other pedals in the chain. this causes noise as hindi "at the ready" yung power na dpat nakatabi for that pedal, nagkakaron ng agawan.

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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 08:01:45 PM »
Thanks Ralph!, Meron na ulit tayong informative thread.

OT: Ralph, I'm planning to add Line6 DL4 on my board (the best I can think of, but I'm also eyeing for flashback x4) I'm powering my board with vitoos dc8. I saw your old board with two power hungry pedals before. How did you plan the isolation?

here's my current pedalboard.

guitar>big muff nano>Super blues pro>Joyo crunch dist>soul food>arion sch-z>Tc electronic nova repeater> zoom ms100bt.

as of now, each pedal have their own source slot. repeater is powered with 12v. zoom is also isolated 9v.

thanks in advance.
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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2018, 12:22:08 AM »
Quick Q: current overdraw/underdraw ba ang cause ng noise in pedals? Or is it an issue of isolation?

Also penge Youtube link

can be the power supply itself - the circuit, components, etc. wait na lang baka may magpost ng url or wall of text copied from another website like GGG or some diy forum.. lol
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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2018, 11:08:58 AM »
Thanks Ralph!, Meron na ulit tayong informative thread.

OT: Ralph, I'm planning to add Line6 DL4 on my board (the best I can think of, but I'm also eyeing for flashback x4) I'm powering my board with vitoos dc8. I saw your old board with two power hungry pedals before. How did you plan the isolation?

here's my current pedalboard.

guitar>big muff nano>Super blues pro>Joyo crunch dist>soul food>arion sch-z>Tc electronic nova repeater> zoom ms100bt.

as of now, each pedal have their own source slot. repeater is powered with 12v. zoom is also isolated 9v.

thanks in advance.





The Zoom G3 is powered by one of the 1000 mAh outputs at 9v
then I used the other 1000 mAh output to power a Catalinbread DLS III and a Custom OD at 18V (Daisychained)
the Flashback X4 is powered via a dedicated 300 mAh
the ZOOM MS70CDR is also powered by another dedicated 300 mAh output
while the other pedals share the remaining 4 300 mAh outputs via 3 daisy chains :D

summary nung sa kin:

6 9V outputs:
1: Zoom MS70CDR
2: TC Flashback X4
3: Mooer Yellow Comp + Mooer Flex Boost via Daisy Chain
4: Snark Tuner
5: TC Gravy Chorus
6: Keeley Katana

9-18v Isolated Outputs
1. Custom OD + Catalinbread DLS mkIII running at 18v via Daisy Chain for more headroom
2. ZOOM G3

Given your plans, I would do it like this:

6 9V outputs 300 mAh:
1: Zoom MS100bt
2: EHX Soulfood
3: Big Muff Nano
4: Super Blues Pro
5: Joyo Crunch Dist
6: Arion SCH-Z

9-18v Isolated Outputs
1. TC Electronic Nova Repeater
2. TC Flashback X4

IIRCif you go Line6 DL4, you'll need to get a polarity reverse cable as the DL4 is center positive. you don't get dotted 8th subdivisions as well.

if you want an X4, let me know :D I'm thinking of selling mine :D READ: STRYMON/DD500
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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2018, 02:57:06 PM »
Great find bro! Thanks for sharing. Found a nice article about the boss ls2. I'll tinker with mine tonight. :-D

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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2018, 02:58:50 PM »
Great find bro! Thanks for sharing. Found a nice article about the boss ls2. I'll tinker with mine tonight. :-D

nacurious din ako jan sa LS2 article hahaha! gas nga naman =))
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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2018, 06:01:28 PM »
Salamat sa bagong makabuluhang post paps hahaha

May isa pang possible technique para malaman ang current draw ng pedal mo, na may involved na kaunting electronics. In case wala sa list syempre (although last I checked, halos kumpleto na siya).

Need mo ng:
1. multimeter,
2. tatlong wire na may alligator clips,
3. 1% or tighter tolerance resistor, 1K ohms,
4. 2.1mm plug na hindi pa naka-solder sa wire,
5. power supply or fresh battery,
6. pedal na ite-test

Step 1. Isaksak yung 2.1mm plug sa DC jack ng pedal na ite-test. Set aside.

Step 2. Ihanda ang mga wire na may alligator clips.
2-a. I-hook ang isang wire sa negative (-) terminal ng plug na nakasaksak sa pedal, and battery/power supply (wag muna isaksak).
2-b. I-clip sa magkabilang dulo ng 1K ohm resistor ang natitirang dalawang wire.
2-b-i. Yung isang wire, i-connect sa positive (+) terminal ng power supply/battery, at yung isa pa ay i-clip sa positive (+) terminal ng plug na nakakabit sa pedal.

Sa puntong ito, dapat nakapagitna na sa positive (+) terminal ng batter/power supply and positive (+) terminal ng pedal ang 1K ohm resistor.

Step 3. Isaksak na ang power supply kung ito ang gamit niyo. Buksan ang multimeter sa volts (V) setting, at iipit sa negative (-) terminal ng battery/power supply or pedal ang black lead. Idikit ang red lead sa positive (+) terminal ng battery/power supply para malaman kung ano ang actual voltage reading mula sa kanya (minsan mas mataas o mababa sa 9V; hindi naman ito malaking problema na dapat ika-cause ng concern). Isulat ang reading na ito sa papel.

Step 4. Idikit ang red lead ng multimeter sa positive (+) terminal ng plug na nakakabit sa pedal, at isulat ang voltage reading nito sa papel.

Mapapansin niyo siguro agad na mas mababa sa voltage kanina ang reading na makukuha niyo. Normal ito dahil may 1K resistor tayong "nakaharang" sa free flow ng kuryente papunta sa pedal.

Step 5. Hilahin na ang power supply o i-disconnect ang battery dahil tapos na tayo magsukat. I-minus ang mababang voltage reading sa mataas para makuha ang tinatawag na "voltage drop across the resistor." Ngayon, i-divide ang nakuhang voltage drop sa 1000 (1000 ohms ang value ng gamit nating resistor) at makukuha niyo na ang current draw in amperes.

Sample calculation:
Kagagawa ko lang ng pedal, BOSS FA-1 clone. Ito ang nakuha kong mga sukat gamit ang multimeter ko at OneSpot PSU.

PSU voltage = 9.40V
Voltage sa likod ng 1K resistor = 8.05V

9.40 - 8.05 = 1.35 (ito ang voltage drop)

1.35/1000 (value ng resistor) = 0.00135A current draw or 1.35mA

Kaya ko pala pinili yung 1K value na resistor ay dahil no need to divide by 1000 yung voltage drop dahil antimano ay mA value na siya, assuming na 1000 ohms talaga ang value ng gamit niyong resistor.

Sana'y pakinabangan niyo mga papi!

EDIT: Depende sa expected mong current draw from the pedal, need niyo rin pala i-adjust yung value ng resistor na gagamitin. Kunwari, kung mga more than 10mA ang expected niyo na current draw, need niyo ibaba yung resistance to either 100, 10 or even 1 ohm. Maigi sigurong mag-stock ng mga value na ito ng resistor kung magte-test din kayo. Enjoy!
« Last Edit: January 31, 2018, 06:06:51 PM by lolwat »

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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 11:04:35 PM »




The Zoom G3 is powered by one of the 1000 mAh outputs at 9v
then I used the other 1000 mAh output to power a Catalinbread DLS III and a Custom OD at 18V (Daisychained)
the Flashback X4 is powered via a dedicated 300 mAh
the ZOOM MS70CDR is also powered by another dedicated 300 mAh output
while the other pedals share the remaining 4 300 mAh outputs via 3 daisy chains :D

summary nung sa kin:

6 9V outputs:
1: Zoom MS70CDR
2: TC Flashback X4
3: Mooer Yellow Comp + Mooer Flex Boost via Daisy Chain
4: Snark Tuner
5: TC Gravy Chorus
6: Keeley Katana

9-18v Isolated Outputs
1. Custom OD + Catalinbread DLS mkIII running at 18v via Daisy Chain for more headroom
2. ZOOM G3

Given your plans, I would do it like this:

6 9V outputs 300 mAh:
1: Zoom MS100bt
2: EHX Soulfood
3: Big Muff Nano
4: Super Blues Pro
5: Joyo Crunch Dist
6: Arion SCH-Z

9-18v Isolated Outputs
1. TC Electronic Nova Repeater
2. TC Flashback X4

IIRCif you go Line6 DL4, you'll need to get a polarity reverse cable as the DL4 is center positive. you don't get dotted 8th subdivisions as well.

if you want an X4, let me know :D I'm thinking of selling mine :D READ: STRYMON/DD500

thanks Ralph. I'm gathering now my resources. I'll send you a chat once I already have the cash.  :lol:
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Re: List of Ampere Requirements of Pedals + HELPFUL READS! (Link)
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2018, 11:14:02 PM »
Walang youtube link and copy pasted wikipedia info.

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