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Offline bluebossa

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« on: August 12, 2006, 09:19:25 PM »
share ko lang nalaman ko tungkol sa artcore jazz guitars.

meron kasi akong artcore eh....dec 2005 ko siya kinuha,birthday gift ko para sa sarili ko kasi 18 na ko....syempre natuwa ako kasi sobrang affordable na jazz guitar eh.
tapos last2x week nagkaroon siya ng problema....nagulat na lang ako kasi napansin ko umaangat yung first fretwire niya....eh di sugod kagad ako sa tech ko.....si sir jon dela cruz(super to,dito kayo pacustom ng gitara).
nalaman ko sa kanya na parang tinipid ata yung mga artcore.....meron din kasi nagpapintura ng artcore sa kanya na kakilala ko din...nung tinatanggal niya na ung paint ng artcore para irepaint,nalaman niya na mataas na klase lang pala ng plywood yung ginamit sa gitara....siguro that explains why mura ang mga artcore series....


pero para sakin....o.k naman,kasi naayos naman yung problema....tsaka o.k naman yung tunog niya...yun lang.

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2006, 07:49:37 AM »
depende rin naman po siguro, ako i had bought my AS73 last two years pa and it had never gave me a problem.  :)
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2006, 01:28:10 PM »
depende nga siuro,pero kasi kapag nabasa mo yung manual na kasama kapag binili mo yung artcore....nakalagay dun,ganito yung kahoy ng neck,ng body etc. pero hindi naman pala.

pero saken o.k lang kahit ganon nga....affordable naman eh tsaka hindi naman ididictate ng type ng kahoy ang playing mo eh,mapaplywood man yan o mamahaling kahoy...... :)

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2006, 02:24:07 PM »
teka ano modelo nung sayo? bought as83, http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=AS83
pina check ko kay mang jun castro ang specs. tunay na 3 piece neck, mahogany maple mahogany. rose ang board. ang body , at maple ang body... ang top sycamore daw. part ng maple family , na ginagamit sa mga violin noong araw. makikita naman sa grain yan e.  at pag may nakita kang plywood na ganyan yung grain, tip mo ko , bibili ako marami.   onga pala, hindi tinipid ang wood, kaya mura sha kase mismo sa china nanggagaling yung mga wood, sarili nilang tanim :D  hindi nila kelangan mag import.  relatively new nga lang ang wood.. compared sa mga gibsons na "aged" or talagang antique.

ang down lang nya so far don sa as83 ko, tuning machines. not bad pero shempre iba padin ang grover upgrade. tapos yung punyetang kidlat na logo na tatakpan ko ng buddha. tpos yung mukhang pekeng abalone na inlays. at yung bulok na pickups na madali naman palitan =D lahat ng downside nya madali palitan.. ang mahirap kase kung mismong yung wood ang sablay.. measurements.. o kaya na warp na yun wood sa init.. sensitive kase ang mga jazzbox sa temperature , humidity etc.

onga pala depende din pala sa model.. may top of the line na artcore at may entry level.. obviously, alam mo kung ano ang consequences nila. cguro pag kinuha mo yung mga natural model nila e . g.  http://www.ibanez.com/guitars/guitar.asp?model=AF105 you wont go wrong.

binili ko pala to sa kay yeyeh dto sa forum. and it also helps na nung binbili nya to sa audiophile, nagpalabas sya ng tatlong (lima?) AS83 at pinag pilian nya pa yun..


at para sa fretwire problem mo.. dalin mo sa tunay na luthier.

gudlak! :D

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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2006, 03:20:48 PM »
naayos na nga po fretwire eh....totoong luthier?bakit hindi po ba tunay na luthier yung pinagpagawaan ko? :( hehe.....siya yung nagcucustom ng bass ni bong gonzales ngayon.....

sino po ba magaling na luthier?kanino po kayo nagpapagawa?kay mang jun?subukan ko din po sa iba kapag nagkaroon ako uli ng problema... :D


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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2006, 04:20:54 PM »
daming luthier jan bro, you can try Jun Castro of Roadtone Guitars www.roadtone.tk, Arie Hipolito of Guitar Hospital www.guitarhospital.net and si Sir Mahineman (kaforumate natin..). hanapin mo na lang or PM mo cya. hope that it helps.  :)
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2006, 07:13:32 PM »
sige po try ko din sa kanila kapag ngpagawa or magpapaupgrade ako ng pickups.... :D salamat

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2006, 09:42:24 PM »
sir saan kya meron mlapit dito QC n ngaayos ng intonation for Jazzguitar>>>meron me kasing 'dean-stylist' n model, nag a-out of tune at pangit n yung action>>>tnx

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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2006, 10:44:41 PM »
alam ko sir jazhombie si sir Mahineman, tiga qc. pm mo na lang siya. :)
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2006, 12:17:33 PM »
I also have an AS83, one year na, no problem pa naman.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2006, 07:12:38 PM »
Quote from: jazhombie
sir saan kya meron mlapit dito QC n ngaayos ng intonation for Jazzguitar>>>meron me kasing 'dean-stylist' n model, nag a-out of tune at pangit n yung action>>>tnx


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I also have an AS83, one year na, no problem pa naman.


yun akin kase, nilaru laru nung unang  may ari e...(YEYEH!) kaya kelangan ko pa setup yun neck uli. buti na lang 3 piece yun neck at dead straight pa din pag walang tension. jun castro humawak ng as83 ko, plays like a low action lespaul ngayon.

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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2006, 02:31:28 PM »
Hmmmmm.... as far as I've read, even Gibson 335's bodies are made of "laminates"....

mahavishnu,

if you're unhappy with your guitar's abalone inlays, I will gladly swap my AS73 for it!  :wink: (puwera lang pickups n push-pull pot)

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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2006, 09:08:57 PM »
sir jaime! kasma yung SD antiquity pati ung hardcase?! HAHA!

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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2006, 08:03:14 PM »
bluebossa tropa ni lester yun c jon ask mo sa knya credibility nun..true luthier?hehe

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2006, 09:50:05 PM »
sir edmund tropa ko rin si kuya lester :D

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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2006, 10:01:27 PM »
had an af75. didn't have any problems with it. had it for like 4 months. i sold it din to buy an epi sg. :)

i loved the jazz tone on the af75 very warm. nakakapeke na akala mo high end for its price.

...that is, if u used a decent amp with it, of course.

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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2006, 03:07:16 AM »
Mga sir,at some point totoo ang sinabi ni bluebossa about sa artcore.I love Ibanez guitars(even have the book"Ibanez the untold story")but the thing is,I`ve seen it myself na medyo madaya ang chinese made ksi akin ung gitara na denedescribe ni bluebossa.Finally I can say na if you plan to buy an Artcore and you have enough money to buy a japanese or korean made i suggest you go for it.Pero kng medyo gipit sa budget,chinese made artcores are tolerable.In fact ok din sya tumunog.Ung artcore ko chinese made,totally upgraded nga lng un in every way possible and I`m selling it coz I need money to fund my dream guitar being made by my friend(a luthier that I can say 1 of the best in the country today in my opinion).Kng mabbenta ko,wel and good,if not I`d kip and use nlng besides now it`s totally pimped out and it sounds great anyway.Tnx Bluebossa and Edmund. :lol:
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2006, 03:36:10 AM »
Sir mahavishnu,alam po nmin ung grains na sinasabi mo in fact inaral din nmin yan sa skul at ung pingppagawaan nmin na luthier tunay na luthier un at Proffesional luthier tools ang gamit nya from Stewmac USA.Ang piont ksi na snasabi ni bluebossa ay hindi solid na maple,spruce or sycamore ang ngamit sa mga chinese artcores.Ung sinasabi mo na sariling tanim ng mga chinese ung mga wood na gnamit,tingin ko hindi nila tanim ang mga maple.Ksi sa canada or U.S. tinatanim at nanggaling ang mga maple.Pati ung mga wood ng gnagawang guitar ko this days ay galing U.S.In fact if you check ang mga specs ng mga artcore,it doesn`t specify na solid maple,spruce or sycamore ang gnamit. :lol:
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2006, 09:20:54 PM »
my apologies, hindi ko nakita yung SOLID na mention ni bluebossa. anyway, so ano ibig sabihin kung hindi sya SOLID? SOLID ba as in SOLID BODY na gtr? kase alam ko semi hollow to.. OR.. SOLID as in yung tigas nung wood.. hindi ko kase gets.

thanks

this picture taken from my 2005 catalog, orange arrows points to specs

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2006, 09:48:00 PM »
sir mahavishnu,ulitin ko po ulit :D

kasi si sir bluejem/lester,nagparepaint siya ng artcore(FULL Hollow) niya na made in china sa tech namen na si sir jon dela cruz....nung tinatanggal  na yung stock na paint dun sa gitara,nalaman niya na yung kahoy hindi ganun kaganda(plywood nga lang daw) hindi tulad ng nakalagay sa manual or catalog,alam to ng tech namin yung tungkol sa wood kasi nagcucustom siya ng gitara at basses,nagoorder siya ng kahoy sa states. ....yung wood grains na nakikita dun sa gitara eh fake nga kasi manipis lang na paint yun...kung baga pinagmukhang wood grains pero hindi naman talaga....
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PERO sa mga made in CHINA lang na artcore eto nakita at hindi sa mga korean at japanese made


yun lang po sir :D

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« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2006, 11:05:57 PM »
so sa makatwid (tama ba term hehe?) hindi nila sinusunod ang mga nasabing specs? at nanloloko lang ang ibanez? kase pde silangmaksauhan ng false advertisement. kase kung totoo to eh mag shooshoot na ako ng email ngayon din sa kanila. please confirm.

china na artcore? diba china lahat yun? ang artstar alam ko korea

tapos paging bluejem, regarding SOLID..paki explain thanks man

kelangan ko din malaman to  :D  lots to learn from you guys

thanks!

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2006, 09:11:42 AM »
sana nakuhanan ng pic noong stripped bare na ung wood. for all to see and appreciate... just wishing... :)

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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2006, 10:27:46 AM »
sir jaime, i have pictures later, i'll try to post this afternoon, not the stripped wood though, yung loob sa may f hole.

teka, bat stripped yan!  :D  ano plano jan? pag gagawing cherry yan, papatira ko nadin yung akin! lol

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« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2006, 02:35:57 PM »
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my apologies, hindi ko nakita yung SOLID na mention ni bluebossa. anyway, so ano ibig sabihin kung hindi sya SOLID? SOLID ba as in SOLID BODY na gtr? kase alam ko semi hollow to.. OR.. SOLID as in yung tigas nung wood.. hindi ko kase gets.

thanks

this picture taken from my 2005 catalog, orange arrows points to specs
I'm a bassist po pero makikisali lang. Solid as in hindi ply or meaning isang piece lang sya ng kahoy na tinabas ng manipis.  :wink:
If it is art it is not for all. If it is for all it is not art. -SchoenbergQuestion: How do you make a million dollars playing jazz?Answer: Start with two million