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Title: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: jay4roca on November 29, 2007, 07:01:44 PM
Why dont we have that much RnB Artists in the Philippines such as Usher, Mario, Cris Brown etc.?
What would you say if there's a RnB album coming out (just Pinoy Singer)?
I think Jay-R is doing a great job and e.g Kyla ... !!
Actually we got a lot pinoy -ay RnB Singers like Nicole Scherziger, Cassie etc... But where are the artists straight hailing from the Phils.?
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: dominant_chord2005 on November 30, 2007, 01:12:24 PM
Just like any genre, all forms of music just come and go...
That's the thing with music here, pag di na uso..wala nang tumatangkilik.
I remember way back when rnb was the name of the game...when South Border, Passage, MIke Luis, K 24/7 and the rest of the rnb movement was se;ling like hotcakes. Everyone was into them like they were into the likes of Babyface, Ushe4r, Boyz II Men, 112, and other foreign rnb acts. Blackstreet was then hardrock cafe's national anthem with Dont leave and I wanna be your man. And MYMP was still a full band.
If you're asking me,. we're very much ready..kaya lng the music producers got tired of it coz they think its not making money. They focused their energies more on the local alt bands because of the masa appeal.
Pasalamt nalng tau at me pinoy soul movement..its a way of making rnb music alive.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: jay4roca on November 30, 2007, 01:55:36 PM
oh yeah you're damn ryt!
thats what everybody told me ... rnb aint pang masa anymore :-(
actually i want to release a rnb VA album in phils. so im wondering if it can come back to the old rnb days..??
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: marzi on November 30, 2007, 02:05:58 PM
thats what everybody told me ... rnb aint pang masa anymore :-(
actually i want to release a rnb VA album in phils. so im wondering if it can come back to the old rnb days..??
just make sure you have a straight tongue when you sing tagalog rnb songs...not like those annoying "balu-baluktot" pinoy rnb singers... :-) :wink:
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: makinao on December 06, 2007, 03:18:44 PM
In my mind, the Philippine music scene is ready for anything new, given that most of what you hear on radio nowadays are stuck in their respective stylistic boxes. There are a precious few who are pushing the limits their genres, and even fewer that offer something really "out of the box". But there are lots of interesting acts in the periphery which the mainstream never hears, and/or which the music industry doesn't consider lucrative.
I know I'm going to get flamed for some of what I'm about to say, but someone's got to do the dirty work. So here goes......
I think one of the problems of R&B in the Philippines is that local musicians haven't figured out how to assimilate the genre into our musical culture. I hate to say this, but having heard what passes for R&B locally, I've come to the conclusion that those musicians don't quite understand the fundamental contexts of African-American music. In short, they simply don't "get it". This lack of understanding therefore renders them unable to assimilate these into Philippine culture. The rock scene solved this problem decades ago. JDLC, The Dawn, The Eraserheads, Joey Ayala, and a host of others got it right either instinctively or purposively. The same is true with the "pop" scene. But R&B (and regretfully, Jazz) failed to follow through on the occasions when they were on the threshold of achieving critical mass.
So until the local R&B musicians "get" the Afro-American context, and how to assimilate it into Philippine culture, R&B will remain remote and irrelevant to the "masa" and the local music scene at large.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: dominant_chord2005 on December 08, 2007, 10:42:21 AM
I agree. That's the thing with our culture. We are famous all over the world for our ability to adapt to any available situations, scenarios and at times cultures. That is why the Europeans and the Americans envy us for our ability to learn and adapt their culture while they have a "passing through they needle's eye" context of adapting to ours.
Our Filipino rock and pop musicians were able to adapt to the rock and pop music perspective due to the "walk in the park" structures of these genres. Unlike Afro-American Music where we have difficulty with "walking the walk and talking the talk" due to its diverse permutations, these so called genres mainly influence our daily lives thanks to radio stations that feed us with materials rotating on regular airplay. When the Americans came to the philippines, they actually brought with them the pros and cons of their musical culture which then were percieved to be the "holy grail " of social acceptance. Until such point where it eventually sink into us as if it were part of our system.
In my perspective..I can safely assume that unless we start to walk the walk and talk the talk, thats wehn we can say we are ready
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: tejadster on January 12, 2008, 12:21:39 PM
nde pa cguro..
iba kase yung culture dito eh..
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: mayk_bam on January 14, 2008, 08:54:39 PM
RnB? as in Rock n Ballads, oo naman...hehe :-P
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: jay4roca on January 16, 2008, 03:08:23 PM
In my mind, the Philippine music scene is ready for anything new, given that most of what you hear on radio nowadays are stuck in their respective stylistic boxes. There are a precious few who are pushing the limits their genres, and even fewer that offer something really "out of the box". But there are lots of interesting acts in the periphery which the mainstream never hears, and/or which the music industry doesn't consider lucrative.
I know I'm going to get flamed for some of what I'm about to say, but someone's got to do the dirty work. So here goes......
I think one of the problems of R&B in the Philippines is that local musicians haven't figured out how to assimilate the genre into our musical culture. I hate to say this, but having heard what passes for R&B locally, I've come to the conclusion that those musicians don't quite understand the fundamental contexts of African-American music. In short, they simply don't "get it". This lack of understanding therefore renders them unable to assimilate these into Philippine culture. The rock scene solved this problem decades ago. JDLC, The Dawn, The Eraserheads, Joey Ayala, and a host of others got it right either instinctively or purposively. The same is true with the "pop" scene. But R&B (and regretfully, Jazz) failed to follow through on the occasions when they were on the threshold of achieving critical mass.
So until the local R&B musicians "get" the Afro-American context, and how to assimilate it into Philippine culture, R&B will remain remote and irrelevant to the "masa" and the local music scene at large.
oh yea i agree wit you.. but i thought bout it but actually didnt want to mention it or just didnt want to say the truth ;-)
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: xavier on January 20, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
tama si mr. makinao.
pero i'm wondering kung bakit walang nag-evolve na RnB mula sa pinoy blues/rock. okey sana yung environment nung 90's pero na-dampen yata ng eraserheads and the bands that followed tsaka ng grunge.
*sayang talaga kasi araw araw may ipinanganganak na makikisunod lang sa uso. haha :lol: let's just hope na may makakakuha ng pinoy RnB feel
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: marzi on January 22, 2008, 09:44:32 PM
i saw a video of this half pinoy guy in myx two days ago...
i thought he was reciting a poem but when i turned up the volume, i found out he was singing! and hes not just singing, hes singing another "show me that booty, girl" song!!!
zomfglolz....trying hard S.O.B.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: jazzhole04 on June 13, 2008, 01:23:08 PM
ARTSTRONG the best....:)
i love his JAZZY MONDAY vid! check this out guys!
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: guitbox on June 26, 2008, 05:43:01 PM
i think filipinos are ready for anything. =)
although rnb talaga ay parang attached na to the americans, parang pag in-apply na saten, lalao na kunng tagalog song, parang ang dating sa iba ay off---kse hindi siguro kasi sanay.
personally, trip ko boses and style ni JR, pero come to think of it, amboy don kase un...
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: cyrilmosh on February 22, 2009, 07:32:35 PM
no comment... 8-)
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: jazzhole04 on February 25, 2009, 01:50:18 AM
THIS IS MY POINT OF VIEW:
we live in a third world country...ang majority of the people are the masses.
RnB is an upper class music. for an artist to venture this market medyo risky...lalo na pag solo artist.
the upper class here would even preffer listening to international artists. though some would genuinely appreciate it...nitch audience lang sya.
and producers dont like selling to nitch audience :)
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: pauw on February 03, 2010, 06:15:34 PM
If we only have producers here who make songs and awesome beats such as chris brown, NE-YO, Mario, and all the other popular rnb artists, then I am sure that Filipino Rnb will rise and live up to its name again.
I AM STRUGGLING TO GET PEOPLE WHO LIKES RNB TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC BECAUSE I THINK THAT I HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GIVE PHILIPPINE RNB MUSIC A DIFFERENT (BUT GOOD) REPUTATION. Since colonial mentality is what is "IN" now, I studied those little details in foreign songs that make filipinos want to cling on them and stack them in their ipods. For example, look at KPOP (korean pop) now. They are pretty much rising in the music industry WORLDWIDE now because if you take a closer listen to their music, their music is patterned in the american music way. And surprising thing is that most of those hits coming from 2ne1, super junior, and girls' generation are merely RNB in genre.
I am not saying that we should be copy-cats. I am saying that if we Filipinos want to make our RNB music rise again, then we should leave that old-school genetic sound to it and be more open minded.
Take a listen to my beats at www.soundcloud.com/fifthmoon and you will se what I am talking about.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: jazzhole04 on February 05, 2010, 12:58:01 AM
If we only have producers here who make songs and awesome beats such as chris brown, NE-YO, Mario, and all the other popular rnb artists, then I am sure that Filipino Rnb will rise and live up to its name again.
I AM STRUGGLING TO GET PEOPLE WHO LIKES RNB TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC BECAUSE I THINK THAT I HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GIVE PHILIPPINE RNB MUSIC A DIFFERENT (BUT GOOD) REPUTATION. Since colonial mentality is what is "IN" now, I studied those little details in foreign songs that make filipinos want to cling on them and stack them in their ipods. For example, look at KPOP (korean pop) now. They are pretty much rising in the music industry WORLDWIDE now because if you take a closer listen to their music, their music is patterned in the american music way. And surprising thing is that most of those hits coming from 2ne1, super junior, and girls' generation are merely RNB in genre.
I am not saying that we should be copy-cats. I am saying that if we Filipinos want to make our RNB music rise again, then we should leave that old-school genetic sound to it and be more open minded.
Take a listen to my beats at www.soundcloud.com/fifthmoon and you will se what I am talking about.
cool beats bra :mrgreen:
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: NS10 Reborn on February 07, 2010, 06:26:12 AM
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: JOHNSEL ERNEST on February 07, 2010, 07:12:36 AM
well, i am afraid NOT.. .
the term “R&B” originates from traditional rhythm and blues music, today the term R&B is most often used to describe a style of African American music originating after the demise of disco in the 1980s. Some sources refer to the style as urban contemporary (the name of the radio format that plays hip hop and contemporary R&B).
i must say that "I do" but most of "US are NOT into it.. . and hopefully they will.. .
ciao
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: NS10 Reborn on February 08, 2010, 07:04:25 AM
If we only have producers here who make songs and awesome beats such as chris brown, NE-YO, Mario, and all the other popular rnb artists, then I am sure that Filipino Rnb will rise and live up to its name again.
I AM STRUGGLING TO GET PEOPLE WHO LIKES RNB TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC BECAUSE I THINK THAT I HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GIVE PHILIPPINE RNB MUSIC A DIFFERENT (BUT GOOD) REPUTATION. Since colonial mentality is what is "IN" now, I studied those little details in foreign songs that make filipinos want to cling on them and stack them in their ipods. For example, look at KPOP (korean pop) now. They are pretty much rising in the music industry WORLDWIDE now because if you take a closer listen to their music, their music is patterned in the american music way. And surprising thing is that most of those hits coming from 2ne1, super junior, and girls' generation are merely RNB in genre.
I am not saying that we should be copy-cats. I am saying that if we Filipinos want to make our RNB music rise again, then we should leave that old-school genetic sound to it and be more open minded.
Take a listen to my beats at www.soundcloud.com/fifthmoon and you will se what I am talking about.
WHY?
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: mr. gellybean on February 08, 2010, 07:08:41 AM
If we only have producers here who make songs and awesome beats such as chris brown, NE-YO, Mario, and all the other popular rnb artists, then I am sure that Filipino Rnb will rise and live up to its name again.
I AM STRUGGLING TO GET PEOPLE WHO LIKES RNB TO LISTEN TO MY MUSIC BECAUSE I THINK THAT I HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO GIVE PHILIPPINE RNB MUSIC A DIFFERENT (BUT GOOD) REPUTATION. Since colonial mentality is what is "IN" now, I studied those little details in foreign songs that make filipinos want to cling on them and stack them in their ipods. For example, look at KPOP (korean pop) now. They are pretty much rising in the music industry WORLDWIDE now because if you take a closer listen to their music, their music is patterned in the american music way. And surprising thing is that most of those hits coming from 2ne1, super junior, and girls' generation are merely RNB in genre.
I am not saying that we should be copy-cats. I am saying that if we Filipinos want to make our RNB music rise again, then we should leave that old-school genetic sound to it and be more open minded.
Take a listen to my beats at www.soundcloud.com/fifthmoon and you will se what I am talking about.
wala na sila sa Maynila... nasa Davao na yata lahat RnB music producers... eheheh
check this out... www.myspace.com/vanric yung NO track... compare the Original mobile phone recording and the finished product... cheers
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: mr. gellybean on February 08, 2010, 07:22:36 AM
Why dont we have that much RnB Artists in the Philippines such as Usher, Mario, Cris Brown etc.?
What would you say if there's a RnB album coming out (just Pinoy Singer)?
I think Jay-R is doing a great job and e.g Kyla ... !!
Actually we got a lot pinoy -ay RnB Singers like Nicole Scherziger, Cassie etc... But where are the artists straight hailing from the Phils.?
Check this out... www.myspace.com/vanric... hear and compare the original recording to the produced one...
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: burnsbhm on April 08, 2010, 12:35:26 AM
Is the Philippines ready for RNB?
Exactly what RNB are we talking about here?
Kung mga 5th Dimension, Tower Of Power, Earth Wind & Fire, Friends of Distinction, MFSB, The Three Degrees, Lou Rawls, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Supremes, Marvin Gaye - then I would say yes matagal na tayong may hardcore fans.
Kung Usher, Brian McKnight, Chris Brown, Rihanna, Next, Keith Sweat - then I would say yes din kasi it has already mainstream acceptance.
Kung Muddy Waters, Louis Jordan, B.B. King, Johnny Otis etc - then I would say no kasi mostly musicians lang o mga may kaya ang nakaka appreciate nito.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: NS10 Reborn on April 08, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
Kung mga 5th Dimension, Tower Of Power, Earth Wind & Fire, Friends of Distinction, MFSB, The Three Degrees, Lou Rawls, Michael Jackson, Marvin Gaye, Supremes, Marvin Gaye - then I would say yes matagal na tayong may hardcore fans.
Kung Usher, Brian McKnight, Chris Brown, Rihanna, Next, Keith Sweat - then I would say yes din kasi it has already mainstream acceptance.
Kung Muddy Waters, Louis Jordan, B.B. King, Johnny Otis etc - then I would say no kasi mostly musicians lang o mga may kaya ang nakaka appreciate nito.
of course philippines is always ready for RnB... RHYTHM AND BALLADS... HAHAHHA :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: strummer on April 08, 2010, 07:58:05 PM
actually very versatile ang ears ng mga pinoy. mahirap nga lang basahin ang listeners ngayon kasi sobrang diverse. rnb was the thing for some time but i think it will come around soon. ganun lang talaga trend.
one thing about rnb sa pinas eh hindi pa natin na-iinculturate. kumbaga yung mga themes natin sa rnb songs di pa masyado nai-blend sa pinoy culture, feelings and consciousness. i think south border did well sa mga rnb songs nila na tagalog.
mahirap nga lang talaga mag-tagalog na rnb na hindi tunog cheap. hehe. kudos to sb, k24 and jay r for that.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: burnsbhm on April 09, 2010, 04:17:45 PM
of course philippines is always ready for RnB... RHYTHM AND BALLADS... HAHAHHA :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I would like to agree on that one! Hehehehe.....a lot of people in the Philippines (a good number of them musicians themselves) do not know what is R&B.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: stefan_hendrixx on November 17, 2010, 08:46:06 AM
what i can say is its a work in progress :-D
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: HipHop Songs on February 24, 2011, 12:27:39 PM
there are a lot of pinoy artists that have a soulful voice and tone.... If trained and managed well, Bugoy Drilon has the chops to do RnB. Kyla also have a soulful voice. So as Jay-R, Kris Lawrence etc. Filipinos have a wide range of musical preference esp. nowadays. RnB is a genre known worldwide. We're ready...
I would like to agree on that one! Hehehehe.....a lot of people in the Philippines (a good number of them musicians themselves) do not know what is R&B.
Rhythm and Blues
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: burnsbhm on February 25, 2011, 10:34:47 PM
I would like to agree on that one! Hehehehe.....a lot of people in the Philippines (a good number of them musicians themselves) do not know what is R&B.
ayun mismo.... most of them couldn't tell what Rnb if its not Kayla, JR, or South Border..... sa lahat ng musikerong panadinig ko nito ilan lang ang naka kita ng traces ng RnB dahil "OPM pop ballad" mostly ata ang identifying style ng RnB dito atin.....
ayun mismo.... most of them couldn't tell what Rnb if its not Kayla, JR, or South Border..... sa lahat ng musikerong panadinig ko nito ilan lang ang naka kita ng traces ng RnB dahil "OPM pop ballad" mostly ata ang identifying style ng RnB dito atin.....
I am a true believer in the concept that if you want to pursue a genre and want it as your mainstay, then you should know its history from it origins.
I am very disappointed to know that many many pro musicians in the club circuit have absolutely NO CLUE what is R&B.
To them they thought the whole thing started with Brian McKnight in the 90s!
Ask them about Aretha Franklin, they will tell you, "Soul naman yun brad. Iba yun sa R&B!"
O kung hindi ba naman sila tatanga [chewbacca].
Pasensiya na kung maanghang ang salita ko. Kaya sila hindi convincing as R&B singers because wala silang pinaghuhugutan. Ang inspirasiyon nila kung sino lang yung nasa pop radio. Nakarinig lang ng Beyonce, sinipra, self proclaimed R&B singer na!
Like this very famous "punk" band from way back. Kahit anong gawin ko hindi ko magustuhan ang music nila. They tell the press they are true believers of punk rock BUT HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THE SEX PISTOLS, THE CLASH, THE RAMONES, THE DAMNED, THE DEAD KENNEDYS!!!
Another one: there is this "reggae" band who keeps claiming that they are true reggae and can stand neck to neck with any Jamaican reggae band. They even dissed Papadom as pretentious!!! Yet this band as far as I know is not even familiar with Mento, Blue Beat, Rocksteady....
And yet if you look at showbands who plays R&B, ipikit mo na ang mata mo you will think it is the real deal.
Dito sa Pinas mabibilang mo sa kamay mo kung sino ang totoo at hindi mo mabibilang kung sino ang hindi...
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: ohgravity20 on October 28, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
UP for this thread. Try listening to Thyro Aguilar - Kiss
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: clemton on January 31, 2014, 02:17:26 PM
Up for this thread in 2014
May katotohanan ang sinabi dito na magaling tayo magsipra at tumugtog ng kahit anong kanta, pero only a few knows how to really feel it while playing. If we know how it feels, I bet we can also translate that same feeling into our own words and music.
I hope one day producers won't just settle for easy money with exploiting mass appeal and support, if not pilot, taking risks to discover/grow passionate people and ideas. Shallow music seems to be in abundance and it's what the people are constantly hearing, thus, becoming a norm. Instead cultivating music's depth and potential, sadly most choose to be shallow as long as they make a fortune out of it.
These are just my views, hoping someone else here shares them.
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: d_one on February 02, 2014, 10:04:30 PM
May katotohanan ang sinabi dito na magaling tayo magsipra at tumugtog ng kahit anong kanta, pero only a few knows how to really feel it while playing. If we know how it feels, I bet we can also translate that same feeling into our own words and music.
I hope one day producers won't just settle for easy money with exploiting mass appeal and support, if not pilot, taking risks to discover/grow passionate people and ideas. Shallow music seems to be in abundance and it's what the people are constantly hearing, thus, becoming a norm. Instead cultivating music's depth and potential, sadly most choose to be shallow as long as they make a fortune out of it.
These are just my views, hoping someone else here shares them.
+1
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Post by: lope on April 21, 2016, 08:17:00 PM
RnB? rap na bisaya? ready na mi diri Cebu uy, :wave:
Title: Re: IS THE PHILS. READY FOR RNB??
Post by: CERamos on August 17, 2018, 02:21:49 PM
Buhayin natin to, hahaha Bago man sila na-ban dahil sa controversy about sa sexual harassment, ang Jensen and the Flips ang isa sa mga bumubuhay ng RnB ng ating bansa SUD also, kahit na parang papunta sila sa ibang direction ang magiging release ng next album nila