Ziphra

[ken minneman]

I just want to ask this. A question popped up in mind and if may kailangan akong irefine sa Technique ko I'd like to do so..

May tamang paraan ba ng Ziphra (if mispelled please correct me) o kanya kanya lang talaga..? I got a word from a friend (Conservatory of Music Major in Percussion Kaya mejo Reliable).. First daw kapain is Bass pattern and then Snare and then Hi- Hats.. and then saka na yung iba..

Just wondering if there really is a system for this.. May alam ba kayo or pano niyo ba ginagawa? Kung ano lang matripan..??

Usually kasi pag kumakapa ako eh di ko nakukuha naman 100%, talagang may halong sariling palo (Which I think is natural..)

Thoughts?? 

[musicianurse28]

Bro, ano pangalan ng friend mo sa UST Percussion? Dun din ako galing baka kilala ko rin mga friends mo dun.. 

IMHO lang naman bro, palagay ko best explanation na dito sa tanong mo is yung kay "Chris Coleman ABC Method". Kanya kanyang strategy ng pag cifra naman yan eh. Yung ABC Method naman ni Chris Coleman, in general yun kung pano ang tamang pag ensayo..

[arien_drummer]

Pag ako nagaaral ng kanta, una kong gagawin is papakinggan ko yung buong kanta. Hindi ko papaluan. Mga dalawa or tatlong beses kong gagawin to tapos i-chochopchop ko yung kanta into parts. Like intro... tas verse... tas chorus... dapat bago ako mag move-on ng part, dapat kuha ko na yung mga bagsakan (kung meron man) tsaka yung feel nung tugtog dapat ramdam ko na sa sistema ko. Sama mo na rin yung transition from part to part dapat rin magagawa ko ng malinis lalo na kung ibang klase pa yung bilang.

With regards to sticking with the original or adding your own stuff, mag lalagay kang sarili mong palo, Para saken, tugtugin mo muna ng malinis as is. tas pag super komportable ka na, tsaka ka magdagdag ng sarili mong stuff. Para saken din, hindi applicable to sa mga fill kasi bawat drummer, iba iba ng fill. Pero kung super iconic ng tunog ng fill na to sa kanta, dapat gawin... magandang example yung fill sa intro ng "smells like teen spirit" ng nirvana or yung fill papasok ng verse sa "I'm not OK" ng MCR.

Ganyan ako magaral ng kanta. It's very important not too much away from a cover song kasi you ought to show respect to the one who wrote the drum parts unless you want to change the whole song altogether... Ibang bagay naman yun... Parang yung mga rock covers ngayon... Pero kung icocover niyo as is, dikitan mo lang yung parts na ginawa nung drummer. Happy drumming  

[yekoz]

Disect the song into Bar: Intro, Stanza/Verse, Refrain, Chorus... etc...

[ken minneman]

Bro, ano pangalan ng friend mo sa UST Percussion? Dun din ako galing baka kilala ko rin mga friends mo dun.. 

IMHO lang naman bro, palagay ko best explanation na dito sa tanong mo is yung kay "Chris Coleman ABC Method". Kanya kanyang strategy ng pag cifra naman yan eh. Yung ABC Method naman ni Chris Coleman, in general yun kung pano ang tamang pag ensayo..

Hindi siya UST percussion Bro.. Sa CEU Conservatory of Music sa Mendiola.. 

[ken minneman]

IMHO lang naman bro, palagay ko best explanation na dito sa tanong mo is yung kay "Chris Coleman ABC Method". Kanya kanyang strategy ng pag cifra naman yan eh. Yung ABC Method naman ni Chris Coleman, in general yun kung pano ang tamang pag ensayo..

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He actually explained this in his Dynamic Drumming 3 video pre.. Could you like give us a quick explanation about the ABC method tsaka sa Application niya sa Pag Ziphra (or whatever purpose it might serve..) ? (baka kasi di ko maexplain ng maayos.. hehe.. Thanks!) 

[jobo_ph]

Disect the song into Bar: Intro, Stanza/Verse, Refrain, Chorus... etc...

This.

First daw kapain is Bass pattern and then Snare and then Hi- Hats.. and then saka na yung iba..

This.


And...

* I always count - Many songs, the bass drum beat falls on 1 & 3, snare falls on 2 & 4. Understanding note values is very important.

* I prefer high bit-rate music files and use Audacity to listen to the song. I can select sections, cycle play, and even slow down the speed, if needed (nagiging ngo-ngo nga lang, hehe).

* I prefer to be as faithful and as close as possible to the song I'd like to cover.

* I use Guitar Pro to transcribe the song, print then paste on a folder, label, and practice with it. It is difficult to memorize variances a drummer puts into the song even if overall, the beat is the same and a hard copy reference will always help. Difficult parts, I practice slow with counting and build up to the correct tempo as I get more comfortable.

* I like transcribing drum parts of songs. It can be a bit hard at times but it helps train my ears to hear the details and is a good exercise in notation and reading.

Thanks musiciannurse28, I'll read on Chris Coleman ABC method when I can.

Parang ang sosyal i-pronounce ng ziphra, hehe. Di ko din alam tamang spelling nito. "Sipra" ginagamit ko kapag sinasalita pero kapag ita-type ko na, "transcribe" na lang ang gagamitin ko 

[blindedfox]

I used to just listen to the song a couple of times then saka ko sisiprahin un palo.

Everything work fine for me.

Until I tried to learn Rossana. 

[tipsyboy]

There you have it. There isn't one right way to learn a song, as long as you learn it. It's like learning how to fry a scrambled egg.
And it's Rosanna, not Rossana.