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Offline sandythedrummer

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Here are the big cats i know

Dave Weckl left for Sabian
Neil Peart left for Sabian
JR Robinson left for  Paiste
Tony Royster Jr. left for Sabian
Cindy Blackman left for Istanbul Agop
Jeff Hamilton left for Bosphorus
Horacio El Negro left for Istanbul Mehmet
Vinnie Colaiuta left for Paiste

sino paba na miss ko?

Why is this happening? Lack of marketing skills? products are never been the same since Armand died? Cragie and Debbie are bad successors?

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Offline pejadanza

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 04:56:12 PM »
woot! pati si horacio el negro? ngayon ko lang nalaman!! hehe!

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 07:28:00 PM »
i think yung human element ng paggawa ng cymbals e nawala na sa ibang lines ng zildjian..
zildjian lang ang gumagamit ng computer machines to do the cymbals pero yung iba meron
naman computer din pero mostly human element pa din.. computer doesn't have human ears
to know what sounds good or not
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Offline jake z

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 08:42:44 PM »
IMO - Parang wala ng innovation sa sound ng Zildjian, since for sabian and other cymbals the innovation is still active. And their artists series are also active.

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 09:26:33 PM »
may nakalimutan ka ata ser sandy..

sandy baliong left for istanbul mehmet..

hehehe
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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 10:20:14 PM »
may nakalimutan ka ata ser sandy..

sandy baliong left for istanbul mehmet..

hehehe

Hahaha Big tummy lang ako hindi big artist!!
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Offline godisjudge

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 06:43:33 PM »
As I can remember Dave Weckl left for sabian long time ago. Plus they gave him signature hhx evolution series.  Z's lines is very stable and they dwell too much in it, less new lines and signature series may be 1 of the reason i see.
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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 12:06:34 PM »
As I can remember Dave Weckl left for sabian long time ago. Plus they gave him signature hhx evolution series.  Z's lines is very stable and they dwell too much in it, less new lines and signature series may be 1 of the reason i see.

If you noticed Zildjian always say "DEVELOPED WITH" is a big phrase. They don't want drummers to see that the artist did the design. Sila(Zildjian) parin dapat ang genius(at bida) hindi yung artist kaya the seemingly "signature" lines nila will always be part of the existing models.

It's a good strategy since Vinnie Colaiuta help design the A Customs tapos ngayon nasa Paiste na sya. Imaginin na lang naten kung VC Custom tinawag nila sa A custom edi abolish lahat ng models.

Isa pa when they did Cindy Blackman's "Signature" ride. The 22 Dark medium Ride, when Cindy left for Istanbul Agop eh pinasalo na lang nila yung ride as Aaron Spear's Ride. Wala pang 2 years ginawa yung ride umalis na agad yung artist. Hassle diba?? Yun siguro reason nila kaya they don't put the Artist's name sa Cymbal.
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Offline Christian_123

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2012, 05:32:21 PM »
I guess dahil nagiging stale na yun Zildjian brand.

Wala na silang innovations sa line nila at halos parang 'mass produced' at nabubura na yun 'human element' sa mga products nila. While Sabian, Istanbul mehmet/agop, meinl at iba pa ay buhay parin yun pang innovate at nandun pa un 'human element' na hinahanap nila..

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2012, 12:13:01 PM »
well ako kasi nag sawa na sa tunog ng Zildjians. Hindi nako excited sa mga new releases nila and hindi na appealing yung artist roster nila. Feeling ko lang.
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Offline chutchutmamiko

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2012, 02:18:00 PM »
Didn't make Zildjians like they used to.  :cry: My drummer's 1970's something Avedis hi-hats are awesome :drool: compare to those made today.. :cry:
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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2012, 10:17:47 AM »
@Sir Sandy: It's been a while. Good point on the A customs. Sana lang wag naman umalis si Akira Jimbo. IMHO the Hybrid series is a good add to the K custom family.
Same to me also, New releases didn't seem so appealing. And right now I'm really itching to switch back to Sabians.
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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 09:32:01 PM »
baka naman dumami lang talaga ang brands out there at gustong masubukan ng mga beterans ang iba. dati kase konti lang mapapag pili-an. ngayon nadadagdagan na at medyo lumalapet sa ang quality sa zildjian or minsan mas ok pa.
pumikit ka na lang nang hindi mo maramdaman...

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 03:25:47 AM »
what about the Gen 16 E-cymbal line? this is an innovation

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Re: Seems like big people are leaving Zildjian. What's happenning?
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 07:13:13 PM »
what about the Gen 16 E-cymbal line? this is an innovation

Yeah innovation nga but no one wants to buy a $1000 cymbal triggers. Nice try though for them.
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