anything about the Beatles ...

[slowhandpal]

Ang lupet ni burnsbhm. Hardcore Beatlemaniac. Ibang klase.

I believed he(Bryan) knows much more than anyone of us here pertaining The Beatles.. It's always nice to have him around.

[plasticsoul]

Bryan, thanks for the history on Beatles gears.

On Gibson J160e, one reason why the Beatles would use the said guitar was because they were fans of the Everly Brothers.
When plugged, the guitar actually had an electric sound comapred to other acoustics. It was how John would recall of his guitar choice.

[slowhandpal]

was it Stu Sutclif who turns his back from the audience to hide his raw talent to play?

[burnsbhm]

was it Stu Sutclif who turns his back from the audience to hide his raw talent to play?

I forgot to discuss about the Beatles use of Martin guitars, I reckon I share it here.
The Beatles were pretty much familiar with Martin guitars as early as 1961 - the first time they saw one - in Hamburg. Tony Sheridan owns a Martin D28.

Although it would be 1967 were any Beatles got his hand on a Martin. John Lennon bought his very own D28 in mid 1967. Paul McCartney got one not long after. It was used on the Magical Mystery tour sessions.

Recently, I discovered another instrument stolen from the Beatles - George's second copy of the Rickenbacker 360-12. Boy I'm beginning to think there are more stolen Beatles gear than the reported stolen Gibson 160E.

Stuart Sutcliffe unfortunately isn't a bass player. Being John's close friend, he's in the band anyway. George says, "a bad bass player is better than no bass player. Beggars can't be choosers."

Yup he turns his back on the audience because he really plays poorly. At least well below Paul's ability.

[plasticsoul]

When John first heard the Clash, he thought he was like them. He even claimed that he (and Yoko) were the original punks.

Some music critics would say that Strummer and Jones partnership was like of Lennon-McCartney. "London Calling" was an attestation to that. It's not a Sgt. Pepper's or Revolver, but it proved that it could be an important album in the rock era.

Too bad, Lennon was not able to wait for Oasis. Of course, there was no songwriting partnership among Oasis. Mostly, it was Noel G.'s, who was not ashamed to admit how badly he wanted to sound like the Beatles...how he imagined singing "across the universe" only with his acoustic guitar. George Martin was even quoted saying that Noel G. is one of the best songwriters of his generation.

Also, Bono (and Edge) of U2. In 1980, they were just starting as a band. Naturally, John would not notice them. His playboy interview came in 1980 after a 5 year absence from the music scene. Bono would recall how "Imagine" really hit him. Probably, it was the inspiration for coming up with songs like "I Still Haven't Found.." and "One."

How about K. Cobain, a self-confessed Beatles fanatic? Had John lived, do you think he would have noticed him? Yup. Although he had stopped being a fan, he listened a lot and followed the rock (n roll) trend.

[burnsbhm]

When John first heard the Clash, he thought he was like them. He even claimed that he (and Yoko) were the original punks.

Some music critics would say that Strummer and Jones partnership was like of Lennon-McCartney. "London Calling" was an attestation to that. It's not a Sgt. Pepper's or Revolver, but it proved that it could be an important album in the rock era.

Too bad, Lennon was not able to wait for Oasis. Of course, there was no songwriting partnership among Oasis. Mostly, it was Noel G.'s, who was not ashamed to admit how badly he wanted to sound like the Beatles...how he imagined singing "across the universe" only with his acoustic guitar. George Martin was even quoted saying that Noel G. is one of the best songwriters of his generation.

Also, Bono (and Edge) of U2. In 1980, they were just starting as a band. Naturally, John would not notice them. His playboy interview came in 1980 after a 5 year absence from the music scene. Bono would recall how "Imagine" really hit him. Probably, it was the inspiration for coming up with songs like "I Still Haven't Found.." and "One."

How about K. Cobain, a self-confessed Beatles fanatic? Had John lived, do you think he would have noticed him? Yup. Although he had stopped being a fan, he listened a lot and followed the rock (n roll) trend.

There is a certain amount of hippocrisy in Bono's professed love for classic rock. When U2 was starting out, they claim that their music is not influenced by anyone except the Ramones, The Sex Pistols and their contemporaries. Keith Richards even scolded them because the band cannot jam any classic tune. In fact they were a bit curious as to WHO KEITH RICHARDS IS! That was in 1984 while they were about to record The Unforgettable Fire.

The Clash on the other hand have nothing but reverence to the Classics although they just hate what it became during the mid70s. Classic rockers were all rich and bloated. The Clash says these guys forgot the real reason the rockers are here - to make music not to get rich and fat.

[slowhandpal]

@ Bryan was it Stu whom John enlisted allegedly just because he owns a Radio Phono?

[burnsbhm]

John had known Stu since the days at the Liverpool College of Art. They are schoolmates and lived on the same apartment. John was totally knocked out by Stu's talent in the visual arts.

I don't recall of any account that Stu was hired because he owned a radio phono - he may have one but that could not be the basis for him to be with then The Silver Beetles. Stu was more like John's security blanket. Much like Ray Tabano to Steven Tyler during the early days of Aerosmith.

Although Stu - compared to John, Paul and George was a very poor musician, he was by no means extremely inferior. He sang in church choirs, learned to play the bugle and know some chords on the guitar when he was a boy. When he sold one of his paintings, he was egged on by John and Paul to buy a Hofner President bass.

Despite his below par musicianship, he was no means useless to the band. Before the band know of any formal business logistics, he used to be the band's booking agent. And used to rehearse on his Gambier Terrace.

[slowhandpal]

John had known Stu since the days at the Liverpool College of Art. They are schoolmates and lived on the same apartment. John was totally knocked out by Stu's talent in the visual arts.

I don't recall of any account that Stu was hired because he owned a radio phono - he may have one but that could not be the basis for him to be with then The Silver Beetles. Stu was more like John's security blanket. Much like Ray Tabano to Steven Tyler during the early days of Aerosmith.

Although Stu - compared to John, Paul and George was a very poor musician, he was by no means extremely inferior. He sang in church choirs, learned to play the bugle and know some chords on the guitar when he was a boy. When he sold one of his paintings, he was egged on by John and Paul to buy a Hofner President bass.

Despite his below par musicianship, he was no means useless to the band. Before the band know of any formal business logistics, he used to be the band's booking agent. And used to rehearse on his Gambier Terrace.

thanks a lot Bryan

[slowhandpal]

After the breakup George was the first one to release a multi volume album in All Things Must Pass. The Album title was rehearsed during the Let It Be sessions.

I believe, George might have written a lot for the Beatles, but he was only given a slot for a song or two in any Beatles album.

[burnsbhm]

After the breakup George was the first one to release a multi volume album in All Things Must Pass. The Album title was rehearsed during the Let It Be sessions.

I believe, George might have written a lot for the Beatles, but he was only given a slot for a song or two in any Beatles album.

Agree on this one. Although at first, George didn't write much. He started writing a lot around the Sgt. Pepper days. All Things Must Pass is a documentation of his huge backlog of songs.

One interesting song of George that was never released until the demo version appeared on Anthology 1 is "You Know What To Do." It could have been a great addition to Beatles For Sale.

[slowhandpal]

When John first heard the Clash, he thought he was like them. He even claimed that he (and Yoko) were the original punks.

Some music critics would say that Strummer and Jones partnership was like of Lennon-McCartney. "London Calling" was an attestation to that. It's not a Sgt. Pepper's or Revolver, but it proved that it could be an important album in the rock era.

Too bad, Lennon was not able to wait for Oasis. Of course, there was no songwriting partnership among Oasis. Mostly, it was Noel G.'s, who was not ashamed to admit how badly he wanted to sound like the Beatles...how he imagined singing "across the universe" only with his acoustic guitar. George Martin was even quoted saying that Noel G. is one of the best songwriters of his generation.

Also, Bono (and Edge) of U2. In 1980, they were just starting as a band. Naturally, John would not notice them. His playboy interview came in 1980 after a 5 year absence from the music scene. Bono would recall how "Imagine" really hit him. Probably, it was the inspiration for coming up with songs like "I Still Haven't Found.." and "One."

How about K. Cobain, a self-confessed Beatles fanatic? Had John lived, do you think he would have noticed him? Yup. Although he had stopped being a fan, he listened a lot and followed the rock (n roll) trend.

George Benson, Jose Feliciano and Chet Atkins, three great guitar players that covers a lot of Beatles songs..

btw I have extra bnew Beatles straps, just p.m Abbey Road & Revolver

[slowhandpal]

Agree on this one. Although at first, George didn't write much. He started writing a lot around the Sgt. Pepper days. All Things Must Pass is a documentation of his huge backlog of songs.

One interesting song of George that was never released until the demo version appeared on Anthology 1 is "You Know What To Do." It could have been a great addition to Beatles For Sale.

and if I may add.. The Legendary Concert for Bangla Desh was the first All Star Rock Concert for a cause by George Harrison & Friends. Is it true that before the concert,there were rumours that the Beatles will reunite because Paul was sent invitation to play by George?

Calling Bryan and everyone..

[burnsbhm]

and if I may add.. The Legendary Concert for Bangla Desh was the first All Star Rock Concert for a cause by George Harrison & Friends. Is it true that before the concert,there were rumours that the Beatles will reunite because Paul was sent invitation to play by George?

Calling Bryan and everyone..

Although George sent an invitation, Paul flatly refused to go to the event because the issues about the Beatles disbanding was very hot at that time. George invited John to go on the premise that he goes there - ALONE, without Yoko. John agreed but Yoko argued with John about it. And two days before the event he left New York because of Yoko's naggings. Ringo was there without a hitch.

[slowhandpal]

Although George sent an invitation, Paul flatly refused to go to the event because the issues about the Beatles disbanding was very hot at that time. George invited John to go on the premise that he goes there - ALONE, without Yoko. John agreed but Yoko argued with John about it. And two days before the event he left New York because of Yoko's naggings. Ringo was there without a hitch.

when Paul staged Concert for the people of Kampuchea few years after The concert for Bangla Desh, did Paul invite any of the three Beatles?

[burnsbhm]

when Paul staged Concert for the people of Kampuchea few years after The concert for Bangla Desh, did Paul invite any of the three Beatles?

Unfortunately, none of my resources ever mentioned the rest of the Beatles in Concerts for Kampuchea. Maybe others have more deep references for this.

What I can only tell is that this was Wings last concert and its organization was assisted by the U.N.

[slowhandpal]

The Concert for Bangla Desh by George Harrison & Friends has only one band in Bad Finger. The rest were solo artists like Jesse Ed Davis, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Leon Russel, Ringo Star, Billy Preston, Jim Keltner

And The Concert for the People of Kampuchea were filled with Bands like The Wings, The Who, Pretenders, The Clash; The Queen, Elvis Costello,The Specials..

[burnsbhm]

The Concert for Bangla Desh by George Harrison & Friends has only one band in Bad Finger. The rest were solo artists like Jesse Ed Davis, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, Leon Russel, Ringo Star, Billy Preston, Jim Keltner

And The Concert for the People of Kampuchea were filled with Bands like The Wings, The Who, Pretenders, The Clash; The Queen, Elvis Costello,The Specials..

The Concerts (yes it is CONCERTS - 4 day event) For The People Of Kampuchea (then and now Cambodia) started in Boxing Day - December 26 and ended in December 29. It is interesting to note that only Queen played on the 26th (I mean with all the bands who committed to play, who could dare share the stage with Queen?)
It is also the heyday of punk and new wave to the Clash and the Pretenders (then an upcoming band) were given their early mainstream exposure. Other punk and new wave bands to play were Elvis Costello and The Attractions and The Specials.

The last day of the event was headlined by Wings and Rockestra - an impromptu supergroup led by Paul McCartney.

[slowhandpal]

The Concerts (yes it is CONCERTS - 4 day event) For The People Of Kampuchea (then and now Cambodia) started in Boxing Day - December 26 and ended in December 29. It is interesting to note that only Queen played on the 26th (I mean with all the bands who committed to play, who could dare share the stage with Queen?)
It is also the heyday of punk and new wave to the Clash and the Pretenders (then an upcoming band) were given their early mainstream exposure. Other punk and new wave bands to play were Elvis Costello and The Attractions and The Specials.

The last day of the event was headlined by Wings and Rockestra - an impromptu supergroup led by Paul McCartney.

was\it the day when Paul discovered The Pretenders Guitarist whom he enlisted later in his group?

[playamoth]

The Specials- Ska band. 

[burnsbhm]

was\it the day when Paul discovered The Pretenders Guitarist whom he enlisted later in his group?

I'm afraid not. Robbie McIntosh was the replacement for the Pretender's original guitarist James Honeyman Scott. Robbie McIntosh joined The Pretenders around 1983 and made his debut appearance on the album Learning To Crawl (this is my favorite Pretenders album).

Incidentally, there is another Robbie McIntosh. He was the drummer for the Scottish Soul/Funk/R&B band Average White Band. He died shortly after the release of their 2nd album AWB that contains the classic "Pick Up The Pieces" and their outstanding cover of "Work To Do" by the Isley Brothers.

To Playamoth - Yup, The Specials were a Ska band. Although most Ska Bands originating in the UK were generally categorized in the Punk and New Wave bandwagon as most of it's practitioners (2Tone Ska to be exact) were treading the boards during Punk's heyday. Also, Punk and New Wave's desire for nostalgia paved the way to revivals of different genres (neo-Rockabilly like the Stray Cats, 2Tone Ska like the Specials). This sub genre of ska was called 2Tone ska because most of the bands of this style have or had a record deal with 2Tone Records.

[slowhandpal]

I'm afraid not. Robbie McIntosh was the replacement for the Pretender's original guitarist James Honeyman Scott. Robbie McIntosh joined The Pretenders around 1983 and made his debut appearance on the album Learning To Crawl (this is my favorite Pretenders album).

Incidentally, there is another Robbie McIntosh. He was the drummer for the Scottish Soul/Funk/R&B band Average White Band. He died shortly after the release of their 2nd album AWB that contains the classic "Pick Up The Pieces" and their outstanding cover of "Work To Do" by the Isley Brothers.

To Playamoth - Yup, The Specials were a Ska band. Although most Ska Bands originating in the UK were generally categorized in the Punk and New Wave bandwagon as most of it's practitioners (2Tone Ska to be exact) were treading the boards during Punk's heyday. Also, Punk and New Wave's desire for nostalgia paved the way to revivals of different genres (neo-Rockabilly like the Stray Cats, 2Tone Ska like the Specials). This sub genre of ska was called 2Tone ska because most of the bands of this style have or had a record deal with 2Tone Records.

  Thanks a lot Bryan. Don't be far from this thread okay?...

[burnsbhm]

I am always around. Closely monitored naman itong thread e.

[plasticsoul]

After the breakup George was the first one to release a multi volume album in All Things Must Pass. The Album title was rehearsed during the Let It Be sessions.

I believe, George might have written a lot for the Beatles, but he was only given a slot for a song or two in any Beatles album.

If you notice George's material, they are not for the Beatles. This goes the same for John and Paul (and even Ringo) You can't expect Beatles to record stuff like "Mother" or Paul's "Maybe I'm Amazed" despite a good guitar solo in the middle, or Ringo's "Photograph" which featured George. Perhaps the songs they wanted to appear on the Beatles albums were just good for sessions but not for recording. For reference, one can listen to the Anthology albums. The standards for the Beatles are different. The break up just liberted the individual Beatles to pursue what they wanted. It was less complicated. Nobody had to tell them what to do because they were now free.

John said that it was very hard for George to compete with the Lennon-McCartney tandem. He pitied the latter for that. He couldn't help him much because he was also having a hard time dealing with Paul. He didn't want to add his burden by being there for George.

Anyway, it was just a point in time that they had to deal with that. More than 20 years later, Paul, George and Ringo got back to the studio to record some stuff left by John.

[slowhandpal]

If you notice George's material, they are not for the Beatles. This goes the same for John and Paul (and even Ringo) You can't expect Beatles to record stuff like "Mother" or Paul's "Maybe I'm Amazed" despite a good guitar solo in the middle, or Ringo's "Photograph" which featured George. Perhaps the songs they wanted to appear on the Beatles albums were just good for sessions but not for recording. For reference, one can listen to the Anthology albums. The standards for the Beatles are different. The break up just liberted the individual Beatles to pursue what they wanted. It was less complicated. Nobody had to tell them what to do because they were now free.

John said that it was very hard for George to compete with the Lennon-McCartney tandem. He pitied the latter for that. He couldn't help him much because he was also having a hard time dealing with Paul. He didn't want to add his burden by being there for George.

Anyway, it was just a point in time that they had to deal with that. More than 20 years later, Paul, George and Ringo got back to the studio to record some stuff left by John.

Perhaps it is also the reason why George was always there for Ringo who was struggling to write songs then. George mentioned he's got to write good songs to be at par( not necessarily equal) with John & Paul.