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The Musician Forums => Music Technology & Pro Audio => Topic started by: signia on March 28, 2009, 01:53:14 PM
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Does anyone know how much ang pinaka mura or at least ang going price ng snake cables sa raon? kailangan ko sana 8 line in and 4 out. 50ft and 100ft Name of store is very much appreciated. Thanks
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Pearl river sa Raon
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SanJun sa Raon, look for Chris
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mga sir padaan po, ako din plan bumili, kakabili ko lang ng set ng PA ko, need ko ng snake cable, what brand ung bang for the buck mga sir ung good quality na ok ung price? yamaha 166cx ung mixer ko, 16 input channels/10 pres, 2 stereo, tama po ba kung 16/4 ung kunin ko? thanks buti na lang may nakapost na ganito topic dito, thanks signia.. :-D
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Para makamura, bili ka ng stage box, tsaka ung per meter na snake cable, sa audiophile, pro co brand, maganda, if marunong ka, kaw gumawa, if hindi, pa assemble mo sa audiophile. mag pa dagdag ka kahit 2 or 4 more channels just in case makakuha ka ng larger mixer or maka acquire kayo ng mga processors na kelagan din na dumaan sa snake
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Para makamura, bili ka ng stage box, tsaka ung per meter na snake cable, sa audiophile, pro co brand, maganda, if marunong ka, kaw gumawa, if hindi, pa assemble mo sa audiophile. mag pa dagdag ka kahit 2 or 4 more channels just in case makakuha ka ng larger mixer or maka acquire kayo ng mga processors na kelagan din na dumaan sa snake
thanks, oo nga pa assemble na lang ako, i know how to solder pro pagawa ko muna sa pro, may technician namn dito sa amin, punta ako raon bukas canvass muna ako dun ng stage box at pro co cable kung meron multi core, kaso pag neutrik gnamit ko mahal din ano sir pro sure na matibay, any other options po? ung china made na neutrik pwede na kaya yun pang snake cable, male and female? mga 100 isa sa raon eh..bali 12 male @12 female kailangan 2,4k kagad un..btw ung stage box po ba may inputs na kasama na o tayo pa maglalagay? pasensya na po dami tanong.. :-D
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nope, wala pa kasama inputs un. if you buy a stage box, box lang talaga with holes, may china ba na neutrik na xlr? ang alam ko pl lang meron. buy pro co snake cable sa audiophile, tapos bili ka pa ng stage box end, ung parang alambre na nakalagay sa dulo ng stage box at fan out para mas matibay
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ok sir thanks s advice, canvass ko yan sa audiophile, oo may china pro ok na din ung gawa, sa santech raon 100 lng ung ext buy ko mas mura na..check nyo sir female at male xlr..galing ako raon knina ung snake cable 12/4 redy made 15 meters 6,5 lang pag 30 m.. mga 10 k pwede na kya yung tig 6,5 small to medium gigs lang..thanks
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well, dati due to budget constraints, yung school namin nakabili sa raon ng tag 6 k na snake, ayun, after 1 year lang sira na, dead na lahat ng channels, ung cable mismo sira na sa loob. a decent snake cable na ready made pro co 12x4x75(feet) would cost around 20-25 k, but it would last i more that 7-10 years. well, if budget is an issue, at installed naman ung snake na hindi naman palagi tatangalin at ililipat, try using the raon made, pag hindi naman, well, get the decent one, mas mura ng konti ata peavey.
i guess ung sinasabi mo na china na neutrik ay yung mga cheap imitations ng neutrik. my friend once used those, madaling nababasag ung plastic thread, so with the price of 100 na madali masira compared sa 160 at 145 na panghabang buhay, think of how practical it can be. its a big investment sa una, pero in the long run, mas makakamura ka kasi di ka na magpapalit ng palit
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oo nga sir tama kayo maganda pag orig, orig gamit ko sa guitars ko, isa lang binili ko try ko lang, sira na ksi ung sa mic ko, may peavey pla na snake cable, check ko nga yun, yung pro el ok rin ba yun nsa 10 k din sya eh..
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di ko masyado familiar with pro el, but behringer carries that brand... pro co kasi subok na namin. we have 2 pro co snakes, 1 is 75 feet and 1 is 100 feet, more then 10 years na gamit na gamit sa mga set-up pero still ok pa rin, hehehe medyo kinalawang na nga lang ung stage box, hehehe
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oo nga sir tama kayo maganda pag orig, orig gamit ko sa guitars ko, isa lang binili ko try ko lang, sira na ksi ung sa mic ko, may peavey pla na snake cable, check ko nga yun, yung pro el ok rin ba yun nsa 10 k din sya eh..
Proel is decent na bro. at 10k di ba yun yung 8inputs lang tapos 7meters lang din?
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Proel is decent na bro. at 10k di ba yun yung 8inputs lang tapos 7meters lang din?
16x4 25 meters daw sir , panalo na pla to sir sa 9,7k eto ung las price nya ung srp nya mga 12 k yata..thanks
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di ko masyado familiar with pro el, but behringer carries that brand... pro co kasi subok na namin. we have 2 pro co snakes, 1 is 75 feet and 1 is 100 feet, more then 10 years na gamit na gamit sa mga set-up pero still ok pa rin, hehehe medyo kinalawang na nga lang ung stage box, hehehe
wow sulit yung investment nyo sir ha, ok lng yun kalawang madali nmn linisin yun paint job lng siguro, tsaka ung mga sockets kung masira man madali na palitan, wag lang yung cables sa loob, naku tapon na lahat yun haha, pro co is good brand sa stomp box pa lang ok na, mar turbo rat distortion ako, ganda ng quality..u.s. kasi hehe, yung snake cables din siguro nla u.s. made kaya maganda, pro el siguro medyo new sa market i think, pro as of now maganda pa naman naririnig ko..hehe, bottom line siguro yung cable ang dapat tlaga na maganda ang quality...kasi yun yung lagi natatapakan ng tao, tama po ba? hehe
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16x4 25 meters daw sir , panalo na pla to sir sa 9,7k eto ung las price nya ung srp nya mga 12 k yata..thanks
Talaga? saan to? In Tune o Raon? Pag raon mejo alangan ako sa authenticity nyan.
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Talaga? saan to? In Tune o Raon? Pag raon mejo alangan ako sa authenticity nyan.
stage point raon sir eh..orig kya na proel yun? :?
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stage point raon sir eh..orig kya na proel yun? :?
I've heard of stagepoint but I'm not really familiar with them. Surprising to know that their price is way lower than the ones sold at InTune stores.
Sir BAMF? :)
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yes sir mas mura sa stge point ung pro el, at SPL 6,5 yung spl sa in tune, i got mine for 5k..so I saved 3k..300 lang gasolina sobra pa..hehe, yung ep2500 mas mura rin sa stage point..ok naman performance nila, wala naman kasi ako experience with other brands..meron nga pla nung may banda pa ko na variety hehe sigurado napakinggan ko na halos lahat ng speakers, 2yrs din yun hehe, jbls, behringer, peavey.. in the end nasa engineer or tech pa rin siguro, kung pano ka bigyan ng monitor mix at kung pano palabasin so FOH..OT na yata hehe..
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yes sir mas mura sa stge point ung pro el, at SPL 6,5 yung spl sa in tune, i got mine for 5k..so I saved 3k..300 lang gasolina sobra pa..hehe, yung ep2500 mas mura rin sa stage point..ok naman performance nila, wala naman kasi ako experience with other brands..meron nga pla nung may banda pa ko na variety hehe sigurado napakinggan ko na halos lahat ng speakers, 2yrs din yun hehe, jbls, behringer, peavey.. in the end nasa engineer or tech pa rin siguro, kung pano ka bigyan ng monitor mix at kung pano palabasin so FOH..OT na yata hehe..
Sana pwede rin credit card sa stage point no? :D
The tech will always be either the hero or the culprit of FOH. :roll: :roll:
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Sana pwede rin credit card sa stage point no? :D
sir alam ko pwede,may nakita ako na mga signs ng diff. creditcards dun sa pinto nila, and malaki store kasi eto aircon sila..yun nga lang wala akong credit card! haha, :-D ayaw ako bigyan haha, malas nila magaling yata ako magbayad.. :-D
The tech will always be either the hero or the culprit of FOH. :roll: :roll:
yeah right, pero mahirap pala din trabaho nila ha,16 chanels lng ako nahihilo na ako eh :-D..2 mic pa lang yun haha eh sila buong banda..yung ibang tech kasi sanay sa disco mobile kaya pag dating sa live bands na rock minsan tunog disco hehe, pero hndi naman siguro lahat haha baka magalit ung mga friendtechs natin dito eh , peace! nga pala mga magkano stage box? may idea kyo sir? balak ko lagyan yung studio ng fixed stage box.. thanks :-D
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yeah right, pero mahirap pala din trabaho nila ha,16 chanels lng ako nahihilo na ako eh :-D..2 mic pa lang yun haha eh sila buong banda..yung ibang tech kasi sanay sa disco mobile kaya pag dating sa live bands na rock minsan tunog disco hehe, pero hndi naman siguro lahat haha baka magalit ung mga friendtechs natin dito eh , peace! nga pala mga magkano stage box? may idea kyo sir? balak ko lagyan yung studio ng fixed stage box.. thanks :-D
Actually I'm not that familiar with snake cables kasi mahahabang mic wires lang sa church namin eh. Pinapangarap ko pa lang yang snake cable sa church namin. Although sa mga outdoor events namin where we rent out big PAs, lagi ako nakaupo sa tech booth so natututo ako sa mga tech about being tech and their gear.
Tama ka, meron mga tech na sanay sa disco so pagdating sa live band, disco sound pa din. Sabi ni idol mikep, basta't bass and bass drum lang ang naka-out sa subs, good start na yun. :mrgreen:
Masyadong OT na to pero allow me to plug: Magaling si Contech dito. :)
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hehe ot na nga..lipat tau sa ibang thread haha..thanks skyjammer! :-D
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Shoestring budget of my studio. I rolled my own. Bought mike cables by the meter and wired them into a DIY stage box using xlr's from Deeco. Works. So much cheaper than 5 thousand, but I tell ya it was a biotch to assemble :-D . Just having to drill those large XLR holes without step bits were a pain.
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haha, i imagine tuloy kung pano kyo pag pawisan sa pag butas nun..hehe :-D, kya minsan we should consider talaga kung kaya rin natin gawin nang hindi tayo mahihirapan masyado, i am planning pa naman to make a fixed stage box para sa studio muna for the meantime..so ang stage box pla wala pang butas? or pre made holes for XLR's? or yung stage box nyo DIY din? like nagpagawa kyo ng from scratch steel plate?..thanks sir bamf for sharing.. hehe
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Shoestring budget of my studio. I rolled my own. Bought mike cables by the meter and wired them into a DIY stage box using xlr's from Deeco. Works. So much cheaper than 5 thousand, but I tell ya it was a biotch to assemble :-D . Just having to drill those large XLR holes without step bits were a pain.
sir baka may pics ka ng finished product ng DIY stage box/snake cable para sulit naman yung pagod mo :-D gusto naming makita, saka how much ang total na gastos. nag paplano din ako para sa church namin. TIA
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sir baka may pics ka ng finished product ng DIY stage box/snake cable para sulit naman yung pagod mo :-D gusto naming makita, saka how much ang total na gastos. nag paplano din ako para sa church namin. TIA
Not worthy of pics e hehehe. Describe ko na lang. Blank aluminum sheet, drilled with 12 XLRs and 4 1/4 inch for PL plugs. Plate mounted on a "box" made out of 3/4 plyboard, standing on one end with the "open" end facing a hole in the wall.
Works great for me, but I doubt it will be pretty or functional in say a stage setting. I just need to cross the wall between the iso booth and control rooms lang naman so I didn't need anything fancy. I'll still upgrade it if something inexpensive comes my way. But for now, I'm still gassing for a gigabit LAN upgrade so I can move my cluster computing setup to 24-bit resolution without dropouts. And maybe another Delta 1010 card para maexpand channel banks ko. Basta...iba muna gagastusan ko bago snake cables. :-D
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tama, if the budget is tight, prioritize the ones that really is more important, cosmetics is really secondary as long as it is serving it's purpose..gawa din ako ng ganyan..focus muna ako sa PC build ko..and Mic hunting...hehe thanks BAMF!
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tama, if the budget is tight, prioritize the ones that really is more important, cosmetics is really secondary as long as it is serving it's purpose..gawa din ako ng ganyan..focus muna ako sa PC build ko..and Mic hunting...hehe thanks BAMF!
may church dito sa amin alam ko gumamit ng UTP cable... due to lack of budget... that's very cheap already ha...
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may church dito sa amin alam ko gumamit ng UTP cable... due to lack of budget... that's very cheap already ha...
I've heard of that na din ah. Same ba yan as telephone wires? sabi nila ayos na ayos din daw output. :) Sino kaya marunong gumawa ng ganyan? paano? :)
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may church dito sa amin alam ko gumamit ng UTP cable... due to lack of budget... that's very cheap already ha...
sir yung UTP ba pang telephone? i have no idea, hehe pro share ko eto, nung time na wala ako pera and kailangan ko ng pang wiring dun sa 2x12 inch speaker ko assembled lang para sa bass amp na assembled din.. i used telephone wires yung red and white to make a parallel connection inside the buffles tama ba spelling?hehe, to make it 4 ohms.. and OK naman..hehe, hangang ngayun nakakabit pa rin.. a scientific test would know kung may pagkakaiba..solid copper wire yung sa pang telephone..maybe because short cable lang kya hndi noticeable..
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I've heard of that na din ah. Same ba yan as telephone wires? sabi nila ayos na ayos din daw output. :) Sino kaya marunong gumawa ng ganyan? paano? :)
UTP is for LAN CONNECTIONS... yung kulay GRAY... 9 wire sya, the 9th is the ground. So 8 Channel pwede, with common ground. Pwede rin 4 channel ( balanced ), with each channel having its own Hot & Cold, plus a common Ground. Actually, i was the one who suggested that, and never thought na ginawa pala nila. Sounds good naman.
Who else wanna try?
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ah oo may ganun ako, high quality namn yun eh..actually mas sensitive nga yung trabaho nun..hehe, audio video internet, at kung ano pa..hehe..dyan magaling ang pinoy eh hehe..\m/
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sir yung UTP ba pang telephone? i have no idea, hehe pro share ko eto, nung time na wala ako pera and kailangan ko ng pang wiring dun sa 2x12 inch speaker ko assembled lang para sa bass amp na assembled din.. i used telephone wires yung red and white to make a parallel connection inside the buffles tama ba spelling?hehe, to make it 4 ohms.. and OK naman..hehe, hangang ngayun nakakabit pa rin.. a scientific test would know kung may pagkakaiba..solid copper wire yung sa pang telephone..maybe because short cable lang kya hndi noticeable..
Yung reply ko.... Nasaan na? Missing...
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OO nga! nawala yung reply nyo sir alien! :? nabasa ko pa yun kanina hehe...ano kya nangyari? :-D
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OO nga! nawala yung reply nyo sir alien! :? nabasa ko pa yun kanina hehe...ano kya nangyari? :-D
Ghost in the machine... I didn't even see that reply.
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Quote from: skyjammer on Kahapon at 09:58:59 PM
I've heard of that na din ah. Same ba yan as telephone wires? sabi nila ayos na ayos din daw output. Smiley Sino kaya marunong gumawa ng ganyan? paano? Smiley
UTP is for LAN CONNECTIONS... yung kulay GRAY... 9 wire sya, the 9th is the ground. So 8 Channel pwede, with common ground. Pwede rin 4 channel ( balanced ), with each channel having its own Hot & Cold, plus a common Ground. Actually, i was the one who suggested that, and never thought na ginawa pala nila. Sounds good naman.
Who else wanna try?
<<<<eto yun eh...kita naman if you QUOTE>>>>
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ah oo may ganun ako, high quality namn yun eh..actually mas sensitive nga yung trabaho nun..hehe, audio video internet, at kung ano pa..hehe..dyan magaling ang pinoy eh hehe..\m/
audio/video pero LOW QUALITY kasi internet.
RE UTP/LAN CABLE:
i checked it kanina lang, OK naman ang tunog... i brought my laptop there and recorded the main outs... may konting noise ( siguro may naka parallel lang na AUDIO+AC power line... ) but not that audible during worship hours...sounds like PINK NOISE when amplified ( through a DAW.. )
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UTP is for LAN CONNECTIONS... yung kulay GRAY... 9 wire sya, the 9th is the ground. So 8 Channel pwede, with common ground. Pwede rin 4 channel ( balanced ), with each channel having its own Hot & Cold, plus a common Ground. Actually, i was the one who suggested that, and never thought na ginawa pala nila. Sounds good naman.
Hmmm... magkano kaya per meter ng UTP ngayon. :roll: :roll: :roll: Matibay din kaya?
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kung meron dito gusto i-share ang cat5 or cat6 DIY snakes nila please do so. :)
@ alien-inside
sir, 8 cables lang yung na-research kong mga UTP cables eh. both cat 5 and cat 6. wala nang ground. so by pair sya - one hot and one ground. pwede bang 2 pairs ang gagamitin sa isang connection? bale, i'll combine both grounds as single ground and one hot as hot and the other as cold?
Obviously, I got interested. :) Mahilig talaga ako mangalikot. :-D :-D
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Skyjammer, yung ASTRIX CAT5E may GROUND. Shielded pa...
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Skyjammer, yung ASTRIX CAT5E may GROUND. Shielded pa...
Pambihira... mukhang gagawa na talaga ako ng diy snake ah... somebody stop me! 8-) 8-)
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Skyjammer, yung ASTRIX CAT5E may GROUND. Shielded pa...
Sir, san makakahanap nun dito?
I asked our IT guys here in the office they're only familiar with the 4-pair cat 5 and cat 5e. The guy made a good suggestion though. I can make 3 balance inputs from one cable. 1&2, 3&4, 5&6 as hot & cold; 7&8 as ground.
If I could find a 9-wire cat 5e, much better. ;)
Now, where can I find a snake box plus the xlr inputs? :-D
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Now, where can I find a snake box plus the xlr inputs? :-D
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yan din nga yung hanap ko skyjammer hehe..DIY din? ala alien_inside :-D
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yan din nga yung hanap ko skyjammer hehe..DIY din? ala alien_inside :-D
may nakita ako sa office mejo malalaking utp cables. hmmm... mukhang mahal tong mga to e.
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may nakita ako sa office mejo malalaking utp cables. hmmm... mukhang mahal tong mga to e.
ASTRIX CAT5E FTP Cable
he he... hanap ka ng taong nag i-install ng SMART BRO ( canopy )... Matibay yun..
DIY ka na lang ng BOX... If budget ang problema about XLRs, use PL55(TRS)... bale sa mixer inputs ka lang gagamit ng XLRs.Pero check yung manual ng mixer about its LINE & XLR INPUTS...Im very sure, mas mura and PL55s kaysa XLRs...
Inputs ko sa MIXER from my ADAT are BALANCED PL55s...im not sure kasi if other mixer brands have this.
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ASTRIX CAT5E FTP Cable
he he... hanap ka ng taong nag i-install ng SMART BRO ( canopy )... Matibay yun..
DIY ka na lang ng BOX... If budget ang problema about XLRs, use PL55(TRS)... bale sa mixer inputs ka lang gagamit ng XLRs.Pero check yung manual ng mixer about its LINE & XLR INPUTS...Im very sure, mas mura and PL55s kaysa XLRs...
Inputs ko sa MIXER from my ADAT are BALANCED PL55s...im not sure kasi if other mixer brands have this.
Hmmm... gusto ko sana bumili ng cable na to. FTP pala hindi UTP?
Ok lang naman sa budget ang XLR inputs I just need to know where to find stores that sell it cheaper. :)
I'm excited na sir. Baka may nakakaalam kung saang stores tong mga to. Please post nyo naman. :)
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Hmmm... gusto ko sana bumili ng cable na to. FTP pala hindi UTP?
Ok lang naman sa budget ang XLR inputs I just need to know where to find stores that sell it cheaper. :)
I'm excited na sir. Baka may nakakaalam kung saang stores tong mga to. Please post nyo naman. :)
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NANDIYAN NA LAHAT! ENJOY!
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@skyjammer: Ilang meters ang kailangan mo? Saan mo gagamitin? Studio ba?
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@skyjammer: Ilang meters ang kailangan mo? Saan mo gagamitin? Studio ba?
Sa church bro. I'll start to list down what I need first. If I can find that cat 5e na Astrix I would probablt need 180 meters. That would give me 20 inputs and 4 outputs at 30 meters.
This is my list so far:
1. 180 meters Astrix Cat 5e FTP Cable
2. 20 female XLR inputs (I don't know what this is called)
3. 4 male XLR inputs
4. 20 male XLR jacks
5. 4 TRS jacks
6. Loads of tire wires to keep my FTP cables.
I just need to get the total price of these items then I'll propose it to our church council. It takes a while usually to get approval but I got used to it. :)
Ok, I think I need to start my own thread on this. :)
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Sa church bro. I'll start to list down what I need first. If I can find that cat 5e na Astrix I would probablt need 180 meters. That would give me 20 inputs and 4 outputs at 30 meters.
This is my list so far:
1. 180 meters Astrix Cat 5e FTP Cable
2. 20 female XLR inputs (I don't know what this is called)
3. 4 male XLR inputs
4. 20 male XLR jacks
5. 4 TRS jacks
6. Loads of tire wires to keep my FTP cables.
I just need to get the total price of these items then I'll propose it to our church council. It takes a while usually to get approval but I got used to it. :)
Hmmm, ... I could not comment on this project totally as I have not tried using cat5 or 6 cables as analog audio snakes, or for analog audio connection for that matter. Now, if this was digital, no problem.
XLR connectors come into two types. Of course, male and female, and regular XLR connectors and panel (the one installed in a panel like a junction box) connectors. Normally, the panel connectors are female, if the connection is coming from the mic.
Regarding the FTP cables, my only gout would be on the insulation, grounding, flexibility (madali ba i-rolyo? Snake cable kasi) and durability. You have to consider the fact that the cable is used mainly for install purposes - hindi ginagalaw pag naka install na. A snake cable is designed for install and remove purposes (the studios I do are wired with ordinary line or mic cables, normally Belden, Mogami or another brand I cannot recall presently, not snake cables, for flexibility and better insulation). Regarding conductivity, cat 5 cables would have (I suppose) the same amount of good conductivity characteristics as all other wires (including telephone wires).
If you do it, let us know what has transpired. You can probably do a response check later to see if it works okay as an audio cable.
Regards,
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Im also not comfortable with your proposal to use cat5e as snake. It doesn't have shielding. Now if that were Cat 4 shielded twisted pair used for Token Ring, baka pwede pa.
The only known use of Cat5 in audio in my mind of course, is when car audio enthusiasts string up their speakers to their amplifiers. This application does not require shielding and many swear by the improvement in the sound. But for low-level analog signals like microphones, cat5e is inappropriate. IMHO of course.
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Another problem with using lan wires. The internal conductors of those are solid (not stranded) wire. something might snap and just one of those can cause you untold frustration.
You're better off using real microphone cables. If budget restricts, the P20 /meter "garden hose" variety is very good, for its price. Specially for short runs. Kung 10 meters each lang naman, sisiw lang yun wala ka pang maririnig na high-frequency loss.
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Thanks for the comments on F/UTP cables sirs. Now I really need to understand the audio part of this article:
http://www.spectrumelectronicsolutions.com/WHATUCANDOWITHCAT5.pdf
I find the article to technical for my pro-audio understanding at this moment. Hope you can enlighten me.
Thanks!
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The term " SNAKE " in this thread in my understanding means A PURPOSE and not as the SNAKE as we know ( flexible, rollable, durable... ) since the purpose only is to interconnect audio things in their CHURCH... not in MOBILE PA Reinforcement or Recording Studio Setup...
Then, its up to skyjammer if he still wants to use the CAT5e for the PURPOSE... If FIXED INSTALLATION, as mikep mentioned, regardless of other issues, OK yan...
I could SELL skyjammer my CAT5Es... but i dont have a single ROLL na 180 meters...
I ONLY HAVE 20meters, so if you need 180 meters, i'l sell you 9 rolls of 20 meters each...
The SOLID NOT STRANDED but TWISTED makes the TWO-WIRE unparallel, thus eliminating NOISE... ( correct me if im wrong )
Shielding... CAT5E STP and FTP are SHIELDED...UTP is NOT ( i still have 4kms total length of this )...
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The term " SNAKE " in this thread in my understanding means A PURPOSE and not as the SNAKE as we know ( flexible, rollable, durable... ) since the purpose only is to interconnect audio things in their CHURCH... not in MOBILE PA Reinforcement or Recording Studio Setup...
Then, its up to skyjammer if he still wants to use the CAT5e for the PURPOSE... If FIXED INSTALLATION, as mikep mentioned, regardless of other issues, OK yan...
I could SELL skyjammer my CAT5Es... but i dont have a single ROLL na 180 meters...
I ONLY HAVE 20meters, so if you need 180 meters, i'l sell you 9 rolls of 20 meters each...
The SOLID NOT STRANDED but TWISTED makes the TWO-WIRE unparallel, thus eliminating NOISE... ( correct me if im wrong )
Shielding... CAT5E STP and FTP are SHIELDED...UTP is NOT ( i still have 4kms total length of this )...
Sir pa-PM na lang ng price ng Cat5E please. Again, this might take long but I'll do my best. I can even do a test snake (a few muna) just to make sure.
Now, who has read the article on my previous post? :roll: :roll: It mentions something about its (Cat5e) capacity to hold 40v of DC power. i want to know if it means it can only hold 40v max or if I'm not getting the article right. Phantom power is 48v right? Please help...
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txt me..about price...
Do you really need phantom power? Condenser ba lahat ng mics na gagamitin sa church?
i've read the article and says there, as I understand huh, each wire ( AWG24 ) can handle up to 40V...
48V? safe ka pa rin kasi Phantom Power is transmitted simultaneously on PINS 2 & 3... lets say 24V each wire... he he he.
OT: i'm not a cable salesman...
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txt me..about price...
Do you really need phantom power? Condenser ba lahat ng mics na gagamitin sa church?
i've read the article and says there, as I understand huh, each wire ( AWG24 ) can handle up to 40V...
48V? safe ka pa rin kasi Phantom Power is transmitted simultaneously on PINS 2 & 3... lets say 24V each wire... he he he.
OT: i'm not a cable salesman...
I might need phantom especially in the future. If I'm building a 24-ch snake I'd better gear it for phantom power. :D
OT: Mas malaki ba ang voltage ng Zohan Power keysa sa Phantom? :D :D (Joke to, pakitawa na lang.)
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From what I've read and understood from the article (I hope all the claims are true - there are internet articles that have false claims), the CAT 5 or the e version is capable of handling analog audio as well as video excellently. Indeed a very flexible and usable cable. For fixed purposes (not snake) it will do the job. The only problem is, you can only have 4 pairs from one cable length, thus if you are doing 24 inputs, you would need 6 of those. But the cost is a very important factor. Being cheap gives it an advantage. Again, my gout is on grounding and insulation. But that is just me.
My whole house is cabled with cat 5e but I am using it mainly for internet and computer purposes only. I have not tried using it for audio. Probably when I find the time, I'll try it and give you my feedback.
Regards,
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Again, my gout is on grounding and insulation.
Same predicament here sir.
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DIGITAL SNAKES
http://www.networksound.com/Digsnake.html
http://www.mackie.com/products/ds3232/
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Another problem with using lan wires. The internal conductors of those are solid (not stranded) wire. something might snap and just one of those can cause you untold frustration.
I remember reading something about individual wire surface area, high frequencies, and the reason why they use stranded wires for audio instead of solid... I think mikep is in a better situation to expound on this though.
Wow! Multi-pair standed wires in a cable... brings me back to my telecom days. The shielding in most ethernet cables use flat foil, not the braided shielding commonly found in audio. One thing I do know about solid, multipair twisted wires in cables is that they can be hard to route (or even coil onto a drum!). The solid wires don't give much flexibility and the minimum radius when bending is rather large compared to stranded. Now what was that term we used for shorted/grounded? Ahhh... YX! Z for open faults. I miss my handset... perfect for monitoring a conversation... hehe
Carry on!
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The term " SNAKE " in this thread in my understanding means A PURPOSE and not as the SNAKE as we know ( flexible, rollable, durable... ) since the purpose only is to interconnect audio things in their CHURCH... not in MOBILE PA Reinforcement or Recording Studio Setup...
Then, its up to skyjammer if he still wants to use the CAT5e for the PURPOSE... If FIXED INSTALLATION, as mikep mentioned, regardless of other issues, OK yan...
I could SELL skyjammer my CAT5Es... but i dont have a single ROLL na 180 meters...
I ONLY HAVE 20meters, so if you need 180 meters, i'l sell you 9 rolls of 20 meters each...
The SOLID NOT STRANDED but TWISTED makes the TWO-WIRE unparallel, thus eliminating NOISE... ( correct me if im wrong )
Shielding... CAT5E STP and FTP are SHIELDED...UTP is NOT ( i still have 4kms total length of this )...
tried ung CAT5E na walang shield.. maingay. i guess mic cable na lang siguro talaga choice ko.. or ipon na lang sa analog snake..
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Mga sir at pros. Gandang araw!
May question lang ako kasi i'm planning to make a DIY snake cable pero maikli lang, around 5 meters, 12 inputs.
Eto question ko: common ba ang grounding per channel ng isang mixer? meaning pwede ba yung ground ng channel one at two ay magkadikit?
Kasi I saw a belden wire with 18 wires sa loob tapos shielded xa. so if common yung grounding ng bawat channel i can use this wire.
Pareply naman ng inputs.
Nga pala yung stage box na 16/4 is around P3500. kaso walang available sa mga stores sa raon.
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Just want to share my DIY snake cable 12 inputs.
Cable used: stereo Swan cable (bought in Raon)
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@nathzkie
magkano yong 1 meter ng ganyang kable?
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meron sa Outdoor CAT-TP level na ganyan pero Im not sure kong sa mic, pero going to speaker walang problema.
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Sir, P14.50/meter pero kinuha ko yung 1 roll ng P1200 lang. Sa Deeco meron din pero wala kasi discount dun kaya inikot ko yung buong raon.
Inabot din ako ng P3800.
8 Meters lang to.
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Sir, P14.50/meter pero kinuha ko yung 1 roll ng P1200 lang. Sa Deeco meron din pero wala kasi discount dun kaya inikot ko yung buong raon.
Inabot din ako ng P3800.
8 Meters lang to.
how many meters ang 1 roll?
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Ganito yong sinubukan ko dati gumana sa sa speaker but Im not sure kong uubra sa mic. 12 pairs ito not shielded, solid masmalaki sa STP. Solid din yong balot nya. Meron din klase ng masmarami pa dito.
:? I wonder pwepwede kaya sa inyo yong patch panel style?
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how many meters ang 1 roll?
Sir 100meters. Stereo na stranded ito. swan ang tawag nila.
yung gawa ng belden 18 wires + ground at sheild pero mukang hindi sya twisted.
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Sir 100meters. Stereo na stranded ito. swan ang tawag nila.
yung gawa ng belden 18 wires + ground at sheild pero mukang hindi sya twisted.
:) ah 100meters pwede na iyan. itaas nalang siguro
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oo nga e. kung may budget lang 30meters na sana gagawin ko. dudugtungan ko na lang later tapos ilalagay ko sa conduit. pahirapan din sa shrinkable tube e. pinutol-putol ko nga para magkasya. at mahal din yung tube, P56/meter.
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mga sir magtatanung lang po ako...anu po kaya ang magandang brand ng Snake Cable?
RMB Snake Cable
Live Snake Cable
Scorpio Snake Cable
Muzic Snake Cable
sa mga nakagamit na po alin po kaya dyan sa apat ang quality at matibay????
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mga sir magtatanung lang po ako...anu po kaya ang magandang brand ng Snake Cable?
RMB Snake Cable
Live Snake Cable
Scorpio Snake Cable
Muzic Snake Cable
sa mga nakagamit na po alin po kaya dyan sa apat ang quality at matibay????
post ka naman sir ng picture para makita naman namin ano itsura ng mga iyan
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Live lang familiar sa akin. 16/4-30meters (P9k sa Raygin sa Raon)
Kung may budget ka namn sir mag-quantum k nalang pero x3 ang price nya sa live.
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Live lang familiar sa akin. 16/4-30meters (P9k sa Raygin sa Raon)
Kung may budget ka namn sir mag-quantum k nalang pero x3 ang price nya sa live.
pwede bang bumili ng per meter lang?
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Dun sa tabi ng SanJun meron cla quantum yata yung cable. P450/meter. 16 wires laman nun.
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Dun sa tabi ng SanJun meron cla quantum yata yung cable. P450/meter. 16 wires laman nun.
san banda yun? meron ba silang ung 8 ch lang? low budget.. ahahahahah
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Kong sa speaker papunta or array :) bat hindi nyo i try yong UTP, STP Cat5/e. pwede kayo bumili ng ilang meters mura lang yan at subukan muna bago bumili ng maramihan. Sa amga computer shop meron nyan nabibili.
sa UTP, STP meron maraming core
Meron ding 25-100 core .... malaki kamurahan nito kong para bibili ka rito localy ng per meter almost 2x 1/2 the price patong nila dyan.
Lahat yan Meron shielded at non-shielded. Wag lang ang hahanapin ninyo ay UTP,STP na mga cable dahil ang pangalan na yan ne disgned sa networking sa computer kaya walang kinalaman yan sa speaker area ninyo... ang mahalaga yong conductor size at ilang core.
Meron ding pang outdoor type yong may Gel.
Ang technique bumili kayo ng ilang meter lang sa mga electronic shop (medyo mahal ang price pero ilang meter lang bilin ninyo) tapos i test nyo doon sama sama ang speaker tingnan ninyo kong may bad effect or wala.
Wag nyo alalahanin kong ilang core, kahit ilang core pa yan pwede magpasadyamagpapagawa tulungan ko kayo doon sa nag iinvest na talaga basta subukan nyo na muna dito para sigurado.
Tapos yong plug or connector sa dulo canvass muna kayo tapos lagay nyo price dito i check natin kong overprice na... mostly nakikita ko overprice grabe.... meron tayo makukunan murang mura hehehe bastat I suggest marami like 50-100 pieces para sulit tapos yong iba pag may sobra pa sa reserved ninyo ibenta nyo nalang para makatulong sa iba.
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sir kumusta naman performance nung live 16X4X30 matibay ba sir? kung bibili ako this month kay raygin 9k pa rin ba sir?
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Dun sa tabi ng SanJun meron cla quantum yata yung cable. P450/meter. 16 wires laman nun.
hi sir, may telephone number ka ba nitong sanjun? i'm planning mag DIY din ng snake cables,
pero kung quantum bundled wires @P450/m x 30m = P13,500 na! wala pang box at XLR's :-(
parang masmaige pang bumili nalang ng buo na.
at sir meron bang nabibiling female combo na XLR-1/4" jack chassis connector? ito yung combined na XLR and 1/4" jack pwedeng iplug.... space saving sa box at versatile during set-up yung ganon walang hassle.
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bubuhaying ang thread.. natry ko uli ton UTP cable na meron ako Amphenol brand. I wired it unbalanced walang noise ok siya (wrong wiring lang pala 1st try ko.)
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bubuhaying ang thread.. natry ko uli ton UTP cable na meron ako Amphenol brand. I wired it unbalanced walang noise ok siya (wrong wiring lang pala 1st try ko.)
sir pa share kung ok ang result....gagawa din ako. marami kasi utp cable dito naka junk lang...