Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: chito_eoi on June 05, 2007, 11:55:46 PM
ganda boss tolits!!!
pa test drive naman pag nakadaan ulit ako sa lugar mo :)
RAKENROLL~!!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 06, 2007, 03:55:29 AM
Scott Lerner has the B1....botik.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 06, 2007, 06:15:23 AM
Sa kaibigan ko ito ... di sa akin... Maganda lang i-post ang pictures.
Sabi ng dalawa kong kaibigan ang workmanship ay polido pero hindi naman out of this world PERO ang tone at character ng gitara walang katumbas sa buong buhay nila na naggigitara. Ang isang kaibigan ko ay nawalan ng gana sa Strat at Tele niya. Tonally sabi noong isa, it has to be heard raw to be believed at wala raw lalaban na Fender USA Custom Shop, o Gibson Custom Shop o high-end na PRS USA sa gitara na ito. Pero opinyon lang nila iyon...
Sabi ng matalik kong kaibigan, medyo mahirap abutin raw ang gawa ni Gene dahil ang binabayaran ay ang kanyang experience at exposure sa gitara at abilidad pumili ng kahoy at patunugin na parang kumakanta na instrumento -- na mananatiling sekreto hindi rin niya magawa ngayon.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 06, 2007, 06:25:17 AM
Sa kaibigan ko ito ... di sa akin... Maganda lang i-post ang pictures.
Sabi ng dalawa kong kaibigan ang workmanship ay polido pero hindi naman out of this world PERO ang tone at character ng gitara walang katumbas sa buong buhay nila na naggigitara. Ang isang kaibigan ko ay nawalan ng gana sa Strat at Tele niya. Tonally sabi noong isa, it has to be heard raw to be believed at wala raw lalaban na Fender USA Custom Shop, o Gibson Custom Shop o high-end na PRS USA sa gitara na ito. Pero opinyon lang nila iyon...
...you cannot really compare guitars from other guitars unless it's the same type..like a strat and a strat copy. It's like comparing pliers to a hammer....different tools for different application. A strat will never sound like an LP or a semi hollow. A Baker is just another different guitar.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 06, 2007, 06:57:31 AM
According to my friend, this B3 makes you forget what type of guitar you are playing because it just connects to you. It does things on its own without you ever having to struggle to think about what to do. It makes you forget what type of guitar you are playing because it sounds so good. Sabi niya iyon ...
Itong unang tanong ng kaibigan ko kina Gene and Cliff via email in verbatim:
Just to clarify what I am looking for in a guitar:
1) Rich sounding notes with overtones that reinforce the fundamental -- a > > three dimensional soundstage whether in clean or overdriven mode. > > 2) Pick attack defined versus the sustaining note. > > 3) When a string is bent, the note for a time drops in volume but suddenly > > increases in volume at the top of the bend. Even louder than the initial > > pick attack volume. The bent note at the top of the bend is punchy and > > powerful not flat or weak. > > 4) Chordal volume does not drown the guitar when you suddenly switch to a > > lick or riff. > > 5) When you constantly bend and release a note, the guitar weeps and wails > > as if there was a subtle wah-wah effect. > > 6) Balanced volume across all strings. > > 7) So soft to play even with heavy gauges as if you were playing one gauge > > lighter. The guitar reacts to every playing nuance. It can be subtle and > > mean when you want it to depending on your technique. > > 8) Can punch thru a band with a bass player, another rhythm guitar player > > and a keyboard player without having to compete on an amp volume basis. > > 9) Notes on the upper frets do not sound thin and choked. > > 10) Most importantly, the guitar magically surprises you everytime you > > play because it produces different sounds e.g. squeals, picking nuances, > > etc. I do hope # 55 can meet these qualifications.
SAGOT NI CLIFF:It will do all those chores quite easily. It's designed and built for those tasks. I will send more pics as I receive them.
Ito pa ang isang tanong ng kaibigan ko on comparisons:
Was Gene able to characterize the sound of #55? What is its unique characteristics compared to the other Fire models?
SAGOT NI CLIFF:This Fire will have a sweeter more focused neck pickup as opposed to a darker and more compressed sound that some Les Pauls are known to get.. This will have the same attack and growl that the bridge pickups are noted for but will have the more desirable and less compressed sound when you move to the neck pickup. This is particularly helpful if you set your amp to scream on the bridge pickup so when you move to the neck you won't get a sound that is too dark and muddy.
That is why both jazz and metal players alike favor this guitar. My business is based on the quality of the tone of the instruments and not the looks so no need to worry.
Sabi ng dalawa after testing the guitar for 4 hours on a guitar amp with JAM Trax thru a PA, totoo lahat ng claims nila Cliff specially the EASILY statement.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 06, 2007, 08:10:06 AM
...... I wouldn't be surprised. Bakers are really good guitars plus the price of those guitars don't depreciate. It would be a really good player's and collector's guitar.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: extreme16199 on June 06, 2007, 08:11:31 AM
very nice! i think i know who owns this guitar. congrats to him!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Boosted on June 06, 2007, 08:49:50 AM
ang ganda!!! san marinig ko din tunog minsan :D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 06, 2007, 09:03:09 AM
Sabi ng dalawa kong kaibigan ang workmanship ay polido pero hindi naman out of this world PERO ang tone at character ng gitara walang katumbas sa buong buhay nila na naggigitara. Ang isang kaibigan ko ay nawalan ng gana sa Strat at Tele niya. Tonally sabi noong isa, it has to be heard raw to be believed at wala raw lalaban na Fender USA Custom Shop, o Gibson Custom Shop o high-end na PRS USA sa gitara na ito. Pero opinyon lang nila iyon...
Tolits
Yung isang kaibigan mo likes saying that every guitar is different, and so you have to just keep on trying stuff out. And despite saying that, he's now making a generalization without having tried every guitar of other builders. Silly and ironic.
If you line up all the class A builders out there, and have them bring their best ever creation (of the same general type), I'll bet you that nobody will come out ahead. So it's really pointless to say that Baker will outdo Fender, Gibson, PRS, etc.
Mukhang trip lang na naman ng kaibigan mong magyabang.
But at any rate, that Baker looks awesome!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 06, 2007, 09:16:25 AM
Clarify ko lang po... kaibigan ko si tolits... pero di po ako may-ari ng Baker gtr na yan! Kulay orange yung Baker ko... NOT! (Asa pa ko! Bwahahaha! )
We all know who owns this guitar (at sino-sino ang binabanggit ni tolits na mga kaibigan).
Congratulations to Oas... Walang kasing sarap ang maging kuntento sa bagong biling gtr/gear... But I'm almost sure it will not cure GAS, especially for a restless tone/gear hound like Oas.
tolits - post naman kayo soundclips. tignan ko kung may ikakasa yung MIJs ko. :-)
EDIT: looking again at the pics, i'm 100% sure that guitar is in Guitar Hospital (i recognize Arie's workbench). si Arie pa ata yung nasa pic na may hawak nung gtr. :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 06, 2007, 10:10:23 AM
Clarify ko lang po... kaibigan ko si tolits... pero di po ako may-ari ng Baker gtr na yan! Kulay orange yung Baker Congratulations to Oas... Walang kasing sarap ang maging kuntento sa bagong biling gtr/gear... But I'm almost sure it will not cure GAS, especially for a restless tone/gear hound like Oas.
hahahaha!!!!! so Oas pala...congrats. :lol:
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 06, 2007, 10:11:12 AM
This thread is useless if you don't come to oas' house and try it out. Asking for clips? You know the answer.
Oas, ipapa-scalarize mo ba yan??? :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 06, 2007, 10:28:27 AM
This thread is useless if you don't come to oas' house and try it out. Asking for clips? You know the answer.
Oas, ipapa-scalarize mo ba yan??? :-D
Why useless? It's a thing of beauty by itself to be admired by all guitar enthusiasts. As for how it performs, if it satisfies the owner, then that's all that matters cuz he's paying for it, not us. The description and reviews about this guitar aren't in dispute, because they are just opinions. What I'm ultimately interested to find out is how my gtrs can measure up to a $5k one-off custom build guitar, particular with a band at a live gig running through mics, mixer, PAs, etc.
As for clips, I was referring to lito and arie making the clips cuz, yes, i know what oas answer would be.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: oloc on June 06, 2007, 10:39:08 AM
i guess the B3 stands for...
Banned Bad Boy
joke! :-D
congratz oas. ganda ng guitar.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 06, 2007, 10:42:02 AM
im excited to see this guitar. if i get the chance ill record some clips and post if someone can host them for me (ayaw ko soundclick).
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 06, 2007, 10:46:24 AM
im excited to see this guitar. if i get the chance ill record some clips and post if someone can host them for me (ayaw ko soundclick).
You have a laptop? I have a Firewire Interface and a bunch of mic pres, mics and compressors that I can take to the place where we can record it. Bring your Shiva if you want. Or maybe thru oas' diezel.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 06, 2007, 10:48:54 AM
actually i was thinking of something simpler. i have a victoria champ coming in (5 watter with the 8 inch speaker) and a protools setup on my laptop (firewire 410) and sm57. Was thinking no mixing (since the champ has no eq) - sm 57 - protools no effects no post mixing. Maybe put in the box of rock just for some distortion... at least this way i can also rec historics, strats, epis, etc so its consistent. what u think?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 06, 2007, 10:52:42 AM
actually i was thinking of something simpler. i have a victoria champ coming in (5 watter with the 8 inch speaker) and a protools setup on my laptop (firewire 410) and sm57. Was thinking no mixing (since the champ has no eq) - sm 57 - protools no effects no post mixing. Maybe put in the box of rock just for some distortion... at least this way i can also rec historics, strats, epis, etc so its consistent. what u think?
Well, I suggest you have an extra mic to complement the 57. The 57 can cheat the sound a bit. Not really the best mic if you want to approach realism. Try a condenser placed somewhere. Finding the sweetspot (in this case, the combination that can capture realism) is the real problem.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 06, 2007, 11:18:11 AM
btw, tolits... ang hirap basahin nung puro "sabi ng kaibigan ko... na sinang-ayunan naman ng isa ko pang kaibigan na gitarista at kilalalang luthier ng gitara..." bakit di nilang mag-join uli si Oas sa PhilMusic para sya na magpost ng gears and reviews nya? mabawasan din yung tendency na ikaw ang sagutin ng ibang nagko-comment dito. ika nga nila, "Don't shoot the messenger." :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: progressive_pilipinas on June 06, 2007, 11:20:42 AM
btw, tolits... ang hirap basahin nung puro "sabi ng kaibigan ko... na sinang-ayunan naman ng isa ko pang kaibigan na gitarista at kilalalang luthier ng gitara..." bakit di nilang mag-join uli si Oas sa PhilMusic para sya na magpost ng gears and reviews nya? mabawasan din yung tendency na ikaw ang sagutin ng ibang nagko-comment dito. ika nga nila, "Don't shoot the messenger." :-D
I was expecting this issue to come up. :-)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 06, 2007, 11:22:28 AM
actually i was thinking of something simpler. i have a victoria champ coming in (5 watter with the 8 inch speaker) and a protools setup on my laptop (firewire 410) and sm57. Was thinking no mixing (since the champ has no eq) - sm 57 - protools no effects no post mixing. Maybe put in the box of rock just for some distortion... at least this way i can also rec historics, strats, epis, etc so its consistent. what u think?
Well, I suggest you have an extra mic to complement the 57. The 57 can cheat the sound a bit. Not really the best mic if you want to approach realism. Try a condenser placed somewhere. Finding the sweetspot (in this case, the combination that can capture realism) is the real problem.
skunky - off-topic... anong mare-recommend mong microphone for recording?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 06, 2007, 11:24:20 AM
btw, tolits... ang hirap basahin nung puro "sabi ng kaibigan ko... na sinang-ayunan naman ng isa ko pang kaibigan na gitarista at kilalalang luthier ng gitara..." bakit di nilang mag-join uli si Oas sa PhilMusic para sya na magpost ng gears and reviews nya? mabawasan din yung tendency na ikaw ang sagutin ng ibang nagko-comment dito. ika nga nila, "Don't shoot the messenger." :-D
I was expecting this issue to come up. :-)
Hehe... I'm not even sure if it's allowed by the rules or by the powers-that-be. . But it's really awkward to read a proxy post...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 06, 2007, 01:20:13 PM
sill waiting for the JG my friend but the saved up money is burning a whole in my wallet if you know what i mean. Hahahah.
Skunk > I have a pg81 condenser... puwede na yun? Id rather stick with 1 mic in a pre determined position para consistent. I dont wanna leave variables like room etc etc. Standard has always been sm57 up against the grill between the edge and center on axis.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 06, 2007, 03:20:45 PM
sill waiting for the JG my friend but the saved up money is burning a whole in my wallet if you know what i mean. Hahahah.
Skunk > I have a pg81 condenser... puwede na yun? Id rather stick with 1 mic in a pre determined position para consistent. I dont wanna leave variables like room etc etc. Standard has always been sm57 up against the grill between the edge and center on axis.
all my recordings are just one single SM57 ...... it's a bitch to find a nice tone. ....precisley why I'm switching to e609s.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 06, 2007, 03:27:12 PM
actually i was thinking of something simpler. i have a victoria champ coming in (5 watter with the 8 inch speaker) and a protools setup on my laptop (firewire 410) and sm57. Was thinking no mixing (since the champ has no eq) - sm 57 - protools no effects no post mixing. Maybe put in the box of rock just for some distortion... at least this way i can also rec historics, strats, epis, etc so its consistent. what u think?
Well, I suggest you have an extra mic to complement the 57. The 57 can cheat the sound a bit. Not really the best mic if you want to approach realism. Try a condenser placed somewhere. Finding the sweetspot (in this case, the combination that can capture realism) is the real problem.
skunky - off-topic... anong mare-recommend mong microphone for recording?
There is no definite answer to this. For all you know a cheap Samson mic like an R11 might do the job. By merely changing the volume level of the amp, or even gain settings, your choice of mic should also change. That is why in most huge studios, they prefer having like 8 to 10 mics per cabinet, and it is in the final mix that they choose the best sounding tracks. The reason why I suggest adding another mic to the 57 is because while it tends to have a nice capture of the upper mids and trebly frequencies, IMO, it does not capture open sounds that nicely. Maybe a condenser or ribbon mic placed inside the room or a few inches away from the speaker can help, but one thing to be avoided is phase distortion (although in some cases that is the sound you are looking for.)
Anyway, as my own rule of thumb, these are the best minimalist combinations:
Shure SM57 somewhat off axis 1-3 inches from speaker grill + LDC some 8 inches away (can be farther)
Shure SM58 (minus the windscreen) somewhat off axis 1-3 inches from speaker grill + LDC some 8 inches away (can be farther)
Sennheiser E609 2" from the speaker cone edge + LDC
Sm57 + E609 (works wekll for more compressed sounds)
A lot say a Royer R121 ribbon is good at reinforcing those airy sounds. Also some suggest a Sennheiser MD421 to be added as a close mic.
But if your main goal is getting REALISM, it can be quite a challenge. Vhunter, there is nothing wrong with using EQ and compression when tracking guitars because in some cases, the most realistic sounds can be nailed with those tools. I have given up on the idea that recording everything clean (and without EQ or comp) is the right thing to do.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: alquin on June 06, 2007, 06:38:58 PM
sabi ko na nga ba , ... may kapatid sa labas ang Bananas in Pajamas
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
peace :mrgreen:
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: nathanmanansala on June 06, 2007, 08:06:12 PM
btw, tolits... ang hirap basahin nung puro "sabi ng kaibigan ko... na sinang-ayunan naman ng isa ko pang kaibigan na gitarista at kilalalang luthier ng gitara..." bakit di nilang mag-join uli si Oas sa PhilMusic para sya na magpost ng gears and reviews nya? mabawasan din yung tendency na ikaw ang sagutin ng ibang nagko-comment dito. ika nga nila, "Don't shoot the messenger." :-D
I was expecting this issue to come up. :-)
got an issue? here's a tissue. :D
hanef. awesome guitar.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 07, 2007, 09:44:54 AM
"To Everyone, thanks for the support and positive Comments. Though there have been requests for a review, I feel I cannot post a complete review because 1) it may in some way offend some people and 2) the guitar has only been in the country for 48 hours which means that it still has to be tested under various scenarios. Still, I will try to give a partial review. Offhand, its a magical instrument which I believe everybody should experience at least once in their lifetime. With regards to the looks, it is NOT as pretty as the best looking PRS Guitars, it is more understated. Kung medyo "Beauty of the Burst" fan ka, then the Baker has the same appeal. In a sense, my experiment to look for the most beautiful guitar combined with the most beautiful sound was NOT really a success. However, what I got was something beyond what I was expecting a single guitar to do. Personally, I stopped being a high end guitar fan years ago because I believed that guitars should be tested and heard first. This guitar changed all that. To clarify, I am not on a honeymoon period with it. Rather, I took the risk because I knew that I could immediately sell this guitar and recover around 90% of its value because of Gene Baker's reputation and limited Supply of Fire Models -- at around 20 guitars per year. In short, I was hoping it would fail so I could buy a Komet -- amps are my first love. Also, I was not expecting its character and tone to beat what I already have. BUT IT DOES. It does things that nothing I have tested the past 20 years can ever do. I believe my close luthier friend is also as enthusiastic. We are still both in disbelief and frankly at a loss on how to give it a review because it transcends what a guitar should be -- it ceases being an instrument and now truly becomes an extension of oneself. Though it has been publicized as a blues, jazz, hard rock guitar -- for Metal Heads, Thrashers, Death Dudes, this guitar is also the ultimate "chugga chugga" machine because of its tight bass response, correctly voiced mids and KERRANG factor and bigness under heavy distortion. As you bring up the distortion, the tone thickens but never becomes mush and remains defined. The notes sound solid without the harsh overtones that make a distortion sound splatter. Also, the guitar tends to thicken up much earlier in the distortion range on high gain amps. Can you do shredder stuff on it? Amazingly yes because of its joint and neck profile -- though not thin -- it is so easy to perform scalar runs on. At first I could not believe the claim that it would have one of the fastest necks if not the fastest neck around but because of the construction and Gene's set-up out of the box, it actually fulfills the promise. One thing I have to mention, it is superbly balanced and you will never ever feel that you have a 9 lbs. guitar with you. Clean is just amazing -- there is no GIBSON muddy mid and there is no cold PRS mid. It has a slightly more elevated mid than a Fender but more pleasing to the ear and not too hollow. I was amazed at the flexibility of the Lollar Imperial Vintage to volume and tone setting on the guitar pots from thick but pleasing mids to jangle like scooped cleans. Again, I am not a Lollar fan but this has changed my perception of the brand. I was surprised to see a coil tap switch for both pickups which is not standard on Gene's Offerings and it is a great coil tap that made me forget about single coils. NOTE: This guitar was NOT customized in any way. Gene does not accept customization orders. I bought this guitar stock without any modifications and will remain that way because Gene has voiced the whole guitar to be one with each specific part in mind to contribute to an over all sound. Was it worth it? For me, yes. Can the difference be worth 20X the cost of my cheapest but good sounding guitar? Yes. Why? I just don't feel like playing my other guitars anymore. Is it a marginal difference for me? No because limitless expression becomes priceless."
alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: nathanmanansala on June 07, 2007, 10:03:32 AM
Was it worth it? For me, yes. Can the difference be worth 20X the cost of my cheapest but good sounding guitar? Yes. Why? I just don't feel like playing my other guitars anymore. Is it a marginal difference for me? No because limitless expression becomes priceless."
alex
Ayus... at the end of the day, it only really matters to you. Congrats uli.
Like farseer tho, I'm really intrigued to know how it compares against other expensive, median, and inexpensive BUT TONEFUL guitars.
Btw, it's good you wrote out the response yourself for Lito to post. I can imagine it being awkward for Lito to be your spokesman all the time.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 07, 2007, 11:20:21 AM
congrats Alex....eto ....for eveyones pleasure
Here's Scott with his Baker.....using my dream amp a Fuchs....mmmmmm. :-P
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on June 07, 2007, 12:39:56 PM
congrats. Like delta, I would be interested in hearing how it compares to other guitars of lower and similar price points. Personally, I can justify spending a pretty penny on an amp but a guitar in that price range will be tougher to sell me on because other stellar tones have been achieved with guitars costing a fraction of the price. I think the Scott Lerner clean and dirty tones sound a lot like an ES-335 through the Fuchs so that would be an interesting point of comparison in the recording sessions.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: micr0chimp on June 07, 2007, 01:56:17 PM
Ey thanks, Alex! Really. :-)
Most of us do appreciate your take on stuff because you put a lot of thought, time and passion into it. I enjoy it most when it's the passion that comes through from you more than anything else.
Have fun with the new toy! Buy you a beer when we bump into each other again. :-D
PS: Oh I'd looooovvee to try that Bogner...Nice!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 07, 2007, 03:07:37 PM
....... I think the Scott Lerner clean and dirty tones sound a lot like an ES-335 through the Fuchs so that would be an interesting point of comparison in the recording sessions.
...makes you think....you don't need an es335 to get that Larry Carlton tone....eh?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on June 07, 2007, 03:22:37 PM
...makes you think....you don't need an es335 to get that Larry Carlton tone....eh?
i dunno, man. the ES has definite character to its tone and its sound is a result of its semi-hollow structure. I thought the Baker got close but the ES emulation was a bit treblier than what a real ES would sound like, a result of the thing being a solid body, no doubt. Don't get me wrong, the Baker tone is great but if I want an ES tone, I'd get an ES because, to me, there is no getting around the physics that is intrinsic to each guitar type. For years, I tried getting around the fact that I could "fake" a jazz tone on a solid body because I simply didn't want to get a jazz box and have yet another guitar case taking up space. I had eyed the Ibby George Benson for years but couldn't justify getting the guitar just for a jazz tone until I sat my butt down and played it alongside my PRS. The sound was different and no amount of tweaking on the amp or the PRS tone pots could get me close enough to the jazz box sound. Needless to say, I got the Ibby and haven't looked back.
If the hordes of people out there using the ES-335 for its characteristic tone is any indication of its irreplaceability, I think it would be safe to say that the ES tone/ES-335 combination is not going to go out of style anytime soon.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 08, 2007, 08:27:51 AM
Now its really me, pangit yung Baker, di maganda tone, kasi di siya pwede pang bass. Hehe. yOU CAN SEE THE BAKER IN ACTION ON JUNE 23, MY BROTHERS MUSTACHE FOLK HOUSE, SOULBENDERS PLAYING, WITH BAKER PLAYED BY STEVE," THE MANAGER" LABAO. CHECK IT OUT@
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 08, 2007, 09:05:45 AM
Now its really me, pangit yung Baker, di maganda tone, kasi di siya pwede pang bass. Hehe. yOU CAN SEE THE BAKER IN ACTION ON JUNE 23, MY BROTHERS MUSTACHE FOLK HOUSE, SOULBENDERS PLAYING, WITH BAKER PLAYED BY STEVE," THE MANAGER" LABAO. CHECK IT OUT@
ayan, wala ka ng sapi, tolits! hehe...
kelan rehersal? post din ako ng gig announcement.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: strat62 on June 08, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
Last 2 songs by Hendrix and The Who.. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 08, 2007, 08:17:38 PM
Tolits -- I saw more pictures of #55 sa Destroy All Guitars. Man, that Baker looks so good! Suwerte ng kaibigan mo, as well as kayong mga kaibigan niya who get to play with it too.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 09, 2007, 01:07:31 PM
Tolits -- I saw more pictures of #55 sa Destroy All Guitars. Man, that Baker looks so good! Suwerte ng kaibigan mo, as well as kayong mga kaibigan niya who get to play with it too.
Until you get the gustavsson... then youre blessed. :D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 09, 2007, 03:52:17 PM
Tolits -- I saw more pictures of #55 sa Destroy All Guitars. Man, that Baker looks so good! Suwerte ng kaibigan mo, as well as kayong mga kaibigan niya who get to play with it too.
Hehe... swerte ni Arie and Steve!
Ganda nga... pero ganun ba lahat ng designs ni Baker? Kung ako magpa-custom ng guitar, it'll be a cross between a Tele (neck, body outline) and a Les Paul (violin carved maple top, 2 HBs... but coil-tapped)... Actually such a gtr exists: yung Moon Tele na naunahan ako ni Alex bilhin kay Valve a couple of years ago. Shet! Ayaw benta ni Alex!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: nathanmanansala on June 10, 2007, 01:12:17 PM
Tolits -- I saw more pictures of #55 sa Destroy All Guitars. Man, that Baker looks so good! Suwerte ng kaibigan mo, as well as kayong mga kaibigan niya who get to play with it too.
Hehe... swerte ni Arie and Steve!
Ganda nga... pero ganun ba lahat ng designs ni Baker? Kung ako magpa-custom ng guitar, it'll be a cross between a Tele (neck, body outline) and a Les Paul (violin carved maple top, 2 HBs... but coil-tapped)... Actually such a gtr exists: yung Moon Tele na naunahan ako ni Alex bilhin kay Valve a couple of years ago. Shet! Ayaw benta ni Alex!
sounds like you're looking for a G&L ASAT Deluxe (or Deluxe Semi Hollow), a Grosh Bent Top T or a Chapin Fatline TV. :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: nhojie on June 11, 2007, 04:06:14 AM
ganda!! :-o
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 11, 2007, 07:46:31 AM
" Just to clarify: the Moon Tele has a set neck. Body is maple on mahogany and neck is ebony on maple. Strat scale. It also has a carved top with a TOM bridge set-up. I really would not know if its for blues. Siguro pwede with the coil taps engaged but I really voiced it more to become a hard rock and modern metal guitar. It has binding on the body and the neck. It is colored jet black and it really looks like one of those late 80s Schecters. Workmanship is top notch and probably this guitar is one of a kind because Moon is known to just make one-offs for guitars. They are really more known for bass guitars. Thanks to Eric Reyes for bringing in the guitar to the Philippines and selling it to me. Though anytime he plans to shift to 6-string guitar for a career, I will gladly sell it back to him upon request. Heh Heh. --- alex"
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Valve on June 11, 2007, 08:29:12 AM
Thanks to Eric Reyes for bringing in the guitar to the Philippines and selling it to me. Though anytime he plans to shift to 6-string guitar for a career, I will gladly sell it back to him upon request. Heh Heh. --- alex"
*ahem* *ahem* Baker na lang! :-D
Di ka nataga sa custom? Teka, wag mo ng sagutin.. marami atang taga custom dito. :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Poundcake on June 11, 2007, 09:23:42 AM
Thanks to Eric Reyes for bringing in the guitar to the Philippines and selling it to me. Though anytime he plans to shift to 6-string guitar for a career, I will gladly sell it back to him upon request. Heh Heh. --- alex"
*ahem* *ahem* Baker na lang! :-D
Di ka nataga sa custom? Teka, wag mo ng sagutin.. marami atang taga custom dito. :-D
tulad ni QBERT and his clones? hehehe :)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: psychic_sushi on June 11, 2007, 11:37:15 AM
btw, tolits... ang hirap basahin nung puro "sabi ng kaibigan ko... na sinang-ayunan naman ng isa ko pang kaibigan na gitarista at kilalalang luthier ng gitara..." bakit di nilang mag-join uli si Oas sa PhilMusic para sya na magpost ng gears and reviews nya? mabawasan din yung tendency na ikaw ang sagutin ng ibang nagko-comment dito. ika nga nila, "Don't shoot the messenger." :-D
I was expecting this issue to come up. :-)
He's free to rejoin naman eh.
But it would be funny to see a thread like-
"First Ever Character Banned from the Same Forum Twice in The Philippines" :-D
I guess we can all benefit from him being circumspect with his posts since he is piggy-backing.
Congrats on the guitar anyways, it's lovely. Nice catch :-)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bloodpet on June 11, 2007, 01:55:11 PM
if i'm not mistaken, may Baker B3 na akong nakita sa stash ng isang guitar collector dito sa Manila.. it probably isn't the first :)
i love the looks of that axe... malinamnam! :)
ian! hahahaha! parang alam ko na kung sinong collector sinasabi mo ah! hehehehe! salamat pala man for taking us to amp heaven!!! kitakits ulit! meron ako idedate dun eh, hehehehe...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 20, 2007, 02:10:01 PM
It is Day 14 with the Baker B3 and I have to say it is a mind blowing experience to be with such a guitar. People may say that it’s a honeymoon period but as each day goes by, you just start to fall in love with the guitar more and more. So much so that playing my other guitars just makes it such a bad experience. I tend to find fault now in my other guitars subconsciously.
Everything about the Baker B3 Fire Model just feels right. Underwhelming at first and not exactly the best looking guitar, it rewards you each day with more tone and character that makes you forget about those screaming maple tops. Slowly, those KSP tops start to look abrasive and NAKAKAUMAY. Then you start to understand why the classic Bursts are never loud in appearance. The B3 never distracts your playing with laborious inlays and densely eye popping flame. Its all done right with a touch of class and playability in mind. It remains easy on the eyes and the only time you notice the flame is from a non-player angle. If you still prioritize body style, looks and adornment, its time to grow up. Because more often than not, the best sounding guitars look ordinary and simple. If you believe that wood is wood and that companies like Gibson, Fender and PRS use the best wood, then you are in for a surprise. The wood used on the B3 sings so well that only a chance occurrence Gibson, Fender or PRS guitar may rival it.
Everything is just perfect as you grow into the guitar. All of the physical aspects feel as if the builder knew what to do with it regardless of specifications or features. No such thing as customization here because you don’t need it. You easily forget what type of guitar you are playing. Even though at the back of your mind, you know that this should be a Les Paul type guitar, it makes you forget what it is because you can coax so many sounds out of the pickups. No personal favorite Paper in Oil Angela Caps or Scalarizers here. It does fine without them. Straight out of the box, it is a tone machine with the best ever character I have experienced in an electric guitar. Two loyal Fender friends of mine who have tried the guitar, just don’t care anymore whether they are playing a Fender style guitar because the coil tap is just so sweet and defined. On clean, I can get an amplified acoustic tone with the volume backed down. On diverse amps from a Vox AC 30 to a high gain Bogner Uberschall, the guitar just never sounds the same but rather morphs into something new depending on the amp. Again, I reiterate even though it does not look like a pointy death and thrash metal guitar, it will put such guitars into place. I can demonstrate this on the VHT, Diezel and Bogner. Moreover because of such a strong body resonance and string vibration, distortion on high gain amps is possible on minimal settings of 7-9 o clock without any overdrive and boost pedals. On super extreme gain settings and with the Lollars on Full, I can get a certain fuzz feel and timbre which is simply amazing given that there is no fuzz pedal used. Such sonic versatility and physical perfection makes the guitar blend into the player and as a result, the player is now consumed by his playing. It never fails to excite each and every time it is picked up.
This guitar has restored my faith in US luthiers. My humble advice to those who can save or are willing to save, is to forget all else and get one Baker. At this point in time, at least from the perspective of Destroy All Guitars, Baker, JG and the new Terry Mcinturff Carolina solid bodies are top of the heap among solid body electric guitars. And I tend to believe it. Truly, this is crème de la crème. I believe that less than 1% of the world’s electric guitars will ever achieve this perfect blend of physical playability and killer sound. I am that impressed and that biased that I rather own 2 or 3 Bakers and be happy the rest of my life without ever feeling the need to madly visit Perfect Pitch during their Handog sales and ever to be intimidated by the selection of guitars in Tom Lee Hong Kong Main Branch near the Tsim Sha Tsui station in Kowloon.
Will our local luthiers ever reach this quality? My honest answer is maybe in the next 20 years. After all, Gene started making guitars in 1990 and the B3 was launched in 2006. If you look at his work history and exposure to some of the best luthiers and artist in the industry, then you start to realize that you are paying for his experience and it shows. Surely, physical beauty is something that he can easily do as demonstrated by his first series of Baker B1 guitars. However, the B3s just seem more organic and never forced. The B3s make the player shine and not vice versa.
As of today, I look forward to dispose my guitars and to save up for another Baker. Considering that he only makes about 30 guitars a year by himself and let us assume that he only has another 20 years of work in him, that is just 600 more guitars for a lucky 600 guitarists in the whole wide world.
By the way, I am sure you have a question on if such a guitar so great exists, how come so and so does not use the guitar? Let me quote Cliff: “Many famous players own Bakers but many cannot be photographed with them or seen on stage with them...” Joe Satriani and Steve Vai are super close friends of Cliff. I quote Joe Satriani “"Cliff is my tone guru. He knows amps and guitars better than anyone, and I trust his recommendations when it comes to equipment. I've known Cliff since '85 and he's always been on the new frontier with both music and gear. He signed me to Relativity back in '86 and since then has continued to help me develop as a solo artist. Now with DestroyAllGuitars on the web we all have a place to go when we need Cliff's advice!" and a quote from Steve Vai “"I was discovered by Frank Zappa but Cliff Cultreri gave me my chance in the music business and if it was not for his instincts, support and encouragement, it's unlikely I would have had a successful music career. When you hear about music business folk lore you hear the fairy tale stories of the one guy that made a difference but was more or less an unsung hero. Cliff was my guardian angel. After countless refusals from virtually every label, Cliff was the only one to take the chance and release my music, giving me a deal that is to this day unequivocally unprecedented in the music business." So to naysayers, read between the lines.
Cliff brings to the table 30 years of music industry experience, during which he was responsible for producing and executive producing primarily guitar-driven music. Cliff was responsible for signing and executive producing such artists as Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Alan Holdsworth, Peter Frampton, Warren Haynes and GOV'T Mule, Steve Howe, John McLaughlin, Scott Henderson, Slash's Snakepit, Opeth, Megadeath, C.O.C., Exodus, Anthrax, Slayer, The Cure, My Bloody Valentine, Our Lady Peace, and too many more to mention. During that time, projects involving Cliff had received 18 Grammy Nominations and 27 Gold, Platinum and Multi-Platinum awards. Cliff was also privileged to work alongside of some of the greatest producers in rock history such as Glyn Johns (The Who, Rolling Stones), Andy Johns (Led Zeppelin), Jim Gaines (Stevie Ray Vaughan), Butch Vig (Nirvana), Bob Rock (Metallica), etc... He has been recording guitar driven rock records since 1975 and has thus gathered a wealth of knowledge in that arena. It is this knowledge that he brings to the table to share with all who work with him at DestroyAllGuitars. Because of his credentials and the Baker Fire#55, I can now safely order guitars WITHOUT ever trying them in person.
Guitars just got exciting again!!!
Is it worth the expense?
I can personally say yes because it ends the stress of having to keep up with joneses because Gene ensures that his guitars are up to date and yet classic in appeal i.e. Buzz Feiten, Skyway tremolo options, Tone Pros. It ends having to go to Perfect Pitch Handog Sale and be disappointed by the current offerings i.e. Baker Guitars are handmade by Gene one at a time with a high resale value. It ends having to keep on worrying what parts to upgrade i.e. Gene alters each hardware and electronic configuration for each guitar depending on the sound of the wood, for example he uses wolfetones, to lollars to dimarzios depending on what best fits the individual guitar. It ends having to rummage thru tons and tons of classified ads, waste time and deal with character types who want to sell their offerings as the greatest thing on earth i.e. Gene scraps 65% of the premium wood he uses just to find a guitar with character. It ends having to set-up expensive guitars from the store i.e. Gene personally set ups each guitar before its shipped and his set-up is amazing. It ends having to struggle with guitars i.e. the guitar does 50% of the work and it takes out 50% off from needing to generate the tone from your hands and makes you more concentrate on note selection and expression. It ends customization because you forget about features e.g. Gene has this uncanny ability to combine certain features together that actually work so well and naturally together – if you look at the joint of #55 with a 59 neck profile who would have thought of such and yet I have stopped desiring for a neck thru. Finally, it ends having to use bad sounding guitars. E.g. Gene’s wood is just amazing in response and character. Least I forget, it ends GAS for a few days…
If I sound biased -- I am just passionate because it’s really an amazing guitar that I want everybody to wake up from all the commercialism and just buy one for themselves at some point in their life. This guitar has restored my faith in so called high end luthiers who really want to produce good sounding guitars that Fender, Gibson and PRS forgot about because they were all too busy coming out with gazillion models with gazillion endorsements, gazillion colors and gazillion flames. In their pursuit of profits, it has taught a generation of guitarists to play with their eyes as opposed to playing what sounds good. In comparison to these Brands, Gene Baker offers a refreshing perspective and concentrates on delivering on the most elusive trait of all -- good sound.
-- alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Poundcake on June 20, 2007, 03:17:34 PM
nice, long post, Alex. i'm glad you pointed out Terry McInturff guitars. i've used a couple and they sound and look topnotch indeed. congrats again on your B3 purchase :)
i have a question though: why don't you re-register using a different nickname instead? i think boss Jim permitted you to do so as long as there won't be any more of those large-scale flaming threads :)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: greatwolf on June 20, 2007, 03:32:24 PM
Nice review.
I agree with Poundcake. It sure beats having to post by proxy. :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 20, 2007, 03:41:10 PM
I have to agree with alex on this. The b3 is amazing and plays like butter. Id say its on par with my number 1 (the gold one) which is more of the exception than the norm when it comes to les pauls. Alex i didnt wanna support you but now im FRIGGGIN gassing for number 59. Im starting to think its cheap even at that price.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 20, 2007, 04:21:39 PM
Poundcake,
As much as I want to share more, I have nothing else to share. You dudes in the U.S. are in a much better position to share about equipment. In fact, Gene Baker lives in the Arroyo Grande area in California. I just realized that after all these years of my experience and bias, that I really do not know much. The B3 just blew me away and the way I view equipment. I am just sad because I realized that the musical gear situation in Manila is really in a sorry state.
Vhunter,
I look forward to that Baker#59. At least, my #55 won't be too lonely. All I can say is just take the plunge and sell all else that you ain't happy with. Its ironic but the guy who initally pushed the Baker to me was Ken of Ultrasound which for all intents and purposes is a high end shop for amps, who actually owned one of the earlier ones and remains to be his main axe. Just wished I could have made the plunge much earlier. Sometimes you just have to put your trust in qualified people regardless of racial and situational bias and disregard your own bias and experience to learn new things.
--alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: skunkyfunk on June 20, 2007, 09:17:02 PM
nice, long post, Alex. i'm glad you pointed out Terry McInturff guitars. i've used a couple and they sound and look topnotch indeed. congrats again on your B3 purchase :)
i have a question though: why don't you re-register using a different nickname instead? i think boss Jim permitted you to do so as long as there won't be any more of those large-scale flaming threads :)
I can suggest a moniker if he signs up again - oasgomez_luvs_u_all :D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: CARABAO on June 20, 2007, 10:12:30 PM
nice review. too bad the guitar's really out of my budget.. and with a guitar like that, i better be good at playing it.. i'm settling for cheap ones.. kahit papaano makakatugtog pa rin ako. hehe. congrats sir alex! i wanna try that out one of these days :)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 21, 2007, 04:59:28 AM
Alex, can you PM me how much you paid for it and information where and how to order it. thanks. I see the B1s are very affordable ... wonder how it sounds and play. Your B3 has that hybrid combination of an LP and superstrat look to it.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: changedmynametojimi on June 21, 2007, 06:01:05 AM
loved the review, its as if i was the one playing the guitar....
congrats to you with your new guitar
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 21, 2007, 06:31:33 AM
I have to agree with alex on this. The b3 is amazing and plays like butter. Id say its on par with my number 1 (the gold one) which is more of the exception than the norm when it comes to les pauls. Alex i didnt wanna support you but now im FRIGGGIN gassing for number 59. Im starting to think its cheap even at that price.
Go for #59 vhunter!!! Sabi nga ni Cliff, it was based on his specs and his choice of woods. 'Love the darkburst color.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Poundcake on June 21, 2007, 07:16:31 AM
nice, long post, Alex. i'm glad you pointed out Terry McInturff guitars. i've used a couple and they sound and look topnotch indeed. congrats again on your B3 purchase :)
i have a question though: why don't you re-register using a different nickname instead? i think boss Jim permitted you to do so as long as there won't be any more of those large-scale flaming threads :)
I can suggest a moniker if he signs up again - oasgomez_luvs_u_all :D
hehe.. sounds heavily infused with psychedelia :lol:
patay tayo dyan Phil, looks like you're targeting a new guitar again. what happened to your Carvin loyalism? the CT6M models are waiting for you at the Carvin factory outlet along Sunset Strip :)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on June 21, 2007, 07:47:35 AM
nice, long post, Alex. i'm glad you pointed out Terry McInturff guitars. i've used a couple and they sound and look topnotch indeed. congrats again on your B3 purchase :)
i have a question though: why don't you re-register using a different nickname instead? i think boss Jim permitted you to do so as long as there won't be any more of those large-scale flaming threads :)
+1 on the TM guitars. they are really good. I think Ed Roman guitars in Vegas still has them in stock in addition to a few nice luthier lines. I haven't been there in years but if I know Roman's place, he's still pushing the likes of TM and Baker as part of his stock.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 21, 2007, 08:07:27 AM
nice, long post, Alex. i'm glad you pointed out Terry McInturff guitars. i've used a couple and they sound and look topnotch indeed. congrats again on your B3 purchase :)
i have a question though: why don't you re-register using a different nickname instead? i think boss Jim permitted you to do so as long as there won't be any more of those large-scale flaming threads :)
I can suggest a moniker if he signs up again - oasgomez_luvs_u_all :D
hehe.. sounds heavily infused with psychedelia :lol:
patay tayo dyan Phil, looks like you're targeting a new guitar again. what happened to your Carvin loyalism? the CT6M models are waiting for you at the Carvin factory outlet along Sunset Strip :)
hahaha!!! The Carvin guitars are nice....pero they never really attracted me enough to buy one. I was really attracted to Carvin's tube amps....slowly getting rid of it though. The only Carvin that I will retain is the Legacy. You know how it is... your taste changes. I'm still getting a real tweed amp. A "Baker and Fuchs" would be an ideal combination. ....... nakupo!!! BUT I need to try out the Baker......cosmetically...it doesn't REALLY attract me....maybe I might change my mind when I play it. Scott Lerner has a B1 I think and it sounds phenomenal with his Fuchs. :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
nice, long post, Alex. i'm glad you pointed out Terry McInturff guitars. i've used a couple and they sound and look topnotch indeed. congrats again on your B3 purchase :)
i have a question though: why don't you re-register using a different nickname instead? i think boss Jim permitted you to do so as long as there won't be any more of those large-scale flaming threads :)
+1 on the TM guitars. they are really good. I think Ed Roman guitars in Vegas still has them in stock in addition to a few nice luthier lines. I haven't been there in years but if I know Roman's place, he's still pushing the likes of TM and Baker as part of his stock.
The Bakers from ed roman are MIJ ata... hindi ata si Gene ang gumawa nun mga yon :-)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on June 21, 2007, 09:08:48 AM
The Bakers from ed roman are MIJ ata... hindi ata si Gene ang gumawa nun mga yon :-)
i didn't even know there were MIJ Baker guitars. then again, the only b3 and XS i ever played were in NY. i played a couple of pieces similar in design to Gene's B3 from Jacobs and Jet. nice pieces of luthier work but like Poundcake's thoughts on them, the guitars never appealed to me cosmetically. i loved the tone, definitely. i would do a session with ém but a gig? i dunno...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 21, 2007, 09:34:45 AM
Yup the bakers from ed roman are not real bakers. He bought the rights to them when gene went out of business back in 04 (i think). So he has the body style and the name ... but none of the details that go into a B3 now.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 21, 2007, 09:49:58 AM
i didn't even know there were MIJ Baker guitars. then again, the only b3 and XS i ever played were in NY. i played a couple of pieces similar in design to Gene's B3 from Jacobs and Jet. nice pieces of luthier work but like Poundcake's thoughts on them, the guitars never appealed to me cosmetically. i loved the tone, definitely. i would do a session with ém but a gig? i dunno...
MIJ Baker = Bakero
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: farseer on June 21, 2007, 11:32:25 AM
bwahahaha :-D :-D :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 22, 2007, 01:49:43 AM
Phil,
As much as I want to PM, I am using someone else's ID. So, I got it for 5150 (Hey.... Van Halen .... which amazingly this guitar has no problem doing) plus 40 shipping in the US via DHL. Best to contact Cliff by phone but I only email and his response is prompt. Phone is the way to go based on vhunter's experience because madaldal si Cliff and I guess based on his experience, you will learn so much more in 30 minutes compared to gazillion hours spent on so many gear forums. Plus you are in the U.S. which means cheaper National rates?
To all,
I forgot to mention something. This guitar has some addicting mojo to it. As my close friend Arie would joke, its gots some weed thing going on... This guitar is the opposite of most high end guitars which seem to have a great initial impact on you but gets disappointing as the days go by.
When I and Arie first saw the guitar, we were UNDERWHELMED. It is not what you expect out of a guitar of that price in the looks department. Ang joke pa nga ni Arie, Korea lang yata ito. At that point in time, I was ready to switch to Plan B -- which was to dispose. Physically, the flame is only obvious at specific angles. I also did not like the headstock shape initially -- more on that later. So, it was Arie who first plugged in and he was immediately stunned. Naka CONNECT raw siya immediately. Never was there a guitar in his whole life that made him CONNECT in less than a minute. So, Arie actually played the guitar several hours more soulful than I and his people ever heard him play his whole life and we ABed versus his Strat which in the end sounded more harsh and thin -- despite the fact that his NO.1 Strat was more distorted and gained out. There was at least a good hour of jam tracks in a PA system with the Baker B3 thru his solid state Yamaha which was a funny sight for me because he never could stand Les Paul type guitars with a mid hump. But the mid on this B3 just sounded so good. I think he could not work that day. So, I brought it home and plugged it thru some tube amps and was not immediately impressed other than the hiyaw factor which was really was off the scale. You could bend for days without choking or sounding flat. It got richer as you approached the top of the bend. I was also having a problem with the set up because I was not used to higher action on a chunkier 59 sized neck. So, I tuned down a half step just to adjust. It took me about 3 days to adjust playability wise. Another difficulty I was also having was the settings on my amp because it was just then that I realized I needed less gain on the amps because the amount of string vibration running thru the pickups was driving the amp much more on my usual settings. At first I suspected that lollars were high output but switching to clean disproved that because clean felt like it was an acoustic guitar on chorus with volume pot at half way. But the clincher came when I started comparing it to my other guitars. It was the worst AB of my life because it demonstrated each guitar's shortcoming relative to the B3 regardless of type.
The next victim is vhunter. He was the 3rd guy to play it in the Philippines. To summarize, he was NOT that impressed but did acknowledge that it was a great sounding guitar. We played it thru his gear --- love his stuff --- and he felt it did not approach his gold top. But yesterday, he texts and misses it. So the score is arie -- 1minute, alex -- 3 days, vhunter -- 8 days.
Fourth victim is steve with an hour or two on the guitar. All I can say is: there were moments wherein steve was having an out of body experience when we were testing at vhunter's house. I only realized this when steve was doing some jazz and CLASSICAL stuff. Huh? Classical. But it sounded so good with classical.
Fifth victim is lito. Lito acknowledges its an airy guitar that you makes you forget that you need a strat but for him is not worth the dough because he thinks it looks kengkoy. Parang below his expectations because he was expecting a new body shape.
Right now, I am adjusted and the guitar is NO struggle whatsoever. The amps now have new settings and new parameter because as I said before using the super high gain setting puts this guitar into a distortion with a fuzz feel without ever needing a fuzz pedal. Everyday I look forward to playing it. On the looks, the neck joint heel is really a set neck. I believe it beats the current Gibson and PRS joints in terms of looks and accessibility. In fact the the neck joint to the horn is slanted in a way that makes you grab the neck joint and wrap your thumb over the fingerboard. If however, you tend to play the higher register with your thumb in the center of the neck classical style, mas tama ang PRS neck and chamfer on the lower horn. Despite its assymetrical looks, this is more balanced than a PRS most probably due to the wood weight distribution and upper and lower horns which are more sharp and better looking than PRS. Also, I and vhunter believe that this 9 pound guitar feels like an 8 pound guitar because of its design. On the headstock, if you look at it from the front i.e. with the whole guitar facing you parang there is something wrong with the headstock. However if you actually sling the guitar you will notice that there is a slight angle on the headstock that actually makes the headstock look bigger than it should and thus looks correct parang ibanez na RG. I actually took a shot of this in one of the pics in the first part of this thread. Initially, I love how the PRS headstock looks from a frontal position but once you sling the guitar, I suddenly get the feeling that the PRS headstock feels small relative to its neck and body. Not so with the B3. The assymetrical side of the headstock facing you when slung is much longer than the lower side of the headstock and thus making it feel as if the headstock length is ok. Hard to explain but somehow like everything about the B3, it seems to connect with you one day at a time.
I am not a poster boy for baker but I just felt the need to share my experience and other's experience with the guitar and more or less these five people are not neophytes and from the start are biased against baker in the sense that we all had the attitude of PROVE IT TO US FIRST. We all had our shares of US FENDERs, US GIBSONS, US PRS, Custom Shop ESPs, Ibanez, etc., as a collective group. and frankly might even be individually wishing that these known guitars had the properties of the Baker. But when reality sets in, I just have to forego tradition and guitar culture because after showing off your new Ten Top Maple Flame top with Brazilian Rosewood Neck bound in curly maple and gold inlays with period correct nitro and getting all your praises from guitar dudes and a few babes who may or may not understand what a good looking guitar is -- dadamputin mo pa rin kung saan ang tunog.
P.S. I am not mad at PRS. But from the dozen or so USA made PRS, including two Santana 3s, Several Custom 24s, Mccartys, pre-89 PRS that I have tried which are so unimpressive soundwise and comparing one Baker B3 to them all that gets it right the first time by mail at that, you have better chances of finding a good sounding guitar with Baker. Forget about Gibson USA and Fender USA. You need to be well connected like vhunter to get the good ones.
alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 22, 2007, 03:13:12 AM
As much as I want to PM, I am using someone else's ID. So, I got it for 5150 (Hey.... Van Halen .... which amazingly this guitar has no problem doing) plus 40 shipping in the US via DHL. Best to contact Cliff by phone but I only email and his response is prompt. Phone is the way to go based on vhunter's experience because madaldal si Cliff and I guess based on his experience, you will learn so much more in 30 minutes compared to gazillion hours spent on so many gear forums. Plus you are in the U.S. which means cheaper National rates?
alex
...thought it was $7500 and up ....$5K is better. :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 22, 2007, 10:56:21 AM
Alex - As you know, I've seen and heard your Baker... What are the chances of Arie being able to make a guitar of similar quality and worksmanship -- all things being equal (same available wood, tools, etc)? I'm not looking to have one made, I'm just wondering about the worksmanship and quality issue and comparing it to a well-known quantity (ie, Arie).
It's either of two things: either I am underwhelmed with the Baker or that I just had too high expectations from a custom $5k gtr. Or perhaps I'm very familiar with Arie's skills and talent already and would have expected more from a world-renowned brand/guy like Baker who builds $5k guitars.
If so, I think that's very positive for us gtr geeks here, actually. That means world class luthiery talent and skills are available here, locally (eg, Arie), at least kung Baker rin lang ang benchmark.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: glassjaw_jc on June 22, 2007, 12:20:06 PM
Delta, I think the only missing link here is the availability of tone woods. We can always source them but not enough quantity and quality (unless of course local luthiers have connections). Other than the wood, other materials can be sourced easily. Oh not to mention lack of funding especially on the R&D side. Tools are expensive. If we can easily gain access to these materials, I'm sure local luthiers can compete globally.
IMO
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 22, 2007, 12:25:34 PM
...thought it was $7500 and up ....$5K is better. :-D
Phil -- Check mo destroyallguitars.com (best choice since that's ran by Cliff Cultreri), raysguitars.com, or blackcreekguitars.com. Or if you want to luck out on used B3s, you can always patiently wait for someone to sell theirs on TGP. A few weeks back, someone sold an early B3 with Koa top for $3+ I think. There's a nice B1 chambered being sold right now sa TGP, and the guy is from LA so you can even check out the guitar: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=256229&highlight=baker (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=256229&highlight=baker)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 22, 2007, 12:56:04 PM
...thought it was $7500 and up ....$5K is better. :-D
Phil -- Check mo destroyallguitars.com (best choice since that's ran by Cliff Cultreri), raysguitars.com, or blackcreekguitars.com. Or if you want to luck out on used B3s, you can always patiently wait for someone to sell theirs on TGP. A few weeks back, someone sold an early B3 with Koa top for $3+ I think. There's a nice B1 chambered being sold right now sa TGP, and the guy is from LA so you can even check out the guitar: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=256229&highlight=baker (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=256229&highlight=baker)
hmmmm... intelesting. :evil:
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 22, 2007, 03:47:28 PM
I dunno but that b3 55 had mojo. Hahah... it might be a weird word to describe the guitar.. but initially it reminded me of every other guitar... but theres something to it. I wouldnt sell my les pauls for it... but i honestly think its fair at 5k considering the quality and craftsmanship.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 23, 2007, 01:37:47 AM
I dunno but that b3 55 had mojo. Hahah... it might be a weird word to describe the guitar.. but initially it reminded me of every other guitar... but theres something to it. I wouldnt sell my les pauls for it... but i honestly think its fair at 5k considering the quality and craftsmanship.
Uuuyyy... sabi ni Cliff someone just bought #59... :-D Congrats forum bro! Those were based on Cliff's personal specs and has to rock big time!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 23, 2007, 06:38:28 AM
Hi... Deltaslim,
Its funny because I and Arie were just talking about that. Its not so much whether Arie can come up with a guitar like that -- it has more to do with taking a great loss. Arie is so inspired by the B3 to prove that he can make a guitar that will sound as good if not better. But for him to do so, he wants to first migrate and leave the country, buy US$5k worth of wood and just keep on churning and constructing guitars trying to chance upon a good sounding combination of wood. And he will be sending me the first piece that sounds great!!! But that means he will leave guitar repair and we all here will miss him and face such a loss...
Also, what Arie will acknowledge, for somebody to come up with a number#55 with character and sound to boot, requires immense exposure to guitars that even he feels he is not on the same level. Thats why for him, he wants quit guitar repair and spend time learning and testing batches of wood. Arie believes it is not just a matter of importing wood but actually assembling them into guitars and trying them out to find out which batch sounded great and disposing the bad sounding batch. Only then will he ever try to sell a guitar. He also will not do any customization and will take a Gene Baker route. Because he will ONLY put his name on a guitar that he believes will sound great kasi hindi kaya ng konsensiya niya ang maglabas ng panget na tunog na gitara which by the way I cannot say the same for a lot of luthiers in the Philippines.
So, if you ask me, I'd rather not that he try making one... Just a tidbit, I believe that Arie currently also loves the number 55 and in fact was telling me that he now tries to adjust his strat to go after the number 55's sound. And he emphasizes that he is NOT a humbucker guy but for the first time in his life, this is the only humbucker guitar to date that he can play.
PRSman,
I believe I had something to do with that... Currently my number 55 is with our forum brother which makes it 12 hours of extreme GASing for him as of this writing. I think he is locked up in his studio and does not want to give me back number 55. But congrats to our forum bro.
alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: farseer on June 23, 2007, 08:36:19 AM
I dunno but that b3 55 had mojo. Hahah... it might be a weird word to describe the guitar.. but initially it reminded me of every other guitar... but theres something to it. I wouldnt sell my les pauls for it... but i honestly think its fair at 5k considering the quality and craftsmanship.
Uuuyyy... sabi ni Cliff someone just bought #59... :-D Congrats forum bro! Those were based on Cliff's personal specs and has to rock big time!
miks,,, u pulled the trigger na... congrats...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 23, 2007, 08:40:07 AM
I believe I had something to do with that... Currently my number 55 is with our forum brother which makes it 12 hours of extreme GASing for him as of this writing. I think he is locked up in his studio and does not want to give me back number 55. But congrats to our forum bro.
alex
Ha ha... sabi nga ni vhunter he loved your #55. Hostage time... :-D I think he was even playing it while speaking with Cliff on the phone!
Got a question for you. I want to get a good amp. I'm not a high gain guy. I'm a blues/classic rock kinda guy. What would you recommend?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 23, 2007, 09:31:04 AM
PRSman,
Whoah... Pictures of Number 48 please... Is it a Fire model? If so, what color? What configuration? So, do you prefer it over your PRS dude? Congrats to you too. Will you change your name to "Panadero"? Heh Heh. Two new Baker acquisitions in less than a month.
Regarding amps, I think you should ask cliff mukhang ok rin ang Twisted Triode niya. Offhand, I would look into Komet or Two Rock but I have not heard those in person. For 2nd hand stuff, if you can find one over there --a Rivera TBR 1-SL. I am familiar with it and I think it is so under rated.
alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 23, 2007, 11:35:53 AM
Its funny because I and Arie were just talking about that. Its not so much whether Arie can come up with a guitar like that -- it has more to do with taking a great loss. Arie is so inspired by the B3 to prove that he can make a guitar that will sound as good if not better. But for him to do so, he wants to first migrate and leave the country, buy US$5k worth of wood and just keep on churning and constructing guitars trying to chance upon a good sounding combination of wood. And he will be sending me the first piece that sounds great!!! But that means he will leave guitar repair and we all here will miss him and face such a loss...
Also, what Arie will acknowledge, for somebody to come up with a number#55 with character and sound to boot, requires immense exposure to guitars that even he feels he is not on the same level. Thats why for him, he wants quit guitar repair and spend time learning and testing batches of wood. Arie believes it is not just a matter of importing wood but actually assembling them into guitars and trying them out to find out which batch sounded great and disposing the bad sounding batch. Only then will he ever try to sell a guitar. He also will not do any customization and will take a Gene Baker route. Because he will ONLY put his name on a guitar that he believes will sound great kasi hindi kaya ng konsensiya niya ang maglabas ng panget na tunog na gitara which by the way I cannot say the same for a lot of luthiers in the Philippines.
So, if you ask me, I'd rather not that he try making one... Just a tidbit, I believe that Arie currently also loves the number 55 and in fact was telling me that he now tries to adjust his strat to go after the number 55's sound. And he emphasizes that he is NOT a humbucker guy but for the first time in his life, this is the only humbucker guitar to date that he can play. ...
alex
Yeah, fair enough. Arie tells me the same thing sometimes but I also think he's too shy to brag, or even compare himself with other luthiers -- it's just not his style. He's actually under-rated, IMHO. Not a lot of people in this forum know that Arie's restoration work has been praised as world-class by some buyers of vintage guitars in the US.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 23, 2007, 11:47:29 AM
Whoah... Pictures of Number 48 please... Is it a Fire model? If so, what color? What configuration? So, do you prefer it over your PRS dude? Congrats to you too. Will you change your name to "Panadero"? Heh Heh. Two new Baker acquisitions in less than a month.
Regarding amps, I think you should ask cliff mukhang ok rin ang Twisted Triode niya. Offhand, I would look into Komet or Two Rock but I have not heard those in person. For 2nd hand stuff, if you can find one over there --a Rivera TBR 1-SL. I am familiar with it and I think it is so under rated.
alex
#48 is a Fire model, honeyburst, korina body and neck, brazilian board, Wolftone vintage pickups, and then the usual stuff. I've got a picture on the "post your gear" thread. Actually, I've been wanting to change my forum nickname for a long time now, just don't know how... baka maging "the artist formely known as PRSman"... :-D
It's really hard to compare with the custom 24s. In my non-expert view, the Baker is in the Les Paul bucket... but much better. Great for blues/classic rock, and versatile for other styles given you can split the coils. I view the custom 24 as more of a "fat/heavy strat" but it will not come close to that classic Les Paul tone. I feel that the McCarty is what PRS is trying to put in the same bucket as a Les Paul -- and my McCarty pales in comparison to the Baker no doubt. I'm not the type who will try to say what's better this or that... I just get a different kick out of each guitar I own. Parang tsokolate. Kahit na type ko ang Godiva, type ko rin ang Snickers at Nips. And chocnut of course!
Thanks for the amp recommendations. I'll check those out.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 23, 2007, 02:12:48 PM
Miks short review of alex's B3. I LOVE THIS F@CKING GUITAR! Its really killer! At first i was like.... mm.. build quality is ok... tone is a bit harsh. But its a good guitar. After using it at rehersal fro 4 plus hours and playing it by myself for the rest of the night... all i can say is this guitar rocks and i definately want one. Just a bit tied up with cash right now so I dont know.. plus cliff says 59 is reserved.
Anyway.. the guitar is different from a les paul. Its got more body.. in a good way. More bass and mids but retains the clarity. The highs sparkle and shimmer. I think its really all about the buzz feitin system. Its the first time I;ve been able to play a BF guitar with a strobe tuner and its flat out amazing. The sweetened tunings are just a beautiful thing. Im not sure if it will cut like a les paul ala slash in the illusion albums ... but it does sing. Its pretty heavy too when i was doing the dropped D stuff and it was in tune throughout the fretboard. I love the BF system. I wanna have it done to my Les Pauls.
Will I leave my les pauls for a B3? No ... but it would be a great guitar to have in the stable.
PRSman = bogner ! check out the duende for low gain tones.. i have one comin in sept.. and the shiva for everything else. Youll love it I GUARANTEE! haahhaha
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 23, 2007, 08:12:04 PM
Miks short review of alex's B3. I LOVE THIS F@CKING GUITAR! Its really killer! At first i was like.... mm.. build quality is ok... tone is a bit harsh. But its a good guitar. After using it at rehersal fro 4 plus hours and playing it by myself for the rest of the night... all i can say is this guitar rocks and i definately want one. Just a bit tied up with cash right now so I dont know.. plus cliff says 59 is reserved.
Anyway.. the guitar is different from a les paul. Its got more body.. in a good way. More bass and mids but retains the clarity. The highs sparkle and shimmer. I think its really all about the buzz feitin system. Its the first time I;ve been able to play a BF guitar with a strobe tuner and its flat out amazing. The sweetened tunings are just a beautiful thing. Im not sure if it will cut like a les paul ala slash in the illusion albums ... but it does sing. Its pretty heavy too when i was doing the dropped D stuff and it was in tune throughout the fretboard. I love the BF system. I wanna have it done to my Les Pauls.
Will I leave my les pauls for a B3? No ... but it would be a great guitar to have in the stable.
PRSman = bogner ! check out the duende for low gain tones.. i have one comin in sept.. and the shiva for everything else. Youll love it I GUARANTEE! haahhaha
Okay ba ang Bogner XTC 101b? I've never tried one. Someone is offering it as a straight up trade for one of my guitars.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: farseer on June 23, 2007, 08:18:07 PM
ako kumuha :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: farseer on June 23, 2007, 08:24:08 PM
I wish :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: marzi on June 23, 2007, 08:45:07 PM
^ :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 23, 2007, 08:45:58 PM
101b is a great amp. Im actually considering it for next year... that or an xtc classic. What you have to know though is the 101b is a more compressed high gain sound. It does medium and low gain really well but you dont get that kind of plexi type reaction. Its a little tighter and more modern. The shiva is more open.. but darker than a plexi. It also has a tad less gain .. is more open and less compressed.
The ultimate of the line though is teh xtc classic. Its less compressed than the 101b but so its a bit more dynamic... its also like 1k more than teh 101b. ahahahha. Check out the clips of blues saraceno on teh bogner site of the duende. Whats really cool about that amp is its got dual reverb and you can use both channels at the same time so you can get a fuzz on one and have it doubled with the clean channel so you get note defenition... its like running 2 amps at once. I got it coz i loved the bad cat but it had waaaaay too much power for me. Was thinking of the hot cat 15 but... im really a bogner guy.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: schnitzerz4 on June 23, 2007, 10:24:07 PM
ganda ng guitar =)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 24, 2007, 02:27:34 AM
An update...
Just came home from a Soul Benders gig. I wanna say that Arie really makes waves with his Tele; its suits him better. The B3 for I and my friend, was just less aggressive or less matapang from our spot. However, Arie felt that it was perfect from balance, to neck profile, to shape, to response, to playability except that he gets confused because he is not used to a two volume guitar. So, go figure...
What we did notice is that the Baker is flexible with so many sounds by just turning the volume knob... This guitar is really sensitive from settings 1-10 on the volume knob. It changes character and timbre with each setting. In addition the baker with just minimal boosting has enough drive to even beat a guitar with two overdrives on. The guitar just sustain and sings. We thought that it must be because of the high output pickups --- but the pickups are NOT high output because its clean is that of a low output pickup and Lollar is not really known to have super high output pickups. Miks also felt that this #55 was more hot than his Les Pauls but upon further examination, it really is the wood. To a very popular thread entitled WHATS THE BEST OVERDRIVE/DISTORTION PEDAL? I have to definitely say your guitar's wood.
By the way, subtle flame seems to be more appropriate with stage lights because aside from having a 3d effect, it softens the looks of the guitar. It is not as dry as a solid colored guitar nor is it as flashy and eye straining as pinstripe flame or highly dense flame tops.
More and more I am convinced that Gene Baker and Cliff Cultreri know what they are doing...
alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on June 24, 2007, 10:26:37 AM
Miks short review of alex's B3. I LOVE THIS F@CKING GUITAR! Its really killer! At first i was like.... mm.. build quality is ok... tone is a bit harsh. But its a good guitar. After using it at rehersal fro 4 plus hours and playing it by myself for the rest of the night... all i can say is this guitar rocks and i definately want one. Just a bit tied up with cash right now so I dont know.. plus cliff says 59 is reserved.
Anyway.. the guitar is different from a les paul. Its got more body.. in a good way. More bass and mids but retains the clarity. The highs sparkle and shimmer. I think its really all about the buzz feitin system. Its the first time I;ve been able to play a BF guitar with a strobe tuner and its flat out amazing. The sweetened tunings are just a beautiful thing. Im not sure if it will cut like a les paul ala slash in the illusion albums ... but it does sing. Its pretty heavy too when i was doing the dropped D stuff and it was in tune throughout the fretboard. I love the BF system. I wanna have it done to my Les Pauls.
Will I leave my les pauls for a B3? No ... but it would be a great guitar to have in the stable.
PRSman = bogner ! check out the duende for low gain tones.. i have one comin in sept.. and the shiva for everything else. Youll love it I GUARANTEE! haahhaha
Okay ba ang Bogner XTC 101b? I've never tried one. Someone is offering it as a straight up trade for one of my guitars.
if you play with high gain stuff a lot.... thats what Vai used before the Carvin Legacy. But it you play clean and are into Blues and the likes....it's not the amp for you. try it out first.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on June 24, 2007, 11:32:21 PM
if you play with high gain stuff a lot.... thats what Vai used before the Carvin Legacy. But it you play clean and are into Blues and the likes....it's not the amp for you. try it out first.
Phil -- Thanks. PM kita with questions on the Fuchs.
Tolits / Alex -- Sorry, naha-hijack ko yung thread with my questions. Keep the reviews on #59 as well as "action shots" coming please.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Bart on June 24, 2007, 11:55:49 PM
Actually, it's Baka yaro. Kaya parang 'bakero' pag mabilis at guttural yung pagkakasabi. Baka=stupid yaro=earth person (farm hand). Or roughly the equivalent of a bastard.
Now back to Bakers.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on June 25, 2007, 05:19:33 AM
if you play with high gain stuff a lot.... thats what Vai used before the Carvin Legacy. But it you play clean and are into Blues and the likes....it's not the amp for you. try it out first.
Phil -- Thanks. PM kita with questions on the Fuchs.
Tolits / Alex -- Sorry, naha-hijack ko yung thread with my questions. Keep the reviews on #59 as well as "action shots" coming please.
I've been hunting for a clean sounding blues amp in the vein of the Fuchs lately and the OD50 is the front runner for my amp of choice with the Komet Concorde and the Dr. Z Carmen Ghia as a close third. Ima sit on the fence with these for a while. Someone recommended a Victoria as well but they are hard to come by since not very many places carry the line around my area. Any feedback on the Victoria amps so I know what to expect?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 25, 2007, 08:32:01 AM
Just came home from a Soul Benders gig. I wanna say that Arie really makes waves with his Tele; its suits him better. The B3 for I and my friend, was just less aggressive or less matapang from our spot. However, Arie felt that it was perfect from balance, to neck profile, to shape, to response, to playability except that he gets confused because he is not used to a two volume guitar. So, go figure...
What we did notice is that the Baker is flexible with so many sounds by just turning the volume knob... This guitar is really sensitive from settings 1-10 on the volume knob. It changes character and timbre with each setting. In addition the baker with just minimal boosting has enough drive to even beat a guitar with two overdrives on. The guitar just sustain and sings. We thought that it must be because of the high output pickups --- but the pickups are NOT high output because its clean is that of a low output pickup and Lollar is not really known to have super high output pickups. Miks also felt that this #55 was more hot than his Les Pauls but upon further examination, it really is the wood. To a very popular thread entitled WHATS THE BEST OVERDRIVE/DISTORTION PEDAL? I have to definitely say your guitar's wood.
By the way, subtle flame seems to be more appropriate with stage lights because aside from having a 3d effect, it softens the looks of the guitar. It is not as dry as a solid colored guitar nor is it as flashy and eye straining as pinstripe flame or highly dense flame tops.
More and more I am convinced that Gene Baker and Cliff Cultreri know what they are doing...
alex
Alex - Care to compare how I/my Nighthawk sounded compared to the B3 in either Steve and Arie's hands and setup? I have my own opinion and heard of others' but I wanted to hear yours too.
Initial impression was that Steve sounded good but could have cranked the amp a bit para mas rinig siya with the Baker. Arie got the volume to rise above the din but I noticed he gave up the Baker in favor of his Tele in the middle of the set so, yeah, naninibago nga siya. Gtr players are creatures of habit, after all, and that was a paying gig w/ a lot of people in the audience so...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 26, 2007, 01:01:57 PM
Deltaslim,
From where I was sitting you sounded the most prominent. I never missed hearing whatever you did from rhythm to lead lines and fills. Mas midrange ang tunog mo na in your face which I guess you wanted to be able to cut. However, hindi marinig si Steve and hindi ko rin marinig ang rhythm ni Arie. Though parang mas dynamic yata si arie who was using different volume levels. Still everything was ok together. Of course, on stage, it might be a different story na mas balanced kayo.
Prior to the start of your 2nd set, Arie had instructed me to give him his Tele for "Crazy Little Thing.." while he tried out the baker for the first 8 songs of the 2nd set. Amazingly, most of the tweaking was done with only the volume knobs of the Baker according to him. Wala pa siya sa pagtimpla ng tone controls, mixing in between positions and coil tap. He loved the part where he unexpectedly generated controlled feedback from the Baker without a huge amount of volume. Solid state amp lang ang gamit niya pero kaya ng Baker sumabay sa mga tube amp na halos minimal gain setting lang sa TS9. Hindi pa nga raw cranked ang amp niya.
--alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 26, 2007, 02:17:03 PM
From where I was sitting you sounded the most prominent. I never missed hearing whatever you did from rhythm to lead lines and fills. Mas midrange ang tunog mo na in your face which I guess you wanted to be able to cut. However, hindi marinig si Steve and hindi ko rin marinig ang rhythm ni Arie. Though parang mas dynamic yata si arie who was using different volume levels. Still everything was ok together. Of course, on stage, it might be a different story na mas balanced kayo.
Prior to the start of your 2nd set, Arie had instructed me to give him his Tele for "Crazy Little Thing.." while he tried out the baker for the first 8 songs of the 2nd set. Amazingly, most of the tweaking was done with only the volume knobs of the Baker according to him. Wala pa siya sa pagtimpla ng tone controls, mixing in between positions and coil tap. He loved the part where he unexpectedly generated controlled feedback from the Baker without a huge amount of volume. Solid state amp lang ang gamit niya pero kaya ng Baker sumabay sa mga tube amp na halos minimal gain setting lang sa TS9. Hindi pa nga raw cranked ang amp niya.
--alex
Yeah, important for me to cut through cuz many of my parts/solos need it. Lito and Arie would be the first to tell you that they like parts that like to be 'markado' and 'angat'. Add to that the challenge of having 3 guitars and 1 harp (plus bass and drums) all potentially fighting for sonic real estate. In that area, I live in the mids cuz Arie likes his Tele and Steve... well, you never know what gtr Steve might bring to a gig. :-) I was pretty much using my Nighthawks' vol control as remote as well. I would just choose which dirt box I'd use for a song leave it at that, unless the band got too loud and I'd have to kick in some boost for solos. All in all, I was very happy with my tone as well.
Actually, I'm sure Arie sounded louder at the end of the room cuz his amp was on an amp stand pointing up and out to the ceiling in the middle of the room. I sure could hear him well enough! To my ears I was playing a little less louder than Arie cuz my amp was on the clean channel, around 12noon volume, and on the floor -- which would have been pointing directly at you, ergo the impression of loudness... Steve's amp was sideways and he was sitting on it, making his legs like beam blockers. Would have liked him to crank that baby. Sayang - gusto ko pa naman marining ng cranked yung Bassman.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 26, 2007, 02:59:34 PM
Dunno so much about the setup (coz i wasnt there) but i did wanna share some things i noticed about the baker that might shed some light... i did play it for like 6plus hours straight .. hahahah. The Baker does not cut as much... and in that sense a les paul/ tele will definately be able to come out better than the baker because of their honkiness/quack. Its probably because the baker takes up alot of sonic real estate. Its got really sold bass and shimmering highs.. but is a little scooped in the middle. A 3 guitar band plus harp is probably not the best venue for a baker but is the perfect place for a good les paul and tele type guitar. What I really think the baker would be well suited for is a 1 guitar setup ... because it fills up the space.... Solo's will still feel empty but I had to crank my amp a bit to keep up with my bassist when i switched from LP to baker (during the time i had it). Its also really good by itself because it sounds "buo" if you know what i mean. Im sure you could EQ it to cut and maybe a tube screamer with a nice mid hump would do wonders in that situation ... but the guitars inherent characteristic is its full body ... and not cut/mid boost. (sory kung unsolicited ha... 2cents ko lang :D ).
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 26, 2007, 03:13:29 PM
Dunno so much about the setup (coz i wasnt there) but i did wanna share some things i noticed about the baker that might shed some light... i did play it for like 6plus hours straight .. hahahah. The Baker does not cut as much... and in that sense a les paul/ tele will definately be able to come out better than the baker because of their honkiness/quack. Its probably because the baker takes up alot of sonic real estate. Its got really sold bass and shimmering highs.. but is a little scooped in the middle. A 3 guitar band plus harp is probably not the best venue for a baker but is the perfect place for a good les paul and tele type guitar. What I really think the baker would be well suited for is a 1 guitar setup ... because it fills up the space.... Solo's will still feel empty but I had to crank my amp a bit to keep up with my bassist when i switched from LP to baker (during the time i had it). Its also really good by itself because it sounds "buo" if you know what i mean. Im sure you could EQ it to cut and maybe a tube screamer with a nice mid hump would do wonders in that situation ... but the guitars inherent characteristic is its full body ... and not cut/mid boost. (sory kung unsolicited ha... 2cents ko lang :D ).
That was actually great, insightful input, bro, and confirms some of my own observations/theories. At the end of the day, if you want to use a guitar in a band context--whether inexpensive or high end, it's all about finding your place in the sonic real estate.
It's possible the Baker has yet to match up with the right amp in a gig. What sounds good in the bedroom or in a studio may not be the best tone for a band context/live gig. What sounds good in a band context may sound awful in your bedroom by itself or with backing tracks.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 26, 2007, 03:31:37 PM
I forgot to give Arie the Herbert to match with the Baker .... Heh Heh which by the way remains to be his favorite amp to date. Maybe I will bring it next time for Odie, the harmonica player... :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on June 26, 2007, 03:35:59 PM
I forgot to give Arie the Herbert to match with the Baker .... Heh Heh which by the way remains to be his favorite amp to date. Maybe I will bring it next time for Odie, the harmonica player... :-D
Actually, I asked Arie if he was also borrowing an amp pero ayaw niya raw. Don't know why but I thought such a guitar deserves an amp of similar stature. :-)
Just my opinion... Kung tama si miks about the scooped-mids in the Baker, baka di bagay ang Herbert since, from what I remember, medyo scooped rin ang mids nun? Just a thought.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: tolits on June 27, 2007, 06:48:23 PM
Herbert can do the mid scooped thing pretty well and the fat mid thing somewhat better than a majority of a lot of amps. What vhunter forgot to tell you is that we tested my Baker B3 into my Herbert into his Mesa 4x12 cabinet and it just has enough power and punch to cut thru anything at any gigging situation.
Its is actually no problem matching the Baker B3 into all my amps because it is a balanced guitar in terms of frequency empahasis. From my perspecitve, ang mas scooped reference ni vhunter is because Class A amps in overdrive and Les Pauls tend to be accentuated in the mids. Just the same way that you are more accented in mids in your last gig at brothers moustache. If Arie had an orange overdrive 120 or matamp gto100, I am very sure that the Baker would out mid range everybody in the band.
But however, I just realized why the Baker B3 sounded more tamer when it shouldn't because of Buzz Feiten. Since there are less discordant notes, it is as if the notes sound more refined. As vhunter has told me, the Baker B3 is a Porsche while the Les Paul is more like a muscle car.
alex
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on June 27, 2007, 11:44:39 PM
, the Baker B3 is a Porsche while the Les Paul is more like a muscle car.
alex
Thus the brand Finely Tuned Instruments. Hahahaah... but seriously... i love that guitar. And i love that picoso .. catalinabread ... im like wtf ... exotic stuff even I havnt heard of that stuff.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on October 03, 2007, 11:48:13 AM
Hey guys, this is a long recording of our set. Hahahah. its about 20 minutes long. I used the Baker and a delay and a wah.
Its not a super recording but theres alot of elegee vs baker threads going on .. and I just wanted people to hear a slightly better recording and how the guitar reacts in a rock band setting.
Sorry you gotta register! I have no idea how to share 20mb files.
http://download.yousendit.com/CC334AA340FEC91B
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on October 03, 2007, 12:09:34 PM
Hey guys, this is a long recording of our set. Hahahah. its about 20 minutes long. I used the Baker and a delay and a wah.
Its not a super recording but theres alot of elegee vs baker threads going on .. and I just wanted people to hear a slightly better recording and how the guitar reacts in a rock band setting.
Sorry you gotta register! I have no idea how to share 20mb files.
http://download.yousendit.com/CC334AA340FEC91B
Cool music and great playing Miks. Humaba buhok ko bigla... :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: pansit_habhab on October 03, 2007, 01:31:30 PM
Wow, talaga sir? Magkano kaya halaga nitong baker?whew nakakajingle sa ganda!
...... I wouldn't be surprised. Bakers are really good guitars plus the price of those guitars don't depreciate. It would be a really good player's and collector's guitar.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: firemodel55 on October 03, 2007, 07:25:14 PM
PRSman,
Bakit nasa unahan ang Gustavsson sa picture? Heh heh
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: schenkerhead on October 04, 2007, 01:45:14 AM
congrats
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on October 04, 2007, 07:52:06 AM
Bakit nasa unahan ang Gustavsson sa picture? Heh heh
Kung i-force rank yung tatlo, I like the JG the best because (1) I play classic rock / blues-rock and it gives me that tone, (2) it's the lightest, and (3) I love the color.
I think the B3 is the most versatile though. It can get that heavy rock tone more than the JG can.
The Diablo is a completely different animal. Heavy, heavy, heavy rock tone.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on October 04, 2007, 08:07:10 AM
Ive been gassing for one. Hahaha. and i like the name! DIABLO
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: blues_stringer on October 04, 2007, 04:25:47 PM
lak en lol :evil: ganda
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: mrbrownstone on October 05, 2007, 11:06:02 AM
...you cannot really compare guitars from other guitars unless it's the same type..like a strat and a strat copy. It's like comparing pliers to a hammer....different tools for different application. A strat will never sound like an LP or a semi hollow. A Baker is just another different guitar.
korek! and even identical guitars with close serial numbers woudnt sound the same i think
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: xelalien on October 05, 2007, 12:57:55 PM
sound clip!
:D :D :D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Taoistguitarist on October 05, 2007, 01:16:32 PM
ganda ng tunog from what i gather sa vid. minsan tunog tele. ganda :mrgreen:
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: markthevirtuoso on October 05, 2007, 06:31:17 PM
probably expensive enough to make fingers twirl or something.
what? 4,5,6,7,8 k? $?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: alroyT on October 06, 2007, 12:18:38 AM
urrghh
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bendedbeam on October 06, 2007, 12:36:18 AM
It has zebra bobbins now, I thought it had chrome covers before? So the guitar must have been expensive because it was designed just for bending? I don't get it, am I missing something? The punchline I guess...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: vhunter on October 06, 2007, 01:27:11 AM
Man, alot of people are giving the baker a bad rap. I figured Id post one of our vids here where I did use the baker. Ill try to get more up soon.
Im also uploading some tracks to the soundclick site.. mostly baker tracks. Ill label them for you guys.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=720342 « Last Edit: Kahapon at 03:54:57 PM by vhunter »
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on October 06, 2007, 01:33:53 AM
Like I said... maraming heckler diyan ala barangay Ginebra. Funny nga naman si pareng Alex, but while I agree on his "areas for improvement", some comments being made by other forum members are just way out of line.
Miks -- I might be in Manila this Monday through next Saturday. Emergency trip. Pasubok ng #59! :-D
Alex -- Pasubok ng amps!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on October 06, 2007, 01:39:55 AM
a Baker B3 costs 4-5,000 US from what I remember. Its funny..you'd think that for that amount of money spent on a guitar you'd have the sense to spend just as much time and money learning to play a guitar - any guitar - first before plunking down that amount of cash. Call me odd but i find it silly to spend money on an instrument and then not use it as much or as well as I would like. When you start driving a car, you don't immediately get the best looking car to drive because you wouldn't care two sh*ts about how it handles, maneuvers or performs on the road. In this case, whether you put a Baker in the video or a $100 no-name POS guitar, I don't think the off-key bends and aimless noodling would have sounded any different. Hopefully, this guitar won't stay in a case as a trophy of sorts. It would be a shame not to play, gig and really dig into such a fine instrument, otherwise, it isn't going to be much more than an expensive paperweight.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: toybitz on October 06, 2007, 02:20:23 AM
I think we all deserve a good guitar, expensive or not, beginner or pro. Its a privilege for those who can afford.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on October 06, 2007, 02:41:58 AM
I think we all deserve a good guitar, expensive or not, beginner or pro. Its a privilege for those who can afford.
agreed. my point was - for all the puffery that this guitar has generated on the board, seeing the video and all the noodling and bending and ear pointing had me (and other people, apparently) asking: that was it? where is the beef? where is the actual playing? show me, Bayang Magiliw, mary had a little lamb...or Si Felimon..something. Fortunately, vhunter was able to provide better clips for y'all that were left wanting:) Kudos parekoy!
i don't doubt that the Baker is an amazing guitar but there had to be more substance for other people to get a better idea of what the guitar is all about. For all the heat it has around it, there had to be more to its sound than making it squeal like a pig giving birth.................well, maybe a small goat:)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bendedbeam on October 06, 2007, 05:45:11 AM
agreed. my point was - for all the puffery that this guitar has generated on the board, seeing the video and all the noodling and bending and ear pointing had me (and other people, apparently) asking: that was it? where is the beef? where is the actual playing? show me, Bayang Magiliw, mary had a little lamb...or Si Felimon..something. Fortunately, vhunter was able to provide better clips for y'all that were left wanting:) Kudos parekoy!
i don't doubt that the Baker is an amazing guitar but there had to be more substance for other people to get a better idea of what the guitar is all about. For all the heat it has around it, there had to be more to its sound than making it squeal like a pig giving birth.................well, maybe a small goat:)
Very well said, including your previous post. We buy the best out there because we want to sound good in practice and especially during gigs. But if you can't give justice to the price tag it would've been better if you spent more money and time on guitar lessons or whatever can help you improve your playing. That's why it's best to acquire gear by increments IMO. Maximize your current gear, if you've outgrown your guitar and it can't give you the evolved taste/sound you have in your head then move on. Ultimately you'll get the best for you, it may be $500 or $5000 still it's the BEST for you while you're at your BEST for it.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: alroyT on October 06, 2007, 06:29:07 AM
NR=1
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on October 06, 2007, 06:47:53 AM
But if you can't give justice to the price tag it would've been better if you spent more money and time on guitar lessons or whatever can help you improve your playing. That's why it's best to acquire gear by increments IMO.
What gives you the right to say what someone should do or not do with his money? It's his money -- he worked hard for it, and deserves to use it as he sees fit.
For argument's sake, let's say that Alex needed to be more "polite" on the forum. However, to say that he shouldn't have bought a Baker or doesn't deserve a Baker is completely wrong.
And who says that he's not taking lessons or trying to improve his playing?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Phil on October 06, 2007, 07:14:34 AM
:lol: this thread is still on going? I thought this topic is already old news...... what gives? BTW.... no one cannot dictate what someone should do unless your still a baby. peace.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: micr0chimp on October 06, 2007, 07:21:07 AM
Subjecting one's self to criticism and the possibility of ridicule by one's own actions, words and manner is a right everyone has. But the thought of going out of one's way to publicly humiliate a fellow human being?
A mob of stone-throwers is never a nice thing.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on October 06, 2007, 07:56:11 AM
Hopefully, this guitar won't stay in a case as a trophy of sorts. It would be a shame not to play, gig and really dig into such a fine instrument, otherwise, it isn't going to be much more than an expensive paperweight.
If he's not playing in it, maybe he's the manager... cuz he sure likes playing the part. ;-)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: IncX on October 06, 2007, 12:16:25 PM
oh well... whenever you post something online, you will always get hecklers. i had my share of hecklers on clips where i played a warwick. it did suck cause sometimes you feel ppl only diss you because your bass isnt really proportional to your playing skills in THAT particular clip.
i guess i was a bit shocked cause the baker was built up so much (by no other than oas) ... to the point where i began believing its a guitar that sounds like a dream. when i heard the clips, to be honest, i realize its all about the player. maybe 30% gear and 70% player.
the guitar will only sing when you have the ability to make it happen ... or else, be it a warwick, baker, suhr, alembic, etc. ... they wont be any different from low end ibanez's, yamahas, fenders, gibsons, etc. especially if you will just bend one string and ask ppl to "feel" the tone or something.
actually... there are times where my warwick's butt gets kicked by peavey grinds ... so that means i have to go back to the wood shed and reevaluate my playing again. hehe
-*-
for what its worth... you dont need guitar playing skills to own a godly guitar. you need money for that.
so if theres one thing oas is really good at ... its making money.
now, thats something i wanna have *lol*
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on October 06, 2007, 02:11:46 PM
For argument's sake, let's say that Alex needed to be more "polite" on the forum. However, to say that he shouldn't have bought a Baker or doesn't deserve a Baker is completely wrong.
very well said - i don't want to push the wrong idea that Alex or whoever else who can afford good gear doesn't deserve it because, hell, if we could all afford good gear, we'd get it by the truck loads! I really do believe that good gear does get you a long way but my main gripe was, the clip should have shown a little more playing to show what the Baker was about since most people got the impression that despite all the praises Alex had about the guitar, all you could really derive from the clip was that the guitar could bend notes. Yes, he doesn't HAVE to defend his purchase - why he chooses to spend money of stuff like that is his business - however, if one is posed with a question as to why he think something is great AND they respond with a lot of praises punctuating it with statements which are demeaning to other guitars...now, you'd better have something good to back those claims up otherwise all you've said is all a bag of hot air.
Being subjective about music, guitars and gear is a tough subject but when you choose to say that something is better than anything else AND you preface your threads with headlines like "The First Baker in the Philippines," or "The First Diezel Herbert in the Philippines," there has to be more substance to what you say (or do) to explain to people why you feel this way. You wouldn't be posting news of your latest acquisition on an internet forum if some part of you didn't want to share information on it, right? Bragging rights aside, you don't have to defend your purchase but, at the very least, explain why you got a particular impression in a good, clear and non-derogatory way. Now, I ain't asking you to play amazing riffs but, good lord, man, do play something that is made up of some coherent chords...something - anything - would be better than the nonsense noodling I heard.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on October 06, 2007, 02:20:54 PM
I really do believe that good gear does get you a long way but my main gripe was, the clip should have shown a little more playing to show what the Baker was about since most people got the impression that despite all the praises Alex had about the guitar, all you could really derive from the clip was that the guitar could bend notes. Yes, he doesn't HAVE to defend his purchase - why he chooses to spend money of stuff like that is his business - however, if one is posed with a question as to why he think something is great AND they respond with a lot of praises punctuating it with statements which are demeaning to other guitars...now, you'd better have something good to back those claims up otherwise all you've said is all a bag of hot air.
Being subjective about music, guitars and gear is a tough subject but when you choose to say that something is better than anything else AND you preface your threads with headlines like "The First Baker in the Philippines," or "The First Diezel Herbert in the Philippines," there has to be more substance to what you say (or do) to explain to people why you feel this way. You wouldn't be posting news of your latest acquisition on an internet forum if some part of you didn't want to share information on it, right? Bragging rights aside, you don't have to defend your purchase but, at the very least, explain why you got a particular impression in a good, clear and non-derogatory way. Now, I ain't asking you to play amazing riffs but, good lord, man, do play something that is made up of some coherent chords...something - anything - would be better than the nonsense noodling I heard.
IMO (from what I've read/understood), the issue here is this: the clip was not meant to be a demo of the Baker... or rather Alex did not intend to shoot a clip of himself demo-ing the Baker. Kinunan lang ata siya ni Jon for whatever reason. And that is why medyo nagkainitan yung dalawa because Jon floated it on the internet -- and that is also why Jon subsequently removed it while the rest of barangay Ginebra are still out there enjoying the heck out of it. Based on what I know of Alex -- all Philmusic/GC-based -- he would never create create a video of himself doing the demo.
Parang soap opera ano?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bluenote on October 06, 2007, 02:55:24 PM
IMO (from what I've read/understood), the issue here is this: the clip was not meant to be a demo of the Baker... or rather Alex did not intend to shoot a clip of himself demo-ing the Baker. Kinunan lang ata siya ni Jon for whatever reason. And that is why medyo nagkainitan yung dalawa because Jon floated it on the internet -- and that is also why Jon subsequently removed it while the rest of barangay Ginebra are still out there enjoying the heck out of it. Based on what I know of Alex -- all Philmusic/GC-based -- he would never create create a video of himself doing the demo.
Parang soap opera ano?
Bro ang alam ko meron na shang similar na videos before...
Jon always captures guys who test his guitars on video for personal reference if you can check out his youtube account makikita mo mo yung iba pang mga nag test ng guitars nya... I dont think Jon had any bad intentions.... Alex was also aware....
Pati nga pag repair ng guitara vinivideo ni Jon eh....
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on October 06, 2007, 03:15:29 PM
Bro ang alam ko meron na shang similar na videos before...
Jon always captures guys who test his guitars on video for personal reference if you can check out his youtube account makikita mo mo yung iba pang mga nag test ng guitars nya... I dont think Jon had any bad intentions.... Alex was also aware....
Pati nga pag repair ng guitara vinivideo ni Jon eh....
But in this case, Jon did not capture a video of Alex testing his guitar but of Alex playing some other guitar right? I full understand if a builder takes videos of his clients or prospective clients using his stuff in order to advertise his work. Pero what was the point of taking a video of Alex and his Baker?
BTW, nagpaalam ba si Jon kay Alex na i-post niya sa YouTube yung video? Or ang alam lang ba ni Alex is naka-video siya for Jon's use only?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on October 06, 2007, 03:16:40 PM
IMO (from what I've read/understood), the issue here is this: the clip was not meant to be a demo of the Baker... or rather Alex did not intend to shoot a clip of himself demo-ing the Baker. Kinunan lang ata siya ni Jon for whatever reason. And that is why medyo nagkainitan yung dalawa because Jon floated it on the internet -- and that is also why Jon subsequently removed it while the rest of barangay Ginebra are still out there enjoying the heck out of it. Based on what I know of Alex -- all Philmusic/GC-based -- he would never create create a video of himself doing the demo.
Parang soap opera ano?
uy..i didn't know that. yeah, it IS like a soap opera. i didn't know that it wasn't supposed to be a demo because from what the original posting inferred was that it was supposed to be a demo of sorts so, naturally, when I saw the clip I was like,"Huh? Where is the rest of it?"
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bluenote on October 06, 2007, 03:23:38 PM
But in this case, Jon did not capture a video of Alex testing his guitar but of Alex playing some other guitar right? I full understand if a builder takes videos of his clients or prospective clients using his stuff in order to advertise his work. Pero what was the point of taking a video of Alex and his Baker?
BTW, nagpaalam ba si Jon kay Alex na i-post niya sa YouTube yung video? Or ang alam lang ba ni Alex is naka-video siya for Jon's use only?
Actually adlawa yung tinest ni alex may video din sha na hawak nya yung guitara ni jon... Demo talaga yun kasi they were comparing the two guitars...
Kaya yun lumabas is to let the rest of us watch a sort of an A vs. B comparison...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: deltaslim on October 06, 2007, 04:12:07 PM
... however, if one is posed with a question as to why he think something is great AND they respond with a lot of praises punctuating it with statements which are demeaning to other guitars...now, you'd better have something good to back those claims up otherwise all you've said is all a bag of hot air.
Being subjective about music, guitars and gear is a tough subject but when you choose to say that something is better than anything else AND you preface your threads with headlines like "The First Baker in the Philippines," or "The First Diezel Herbert in the Philippines," there has to be more substance to what you say (or do) to explain to people why you feel this way. You wouldn't be posting news of your latest acquisition on an internet forum if some part of you didn't want to share information on it, right? Bragging rights aside, you don't have to defend your purchase but, at the very least, explain why you got a particular impression in a good, clear and non-derogatory way. Now, I ain't asking you to play amazing riffs but, good lord, man, do play something that is made up of some coherent chords...something - anything - would be better than the nonsense noodling I heard.
Well said. More important issue is credibility.
This has been my contention from Day One. Alex likes giving props to himself, his gear and, lately, even his skills... and he does it at the expense of others, me being his favorite (eg, "It's about time I showed I have better hands than deltaslim." - firemodel55). But I've seen him play in person even before this video came out and that's why IMO he has very little credibility when he critiques blues tone, blues playing, and ensemble blues sounds. Maybe he's a better judge of metal and metal players (as evidenced from his choice of amps), but I don't know that cuz I wouldn't call myself a good judge of that style. Hey, I'm just a blues player, right?
But it really make wonder if he really hears and knows what he claims in his posts. Obvious naman from his posts that he is often quoting from his mentors, idols, and gear websites/forums. Let me cite an example.
On that Elegee scandal video he attempts to demo that harmonic swirl and post attack-swell. I don't know what he's pointing at his ears for cuz it's not there. But many forumites can confirm that this test is an exact copy of what Arie does to test or demo guitars for that particular quality. Arie has the chops to do it; Alex doesn't. So is Alex just mouthing off Arie? How much of what Alex says is based on personal experience if he can't play and prove it in a demo himself? The fact that he points to his ears as if to ask if Jon hears what he is hearing is, well, funny, sad, and ridiculous all at the same time. To me, that's outright proof that he's listening with his ego, not with his ears.
It's ok to buy/collect expensive gear. But next time he brags that his stuff kills everything else, maybe he should just include footnotes citing his references cuz I seriously doubt that he has personal knowledge or proof for his claims. Or maybe ask someone else to demo/test it to prove his claims about his gear's virtues. Miks video and soundclips do a better job proving his point.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: kawal on October 06, 2007, 04:53:26 PM
a Baker B3 costs 4-5,000 US from what I remember. Its funny..you'd think that for that amount of money spent on a guitar you'd have the sense to spend just as much time and money learning to play a guitar - any guitar - first before plunking down that amount of cash. Call me odd but i find it silly to spend money on an instrument and then not use it as much or as well as I would like. When you start driving a car, you don't immediately get the best looking car to drive because you wouldn't care two sh*ts about how it handles, maneuvers or performs on the road. In this case, whether you put a Baker in the video or a $100 no-name POS guitar, I don't think the off-key bends and aimless noodling would have sounded any different. Hopefully, this guitar won't stay in a case as a trophy of sorts. It would be a shame not to play, gig and really dig into such a fine instrument, otherwise, it isn't going to be much more than an expensive paperweight.
+10 wheehw... after 9 pages ng pagbabasa (seriously, binasa ko lahat ng pages ng thread from the start), may naka-isip din ng ganitong comment.
opinyon ko, kung elibs ka dahil maganda talaga ang tunog ng gitara mo, and you're saying na forget fender or gibson custom shop guitars dahil hindi mo ipagpapalit ang gitara mo, make sure na hindi ito maluluma sa hardcase lang or maluluma kakagamit ng ibang gitarista. remember that buying a fine instrument, like this guitar, is just the start of the process. kumbaga, hindi pa yun yung celebration nung napakagandang gitara na yon. the real deal is the part where you make-love to it, and how you enjoy making it moan and crankin it up to your (also) fine amp. take note: "you" at hindi "others". well, unless binili mo yung gitara mo para i-display sa bahay nyo or para lang sabihin sa isang musician's thread (oy wala akong sinabing talk.philmusic.com ah) na meron kang malupet na gitara. oo nga, meron akong gitarang maganda - custom made, tapos panalo ang tone, tapos nakakabit sa Diezel tube amp (using Two-Rock Crystal Cable pa!), tapos na-test na ng sikat na luthiers at critics, tapos eto na yung clips at ganito sya mag-bend.. tapos? - a question that could be answered by none other than ______. alam nyo na..
* uy palindrome pala yung "wheehw", ngayon ko lang napansin. usually kasi hanggang lol at brb lang ako eh. :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bluenote on October 06, 2007, 05:04:04 PM
This has been my contention from Day One. Alex likes giving props to himself, his gear and, lately, even his skills... and he does it at the expense of others, me being his favorite (eg, "It's about time I showed I have better hands than deltaslim." - firemodel55). But I've seen him play in person even before this video came out and that's why IMO he has very little credibility when he critiques blues tone, blues playing, and ensemble blues sounds. Maybe he's a better judge of metal and metal players (as evidenced from his choice of amps), but I don't know that cuz I wouldn't call myself a good judge of that style. Hey, I'm just a blues player, right?
But it really make wonder if he really hears and knows what he claims in his posts. Obvious naman from his posts that he is often quoting from his mentors, idols, and gear websites/forums. Let me cite an example.
On that Elegee scandal video he attempts to demo that harmonic swirl and post attack-swell. I don't know what he's pointing at his ears for cuz it's not there. But many forumites can confirm that this test is an exact copy of what Arie does to test or demo guitars for that particular quality. Arie has the chops to do it; Alex doesn't. So is Alex just mouthing off Arie? How much of what Alex says is based on personal experience if he can't play and prove it in a demo himself? The fact that he points to his ears as if to ask if Jon hears what he is hearing is, well, funny, sad, and ridiculous all at the same time. To me, that's outright proof that he's listening with his ego, not with his ears.
It's ok to buy/collect expensive gear. But next time he brags that his stuff kills everything else, maybe he should just include footnotes citing his references cuz I seriously doubt that he has personal knowledge or proof for his claims. Or maybe ask someone else to demo/test it to prove his claims about his gear's virtues. Miks video and soundclips do a better job proving his point.
Ito na mismo yung sinasabi ko nuon sa thread na yun.... Bulls eye!
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: turiguiliano on October 06, 2007, 05:40:15 PM
Actually adlawa yung tinest ni alex may video din sha na hawak nya yung guitara ni jon... Demo talaga yun kasi they were comparing the two guitars...
Kaya yun lumabas is to let the rest of us watch a sort of an A vs. B comparison...
Siyempre he tried both guitars -- kaya nga siya inimbita ni Jon di ba? From that standpoint, oo, "demo" nga yun.
But you're missing the point. That was not meant "to let the rest of us watch a sort of an A vs. B comparison" right?
Dude, kung ikaw may bad hair day sa pag-gigitara -- although madalang lang siguro ito kasi professional ka na -- and someone took a video of it and distributed it WITHOUT your knowledge... anong magiging reaction mo? And what would you think of people trying to defend the position of the person who distributed the video?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bendedbeam on October 06, 2007, 10:41:38 PM
What gives you the right to say what someone should do or not do with his money? It's his money -- he worked hard for it, and deserves to use it as he sees fit.
For argument's sake, let's say that Alex needed to be more "polite" on the forum. However, to say that he shouldn't have bought a Baker or doesn't deserve a Baker is completely wrong.
And who says that he's not taking lessons or trying to improve his playing?
Hmmm, I'm entitled to my opinion. This is how I perceive things and just posted it. I apologize it sounded offensive to you, but he built so much hype around the B3 and has set the level of expectations to an all-time high. I've seen posts wherein you can't even imagine how he was able to insert his B3 having character to a topic which is almost unrelated. I'm sure you're aware of this. Good, if he's taking lessons. Then he needs to concentrate on it, spend more time instead of stomping over people because of tone inferiority. Again IMO (best overused disclaimer, ehehe!!!)
Peace.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: IncX on October 07, 2007, 12:23:34 AM
i guess my main gripe with oas was that he claimed that his baker is superior to all other guitars... and someone said its all about taste, he countered it by saying "yes its all about taste and all taste point towards my baker" ... those are not his exact words but thats what he meant. thats a pretty heavy claim.
so i can understand that ppl are having a field day laughing at oas and that clip ... because oas had a field day bashing everyone elses guitars and their taste for that matter. he ddnt explicitly say "you suck" ... but you cant help but feel "wow... my guitar actually sucks based on what oas said"
i watched the other clips ... and i guess i can rest easy... yes the baker sounds good, but it did not really give me a gas attack nor a desire to get a guitar in that price range. for me, the baker is a normal good sounding guitar... and ive heard normal good sounding guitars in the 40K php range.
in oas' book, i probably have bad taste, hehehe... but then again, i guess not all taste point towards the baker after all.
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and yeah, its kinda too easy to flame oas and stuff... so i guess we should give it a rest. this will be my last "sorta flame" post.
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oas, release a kick-a** blues album... its not my choice of music... but i enjoy good ones (like that i heard from perf)
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and i disagree that oas "maybe" a better judge of metal tone, hehehe... if he was, he would have been palm muting an E5 chord in that clip. i mean, i would... even if i was playing thru a fender bassman 59 or a bad monkey thru a solid state amp. metal players test their guitars thru palm muting... shredders test em by running down some fast screaming licks. alternative guys test guitars by strumming chords. blues guys test by bending notes (hmmm) ...
:p
i was kidding. those are just popular stereotypes... not necessarily true
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: xjepoyx on October 07, 2007, 12:33:53 AM
san na si alex?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Poundcake on October 07, 2007, 01:08:48 AM
i guess my main gripe with oas was that he claimed that his baker is superior to all other guitars... and someone said its all about taste, he countered it by saying "yes its all about taste and all taste point towards my baker" ... those are not his exact words but thats what he meant. thats a pretty heavy claim.
so i can understand that ppl are having a field day laughing at oas and that clip ... because oas had a field day bashing everyone elses guitars and their taste for that matter. he ddnt explicitly say "you suck" ... but you cant help but feel "wow... my guitar actually sucks based on what oas said"
i watched the other clips ... and i guess i can rest easy... yes the baker sounds good, but it did not really give me a gas attack nor a desire to get a guitar in that price range. for me, the baker is a normal good sounding guitar... and ive heard normal good sounding guitars in the 40K php range.
in oas' book, i probably have bad taste, hehehe... but then again, i guess not all taste point towards the baker after all.
-*-
and yeah, its kinda too easy to flame oas and stuff... so i guess we should give it a rest. this will be my last "sorta flame" post.
-*-
oas, release a kick-a** blues album... its not my choice of music... but i enjoy good ones (like that i heard from perf)
-*-
and i disagree that oas "maybe" a better judge of metal tone, hehehe... if he was, he would have been palm muting an E5 chord in that clip. i mean, i would... even if i was playing thru a fender bassman 59 or a bad monkey thru a solid state amp. metal players test their guitars thru palm muting... shredders test em by running down some fast screaming licks. alternative guys test guitars by strumming chords. blues guys test by bending notes (hmmm) ...
:p
i was kidding. those are just popular stereotypes... not necessarily true
Nagpalm mute naman si Alex nung tinest nya yung PRS Tribute guitar ah hehe :)
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: Kulas on October 07, 2007, 01:43:57 AM
grabe pinag-aawayan si alex ah. he must feel really special, hehe.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: firemodel55 on October 07, 2007, 01:51:45 AM
Deltaslim,
This is about the Baker and not about my chops. And never did I claim to ever be a blues player.
If you want to start this again, just say so...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: firemodel55 on October 07, 2007, 02:15:40 AM
Again, I will say this... the Elegee PRS Tribute Guitar is ok for its price and will sound better than a number of PRS USA guitars. But the Baker is far far superior to it in almost all aspects except the 21st fret.
Now those are two statements. If you believe in one, then you also have to believe the other. If you do not believe in one then you cannot believe the other because I say it from one integral perspective. And nothing I do can ever convince you that I am credible. But how can a great number of you be more credible on this issue if so very few of you own an Elegee PRS Tribute guitar or even a Baker?
For you guys, who like to slam me, why dont you guys buy an Elegee PRS Tribute Guitar for P60,000? Ang daming nagmagaling sa clips pero hindi man bumili ng Elegee PRS Tribute Guitar. When was the last time you bought a guitar on the basis of sound clips? I know some people use looks as the sole basis of purchase but sound clips? I have never heard anyone buy a guitar solely on sound clips.
But the fact remains, five guys and I tested both guitars and four of them were Jon's friends who were impressed with the Baker. And as I said, I was impressed with the Elegee PRS Tribute because I liked it better than a number of dead sounding PRS USA.
This is not a matter of putting down other gear but really extolling the best. As I said before, none of my other guitars will remain with me because the Baker#55 beat all of them. Its simple really, if you feel bad that I made your gear look bad then all I can say is that you are also uncertain and insecure on whether your own gear sounds great. Because somebody who believes that his own gear sounds great will not be threatened by a Baker without trying it.
I do not feel special. I am just here to post my personal opinion on the matter.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: firemodel55 on October 07, 2007, 02:36:06 AM
Following ang logic niyo na hindi maganda ang Baker dahil walang credibility ako, paano na si Robben Ford at credibility ni Gene Baker who is praised by so many for his guitars?
Sino ba si psychic sushi compared to Robben Ford sa playing? Ilan ba sa inyo willing to say na mas magaling si Psychic Sushi kay Robben Ford? Kung sabihin niyo na taste iyan bakit bilib kayo sa aminadong strat player na purihan ang isang PRS guitar. Dapat kumuha kayo ng isang PRS USA player pare magdemo at masabi na mas sulit ang Elegee PRS Tribute guitar.
Sino ba si Jon compared to Gene Baker? Ilan ba sa inyo are willing to say na mas maraming nabebentang P60,000 na gitara si Jon kaysa sa mga US$5,000 na gitara na nabebenta ni Gene? Kung sabihin niyo na ulol ang mga Amerikano na nagaaksaya na pera sa Baker, bakit hindi kayo bumili ngayon ng P60,000 na Elegee guitar of any type?
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on October 07, 2007, 03:34:02 AM
Following ang logic niyo na hindi maganda ang Baker dahil walang credibility ako, paano na si Robben Ford at credibility ni Gene Baker who is praised by so many for his guitars?
Sino ba si psychic sushi compared to Robben Ford sa playing? Ilan ba sa inyo willing to say na mas magaling si Psychic Sushi kay Robben Ford? Kung sabihin niyo na taste iyan bakit bilib kayo sa aminadong strat player na purihan ang isang PRS guitar. Dapat kumuha kayo ng isang PRS USA player pare magdemo at masabi na mas sulit ang Elegee PRS Tribute guitar.
Sino ba si Jon compared to Gene Baker? Ilan ba sa inyo are willing to say na mas maraming nabebentang P60,000 na gitara si Jon kaysa sa mga US$5,000 na gitara na nabebenta ni Gene? Kung sabihin niyo na ulol ang mga Amerikano na nagaaksaya na pera sa Baker, bakit hindi kayo bumili ngayon ng P60,000 na Elegee guitar of any type?
i...don't...follow. so we should just look to Robben Ford and Gene Baker to buttress your opinion on a guitar? It seems to me that you are saying this: I have a Baker. I have tried a PRS tribute. I like one over the other for specific reasons because I believe there are a lot of dead sounding PRS USA guitars out there yet I can't play so, please, refer to these other people who play better since I can't demonstrate the argument I just provided.
As far as logistics for purchasing Bakers over Elegee's, I would guess that the reason why people buy more Elegee's over Baker guitars is the sheer difference in cost and the value for the money you pay. I don't know about you but comparing a $5,000 US guitar to its monetary equivalent in pesos currency is like 250,000 pesos. Now, it doesn't take an economics degree to say that comparing a guitar that costs 60,000 with a US guitar worth 250,000 pesos is, well, unfair on many levels because although Jon is an up and coming luthier, he doesn't have as much experience as Gene Baker does as a craftsman.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: bluenote on October 07, 2007, 08:06:19 AM
Siyempre he tried both guitars -- kaya nga siya inimbita ni Jon di ba? From that standpoint, oo, "demo" nga yun.
But you're missing the point. That was not meant "to let the rest of us watch a sort of an A vs. B comparison" right?
Dude, kung ikaw may bad hair day sa pag-gigitara -- although madalang lang siguro ito kasi professional ka na -- and someone took a video of it and distributed it WITHOUT your knowledge... anong magiging reaction mo? And what would you think of people trying to defend the position of the person who distributed the video?
Ok lang kasi alam ko naman na vinideo eh... Yes it was meant to be a comparison.... :-D
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: abyssinianson on October 07, 2007, 08:39:48 AM
Siyempre he tried both guitars -- kaya nga siya inimbita ni Jon di ba? From that standpoint, oo, "demo" nga yun.
But you're missing the point. That was not meant "to let the rest of us watch a sort of an A vs. B comparison" right?
Dude, kung ikaw may bad hair day sa pag-gigitara -- although madalang lang siguro ito kasi professional ka na -- and someone took a video of it and distributed it WITHOUT your knowledge... anong magiging reaction mo? And what would you think of people trying to defend the position of the person who distributed the video?
This is about the Baker and not about my chops. And never did I claim to ever be a blues player...
Magbasa ka nga...
I was talking about your credibility; your lack of chops only helped to prove your credibility is in doubt. The reason your credibility got into question is because, in that case, you claim to hear something that ONLY YOU could hear. You were pointing to your ears to demonstrate that elusive swirl/swell. I and many others didn't hear it. What gives?
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If you want to start this again, just say so...
Oooh... I'm quaking in my boots! Don't bother making any more challenges. Instead of making challenges and improving your typing skills behind your PC, why not spend time woodshedding instead so that you'll gain more credibility next time you wanna claim things that only you can hear in your bedroom.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: xjepoyx on October 07, 2007, 10:18:48 AM
LOL! 5000 dollar guitar with lots of deadnotes (secret)
hehe
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: alroyT on October 07, 2007, 11:25:32 AM
man the onslaught continues...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: PRSMan on October 07, 2007, 01:18:39 PM
ay buhay. give up na ako sa yo pre. re-read all your arguments, and if you think you have a point, so be it.
Hey man kung ako ang nasa ganung sitwasyon na alam kong magiging katawatawa ako bakit naman ako mag papa kuha ng video...
Alam nyang kinukunan sha ng video bakit sha pumayag? hindi naman hiden camera ang ginamit eh...
So what are you trying to say then? Na kawawa naman si Alex dahil sa nangyari?
He allowed himself to be in that position... He had it comming cause he is always trying to prove something...
Wala naman silang pinag usapan na hindi pwedeng ilabas ang video dba?...
If you re-read all my arguments from the previous thread you'll see that what I was saying was almost exactly what deltaslim is trying to say about alex's credibility kaya nga sabi ko bulls eye...
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: skunkyfunk on October 07, 2007, 05:21:10 PM
Holy fcuk! I never knew how much ridicule someone else is getting here. Kinda missed out on this thread... Just for the record, Alex played some lines when he was at Shinji's studio during the mini-EB for the MTPA forum, yet no one bothers to ask for those clips, which are far more "listenable" than those bends (which are kinda killing my ears if you ask me...)
But I know that these bends that you see in the video were done with a purpose... To show how a guitar can sustain a note and at the same time maintain a certain wail that I cannot describe... (it totally transcends the verbal realm.) I just know that a bad guitar cannot nail that wail I am talking about... Arie taught me a few pointers on how to test a guitar and this is just one of the methods he taught me.
Just a few things I want to share:
1. ANY youtube video is guaranteed lo-fi, kahit direct rip pa yan sa DVD. Because the flv format is lossy especially on the audio side (which is the standard format for youtube). 2. ANY recording, even the best audiophile recordings, are ALWAYS less than perfect reproductions of the source. this is why different miking techniques, outboard equipment, and all those theories in practice in the studio were invented, and they all come into play depending on the recording situation. There are some nuances that mics, A/D converters (or tape) that cannot be represented perfectly. 3. Granting, that you have a PERFECT (yes PERFECT) recording of the source, you also need a PERFECT PLAYBACK SYSTEM. 4. A bad player, no matter how great the gear is, would sound bad. Don't blame a $20k axe and a $15k amp and call it "unworthy of its price" if the playing was done by a bad player. 5. Alex, you need to get your chops together, but I still see your point in this video. (See above.) So better come up with something more interesting and listenable. THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE CAN RELATE TO. Although, I deem that this video is not representative of your playing skills. based on the very few times I've seen you play, I think you're not that bad a player, but definitely not bordering on virtuosity.
And yes, credibility belongs to those who can play. That is why gear manufacturers would rather spend on endorsers, than build up a mass information campaign on their indispensable tone gurus' designs.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: skunkyfunk on October 07, 2007, 05:53:52 PM
On credibility:
Who would you rather believe? A rich man saying he's holding a 24K gold necklace? Or a poor man saying he's holding a 24K gold necklace?
If you really wanna know who is saying the truth, you do not pick on the person's social status. Doesn't mean that because one is rich, means he cannot dupe you into thinking he has a 24K gold necklace, when it is an immitation.
On the other hand, it doesn't mean that because a poor man is saying "24K gold itong kuwintas na ito" means he is not telling the truth. Maybe some of you would tell the poor man, "Paano mo nasabi na totoong ginto yan? May pambili ka ba ng mga alahas?" Ano ang karanasan mo sa paghawak ng alahas?"
Now if you really wanna know who tells the truth, run the fire test on the necklace, NOT on the person.
Title: Re: First Ever Baker B3 in Manila!!!
Post by: nathanmanansala on October 07, 2007, 06:04:28 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/nathanmanansala/smileys/rotflmao.gif) grown men arguing about guitars (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/nathanmanansala/smileys/jerkit.gif) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/nathanmanansala/smileys/rotflmao.gif)