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[zero44]

audio interface = soundcard

thanks!

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sorry, follow up question ulit,

sir kitC, actually hartke vxl po yung DI box ko.. meron na po syang preamp at the same time DI Box din sya..
so kung ipa-plug ko po sya directly sa audio input ng soundcard ko pwede po ba yun?

or kelangan ko pa din dumaan muna ng usb audio interface..?

[KitC]

Ok, try this.

The Hartke has a 1/4" line output. Get one of those 1/8" stereo to red/white RCA cables plus a couple of RCA-to-1/4" adapters. Plug the 1/8" to your computer's LINE IN, not mic in. Make sure your line inputs are active in your sound control panel/mixer applet.

Fire up your DAW and make sure your inputs are active. Add a mono track and assign the inputs.

By going this route, your bass sound will be dry and unprocessed, normally perfect for recording but it can be boring when you monitor the signal. One more thing, latency may (most likely will) be an issue. You can use asio4all in this case but I don't guarantee great performance. Btw, the Hartke has a parallel output. Route that to your bass amp for latency free monitoring.

If this works for you, then great. Use the opportunity to hone your recording chops. When the time comes that you want better recording performance, then go for a real interface.

[zero44]

^ tried it, works fine for me.. kaso yung ultra low frequency lang yung hindi nya ma-pickup..

siguro yung minimum na pinipickup nya is 100hz.. tried boosting most of the frequency below 100hz, walang nagbabago.. sa 100hz and above lang sya nagrereact.. di ko maalala kung ano yung highest frequency, pero usually pagdating ng 6k onwards, kinucut ko na.. or baka sa DAW ko na to, gusto ko din sana syang i-try sa pod farm, kaso kasi parang mas maraming editing tool yung amplitube?

actually works quite decent even without DAW kaso mas maganda pa din kung may konting modifications using DAWs
tried it using Mixcraft and Amplitube..


here's my sample recording,

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btw, idk what happened when i upload to youtube.. naging undefined yung ibang frequency.. but the raw mp3 is quite decent..



EDIT:
may mali din pala ako sa volume input ko dito nung ginawa ko.. nag add ako ng gain to the input and output para makuha yung desired volume so lumiliit yung dynamics ko.. pero nakuha ko na din sya nung nag experiment ako kanina..
napagmatch ko yung required volume without adding gain on the input sa DAW..

[KitC]

siguro yung minimum na pinipickup nya is 100hz.. tried boosting most of the frequency below 100hz, walang nagbabago.. sa 100hz and above lang sya nagrereact.. di ko maalala kung ano yung highest frequency, pero usually pagdating ng 6k onwards, kinucut ko na..

Most guitars have nothing going on below 100 Hz and above 6k Hz. Basses can go lower than 100 Hz and if your onboard audio can't pick that up, then you really need to consider a better audio interface, especially since you are recording bass guitar. As for the higher frequencies, some engineers boost that a little bit just to add some presence to the instrument.

Mixcraft is a great DAW software, and it is inexpensive compared to the big boys. Makes for a great alternative to Reaper. Youtube encoding does change the frequencies a bit because of their compression algorithms. Some people make specific mixes for youtube alone just because of that quirk.

[zero44]

^ tested it again with input volume matching DAW's required input.. meron pala akong 50hz..!

yung bass frequency kasi nung hartke vxl afaik is 50hz, and it reacts when i'm increasing and decreasing my bass knob..

yup, totally agree regarding the high-end presence.. tinetest ko sya ngayon kung ano yung highest frequency ko.. as far as my progress is concern, hangang 10khz nagrereact yung highs ko..

on the other hand, feel ko medyo nag-add kasi ng hiss yung frequency ko above 6khz kapag binoboost.. although siguro sa gamit ko din na interface..

EDIT: btw, i'm using it with POD farm right now..

[KitC]

on the other hand, feel ko medyo nag-add kasi ng hiss yung frequency ko above 6khz kapag binoboost.. although siguro sa gamit ko din na interface..

Lots of factors why hiss becomes apparent, among them high gain and 'noisy' electronics. Most people just add a few dB of boost between 2k and 5k. Anything above that is 'air', especially for a bass.

[zero44]

thanks sir!

btw sir, yung latency ko po sabi dun sa software ko kasi 3ms, okay na po ba yun? kaso medyo bumababa yung quality ko, nagiging 44100hz 16bit from 99600hz 16bit..

nung nagtry kasi ako magrecord ng slap with 20ms latency parang unsync yung slap ko dun sa backing track na gamit ko.. then nung tinry ko pa babaan pa yung latency then nag boost mode ako ng pc.. medyo nag sync na sya..

[zero44]

^ btw regarding boosting 6khz and above..
yes, that's exactly what i'm experiencing.. it's not hiss/hum, its more of "air"

[KitC]

btw sir, yung latency ko po sabi dun sa software ko kasi 3ms, okay na po ba yun? kaso medyo bumababa yung quality ko, nagiging 44100hz 16bit from 99600hz 16bit..

Why record at 96kHz? That puts a big strain on your cpu. If you will be releasing your music at 44.1kHz, better to record at that sample rate. Less strain on your cpu, smaller file sizes, and no quantizing errors when changing sample rates. Technically, you will experience lower latencies at higher sample rates, but the strain on cpu utilization is tremendously greater compared to 44.1/48 kHz. Given a choice, I would rather record at 24-bit rather than 16-bit to take advantage of greater processing headroom. You recording at 16-bit may be a limitation of your gear at this time.

3ms is very good latency, but good luck adding fx esp. if you have a relatively weak cpu. Even I back down to 5ms during recording.

[zero44]

^ 16bit lang kasi yung kaya nung soundcard ko na medyo matino yung latency.. hehe ewan ko ba..

btw sir kit, tingin nyo okay po bang saksakan ng di box (hartke vxl) yung behringer ucg102? narinig ko kasi yung sound demo nya.. medyo low quality..

[KitC]

btw sir kit, tingin nyo okay po bang saksakan ng di box (hartke vxl) yung behringer ucg102? narinig ko kasi yung sound demo nya.. medyo low quality..

I'm not very fond of those low end Behringer interfaces... iffy drivers and questionable latency.

Better if you can afford a Line6 UX1 or UX2, or even a M-audio Fast Track. Solid drivers with good asio implementation.

[zero44]

i see, thanks! medyo sablay nga yung mga audio demo nya..

how about upgrade nalang ako ng internal soundcard ng pc ko to 32bit..? i saw one on tipidpc 150php lang naman.. 16bit lang pala talaga capacity ng hd input ko kaya pala 16bit lang yung input ko kapag nagrerecording..

[Xelly]

i see, thanks! medyo sablay nga yung mga audio demo nya..

how about upgrade nalang ako ng internal soundcard ng pc ko to 32bit..? i saw one on tipidpc 150php lang naman.. 16bit lang pala talaga capacity ng hd input ko kaya pala 16bit lang yung input ko kapag nagrerecording..

Wag bro. Go for UX1 gaya ng sabi ni sir Kit. Di ka magsisisi.

[zero44]

di pa afford e.. 

gusto ko din ng UX1 kaso ang mahal.. saka bass tracks lang naman nirerecord ko for covers..

[skin]

i see, thanks! medyo sablay nga yung mga audio demo nya..

how about upgrade nalang ako ng internal soundcard ng pc ko to 32bit..? i saw one on tipidpc 150php lang naman.. 16bit lang pala talaga capacity ng hd input ko kaya pala 16bit lang yung input ko kapag nagrerecording..

Matinding upgrade yan.  Anong soundcard yan?

[skin]

I'm not very fond of those low end Behringer interfaces... iffy drivers and questionable latency.

Better if you can afford a Line6 UX1 or UX2, or even a M-audio Fast Track. Solid drivers with good asio implementation.

I still use my UCA202.  Hehe.

[KitC]

I still use my UCA202.  Hehe.

As an input device, it shouldn't be a problem with those. I have a Terratec Phono Preamp with line inputs that also serve the same function, but I don't use it anymore since we moved house and my kuya got our Lenco turntable <sniff>.

As long as we don't expect low latency and realtime monitoring from these behri interfaces, they can be quite functional.

[krizanto86]

any fans of 80's & early 90's analog/vinyl/cassette tape feel/tone for recording?

just a noob question...

Im trying to achieve this tone even though the recording equipment nowadays are
modern. Will i get this tone using a 4 track tape recorder like this:

http://iphonenewbs.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/fostex_four_track.jpg

then transfer the tracks to a pc in a digital format?(so i could get a copy in a cassette tape & cd as well)

[KitC]

Well, you can go that route and try to track to tape, along with the resultant hiss, wow and flutter. Or you could just use the myriad of tape and tube simulators out there especially if you've got some recordings done digitally already. I admit it's no substitute for the real thing, but it also is difficult to get good analog gear nowadays. Between cassette and open reel tapes, open reel sounds much better to me unless you are using 'metal' tape cassettes. However, getting hold of open reel tapes and players can be a challenge today.

Remember, a great deal of recordings during the 80's were done on analog gear, and digital recording was just at its infancy then. Still, a lot of people pine for the sound of tubes and tapes but to get hold of the gear is very expensive. That's why people result to DSP to get the same feel. While it's not the same thing as true analog, your listeners won't know the difference in most cases.

[child309]

Sir kunware budget is not an issue.. Whats the best condenser mic for vocals na recommended?

[skin]

Sir kunware budget is not an issue.. Whats the best condenser mic for vocals na recommended?

Neumann U87.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/U87SetZ

[KitC]

Sir kunware budget is not an issue.. Whats the best condenser mic for vocals na recommended?

Money no object? Hmmm...

Manley Gold Reference mic and Sony C-800G condenser.

[skin]

Hahaha!!!

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C800G

[Xelly]

Hahaha!!!

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C800G

Makakabili ka na ng decent 2nd hand car sa presyo niyan!!!

[--randz--]

hi sir kitc. medyo matagal akong nawala sa thread na to..

ito na po yung new DAW set up ko.

i'm using now an avid recording studio..m-audio fast track including pro-tools le but i'm using cakewalk sonar since medyo kabisado ko na...yung monitor speakers na gamit ko as of now
is a pair of speaker from our old component (panasonic) then naka-hook lang sa fast track thru an ordinary amplifier (promac)...ask ko lang if advisable ba na gamitin ko to na pang-monitor or kailangan talagang makapag-purchase ako ng studio monitors...then.. do you recommend behringer c-3 condenser mic.. medyo cheap kasi... what mic brand ang pwede mong ma-recommend yung hindi naman mabigat sa bulsa.. Thanks and God bless.