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The Musician Forums => Guitar Central => Topic started by: hetfield_2k2 on April 26, 2013, 03:31:54 AM
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HOW TO SETUP ANY MULTI GUITAR EFFECTS PROCESSOR… THIS IS JUST A CONCEPT SMART ASS ^_^
A few years back when I was still a noob with guitars and FX (as if I'm a master now), I had a hard time finding my own tone. From the very start I was exposed to multi-fx processors (sorry to the stomp box purists) and man it was like hell setting things up because I was just turning the knobs left and right, pushing buttons, scrolling through the menus and all those [gooey brown stuff] stuff that you have to go through when you have a new toy. From a Korg Toneworks G3, Zoom GFX5, Zoom GFX8, Zoom G2.1nu, Vox Tonelab SE, then the Boss ME-70.
It was with the Boss ME70 that I was enlightened of how things really work. The Boss ME70 was fairly simple to use (yeah it has a lot of knobs that you just dial and all the things you need to choose are there, I don’t know if that’s not simple enough for you) and it has this diagram of how the effects chain works. Right after the Boss ME-70, I got hold of a Nux MFX-10 (I said what the [strawberry] did I get myself). Nux is kinda new to the effects world (that’s what I know but from the things I saw on their manual this company is like owned by Cherub, well correct me if I’m wrong). It was actually with this unit that I first read a user’s manual (yeah I was like McGuyver and didn’t need to read the manuals). Whenever I go to the comfort room and take a [gooey brown stuff], I carry with me the Nux MFX-10 user’s manual [strawberry] yeah it’s great reading when you’re taking a [gooey brown stuff]). Then what do you know, I learned a lot from the manual!!! It was then that I knew about pre-amps, cabs, modulations, reverbs, and all of the effects that you’d need to create your own sound. Different types of amplifiers and cabinets (that’s speaker type for those who don’t know) are being simulated by the multi-fx processor. I did not just read how to operate the unit, but I read more on the amp models that the processor is simulating. I read each of the amp models description and how to get the best out of them.
Right after the Nux MFX-10 I got myself a Digitech RP1000 and man it only took me like 2 hours to study that thingy and setup the tones I really want. After the RP1000 I now have the Behringer V-AMP2 which is a pain in the ass at first coz the architecture is very strange. Currently I’m holding a Behringer V-AMP2 and a Boss ME-70. I use the V-AMP2 for my amp models (yes I like the amp modeling of the V-AMP2 more than the ME-70), and the ME-70 is connected to it like a stomp box. So now I have 2 multi-fx at my disposal with gazillions of tones to put out. Now I’m having second thoughts of selling these toys ^_^.
Here’s a few tips to those having a hard time setting up their multi-fx (and also to those who are planning to get one):
In choosing a multi-fx:
1. Read reviews and learn from other’s views and ideas. Just remember that their ideas are not the same as yours and don’t get dissuaded by their words. Just get ideas and digest them afterwards.
2. Read the user’s manual. Even if you don’t have the unit yet and are still planning to buy one, I’d advice you read the user’s manual. Go to the section where you can read the FX that the unit has and what amp and cab models it simulates. If you don’t have any freaking idea what the amp models are, you always have youtube that you can go to and hear the sounds being simulated by the multi-fx.
3. If you can think you can use at least 70-80% of all the stuff that the multi-fx has then go for it. Otherwise stick to stomp boxes and buy the expensive amps you like.
In setting up a multi-fx:
1. Choose the amp/cab models. Tweak it to your favored sound. The amp/cab simulation will be the base of your sound so this would have to be the first that you need to setup.
2. Add the fx you want on the chain: Compressor-Drive-Modulation/Delay-Reverb-Wah and tweak.
There are so many people saying that their multi-fx is like crap, but in reality most of them just don’t understand and they don’t know how to tweak it well. Worst is that they don’t have the patience to learn more about their new toy and then just end up selling it coz they don’t like it.
That’s how simple it is. But as I said it’s still best to go over the user’s manual and you’ll find tons of stuff you didn’t even know it existed. We’re just too lazy to read.
Best of all… Carry the manual with you when you take a crap ^_^ Cheers!
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with the multi effects units i have been able to use so far one thing seems to be apparent: they've been designed in such a way that you can plug them straight into a mixer and skip the use of a dedicated guitar amp. this means that the amp sims in such models need to be as "smooth" as possible to minimize transients that might damage PA systems.
the tradeoff is that if you plug the multis into actual guitar amps and compared them side by side with analog stompboxes, you'd find that the multis seem to feel "flat" whereas the stomps interact more strongly with the amps' preamp section, and will consequently sound more natural than the multi versions.
thankfully, there are workarounds. creative yet judicious use of the provided eq can bring back some of the interaction with the amp described earlier. in models with speaker simulations, these can be turned off as well.
the best solution (though slightly more difficult) i have come up with involves an a/b box and borrowing a friend's analog stomps. first you try to get your base guitar tone using the stomps, and then duplicate the same tone and response you get from the stomps on the multi using the a/b box to switch between the two signal routs.
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maganda ba ang kalalabasan pag:
guitar>analog(wah>phaser>OD>dist)>digital(set yung preamp, amp modeling and cable, modulation, delay at reverb)>PA system
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If your amp is crap... use the fx/loop and let the magic of the multi fx amp simulation work for you :-D :-D :-D
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bale po ba ganito:
guitar>analog>input ng ampli>send fx>digital>return fx
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bale po ba ganito:
guitar>analog>input ng ampli>send fx>digital>return fx
???
puwedeng ganito
guitar-multi-return on amp
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akala ko po ba yung amplifier kelangan nakasaksak rin ang send at yung input?
pwede po pala sa return lang isaksak?
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akala ko po ba yung amplifier kelangan nakasaksak rin ang send at yung input?
pwede po pala sa return lang isaksak?
yes puwede... example is me70 na wala naman send return... so yung output sa me70 isaksak mo lang sa return ng amp ok ka na... bypass mo na yung amplifier hehehe
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with the multi effects units i have been able to use so far one thing seems to be apparent: they've been designed in such a way that you can plug them straight into a mixer and skip the use of a dedicated guitar amp. this means that the amp sims in such models need to be as "smooth" as possible to minimize transients that might damage PA systems.
the tradeoff is that if you plug the multis into actual guitar amps and compared them side by side with analog stompboxes, you'd find that the multis seem to feel "flat" whereas the stomps interact more strongly with the amps' preamp section, and will consequently sound more natural than the multi versions.
thankfully, there are workarounds. creative yet judicious use of the provided eq can bring back some of the interaction with the amp described earlier. in models with speaker simulations, these can be turned off as well.
the best solution (though slightly more difficult) i have come up with involves an a/b box and borrowing a friend's analog stomps. first you try to get your base guitar tone using the stomps, and then duplicate the same tone and response you get from the stomps on the multi using the a/b box to switch between the two signal routs.
This is not the case anymore with the Fractal AxeFx2.
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I tried this one but never worked well - guitar -> hm200 - > G1x - > Amplifier...what do you think sir/s is the problem with my set up? maingay siya masyado, nilagay ko na nga sa pinakaminimum yung level tapos gain ng HM200, maingay pa din siya...
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This is not the case anymore with the Fractal AxeFx2.
sir ibang usapan na yung fractal... its the creme dela creme of multi’s hehehe... hindi talaga macocompare yung mga floor based processors sa fractal
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I tried this one but never worked well - guitar -> hm200 - > G1x - > Amplifier...what do you think sir/s is the problem with my set up? maingay siya masyado, nilagay ko na nga sa pinakaminimum yung level tapos gain ng HM200, maingay pa din siya...
sir try this:
guitar-hm100-g1x-amp
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Try setting the amp at neutral settings and start with the gain at minimum kasi yung kinakabit na drive pedals sa front parang additional gain stage sa amp, also record the sound coming out kung sapat na sa gain for the mix, madalas ay naghahanap tayo ng too much gain pero di natin kailangan, ang nagyayari sobrang mushy ang results. kung may amp sims yung multi, try using the return stage ng effects if your amp has one para di maghalo yung character ng amp sim at ng preamp, basically your amp acts as the power section for the amp sim kasi bypassed na yung preamp stage niya..
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Try setting the amp at neutral settings and start with the gain at minimum kasi yung kinakabit na drive pedals sa front parang additional gain stage sa amp, also record the sound coming out kung sapat na sa gain for the mix, madalas ay naghahanap tayo ng too much gain pero di natin kailangan, ang nagyayari sobrang mushy ang results. kung may amp sims yung multi, try using the return stage ng effects if your amp has one para di maghalo yung character ng amp sim at ng preamp, basically your amp acts as the power section for the amp sim kasi bypassed na yung preamp stage niya..
take this advise and try tge connection i told you... experementing will lead you to the tone you like
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yes puwede... example is me70 na wala naman send return... so yung output sa me70 isaksak mo lang sa return ng amp ok ka na... bypass mo na yung amplifier hehehe
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the bolded phrase po ba means patayin yung switch?
(sorry po sir, nalilito lang po ako)
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the bolded phrase po ba means patayin yung switch?
(sorry po sir, nalilito lang po ako)
lets do an example.
1. guitar connected straight to input of amp
2. guitar connected to return of amp
subukan mo yung dalawang connection na yan and you will notice the difference. connection 1 may amplification. connection 2 raw sound ng guitar mo.
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lets do an example.
1. guitar connected straight to input of amp
2. guitar connected to return of amp
subukan mo yung dalawang connection na yan and you will notice the difference. connection 1 may amplification. connection 2 raw sound ng guitar mo.
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ah, OK po. nasubukan ko po yung no, 2 nun pero umuugong sya (ibang klaseng feedback)..
nasa rehearsal studio po kami nun kaya di ko pa na-troubleshoot.
try ko po ule. practice amp lang ang meron sa bahay, walang 2 pang loop
thanks po.
:)
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Does this mean that for multi-fx to be really dug in, mandatory na kukuha ka ng amp na effect loop?
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Does this mean that for multi-fx to be really dug in, mandatory na kukuha ka ng amp na effect loop?
not necessarily... but it would be nice to have an fx loop
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The best way for multis to really shine is to plug them straight to powered monitors or direct to PA. Pag sa guitar amp kasi nakukulayan pa. And yun nga not all amps have fx loop.
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The best way for multis to really shine is to plug them straight to powered monitors or direct to PA. Pag sa guitar amp kasi nakukulayan pa. And yun nga not all amps have fx loop.
pwede sir rey saksak nalang sa power amp+cab? para rack+cab nalang? haha!
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pwede sir rey saksak nalang sa power amp+cab? para rack+cab nalang? haha!
Yep puwede yan Rem. Ginawa ko na yan dati sa Eleven Rack into a Mesa Boogie 2:90 power amp plus Cab. Maganda kung sa maganda ang tone, pero iba ang brilyo ng multis pag direct talaga. Defeated kasi ang purpose ng modelling kung sa guitar amp ka magsasaksak.
But then again, dapat babad ang tenga mo sa "cd quality" tone pag nag powered monitors/direct to PA route ka. Misinterpreted kasi na manipis agad ang multis pag direct pero ang hindi alam ng guitar players e hindi lang sila sanay sa cd quality tone kasi for the longest time "amp in the room" tone ang naririnig nila.
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When I was a total noob when it comes to using my multi, I pretty much used presets up until I knew how to make my own settings. But it is not until recently I, in a way, used the true potential of my multi. Personally I love using the FX/Loop of the amps so I pretty much get what I made from my multi-effects. BTW Korg AX1500G user here :)
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But then again, dapat babad ang tenga mo sa "cd quality" tone pag nag powered monitors/direct to PA route ka. Misinterpreted kasi na manipis agad ang multis pag direct pero ang hindi alam ng guitar players e hindi lang sila sanay sa cd quality tone kasi for the longest time "amp in the room" tone ang naririnig nila.
That is an excellent point.
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Yep puwede yan Rem. Ginawa ko na yan dati sa Eleven Rack into a Mesa Boogie 2:90 power amp plus Cab. Maganda kung sa maganda ang tone, pero iba ang brilyo ng multis pag direct talaga. Defeated kasi ang purpose ng modelling kung sa guitar amp ka magsasaksak.
But then again, dapat babad ang tenga mo sa "cd quality" tone pag nag powered monitors/direct to PA route ka. Misinterpreted kasi na manipis agad ang multis pag direct pero ang hindi alam ng guitar players e hindi lang sila sanay sa cd quality tone kasi for the longest time "amp in the room" tone ang naririnig nila.
Sabagay.. Parang nasanay sa natural room reverb. Anyways, kainggit yung pangalawang kumuha ng axefx2 kay jef hahahaha!!
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The best way for multis to really shine is to plug them straight to powered monitors or direct to PA. Pag sa guitar amp kasi nakukulayan pa. And yun nga not all amps have fx loop.
exactly... dahil may sariling simulation ang multi
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yes puwede... example is me70 na wala naman send return... so yung output sa me70 isaksak mo lang sa return ng amp ok ka na... bypass mo na yung amplifier hehehe
Noob question: applicable ba to sa Zoom MS50G na wala ring send return? Kaya pala hindi ko maapreciate yung sound ng amp sim sa amp, kailangan pala i-bypass. Nice info.
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Noob question: applicable ba to sa Zoom MS50G na wala ring send return? Kaya pala hindi ko maapreciate yung sound ng amp sim sa amp, kailangan pala i-bypass. Nice info.
puwede sir... kahit ordinary stomp nga pasok pa rin... ang tunog nga lang pag stomp is raw suond of guitar+stomp hehehe but if the MS50G has an amp sim mas ok yan pag bypass :-D
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By the way, since we're also talking about amp simulators, stomps like Behringer GDI21 or sansamp or those joyo california, british, american sound, etc. should be ideally plugged into the fx loop?
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By the way, since we're also talking about amp simulators, stomps like Behringer GDI21 or sansamp or those joyo california, british, american sound, etc. should be ideally plugged into the fx loop?
yup. they can also be plugged direct into mixers for convenience.
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i think we are helping more people aside from the multi fx users... this is healthy discussion :))
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By the way, since we're also talking about amp simulators, stomps like Behringer GDI21 or sansamp or those joyo california, british, american sound, etc. should be ideally plugged into the fx loop?
Pwede para mabypass yung amp. :-)
yup. they can also be plugged direct into mixers for convenience.
Pero hindi lahat. Yung mga nabanggit kasi sa taas is amp sims. Yung mga maganda iplug directly sa mixers or powered speakers dapat may cab sims. :)
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Ok next noob question mga sirs :). For those who have & those who tried, ano mas maganda tunog sa tube amp, multi fx o analog pedals (As I don't have a tube amp, yet.)
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Ok next noob question mga sirs :). For those who have & those who tried, ano mas maganda tunog sa tube amp, multi fx o analog pedals (As I don't have a tube amp, yet.)
Depende sa nagtitimpla bro talaga.
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puwede sir... kahit ordinary stomp nga pasok pa rin... ang tunog nga lang pag stomp is raw suond of guitar+stomp hehehe but if the MS50G has an amp sim mas ok yan pag bypass :-D
kmusta mga sir..
ilang beses ko din binasa para maintindihan ko ung bypass..
noob lng po ako..
gamit ko po 2nd hand na G9 tsaka peavey rage 258 ampli..
input at aux in lang meron sa ampli ko..
ibig sbihin po ba di ko ma-bypass ang Amp ?
nka clean lang po ako sa amp settings..
senxa mejo lito pa din ata ako.. :-D
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ok ito yung pagkaka-intindi ko: pag naka-bypass, meaning naka-plug sa return input ng amp ang multi fx ang gagamitin mo to tweak yung settings ng sound ay yung amp simulation ng multi fx, hindi aandar yung mga knobs nung mismong amp (bypassed yung real settings ng amp, parang speaker lang ang gagamitin mo), unlike pag naka-plug ka guitar input, aandar yung mga knobs ng mismong amp kung san ka naka-plug regardless kung naka-on yung amp sim mo sa multi fx.
Please free to correct me. :)
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The best way for multis to really shine is to plug them straight to powered monitors or direct to PA. Pag sa guitar amp kasi nakukulayan pa. And yun nga not all amps have fx loop.
yes true. I found the solution in ZOOM G3/G5 models, it has balanced XLR output.
This was taken from ZOOM G3/G3X product features:
Balanced XLR output for DI use.
"With its built-in XLR output, you can avoid DI boxes completely and directly connect the G3X to any mixing console and maintain a balanced, high quality signal. Its convenient Pre/Post switch can direct an effected sound to the main outputs while sending the original analog guitar signal directly to the XLR output without passing through an A/D converter."
:)
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Ganito ata pagkaka intindi ko... Though ewan kung tama ba yung term na "bypass" the amp.
The amp has two stages. The preamp stage and the power stage.
Now, in this case let say the amp has an input jack and the return jack ng effects loop or pwede din CD input.
Pag yung gitara mo sinasaksak mo sa input jack ganito yung takbo niya:
Guitar->multi-fx->input jack->Equalization (preamp stage)->power stage->speaker output.
Pag yung ginatara sinaksak mo sa return loop/CD input, ganito takbo niya:
Guitar->input jack->Equalization (preamp stage)->multi-fx->return loop/CD input jack (power stage)->speaker output.
Meaning, kahit anong kalikot mo pa sa high, mid, low EQ mo sa amp, kung dun mo sinaksak sa return loop/CD input yung chain mo, walang mangyayari. So meaning, di makukulayan yung tunog ng multi-fx mo. Now, dun ka na rin magbuhos ng oras mag tweak sa multi-fx mismo. Nothing to do with the amp anymore.
Correct me if I'm wrong. :eek:
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Ganito ata pagkaka intindi ko... Though ewan kung tama ba yung term na "bypass" the amp.
The amp has two stages. The preamp stage and the power stage.
Now, in this case let say the amp has an input jack and the return jack ng effects loop or pwede din CD input.
Pag yung gitara mo sinasaksak mo sa input jack ganito yung takbo niya:
Guitar->multi-fx->input jack->Equalization (preamp stage)->power stage->speaker output.
Pag yung ginatara sinaksak mo sa return loop/CD input, ganito takbo niya:
Guitar->input jack->Equalization (preamp stage)->multi-fx->return loop/CD input jack (power stage)->speaker output.
Meaning, kahit anong kalikot mo pa sa high, mid, low EQ mo sa amp, kung dun mo sinaksak sa return loop/CD input yung chain mo, walang mangyayari. So meaning, di makukulayan yung tunog ng multi-fx mo. Now, dun ka na rin magbuhos ng oras mag tweak sa multi-fx mismo. Nothing to do with the amp anymore.
Correct me if I'm wrong. :eek:
Nadali mo sir :-D
Para kasi sakin sa ganung paraan mo magagamit ang full potential ng multi-fx mo.
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ok ito yung pagkaka-intindi ko: pag naka-bypass, meaning naka-plug sa return input ng amp ang multi fx ang gagamitin mo to tweak yung settings ng sound ay yung amp simulation ng multi fx, hindi aandar yung mga knobs nung mismong amp (bypassed yung real settings ng amp, parang speaker lang ang gagamitin mo), unlike pag naka-plug ka guitar input, aandar yung mga knobs ng mismong amp kung san ka naka-plug regardless kung naka-on yung amp sim mo sa multi fx.
Please free to correct me. :)
nakuha mo... mismo bro!
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In ako dito! thanks uli kay Hetfield for sharing some helpful tips and pointers!
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In ako dito! thanks uli kay Hetfield for sharing some helpful tips and pointers!
someone started another thread like this (threadjacker!)
joke hehehe
mas detailed siya kaysa itong ginawa ko. technical pero you will learn a lot.
i’ll search for it and share
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Ganito ata pagkaka intindi ko... Though ewan kung tama ba yung term na "bypass" the amp.
The amp has two stages. The preamp stage and the power stage.
Now, in this case let say the amp has an input jack and the return jack ng effects loop or pwede din CD input.
Pag yung gitara mo sinasaksak mo sa input jack ganito yung takbo niya:
Guitar->multi-fx->input jack->Equalization (preamp stage)->power stage->speaker output.
Pag yung ginatara sinaksak mo sa return loop/CD input, ganito takbo niya:
Guitar->input jack->Equalization (preamp stage)->multi-fx->return loop/CD input jack (power stage)->speaker output.
Meaning, kahit anong kalikot mo pa sa high, mid, low EQ mo sa amp, kung dun mo sinaksak sa return loop/CD input yung chain mo, walang mangyayari. So meaning, di makukulayan yung tunog ng multi-fx mo. Now, dun ka na rin magbuhos ng oras mag tweak sa multi-fx mismo. Nothing to do with the amp anymore.
Correct me if I'm wrong. :eek:
So pwede ako magsaksak sa cd input?
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So pwede ako magsaksak sa cd input?
yes sir :-D puwedeng puwede
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yes sir :-D puwedeng puwede
Nice! :-D
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Nice! :-D
pwede tried sa microcube sa aux input..hehe tip ni bj yun!
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Wow! This is a very interesting thread. An eye opener for me.
Thanks TS for the share
Thank you din Gandy for the bump otherwise hindi ko mababasa ito :mrgreen:
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wow nice thread! ngayon ko lang nagets yung fx loop. hahaha thanks TS! good read!
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So pwede ako magsaksak sa cd input?
Yup :) Yung amp ko dito sa bahay sira yung input stage, kaya dun ako sumasaksak. Parang Send/Return na ren sya, well para sakin ah I may be wrong though.
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Yup :) Yung amp ko dito sa bahay sira yung input stage, kaya dun ako sumasaksak. Parang Send/Return na ren sya, well para sakin ah I may be wrong though.
at kung ayaw mo yung sound ng amp mo then there’s no need to have the input repaired hahaha
saves you some cash also...
i think this is the first thread i started here in philmu...
gandy put life into it again ^_^
fyi: im in no way an expert nor a sound engineer... isa lang akong hamak na hobbyist na mahilig mangalikot (pati na rin yung ibang kalikot) who just wants to share explorations along the sound and gear universe
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Yup :) Yung amp ko dito sa bahay sira yung input stage, kaya dun ako sumasaksak. Parang Send/Return na ren sya, well para sakin ah I may be wrong though.
Na try ko na! Haha teka noob question regarding the use of amp sims, kelangan ba last sa patch(chain of fx within the multi) yung amp/cab sim? Hybrid nga pala gamit ko analog + zoom ms50g, ang ingay eh! Hahaha
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Na try ko na! Haha teka noob question regarding the use of amp sims, kelangan ba last sa patch(chain of fx within the multi) yung amp/cab sim? Hybrid nga pala gamit ko analog + zoom ms50g, ang ingay eh! Hahaha
sir subukan mo ilagay siya katabi ng amp sim just before/after it at experiment mo yung tone...
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sir subukan mo ilagay siya katabi ng amp sim just before/after it at experiment mo yung tone...
Ok na sir, pinagexperimentuhan ko kanina..
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Ok na sir, pinagexperimentuhan ko kanina..
would you mind sharing the results :))
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at kung ayaw mo yung sound ng amp mo then there’s no need to have the input repaired hahaha
saves you some cash also...
i think this is the first thread i started here in philmu...
gandy put life into it again ^_^
fyi: im in no way an expert nor a sound engineer... isa lang akong hamak na hobbyist na mahilig mangalikot (pati na rin yung ibang kalikot) who just wants to share explorations along the sound and gear universe
Actually I like the way it sounds hahaha, para syang pang test ko para pag may gig alam ko tunog ko. So far it works for me :-D
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Actually I like the way it sounds hahaha, para syang pang test ko para pag may gig alam ko tunog ko. So far it works for me :-D
the CD input is powerful hahaha... hindi lang para sa music kundi pati na rin sa gitara :lol: :lol: :lol:
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add nyo si Hetfield sa FB! madami kayong matutunan dyan!!! enjoy kakwentuhan sa gear! hahaha at MFX master!!!
binalik ko sa regular input for now..since wala pa akong calm mind to tweak yung amp sims at sobrang daming pwedeng gawin..hahaha paborito ko padin yung deluxe reverb sim..
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add nyo si Hetfield sa FB! madami kayong matutunan dyan!!! enjoy kakwentuhan sa gear! hahaha at MFX master!!!
binalik ko sa regular input for now..since wala pa akong calm mind to tweak yung amp sims at sobrang daming pwedeng gawin..hahaha paborito ko padin yung deluxe reverb sim..
makulit lang ako hahaha anyone can talk to me and ask me... hangat kaya ko e sasagutin ko... pag hindi then i will direct you to the best resource hahaha... favorite ko all time is the Bassman amp simulation... i love the fat dark tone of the Bassman...
By the way I just got a Zoom B2... hell yeah it's a bass fx and i will try it on a guitar and see what happens :lol: :lol: :lol:
will try it on the BKP and let's hear if it can roar... I will post a video on sunday :-D :-D :-D
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Am still waiting for my Zoom g9.2tt, nirepair ang 3 foot switch. got it sa trade from an ahole. Can you guys share your diskartes? diko talaga magets pag multi. im confused. haha. i have the manual but im stuck with the factory presets/patches. :)
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with the multi effects units i have been able to use so far one thing seems to be apparent: they've been designed in such a way that you can plug them straight into a mixer and skip the use of a dedicated guitar amp. this means that the amp sims in such models need to be as "smooth" as possible to minimize transients that might damage PA systems.
the tradeoff is that if you plug the multis into actual guitar amps and compared them side by side with analog stompboxes, you'd find that the multis seem to feel "flat" whereas the stomps interact more strongly with the amps' preamp section, and will consequently sound more natural than the multi versions.
thankfully, there are workarounds. creative yet judicious use of the provided eq can bring back some of the interaction with the amp described earlier. in models with speaker simulations, these can be turned off as well.
the best solution (though slightly more difficult) i have come up with involves an a/b box and borrowing a friend's analog stomps. first you try to get your base guitar tone using the stomps, and then duplicate the same tone and response you get from the stomps on the multi using the a/b box to switch between the two signal routs.
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with the multi effects units i have been able to use so far one thing seems to be apparent: they've been designed in such a way that you can plug them straight into a mixer and skip the use of a dedicated guitar amp. this means that the amp sims in such models need to be as "smooth" as possible to minimize transients that might damage PA systems.
the tradeoff is that if you plug the multis into actual guitar amps and compared them side by side with analog stompboxes, you'd find that the multis seem to feel "flat" whereas the stomps interact more strongly with the amps' preamp section, and will consequently sound more natural than the multi versions.
thankfully, there are workarounds. creative yet judicious use of the provided eq can bring back some of the interaction with the amp described earlier. in models with speaker simulations, these can be turned off as well.
the best solution (though slightly more difficult) i have come up with involves an a/b box and borrowing a friend's analog stomps. first you try to get your base guitar tone using the stomps, and then duplicate the same tone and response you get from the stomps on the multi using the a/b box to switch between the two signal routs.
Just turn off the Amp and Cab sims pag sa Guitar Amp ka papasok. Common sense lang, ginagaya na nga yung tunog ng guitar amp, tapos ipapasok mo pa sa guitar amp.
Dapat may dalawang set of patches ka, meron para sa Mixer/PA (Amp and Cab Sims on) at para sa Guitar Amp (Amp and Cab sims off).
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would you mind sharing the results :))
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Ok, late reply! Haha, pero eto ginawa ko, guitar - wah - analog dirt - analog overdrive - zoomms50g( ampsim- chorus-reverb)- cd input of amp!
Okay naman siya, tweak lang tweak sa volume ng amp sim, pag sa live setting na!
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Am still waiting for my Zoom g9.2tt, nirepair ang 3 foot switch. got it sa trade from an ahole. Can you guys share your diskartes? diko talaga magets pag multi. im confused. haha. i have the manual but im stuck with the factory presets/patches. :)
sir try mo lang kunin yung mga shinare namin na tips... tweak lang ng tweak sa setting mo lalo na sa EQ as one of our friends here said...
try experimenting on the CD input / Return / Input of your amp and hear the differences... kung anong patok sa pandinig mo e dun tayo :-D :-D :-D
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Ok, late reply! Haha, pero eto ginawa ko, guitar - wah - analog dirt - analog overdrive - zoomms50g( ampsim- chorus-reverb)- cd input of amp!
Okay naman siya, tweak lang tweak sa volume ng amp sim, pag sa live setting na!
yan na nga ba ang sinasabi ko :lol: :lol: :lol:
adik mode sa tweaks hehehe
good job bro! happy tinkering!
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Just turn off the Amp and Cab sims pag sa Guitar Amp ka papasok. Common sense lang, ginagaya na nga yung tunog ng guitar amp, tapos ipapasok mo pa sa guitar amp.
Dapat may dalawang set of patches ka, meron para sa Mixer/PA (Amp and Cab Sims on) at para sa Guitar Amp (Amp and Cab sims off).
This post of mine, i believe, was part of a much longer thread I made regarding tweaking multis with methods I have been able to find over the internet. Again, the problem with just turning off of the amp and cab sims is that the stomp models aren't always that accurate in mimicking the originals, which is why I maintain my position regarding reference tweaking. :-) The biggest issue for me so far is that I'm starting to move away from "preset" mentality, and appreciating the freedom of individual knobs on my pedals, which makes it hard for me to keep copying the sounds onto my multi.
EDIT: Also, I think we're on the same page regarding having two kinds of presets - one for amps, and another for PA systems. In fact I really do that, and the PA system patches even double as excellent recording presets for plugging straight into my computer. Here's a sample: https://soundcloud.com/jolo-carrera/rp500-more-or-less-full-demo
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yan na nga ba ang sinasabi ko :lol: :lol: :lol:
adik mode sa tweaks hehehe
good job bro! happy tinkering!
Thanks for these handy tips man!
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Thanks for these handy tips man!
sharing experience sir :wave: :wave: :wave:
and i'm glad a lot of people shared their views also :-D
everybody's got something to learn in here :)
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pwede ba i-plug ang subwoofer sa multi-fx?
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pwede ba i-plug ang subwoofer sa multi-fx?
puwede but it will not sound right :lol: :lol: :lol:
definitely wrong sound hahaha
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Kapag ganito ang setup Shredhead+multi(modulation/delay) tanong ko po hindi ba magiging digital ang tunog ng shredhead :?
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Kapag ganito ang setup Shredhead+multi(modulation/delay) tanong ko po hindi ba magiging digital ang tunog ng shredhead :?
try mo sir guitar-multi(mods)-shreadhead-amp
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I agree with TS.
When it comes to multi FX (considering you are a multi FX noob), do not, I say, DO NOT disregard the manual.
You have to spend time and effort reading the manual to understand what each buttons do and what they control.
Once nagamay mo na, magiging madali na ang pag tweak, mas mahirap pa ata gumamit ng family computer.
I use both Boss and TC Electronics multi FX.
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Kapag ganito ang setup Shredhead+multi(modulation/delay) tanong ko po hindi ba magiging digital ang tunog ng shredhead :?
Technically speaking, yung analog signal ng shredhead ay i-coconvert sa digital (ADC) then after malagyan ng effects (example, chorus or delay) ay i-coconvert ulet sa analog (DAC).
if the ADC-DAC of the multifx is high fidelity (meaning magandang klase) hindi mo dapat mahalata yung difference.
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Technically speaking, yung analog signal ng shredhead ay i-coconvert sa digital (ADC) then after malagyan ng effects (example, chorus or delay) ay i-coconvert ulet sa analog (DAC).
if the ADC-DAC of the multifx is high fidelity (meaning magandang klase) hindi mo dapat mahalata yung difference.
explained better than me :lol:
in my case wala na talaga akong pakialam sa klase ng signal :lol: :lol: :lol:
if it sounds good then i stick to it... if not, then i change it :lol: :lol: :lol:
try interchanging the fx and just hear the difference... what suites your ear will be it :-D
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pahingi naman po ng tips about sa zoom g3.. anu po ba mga magandang tweaks dito.. plus i have boss me-25? pwede ba silang pag samahin? oh mas better na mag set up ako ng iba para sa zoom g3? thanks po mga sir
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Technically speaking, yung analog signal ng shredhead ay i-coconvert sa digital (ADC) then after malagyan ng effects (example, chorus or delay) ay i-coconvert ulet sa analog (DAC).
if the ADC-DAC of the multifx is high fidelity (meaning magandang klase) hindi mo dapat mahalata yung difference.
Ano anong brand po ba yung mga high fidelity na multi effects sir :?
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Ano anong brand po ba yung mga high fidelity na multi effects sir :?
The only thing I can think of is the HD series of Line6... we are talking about floor based processors here ha :-D :-D :-D not the racks like AXE FXII of Fractal Audio :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The only thing I can think of is the HD series of Line6... we are talking about floor based processors here ha :-D :-D :-D not the racks like AXE FXII of Fractal Audio :lol: :lol: :lol:
Pati po ba yung m-series ng line6 sir :?
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Pati po ba yung m-series ng line6 sir :?
di pa ako nakasubok ng M series ng Line6 sir... but what i do know is fx lang sila... no amp/cab modeling