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Offline dequi09

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« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2006, 10:24:54 PM »
Makikisali ulit ako ha, medyo naguluhan lang ako sa sinabi ng JB.. Pareng Vino, sa Electronics ang Power (P) ay inversely proportional sa Impedance (Z), LOW IMPEDANCE-HIGH POWER, HIGH IMPEDANCE-LOW POWER. Halimbawa, ang rating ng amp mo is 200 watts stereo at 4 ohms, ibig sabihin pag mataas ang impedance ng Speaker mo, mababa ang power handling nya. Pansinin nyo mga rating ng mga speakers, pag subwoofer, kadalasan 4 ohms, bakit? para more power ang MA-HANDLE NYA, ganun din ang mga tweeter, usually 16 ohms naman, para less power..  Ngayon kung 200 watts stereo at 4 ohms ang mixer amp mo, dapat at least 100 watts at 8 ohms ang speaker mo.. wag ka ng lalagpas dun (refer to JBL report). Kung wharfedale ang gagamitin mo with that specs, ABSOLUTELY di sya match. Kung ang application mo lang ay band rehearsal, I suggest yung samick mo ay concentrated sa vocals kung meron kang mga instrument amps, para sa kin, hindi praktikal na i-mic mo pa mga instruments (puera siguro ang akustik, hehe) sa akin lang yun ha.. tAMA BA AKO tARKUZ?
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Offline Tarkuz Toccata

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« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2006, 11:52:33 AM »
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Kung wharfedale ang gagamitin mo with that specs, ABSOLUTELY di sya match. Kung ang application mo lang ay band rehearsal, I suggest yung samick mo ay concentrated sa vocals kung meron kang mga instrument amps, para sa kin, hindi praktikal na i-mic mo pa mga instruments (puera siguro ang akustik, hehe) sa akin lang yun ha.. tAMA BA AKO tARKUZ?

Tama! Maganda din ang suggestion mo na puro vox lang ang naka mic. Nag aalala din pala ako, baka magsaksak ng CD player at magpatugtog ng music na may bumabayong bass. huwag sana gawin yan kung 250watts na Wharfedale ang gagamitin na speaker.
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Offline vinokulafu

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« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2006, 01:40:07 PM »
San ba may mga tindang ok na speakers na magmamatch sa mixer amp ko?
sa raon kc yan lan talaga ung nakita kong ok e,
meron din dun lexus pero mga 280 watts ata un

yung wharfdale ibig sabihin hindi ko gaanong mailalakas para umabante sa bandreheasal studio?
 ang dimension nga pala mga 6metersx4m tapos mga 9 ft ang taas?
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« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2006, 03:56:21 PM »
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ung nbanggit mong peavey malaki ba un
ang enough ba ung ibubugang soung nun para sa band rehearsal
 gaano kalaki pala speaker nu?

ano sukat ng kuwarto: length x width x height?

match ang 100watts 8ohms PA speaker para sa mixer amp mo. marami yan sa raon.

ang maximum sound level pag full power ang dalawang peavey 110DL + samick 200W mixer amp ay 116 decibels @ 1 meter distance on-axis from the speaker.

sa loob ng saradong kwartong 6m x 4m x 9' na may reverberation time na 0.5 seconds (kalahating segundo), kayang-kaya ng peavey + samick sound system magbuga ng 100 decibels.

ngayon, sa tanong na kung aangat (o makakaabante?) ang boses laban sa mga guitar amp, bass amp, at drums. kayang-kaya yan ng sound system kung may disiplina ang mga instrumentalists na palitawin ang boses at huwag sapawan ang kumakanta.
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« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2006, 04:57:56 PM »
Kaya sana wag mo na ipasok ang mga instruments mo sa mixer amp mo, sa totoo lang magiging garbled ang tunog nyan to the point na di mo na maintindihan.. Gawin mo lang yun kung may separate mixer and amp ka. Saka maliit lang ang space kaya di na din praktikal na i-mic pa yung iba..  Ang dami na natin natutunan kay Tarkuz, Maraming Salamat po!
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« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2006, 10:11:06 AM »
salamat sa mga info!
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« Reply #81 on: September 01, 2006, 01:49:43 PM »
san pwede makita ung Peavey 110DL? sa audiophile cubao meron ba nito?
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Offline Tarkuz Toccata

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« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2006, 02:01:20 PM »
discontinued na ang peavey 110DL pero may isang pares pa (brand new na lumang stock) sa bodega. paki tawagan mo nalang tel. 911-1345, 913-4242, o 912-0922 para i-order nila. sa lunes o martes na siguro pwedeng makita...
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« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2006, 06:55:45 PM »
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Please note that the Samson DB500A active loudspeaker offers customers much better features for a great price. Here are some key points:
    The SRM450 is a 450W cabinet
--->The DB500A gives you 500W!
 
The SRM450 has a 12" woofer. But it looks like a 15" woofer!
--->The DB500A has a custom designed 15" woofer
 
The SRM450 has a sliding filter. It cuts the low frequencies at high volumes. So it sounds worse when you turn it up!
--->The DB500A uses exclusive Optimax signal processing circuitry. It won't cut the low frequencies when you turn it up.
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« Reply #84 on: September 08, 2006, 11:28:50 AM »
how much? per pc ba o pair?
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« Reply #85 on: September 08, 2006, 11:45:39 AM »
Mackie SRM450 - P55,800
Samson DB500A - P30,470
per piece.
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« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2006, 11:50:57 PM »
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yung peavey na nabanggit nyo diba 75watts 4ohms=150watts
makaabante kaya ito sa pang band rehearsal set-up?

ung guitar amp ko isang 100watts saka isang 75 watts
ung bass amp nman mga 100watts din
and siyempre may drum set


Hmmm.. Natotodo nyo ba yung maximum volume nyo sa studio? I think sobra lakas na nga ng 100 watts na amp para sa studio eh. I use a 100 watts guitar amp sa rehearsals and yung volume ko nasa 6 pa lang masakit na sa tenga. ..... and I play Metal.  :D
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« Reply #87 on: October 23, 2006, 11:56:57 PM »
If I may recomend our speaker, B3 (Beta 3).  B3 has an extensive line of powered and passive speakers and there would be one for your needs.  have a listen t our outlet THE MUSIC SOURCE along EDSA.  the addres it 1021 EDSA, southbound side, generally between Munoz and SM City

In general, more people like the sound of the U-Series because of its rich fat sound but if you want more bite, its the TS series that would be for you.




TS200     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 12" Steel woofer (3" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.5" V.C.)/ 200w RMS    7,800.00

TS260     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 15"  Steel woofer (3" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.5" V.C.)/ 250w RMS    10,400.00

TS300     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 12" Aluminum Die-cast Aluminum woofer (3" V.C..)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.5" V.C..)/ 300w RMS    11,400.00

TS360     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 15" Aluminum Die-cast Aluminum woofer (3" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.7" V.C.)/ 350w RMS    14,400.00

U6     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 6" Aluminum Die-cast woofer (2" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Mylar Diaphragm (1" V.C.)/ 80w RMS    4,200.00

U8     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 8" Aluminum Die-cast woofer (2" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.5" V.C.)/ 100w RMS    6,200.00

U10     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 10" Aluminum Die-cast woofer (2" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.5" V.C.)/ 250w RMS    9,400.00

U12     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 12" Aluminum Die-cast Aluminum woofer (3" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.5" V.C.)/ 300w RMS    11,500.00

U15     Trapezoidal Enclosure/ 15" Aluminum Die-cast Aluminum woofer (3" V.C.)  + 1" Comp. Driver with Titanium Diaphragm (1.7" V.C.)/ 350w RMS    14,500.00
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Re: SPL or Wharfdale Pro
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2009, 03:02:46 AM »
Wow ang dami kong natutunan dito. Magpapatulong po ako sa inyo. Nabaha kasi kame last Sept. ni bagyong Ondoy at nasira yung gamit namin sa simbahan. Ngayon may nagmagandang loob at tumulong sa amin lumikom ng pera pang bili ng sound system ng simbahan. So may nalikom na nga at may kinuhang tao ng "prof" daw sa sound system to check the place at maghanap ng pedeng magamit sa murang halaga. Ang kinuha niya na mixer ay R-2004 ng Wharfedale Pro at apat ng SVP-10 (ata, hindi ko sure i check ko ulet) Naglagay siya ng 6 na microphones. So ayun na nga at na setup na niya. Ang nakakaduda eh ayaw niya ipagalaw ang mixer, as in baguhin ang setting ng volume and stuff. Kelangan daw ipaalam sa kanya at kung ililipat daw eh ipaalam din at HINDI NA PEDE MAGLAGAY NG MICROPHONES. Eh kulang kasi yung mic na 6 lang so kailangan pa namin. Match po ba yung speakers sa mixer niya? hindi ko kasi maintindihan yung spec ng mixer eh. Patulong naman po kasi baka niloloko kame nitong taong ito eh... Salamat po.
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« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2009, 04:54:50 AM »
naku antagal na pala ng last post dito. Sana may makasagot pa sa akin....  :-(
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« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2009, 01:05:44 PM »
Up to 8 mic inputs ang R2004 at di naman siya powered mixer so there shouldn't be any problem of compatibility with the speakers (which I assume are powered/active).

My guess is umiiwas lang sya sa feedback.
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« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2009, 05:57:41 PM »
Correction...the SRM-450 is P49,995 :)

when deciding on speakers, other than spec sheets, insist on listening to them at the store where you plan to get them...and bring a CD that you are most familiar with to evaluate fairly.

then use a mic to see which speaker among your list sounds better with vocals.

its not all about watts!!!   that's just about the amp..you have to listen to it as a product.
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« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2009, 11:12:38 PM »
sir sa powered 15's speaker ano mas ok overall pang rentals:

1. SPL
2. B3 (what series?)
3. GRF
4. EVO
5. other brands?

thank you
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Offline djrivers

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« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2009, 02:01:14 AM »
@KitC & forerunnermusic

            Salamat po sa reply. So meaning ok lang kahit anong speaker ang ilagay niya? hindi po siya powered speaker. Tapos baket kaya hindi na daw pedeng dagdagan ng mic eh 8 yung input nun. 6 pa lang yung nakalagay. Kulang kasi kame sa mic eh.

             Isa pa po, sa ganung setup, R-2004 ng Wharfedale Pro na mixer, 4 na SVP-10, 6 dynamic mic nd DM2.0 at dalawang maliit na daichi na speaker for monitor, aabot po ba yun ng 75,000 pesos? Ganun daw po kasi inaabot lahat lahat.
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« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2009, 07:19:51 AM »
Quote from: djrivers on December 06, 2009, 02:01:14 AM
@KitC & forerunnermusic

            Salamat po sa reply. So meaning ok lang kahit anong speaker ang ilagay niya? hindi po siya powered speaker.


well, yes.  depende na yan sa capacity ng amp mo


Quote from: djrivers on December 06, 2009, 02:01:14 AM
@KitC & forerunnermusic

         Tapos baket kaya hindi na daw pedeng dagdagan ng mic eh 8 yung input nun. 6 pa lang yung nakalagay. Kulang kasi kame sa mic eh.


we have heard situations like these from other customers.  Our assumption is the installers just do not want to be put in a situation where the equipment will be mis-used or abused by just anyone and that would lead to problems and if that happens, then they'd have to go back and fix it.  It may be an old school approach like idaan mo sa takot keysa turuan mo gumamit.


Quote from: djrivers on December 06, 2009, 02:01:14 AM
@KitC & forerunnermusic

             Isa pa po, sa ganung setup, R-2004 ng Wharfedale Pro na mixer, 4 na SVP-10, 6 dynamic mic nd DM2.0 at dalawang maliit na daichi na speaker for monitor, aabot po ba yun ng 75,000 pesos? Ganun daw po kasi inaabot lahat lahat.


Best you do your own checking, ask around the shops about their prices.


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« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2009, 08:51:18 AM »
@forerunnermusic

thanks for the reply po. Sabi pa nga ung nagkabit eh 1 year daw ang warranty pero 4 times lang daw nila titignan kapag nagloko. Tapos nilagyan niya ng masking tape yung mga knobs ng mixer at nung amp, wag daw galawin. After a year pede na tanggalin yung tape at iadjust. (tapos na yung warranty nun so kung may mangyari man hindi na nila sagot...)

Sige po magtingin tingin na lang ako nung price nung mga ginamit niya....
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« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2009, 10:05:54 AM »
Quote from: djrivers on December 06, 2009, 08:51:18 AM
Sabi pa nga ung nagkabit eh 1 year daw ang warranty pero 4 times lang daw nila titignan kapag nagloko.

 :?

4 times lang? That's just plain absurd. Who is this installer? I'd like to give him a piece of my mind.
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« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2009, 10:45:08 AM »
Oo nga po. nakakapagduda at nakakainis. Professional sound tech daw po siya na kinuha nung nagdonate nung pera para sa sound system. Tapos pede lang galawin ang mixer at yung setup niya kapag after a year so meaning tapos na yung warranty. Hay naku....
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« Reply #98 on: December 07, 2009, 12:34:42 AM »
Quote from: djrivers on December 06, 2009, 08:51:18 AM
@forerunnermusic

thanks for the reply po. Sabi pa nga ung nagkabit eh 1 year daw ang warranty pero 4 times lang daw nila titignan kapag nagloko. Tapos nilagyan niya ng masking tape yung mga knobs ng mixer at nung amp, wag daw galawin. After a year pede na tanggalin yung tape at iadjust. (tapos na yung warranty nun so kung may mangyari man hindi na nila sagot...)

Sige po magtingin tingin na lang ako nung price nung mga ginamit niya....
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« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2010, 07:23:22 AM »
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