Opinions on guitar for bottleneck/slide (clips inside)

[deltaslim]

Yes, I've found a justification for new GAS!  Seriously, I need to find an electric guitar that suits me for bottleneck/slide playing. Tone is impt but also setup and construction (for eg, deep cutaway for higher fret access, pu placement).  Any suggestions on the guitar, how they should be set-up, and the best pu for slide?  I'm starting toward to lean towards an LP or SG but a Tele might work too.

Here are two that I evaluated last night.  Let me know whether you like #1 or #2 better.  Hulaan nyo na rin anong guitar and ano pus na ginamit dyan

Statesboro 1
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3743953&q=hi
Statesboro 2
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3743962&q=hi

Sleepwalk 1
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3743993&q=hi
Sleepwalk 2
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3743996&q=hi

Amazing Grace 1
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3743968&q=hi
Amazing Grace 2
http://www.soundclick.com/util/getplayer.m3u?id=3743987&q=hi

[dantuts]

with my sg, i think its a good guitar for slide kasi for me.. magaan..

but my problem is .. my action is setup low. im having problems doing slide at high E.. kahit light touch , tumatama na sa frets.

so for me.. go for SG ( duane allman , derek trucks hehehe ) tapos alisin mo yung pickguard hehehe

good clips but i dont really know kung anong guitar ginamit..  

did you use effects ?? or straight sa amp .. ?

question.. so ok lang bang mag jumbo frets pag doing slide guitar ??

and do you prefer having your guitar setup for playing slide only ??

Good delta slide playing .. deltaslim..

[deltaslim]

with my sg, i think its a good guitar for slide kasi for me.. magaan..

but my problem is .. my action is setup low. im having problems doing slide at high E.. kahit light touch , tumatama na sa frets.

so for me.. go for SG ( duane allman , derek trucks hehehe ) tapos alisin mo yung pickguard hehehe

good clips but i dont really know kung anong guitar ginamit..  

did you use effects ?? or straight sa amp .. ?

question.. so ok lang bang mag jumbo frets pag doing slide guitar ??

and do you prefer having your guitar setup for playing slide only ??

Good delta slide playing .. deltaslim..

tnx. dat was straight to amp. i'll hold off muna on saying what the gtrs were.

i now prefer having at least one guitar setup just for slide.  mahirap yung compromise betw finger and slide playing e, you'll never get a guitar to do both really well w/ one setup.  ika nga nila about action, "too high for fingerstyle, too low for slide"...

may nagsabi rin sa akin to go SG eh, due to the upper fret access. i have a theory also that the neck pu needs to be set further back para hindi bassy/muddy. and the HB pu itself is better kasi ang SC may dead spot directly on top when you try to sustain a note w/ ur slide over it.

mukhang sobrang baba talaga yang setup mo or mabigat ang touch mo. palagyan mo ng konting relief or taaasan mo yung nut and bridge if you haven't already. also, use a light materail (eg, glass) slide.

[dantuts]

its seems like dun sa mga clips .. medyo high gain ka ..

LP ba gamit mo.. ?? medyo mataba kasi yung tone..(amazing grace)

i can here your using both slide and left hand fretting.. tama ba ??  

im still working on my right hand dampening and konting left hand muting. i'm also practicing on Standard tuning and also learning from warren haynes video ..again.. konti lang alam kong licks i'm just doing blues pentatonic. medyo mahirap din kasi konti lang napakinggan kong slide music..

i still prefer doing it on clean muna, para malinis . i just want to hear more sustains in my sliding. it seems like im going to need a compressor/sustainer.. and again a decent amp.

but to be honest sometimes its frustrating...hehehe

[dantuts]

i now prefer having at least one guitar setup just for slide. mahirap yung compromise betw finger and slide playing e, you'll never get a guitar to do both really well w/ one setup. ika nga nila about action, "too high for fingerstyle, too low for slide"...

in my case i have to do both on one guitar and i dont frequently play slide guitar. kaya compromise ako..

[deltaslim]

its seems like dun sa Sleepwalk .. medyo high gain ka ..

Tele ba yung ginamit mo

i can here your using both slide and left hand fretting.. tama ba ??  

im still working on my right hand dampening and konting left hand muting. i'm also practicing on Standard tuning and also learning from warren haynes video ..again.. konti lang alam kong licks i'm just doing blues pentatonic. medyo mahirap din kasi konti lang napakinggan kong slide music..

i still prefer doing it on clean muna, para malinis . i just want to hear more sustains in my sliding. it seems like im going to need a compressor/sustainer.. and again a decent amp.

but to be honest sometimes its frustrating...hehehe

no. of notes that i fretted w/ finger in all of those clips: 1  

doing it w/ clean tone is a good idea. but that's why it's good to practice slide on an acoustic or resonator too. you develop a habit of trying to get as much volume, sustain, and meaty tone out of it. after, slide on electrics should be easier (assuming ok ang set up).

listening back, i agree w/ you, sumobra nga ata sa OD sa amp. and a compressor would be good. sa electric nga ok yun kasi you won't have to have so much OD.  but as i said, i'm trying to learn how to have it wide open but control everything from the gtr or w/ technique.

[dantuts]

mas trip ko playing slides sa acoustic, kasi raw (using metal slide)

tska parang kahit may mga sabit ok parin. we can get away with it, its sort of like doing delta slide stuff na hindi aggressive(rasping the slide)

im listening to Allman Brother's one way out right now.. i dont know kung lumang line up ito.. but medyo simple lang yung slide licks nya. puro hand control ..linis..

[Kulas]

bro delta! an SG for blues? parang hindi bagay, hehe. i don't mean yung sound pero more on the looks, hehe. kasi naassociate ko yung SG's with black sabbath, led zep, more on classic rock and roll tunes, hehe. bagay na bagay yung tele for slide blues, for me, hehe. or baka kaya dahil napanood ko lang si lightning boy? hehe. try a lespaul din siguro.

[rubis915]

An SG would be great ala Derek Trucks...

Ako mas trip ko yung Amazing Grace 1...
ewan ko pero, parang mas light ang konti
ang setting ng OD mo or mas mabagal lang
kaya more pronounced ang notes....

Statesboro - Galit na galit
Sleepwalk - Mas galit
Amazing Grace -Galit

I've heard that all SLIDE material sound difeerent from
each other(i.e. Bottle, Glass, Metal)

Ang Hula ko... TOKAI '97 GOLDTOP with P-90s... hehe!!!
Galing mo talaga Sir!!!

[dantuts]

[deltaslim]

An SG would be great ala Derek Trucks...

Ako mas trip ko yung Amazing Grace 1...
ewan ko pero, parang mas light ang konti
ang setting ng OD mo or mas mabagal lang
kaya more pronounced ang notes....

Statesboro - Galit na galit
Sleepwalk - Mas galit
Amazing Grace -Galit

I've heard that all SLIDE material sound difeerent from
each other(i.e. Bottle, Glass, Metal)

Ang Hula ko... TOKAI '97 GOLDTOP with P-90s... hehe!!!
Galing mo talaga Sir!!!

For all clips or for Amazing Grace 1?  Anyway, di ko pa muna sasabihin kung tama o hindi

Ok, mukhang pangit talaga yung pagkasobra ng OD ko. That's great feedback. Mental note for me to use lighter OD and get my sustain thru the gtr or comp.  Which points up the issue on getting the right guitar in the first place!!!

Ikaw kasi, di mo ko mahintay na bilin ung white SG! Ganda sana nun... para naman di mailang si kulas sa looks (visually artistic talaga mga nasa medai e)!

[Kulas]

An SG would be great ala Derek Trucks...

Ako mas trip ko yung Amazing Grace 1...
ewan ko pero, parang mas light ang konti
ang setting ng OD mo or mas mabagal lang
kaya more pronounced ang notes....

Statesboro - Galit na galit
Sleepwalk - Mas galit
Amazing Grace -Galit

I've heard that all SLIDE material sound difeerent from
each other(i.e. Bottle, Glass, Metal)

Ang Hula ko... TOKAI '97 GOLDTOP with P-90s... hehe!!!
Galing mo talaga Sir!!!

For all clips or for Amazing Grace 1?  Anyway, di ko pa muna sasabihin kung tama o hindi

Ok, mukhang pangit talaga yung pagkasobra ng OD ko. That's great feedback. Mental note for me to use lighter OD and get my sustain thru the gtr or comp.  Which points up the issue on getting the right guitar in the first place!!!

Ikaw kasi, di mo ko mahintay na bilin ung white SG! Ganda sana nun... para naman di mailang si kulas sa looks (visually artistic talaga mga nasa medai e)!

sakin galing yung white SG na yun eh, hehe. sarap sana i-restore yung bigsby nya. i bought it for the "worn-out" looks, hehe. ganda din ng tunog nun, classic ang dating. pero it just wasn't the sound for me. mas gusto ko talaga yung sound ng strat, hehe.

[deltaslim]

sakin galing yung white SG na yun eh, hehe. sarap sana i-restore yung bigsby nya. i bought it for the "worn-out" looks, hehe. ganda din ng tunog nun, classic ang dating. pero it just wasn't the sound for me. mas gusto ko talaga yung sound ng strat, hehe.

in that case, double sayang!

[rubis915]

Honestly....  ako mas lalong nanghihinayang sa sinasabi nyo e...
hehehe!!! tagal ko din pinost yun 1 week bago may kumuha.
Ayoko talagang bitawan yung SG na yun... Imagine...
last December '05 ko pa nakilala si kulas, binili nya yung
morris 1973 acoustic ko, pinakita nya yung SG nya...
Unang kita agad... gusto ko na agad bilin...
kaya nung nagkaroon ng chance nitong FEB. diko na pinakawalan
e ang kaso... kailangan ko talaga mag dispose ng gitara
to give way for a new one.
Kahit ako gusto ko irestore yun....
ganda ng tone nun lalo na sa Studio .22+ ko
Fat tone!!!

Congrats Wes!!!

[Kulas]

Honestly....  ako mas lalong nanghihinayang sa sinasabi nyo e...
hehehe!!! tagal ko din pinost yun 1 week bago may kumuha.
Ayoko talagang bitawan yung SG na yun... Imagine...
last December '05 ko pa nakilala si kulas, binili nya yung
morris 1973 acoustic ko, pinakita nya yung SG nya...
Unang kita agad... gusto ko na agad bilin...
kaya nung nagkaroon ng chance nitong FEB. diko na pinakawalan
e ang kaso... kailangan ko talaga mag dispose ng gitara
to give way for a new one.
Kahit ako gusto ko irestore yun....
ganda ng tone nun lalo na sa Studio .22+ ko
Fat tone!!!

Congrats Wes!!!

nyeeehhh, iba nalang sana yung dinispose mo, hehe. yung tele sana, hehe. ako pa kukuha nun if ever, hehe. sayang talaga yung SG na yun, hehe. binili ko yun on the first day i signed up dito sa forums. nag-sign up ako dahil nakita ko yun, hehe. for a bolt on guitar maganda sha, hehe. lahat ng taong humawak nun dito sa office natuwa sa tone nya eh. and masasabi ko din na natuwa ako sa tone nung narinig kong tinutugtog nila, hehe.

anyway, ano binili mo chris?

[vegetablejoe]

deltaslim,

if you're not particular about the look of the headstock, the Aria Pro II SPL-SD that someone is selling on this forum is a cost-effective LP style guitar. Mahogany body with maple cap assures similar to LP tone.

Advantage over an LP is easier higher fret access because of the contour at the neck joint.

just a practical suggestion...

[titser_marco]

Delts! I vote #2 for Statesboro! But I agree with most posts that a cleaner tone would have given us more parameters

Anyway, I've been playing using a slide for some lines in some of the songs (i'm coming from the george harrison of slide playing) that my band plays. I've read somewhere that slides work well with heavier gauges. I did notice this after moving from 009s to 010s but in your experience, are 010s enough? Or do i need a heavier gauge? I use a metal slide btw.

[deltaslim]

deltaslim,

if you're not particular about the look of the headstock, the Aria Pro II SPL-SD that someone is selling on this forum is a cost-effective LP style guitar. Mahogany body with maple cap assures similar to LP tone.

Advantage over an LP is easier higher fret access because of the contour at the neck joint.

just a practical suggestion...

vjoe - parang di mo ako kilala ah... y'know i wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that my LP's headstock isn't 'correct'.  i know, i know... i'm shallow.

[deltaslim]

Delts! I vote #2 for Statesboro! But I agree with most posts that a cleaner tone would have given us more parameters

Anyway, I've been playing using a slide for some lines in some of the songs (i'm coming from the george harrison of slide playing) that my band plays. I've read somewhere that slides work well with heavier gauges. I did notice this after moving from 009s to 010s but in your experience, are 010s enough? Or do i need a heavier gauge? I use a metal slide btw.

i just tried a guitar w/ DR 11s and it seems to be better than the 10s i use on mine.  my future dedicated slide guitar will therefore be strung w/ 11s at least.

[Kulas]

deltaslim,

if you're not particular about the look of the headstock, the Aria Pro II SPL-SD that someone is selling on this forum is a cost-effective LP style guitar. Mahogany body with maple cap assures similar to LP tone.

Advantage over an LP is easier higher fret access because of the contour at the neck joint.

just a practical suggestion...

vjoe - parang di mo ako kilala ah... y'know i wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that my LP's headstock isn't 'correct'.  i know, i know... i'm shallow.

haha! i can totally relate... hehe. i have a fernandes strat (yung kay toybitz dati) which sounds great! i think even better than my texas equipped fender. and to think naka-ceramic pickups lang yung fernandes. ngayon, the only thing that's keeping it from becoming my favorite guitar, is... its post lawsuit headstock, hehe. now if i can only find someone who will sell me a fender neck... hehehe

[rubis915]

Same here Delta, yung gaban ko din ganda ng tunog nun,
and for 1 year of using with D'addario 12's, di yun bumigay...
kaya nga lang... sometimes at the end of the day, nag hahangad
pa din ako ng mas kilala at tama.... sabi nga nila.... kahit hindi kilala
basta  "HISTORICALLY CORRECT" ok na. hehehe!!!

Kaya i immediately disposed the Gaban, nung nakuha ko yung
Tokai ko, medyo mababang modelo lang pero, Solve naman
ang tenga ko sa tone at linaw ng tunog.

Isang napansin ko lang sa mga greco na nahawakan
ko mga early 1976-1977, walang problema sa tunog,
minali nila yung ibang design ng hardware.
So fitting a fender or gibson replacement means
boring another hole. hehe!!!
 

[dantuts]

I did notice this after moving from 009s to 010s but in your experience, are 010s enough? Or do i need a heavier gauge? I use a metal slide btw.

i've never tried using .011's pa. the problem is , again i only have one guitar for both slide and rhythm. and it tends to get muddy/bassy. pero depende din. it seems like with GHS muddy yung tone ko with my SG. but with Ernie ball .010's mas bright.

delta...how does DR sound like ?? in your opinion..

btw, in terms of PUP's i read na derek trucks uses SD antiquity sa neck ata.. i'll check again. kaya rin siguro hindi masyadong high gain yung tone nya. kasi microphonic yung antiquity..??

[vegetablejoe]

vjoe - parang di mo ako kilala ah... y'know i wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing that my LP's headstock isn't 'correct'.  i know, i know... i'm shallow.

kaya naman ni Arie mag-"graft" ng historically correct headstock dun, hehehe!

[titser_marco]

Delts! I vote #2 for Statesboro! But I agree with most posts that a cleaner tone would have given us more parameters

Anyway, I've been playing using a slide for some lines in some of the songs (i'm coming from the george harrison of slide playing) that my band plays. I've read somewhere that slides work well with heavier gauges. I did notice this after moving from 009s to 010s but in your experience, are 010s enough? Or do i need a heavier gauge? I use a metal slide btw.

i just tried a guitar w/ DR 11s and it seems to be better than the 10s i use on mine.  my future dedicated slide guitar will therefore be strung w/ 11s at least.

Are there DR strings here in Manila?

[deltaslim]

delta...how does DR sound like ?? in your opinion..

i've only tried them once and only for a short while.  in any case, it's hard to determine the tone of strings unless you A/B w/ same guitar-amp and setup.