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Offline eaRthRideR

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Photography Before and Today
« on: May 28, 2012, 11:41:30 AM »

  Hi there.
      This forum says Digital Photography but I am hoping that there
  are still Photographers/Enthusiasts around from their respective expertise
  who would like to share their experience from Non-Digital to Digital Photography
  or maybe preferred to stick with their old equipments but open and tried Digital.
  I am a freelance event Photographer/Photo Editor and Photography article writer
  for a local news  paper and this is part of my research..

  Everyone is welcome to share their inputs, ideas and/or thoughts.
  And everyone, be open to learn something new from the past and today..

  TIA.
 
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2012, 02:12:39 PM »
This is a good post TS, and I hope maraming mag participate dito.

Nag simula ako kumuha ng mga larawan siguro mga 5-6 na taon na nakakaraan eh. Mejo baguhan palang din naman ako ( i always see myself as a newbie compare to the guys I know who can take jaw dropping photos ) Nag simula ako sa analog or film photograpghy. My first set of cameras were : An old Yashica Electro 35 GSN range finder and a Canonet QL17 plus a panoramic toy camera. I fell inlove with photography right away. Para sakin nuon photography ay isang art na di basta basta lalo na sa film kailangan ng matinding disiplina "creativity first, bago shot " as I say. Naalala ko pa nuon wala akong alam sa aperture settings, exposures, meterings at kung anu anu pang termino sa photography. Ginagawa ko nuon pag mag photowalk ako may small notebook ako then at a given time example eh alas tres ng hapon i write down my corresponding setting for that particular time may kasamang remarks pa kung anu ang klima nun etc. (di ko pa alam yung sunny rule na yun) so matagal na proseso pa dinaanan ko. mga isang taon akong ganun. Hanggang nagpasya ako to get my first AF film slr. First body ko is a Canon EOS kiss with panorama. Kasabay nito binili ko yung unang lente na kitlens nung EOS ko (nakalimutan ko na anung lente) nabili ko sa butihin kong kaibigan sa Hidalgo na si Mang Dong. Simula nuon lalo ako nahilig dahil mas mabilis na mag focus gawa ng AF function ng camera ko nun. Mas dumalas akong kumuha at lumabas para kumuha ng mga larawan. after a month or two I decided to buy another body to serve as my "portrait" camera. I then purchased my 2nd body na Canon EOS 500n which I find very good para sa portrait photos ko, I then decided na gawing landscape camera yung EOS kiss ko. My 500n had a telephoto lens EF 100-200mm and then yung landscape ko had this 24mm 2.8 sigma. First trip ko using the cameras ay sa Hong Kong Disneyland. Since then lagi na akong umaalis bitbit ang dalawang camera ko. Na adapt ko parin yung pag take notes everytime i take photos anu mali sa settings ko etc ilalagay ko sa remarks. Maraming bumabati sa mga kuha ko, di naman lahat eh ok, madami ding nakakapansin. AAt may ilang nag sabing may mata daw ako sa pag kuha at disiplina ng film photographer. My mentor then advised me to try and venture sa digital world. I was hesitant at matagal bago ako na convince maybe mga 1 year bago ako bumili ng digital slr. Nag upgrade muna ako ng film camera ko kasabay ang pag shift ko sa Nikon system. I got myself one of my favorite cams ever, ito yung Nikon f80 kasama ng Nikon 24-120 na lente. It was a dream come true and i felt naging mas ok ako sa Nikon. Sunod eh bumili po ako ng 28mm na 2.8. after maybe a year, i decided to shift and try digital slr. I got myself a Nikon D90 with the kitlens 18-105, eventually got a tamron sp 500mm mirror lens then a 50mm 1.8 lens. Ok mag digital easier convinient. But I still shoot film. Dito ko nakuha mga nalalaman ko, kakaunti man eh lahat vital. I still admire analog shots sometimes rather than digital.

para saakin ok ang digital pero sa digital "shot muna bago creativity " one fine line taht separates analog and digital. Para sa mga purist eh naiintindihan niyo malamang ibig sabihin nito, wala naman tayong LCD sa likod ng mga kamera natin para maview mismo agad agad mga kuha natin at pag pangit eh bura at reshoot nalang. Pero di rin matatawaran ang galing ng Digital dahil ito na angtechnology eh. ginagawa nitong magaan at madali ang pagkuha so ok lang din.

I still have old vintage cameras here I still shoot film and I have a Nikon N2020 US version as a back up cam ng D90 ko. 

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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2012, 10:59:38 PM »


Thanks for that Sir. Please let us know aside from what you said that "ginagawa nitong magaan at

madali ang pagkuha so ok lang din" which is the Digital. Did you find Non-digital Photography as

difficult as no LCD to look at right after shooting an image? And we all know the difference between

the two however did it change your way of shooting? How did your photos change from

Analog to digital?

I had a conversation with an Enthusiast and he is in to Architectural Photography.

No argue but it was a great conversation since both of us were interested, I started with film as well.

His opinion, Digital is "not challenging" because you can take shots as many as you want/can then

delete if you do not like it and realized just now what you Sir have just shared with Digital "shoot

muna bago creativity" actually made sense but no offense to my co-photogs out there. I am using

DSLR for 5 years now. And still learning.

My Enthusiast friend challenged me in Photography but will share it when questions above get

answers


« Last Edit: May 28, 2012, 11:32:43 PM by eaRthRideR »
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2012, 11:10:53 PM »
I also started photography "traditionally".. I for one is born in a family of artists, musicians and photographers.. and I was mentored by my late uncle who works as a photographer for the Philippine Senate..

My very first camera was the Canon EOS 1000f(n) it actually belongs to my uncle but since he rarely use it ako ang gumamit ng husto.


I used this late highschool and half of my college life.. I loved this camera.. I have a nice tripod with the 35-50mm kit lens and 28-80mm zoom lens.. more than enough for a neophyte photographer to play around.. mahilig ako nun sa portraiture and experimental photography.. I usually use monochrome film to add the drama.. or sephia na pinaluma para magkaron ng kaunting moulds and fungi.. depth of field usually ang nilalaro ko.. blurring the background (altho I wasnt aware about type of lenses pa dati).. at dun ko din natuklasan na I dont really like using the built in flash.. mas gusto ko talaga laruin ang natural lighting.

here are some of the pictures I have taken with it (digitized when we had it developed at kodak around 2002):


I forgot my settings.. pero I emphasized contrast dito.. I used a "repacked" black and white film..


eto sumablay ako.. I wasnt able to compensate exposure, having natural light behind my subect..


Here I did long exposure.. but not long enough to get some details..  :-(

ill try to find more old shots..  :wave:

 
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 08:36:12 AM »



 @rockophoria
   
 What do you say about Digital and non-Digital? Since everything with Digital can be manipulated

by PP, do you think non-Digital gave you great shots with no PP at all?

I actually can not compare the technology before and today however I would like to know

 how it changed the Photography. Last Friday in my event I wasn't aware that there would be another

Photographer covering the event. He was an old man probably in his 50s and not sure what

brand he was carrying but also with a sure old flash. I sure wanted to have a chat with him after the

event. The sound of his camera caught my attention and made me want to speak to him unfortunately

I was so busy taking photos and wen I remembered of approaching the man, he was not around

anymore.

Anyway I am getting his infos from the event organizer. I will let you guys know his equipment and

his answers to my questions.
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2012, 08:51:36 AM »

Thanks for that Sir. Please let us know aside from what you said that "ginagawa nitong magaan at

madali ang pagkuha so ok lang din" which is the Digital. Did you find Non-digital Photography as

difficult as no LCD to look at right after shooting an image? And we all know the difference between

the two however did it change your way of shooting? How did your photos change from

Analog to digital?

I had a conversation with an Enthusiast and he is in to Architectural Photography.

No argue but it was a great conversation since both of us were interested, I started with film as well.

His opinion, Digital is "not challenging" because you can take shots as many as you want/can then

delete if you do not like it and realized just now what you Sir have just shared with Digital "shoot

muna bago creativity" actually made sense but no offense to my co-photogs out there. I am using

DSLR for 5 years now. And still learning.

My Enthusiast friend challenged me in Photography but will share it when questions above get

answers

Hi sir good day. ako din no offense lang din sa mga photogs here ha? Its just my humble opinion. Well regarding my post here. Nasabi kong nagiging magaan ang pagkuha, dahil kung sa film eh you need to buy rolls of film, at bawat rolyo eh 36 shots lang. Well as compared sa DSLR eh lagyan mo lang ng 8gb-16gb-32gb ok na ok na. Regarding sa prints and or image scanning. Kung digital ang gamit mo just pull out the MEM card then saksak sa PC or just get the USB wire ng camera then plug sa PC then file transfer na, either you save it sa HD mo or sa pc mo mismo, or derecho print na. Very easy its like a "1-2-3 go step." Sa aalog or film kasi after a roll tago tas you need to be extra careful sa paghandle ng undeveloped film baka ma exposed. Once na collect mo na mga rolyo mo, derecho ka pa sa favorite lab mo or processing shops. Then gastos ka ulit papa DO mo then papaprint mo, or after mo pa DO eh scan to CD as JPEG file na. Either way magastos at mahabng proseso ito.

So sa madaling sabi, malaking ma memenos mo kung mag digital ka or lets say, mas makakaipon ka ng pang pondo for extra gear like extra lens and or accessories mo rather than hati yung pondo mo sa pag process at scan ng mga photos. For me this is one big plus factor ng digital. It made things easier and accessible. To a point na kahit bata eh kayang kayang gawin to.

Shooting film, yes masasabi kong mahirap. You need to construct everything before you press that shutter, mahirap ang trigger happy sa analog. sa 36 shots per roll, you need to be precise, but not perfect, just precise sa timpla mo, kasi nga de-film ang gamit mo, di ka mag aaksaya ng film sa mga shots na di sigurado, duon nabubuo yung discipline na I think kulang sa digital (no offense mga brothers ha). sa digital eh pag pangit o kulang derecho PS or lightroom yan or any other great photo manipulating softwares around, (alam ko ito dahil I also do photo manipulation sa digital since I do shoot digital na din).

Masaya sana kung matututo ang mga aspiring photogs ng principle at basics ng film photography. Its beyond the things you read in books. The anticipation ng bawat shot na kinuha mo, the trials and errors, struggles and cost cutting. Lahat may kanya kanyang role.

Regarding naman po sa pag kuha, malaki ang naitulong ng film photography sa digital photography ko. I can know shoot faster, I think relatively smarter. Sometimes I dont even use my LCD to view my photos, nasanay sa film talaga. Bottom line if you have a backgrpund sa film photography madaming benefits ang makukuha mo dito. From composition, to correct exposures, at kahit sa personality mo maaapektuhan. Just my humble opinion.

I have share my knowledge to some of the members here, and like I told them if you like to venture sa photography. Get a film camera and start learning the basics, get a notepad, jot down every event na kumukuha ka, settings mo everything. Gugulan niyo ng panahon wag madaliin, in the end you'll be surprised pag hawak mo ng digital eh "maning-mani nalang"

The only changes na nakita ko sa mga images between film and digital sa film I really love the grains natural yung mga yun at mahirap ireplicate sa mga softwares as far as I am concern and for me replicating grains eh mejo uhhemn, hehe. Sa digital naman wala naman akong maaangal sa solidity ng features clarity and vividness ng colors.

film = creativity bago shot
digital = shot bago creativity (paulit ulit na proseso ito at pag natumbok ang gusto may pattern na gagayahin nalang sa susunod na proyekto)

film = pag humawak ng DSLR tinkering time eh sandali nalang, dahil sa isang photog who handled film cameras before konting introduction nalang ang gagawin niya sa sarili niya.
digital = pag pinahawak mo ng full manual film camera, it would take time bago siya makakuha ng one decent shot.

film = you will get the discipline and attitude na dapat
digital = you will get what the specs would give you (mega pixels,image stabilization, effects etc)

again no offense mga bros at wala akong pinapanigan I am both film and digital photographer. These are just my honest opinions at observations
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2012, 09:56:52 AM »


 @palmmuteboi
  Thanks for that Sir.
 
  Film = creativity bago shot
  Film = you will get the discipline and attitude na dapat

 This what my Enthusiast friend was trying to tell me Sir and I quote from what he said

  "wait for the right moment"  so he challenged me to shoot in 36 shots from Digital SLR while

 He will use a film camera with 36 shots. My mind was playing as for a Photographer sheez that's easy

 and so I claimed but just in my deep thought while listening carefully because he was so tough on

 challenging me. Compared to my Photography experience I think his is still on process

 yes I sound so boastful but that was just again in my deep thought. I attended several classes and

 seminars here and abroad and never I heard that he attended in any. So claiming a point again.

 but that's it! Why on earth he would challenge me if he knows nothing? So I am taking the challenge

 but after this article I am working on. I will keep you guys posted.
 

 With regards your opinions Sir, so clearly you are already comfortable with Digital?

 and easier because of PP. I agree that film is also expensive, time-consuming and needing effort

 However there are still Photographers using film like I encountered last Friday. I was yes surprised

 and amazed.

 
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2012, 01:52:24 PM »

 @palmmuteboi
  Thanks for that Sir.
 
  Film = creativity bago shot
  Film = you will get the discipline and attitude na dapat

 This what my Enthusiast friend was trying to tell me Sir and I quote from what he said

  "wait for the right moment"  so he challenged me to shoot in 36 shots from Digital SLR while

 He will use a film camera with 36 shots. My mind was playing as for a Photographer sheez that's easy

 and so I claimed but just in my deep thought while listening carefully because he was so tough on

 challenging me. Compared to my Photography experience I think his is still on process

 yes I sound so boastful but that was just again in my deep thought. I attended several classes and

 seminars here and abroad and never I heard that he attended in any. So claiming a point again.

 but that's it! Why on earth he would challenge me if he knows nothing? So I am taking the challenge

 but after this article I am working on. I will keep you guys posted.
 

 With regards your opinions Sir, so clearly you are already comfortable with Digital?

 and easier because of PP. I agree that film is also expensive, time-consuming and needing effort

 However there are still Photographers using film like I encountered last Friday. I was yes surprised

 and amazed.

Yes and I still shoot film and dinadaan ko parin sa proseso yung mga kuha ko, theres something about film photography kasi. Well good to haer your story sir, aabangan ko ang updates mo dito. Its been a while since may nag post ng thread dito na may laman ang usapan. Thanks for sharing your opinions and story :)
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 08:28:53 PM »



 @palmmuteboi
  Thanks Sir. This topic is good most especially if other Photographers out there will

  participate and give their opinions and thoughts as well. This will help me a lot with

  my research. By the way my Enthusiast friend is using DSLR as well but he is in to

  challenges really and put Photographers in to it, like challenging me. I want to know

  more about non-digital Photography deeper and relate more.

  Please guys share anything you know about the topic. We definitely will learn a lot.

  TIA..
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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 01:59:47 AM »


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Re: Photography Before and Today
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 05:54:34 PM »


 @rockophoria
   
 What do you say about Digital and non-Digital? Since everything with Digital can be manipulated

by PP, do you think non-Digital gave you great shots with no PP at all?

I actually can not compare the technology before and today however I would like to know

 how it changed the Photography. Last Friday in my event I wasn't aware that there would be another

Photographer covering the event. He was an old man probably in his 50s and not sure what

brand he was carrying but also with a sure old flash. I sure wanted to have a chat with him after the

event. The sound of his camera caught my attention and made me want to speak to him unfortunately

I was so busy taking photos and wen I remembered of approaching the man, he was not around

anymore.

Anyway I am getting his infos from the event organizer. I will let you guys know his equipment and

his answers to my questions.

most of the aspects was already defined by palmmuteboi specially the "creativy before shot" and vice versa..

so let me add more:

one of the main differences between digital and film is the "photo quality" as perceived by the eyes.. being the film photos having a "physical quality" like texture, grain (as you can hold it) and the fact that ambient light goes outside in.. whereas in digital photography there is no physical quality (unless you print it in photo paper) but merely data, we look into the digital photograph with the light inside out as the computer monitor is backlit thus create a finer visual representation of the photograph with full resolution that is much finer to look at..

take for example.. a photograph taken with 2 different cameras (a digital and a film).. mounted in a tripod taking the same subject.. with same full manual settings.. say aperture at f/2.3, shutter at 150, and then have the film developed, then "scan" it to make it digital set it side by side with the digital shot.. will it look the same?

NO.. the scanned photograph will obviously look inferior with less details and color sharpness as it will also be based on how it was developed and how the scanner simulated the outside in lighting.. the digital photo will be scene it all its glory in full pixels as the digital sensor preserved the image in data pixels not with chemical film reaction that will be manipulated in a dark room to be developed.. the digital sensor preserved the shot already "where is and at is" unlike the film where it will go into several process before it can be viewed. (altho scanners vary, many scanners can scan a film photo shot on a high quality film thus can give a sharper high resolution scanned version of a film photograph)

how about the other way around? have the digital photo printed in a glossy 4R photo paper the same as the film developed photograph.. will it look the same? YES because the digital photograph was taken in the same settings as the film and printed on the same way (albeit printed) and quality as the film photo was printed..  no further manipulation was made (unless you photoshop it)..

as you can see on my film shots above the details are clearly distorted by the fact that it was a physical photograph scanned to become a digital one.. you can see the gloss reflections on the dark shades created by the scanning light that passed thru them to digitized them.. unless we do a "film to digital" process of development the photo quality will eventually varied.. unlike in digital will be relative.

so final arguments on the question between film and digital will vary on the truth that our technology is changing fast.. what makes people stick to film will obviously be because of 2 reasons: 1. Sentimental Value or 2. To be different and brag about "true photography skills".. (it was ALWAYS like that for me)

we all know how professional photographers feel about digital photography nowadays.. it made the even most novice rich kid own a professional grade photography gear.. only to take photos in "Auto Mode" but lets not take those away from people.. photography companies is a "business" and they will take advantage of this new trend by making more money by making cameras available to even the d*mbest of photography wannabes.. this is by making the camera simple.. intuitive.. user friendly and most importantly.. cheaper.

unlike the old days.. when one carry an SLR.. one is a professional photographer.. way back the SLR is so daunting to the eyes of normal citizens they wont dare using one.. that created "classes" between photography shooters.. it separated the "professionals" from the "novice" to the "point and shooters"..

unlike right now.. there is no longer any class among photography people.. all can own the gear as long as they have the money.. it only depends on the skill.. but it made the DSLR camera more "common" to people already.. we might as well call it "photography communism" it killed the class and eliminated the factions.. now even a college kid can walk among professional photographers.. and not be branded as "novice" because the fact that he also owns the gear the professionals have.

anyways.. all of these are based on my own experience.. and my opinions are justified by the fact that I was mentored by a professional film photographer (my late uncle) and used those knowledge to enjoy film photography.. until I shifted to digital photography.. tried all the gears.. enjoyed using it.. and eventually get tired of all the BS and sold it all.. until I settled to the "bridge" and "micro fourthirds" systems.  :)

hope I did not raised some eyebrows.. I loved film photography, there are even films that has higher resolution than a full frame high end DSLR but this will always be my personal take on the "film and digital photography" argument.  :-D
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2012, 05:55:10 AM »
All have been said... we have the same feelings hehehe... i belong to the " Before " ( 1995 to 2007 ) and also to the " Today " ( 2004 to present )
" Today " includes the use of those DIGITAL CAMS ( since napakamahal pa ng DSLR noon ) Olympus 2.0 MP cams, and some "pambato ng mangga " canons and kodaks....

I still have with me as treasures, my Pentax K1000 and Canons AE-1 and EOS650.

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