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Offline deltaslim

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« Reply #775 on: May 25, 2008, 07:57:57 AM »
since wala pang sumasagot ng tanong mo, ako na lang bro.  :-D

kung starter acoustic amp ang hanap mo, siguro pwede na yung 30-watts na Laney.  ang alam ko may nagbebenta ng Laney acoustic amp sa classifieds hanapin mo na lang.

Isa-suggest ko sana yung Marshall ASD pero mahal bnew.  I'm selling my 100w pero ang pagpresyo ko sa kanya yung "presyong ayaw ibenta".  :-D

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« Reply #776 on: May 25, 2008, 02:27:52 PM »
Salamat po =)

sige magiipon ako para sa 30watt na Laney Acoustic amp.

=) 100 watts? sasabog ung church namin nyan heheheh

salamat salamat salamat po
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« Reply #777 on: May 25, 2008, 08:47:31 PM »
di ba pwedeng isaksak mo na lang sa sound system ng church nyo?
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« Reply #778 on: May 26, 2008, 12:21:47 AM »
Isa-suggest ko sana yung Marshall ASD pero mahal bnew.  I'm selling my 100w pero ang pagpresyo ko sa kanya yung "presyong ayaw ibenta".  :-D

mukhang hindi pa nya kaya ang Marshall mo financially sir delta. 

dati ko parin nakikita sa classifieds yan eh.  bakit hindi mo na lang i-retract sir?  magandang amplification yan for your new fingerstyle vids dba?
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« Reply #779 on: May 26, 2008, 12:24:23 AM »
di ba pwedeng isaksak mo na lang sa sound system ng church nyo?

+1 dito Kim. 

pang-church pala ang amp mo kala ko personal use lang.  mas maganda kung i-rekta mo na lang sa sound system ng church.  bili ka na lang ng DI box or acoustic effects para gumanda tunog ng acoustic mo.  mas makakatipid ka pa kesa amp ang kunin mo.
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« Reply #780 on: May 26, 2008, 08:48:57 PM »
Pwede po ba ung dalawang acoustic sa isang d.i/sound system?

tanong ko nga po sa kanila,

sabi kasi

Bili daw ako amp =0

ok cge po try ko,

magkano ba ung d.i?

may d.i ba na pwedeng dalwanga acoustic ang naka saksak?
or isang d.i sa isang acoustic? then nakasaksak sa sound system 2 acoustic na may tig isang d.i?
dalawang acoustic po kasi sa church, 1 is akin.
direct noh? na parang mic lang.
salamat sa mga reply =)
« Last Edit: May 26, 2008, 09:11:32 PM by DumbKim »
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« Reply #781 on: May 26, 2008, 09:32:51 PM »
direct boxes?

try this for 2 inputs, 2 outputs. available locally to... gusto ko nga bumili nito eh to maximize the stereo outs of my chorus.
http://www.behringer.com/DI20/index.cfm?lang=ENG

eto pa
http://www.behringer.com/ADI21/index.cfm?lang=ENG
acoustic preamp+direct box. i might get one soon...

eto rin available at the music source <i own one, closest thing to a boss direct box which i like very much>
http://www.artproaudio.com/products.asp?type=90&cat=13&id=102

lr baggs is on my wishing well list. heheh. cheers!

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« Reply #782 on: May 26, 2008, 10:32:17 PM »
Kim, try mo rin yung Samson DI Plus.  available sya sa Audiophile.  2 inputs din.  ang alam ko almost the same price with Behringer (if not a little cheaper).

@strummer:

san available yung ART bro?
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« Reply #783 on: May 26, 2008, 11:00:50 PM »
Pwede po ba ung dalawang acoustic sa isang d.i/sound system?

ANG DIRECT INJECTION BOX (DI BOX) AY ONE IS TO ONE....ONE INPUT THAT CAN BE SPLIT TO LINE OUT (TO YOUR COMBO AMP) AND/OR XLR (BALANCED OUTPUT) TO THE MIXER.

MERON DI BOX THAT HAS SEVERAL INs/OUTs - 4 IN/4 OUT OR 8 IN/ 8 OUT. PWEDE KANG MAGPAGAWA HANGGANG ILAN NA KAILANGAN MO.... but YOU DO NOT GET TO HAVE FLEXIBILITY IN YOUR STAGE MOVEMENT KUNG LAHAT AY NASA ISANG PHYSICAL BOX. IMAGINE TWO GUITAR PLAYERS CONNECTED TO ONE 4" X 2" BOX ON STAGE IN THE BIG DOME.
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« Reply #784 on: May 26, 2008, 11:14:20 PM »
Question.. Ok lang ba magpalit-palit ng piezo ng acoustic guitar? I mean can we just pull-out a stock pickup of a Yamaha (actiVE)  and put a fishman piezo?
Thanks

YES YOU CAN CHANGE AS MANY TIMES AS YOU LIKE BUT!!... UNDER THE SADDLE TRANSDUCERS (UST) HAVE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS.... IF YOU INSTALL A TALLER ONE THAN THE ONE YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED... YOU WOULD HAVE A HIGHER ACTION. IF YOU INSTALL A SHORTER...THEN CORRESPONDINGLY WILL LOWER THE ACTION..... IN OTHER WORDS YOU WILL HAVE TO SHIM OR SHAVE OFF THE BOTTOM OF YOUR PLASTIC/BONE SADDLE TO MAINTAIN YOUR ACTION.

ANOTHER THING TO WATCH OUT FOR IS THE WIDTH (THICKNESS)...MOST SADDLE SLOTS ARE EITHER 3/32" OR 1/8"...SO CHOOSE YOUR UST TO FIT YOUR SADDLE SLOT WIDTH (AS WELL AS THE LENGHT!!)
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« Reply #785 on: May 26, 2008, 11:24:22 PM »
+1 dito Kim. 

pang-church pala ang amp mo kala ko personal use lang.  mas maganda kung i-rekta mo na lang sa sound system ng church.  bili ka na lang ng DI box or acoustic effects para gumanda tunog ng acoustic mo.  mas makakatipid ka pa kesa amp ang kunin mo.

IT IS NOT ADVISABLE TO PLUG (1/4 PL) YOUR GUITAR DIRECT TO THE CHURCH MIXER. IBA ANG LINE LEVEL (PL TO PL)  SA BALANCED (XLR) INPUT. KAILANGAN MA 'TRANSFORM' ANG LINE (UNBALANCED) TO BALANCED MIC SIGNAL LEVEL (XLR) USING A DI BOX.

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« Reply #786 on: May 27, 2008, 12:52:31 AM »
Kim, try mo rin yung Samson DI Plus.  available sya sa Audiophile.  2 inputs din.  ang alam ko almost the same price with Behringer (if not a little cheaper).

@strummer:

san available yung ART bro?

got mine from the music source sa may edsa branch. great buy!!
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« Reply #787 on: May 27, 2008, 08:45:44 AM »
got mine from the music source sa may edsa branch. great buy!!

san sa edsa to bro?  wala talaga akong idea eh.  and how much ba?  thanks!
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« Reply #788 on: May 27, 2008, 08:54:39 AM »
IT IS NOT ADVISABLE TO PLUG (1/4 PL) YOUR GUITAR DIRECT TO THE CHURCH MIXER. IBA ANG LINE LEVEL (PL TO PL)  SA BALANCED (XLR) INPUT. KAILANGAN MA 'TRANSFORM' ANG LINE (UNBALANCED) TO BALANCED MIC SIGNAL LEVEL (XLR) USING A DI BOX.

sir GGBR, are ART DI boxes any good?  comparable to Boss?
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« Reply #789 on: May 27, 2008, 09:36:31 AM »
sir GGBR, are ART DI boxes any good?  comparable to Boss?

Boss is not known for DIs, ART makes good preamps/DIs. hearing an A-B actual test would be the best way to judge.

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« Reply #790 on: May 27, 2008, 10:08:20 AM »
Boss is not known for DIs, ART makes good preamps/DIs. hearing an A-B actual test would be the best way to judge.

thanks!  :-)
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« Reply #791 on: May 27, 2008, 10:14:59 AM »
Boss is not known for DIs, ART makes good preamps/DIs. hearing an A-B actual test would be the best way to judge.

i personally liked the boss di box for the features. halos lahat ng features nasa art except for the 1/4 plug na balanced out. i dont hear any difference in sound. impedance matching lang naman ginagawa so i dont give much fuzz about it lalo sa acoustic guitar ko lang naman siya ginagamit.

btw have you guys seen acoustic preamps locally available? aside from the behringer of course



@ maxi...
malapit lang siya sa sm north banda, going north left side siya before munoz. i think there's a forumite here from the company. the music source/ tms yung name niya dito

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« Reply #792 on: May 27, 2008, 10:28:54 AM »
btw have you guys seen acoustic preamps locally available? aside from the behringer of course

@ maxi...
malapit lang siya sa sm north banda, going north left side siya before munoz. i think there's a forumite here from the company. the music source/ tms yung name niya dito

ah ok..pero around how much ba ang price nya?  ang Boss DI alam ko mga 6k-7k eh.

as for acoustic preamps, i don't think there are other brands locally available aside from the behringer.  order ka na lang either kina BossingBoss or captainsatch.
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« Reply #793 on: May 27, 2008, 10:43:27 AM »
ah ok..pero around how much ba ang price nya?  ang Boss DI alam ko mga 6k-7k eh.

as for acoustic preamps, i don't think there are other brands locally available aside from the behringer.  order ka na lang either kina BossingBoss or captainsatch.

di ko na maalala how much bro. contact mo na lang. honga ala masyado acoustic preamps. i myt have to settle for the behringer. mukhang okey naman eh. heheh
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« Reply #794 on: May 27, 2008, 10:49:22 AM »
Try research sa Harmony Central (reviews) then, kay Bossing Boss. :-)
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« Reply #795 on: May 27, 2008, 11:06:24 AM »
di ko na maalala how much bro. contact mo na lang. honga ala masyado acoustic preamps. i myt have to settle for the behringer. mukhang okey naman eh. heheh

preamp lang ba talaga gusto mo bro?  maganda ang reviews sa Zoom A2.  mas maganda daw compared sa 504II acoustic.
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« Reply #796 on: May 27, 2008, 12:15:52 PM »
sir GGBR, are ART DI boxes any good?  comparable to Boss?

Sori Maxi, we have not encountered use of ART nor Boss... what we have been using are Klark Teknik, Presonus, Radial, ProCo and Whirlwind and I think we have an Avalon....

What is critical is that you find out the output impedance your pickup (active, piezo, condenser mic, etc.., etc.) generates and match the input impedance range of the DI you intend to use.

Remember that there are two basic DI types - ACTIVE and PASSIVE. Active uses electronics (powered externally- phantom/AC Adaptor or by internal battery) to transform input to the correct XLR output to match with the mixer's. The passive uses transformers to achieve the matching.

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« Reply #797 on: May 27, 2008, 12:27:28 PM »
Two quotes from a U.S. forum of FOH techs which I feel are noteworthy, especially if you do short-cuts by using a converted cable such as--- PL plug-to-XLR plug...

"Be careful. Some balanced TRS outputs may not take kindly to being fed phantom power, if your mixer doesn't have individual switches for each channels power but you're using phantom for condensors / DIs or whatever then you could be in for some interesting, and potentially expensive, moments.

I'd use a DI."
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"I tend to like to use passive direct boxes for a number of purposes:

1. To electrically isolate the stage gear from the mixer in order to safely prevent potential ground loops, that is without using ground prong "lifters" which are NEVER recommended.

2. To isolate the destination from RF contamination that could have been picked up by the instrument and/or the cable. (MAXI, YOU WILL HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS WHILE PLAYING YOUR ACOUSTIC IN THE HIGHER FLOORS OF BUILDINGS)

3. A passive direct box provides a very high impedance load to the source, as well as a very low driving impedance to the mixer, both of which help preserve the bandwidth and dynamics of the instrument, as well as providing an impedance balanced line.

Having said this, it is important to be sure that you use GOOD transformers, such as Jensen (Radial uses them in their JDI), or Lundahl. Also Radial has some fairly good transformers in their Pro series direct boxes. This is important because cheap transformers can essentially neuter the sound of the source, leaving it dull, thin, compressed, lifeless, etc. In other words, not all direct boxes are created equal.

As far as active units go, they also provide very high input impedances, which can be helpful for sensitive guitar pickups. Power, usually phantom, is required, and they can add noise if the circuitry is not very clean. Again, quality is important."
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« Reply #798 on: May 27, 2008, 01:46:34 PM »
WOW, =)

pinagpapala ako sa tulong ng mga tao dito =)

maraming salamat PM people =)

ayun, ngaun nasagot na ang katanungan ko...

meron na akong 2k in hand sa tingin ko onti nalang iipunin ko ano?

magkano po ba to?

http://www.behringer.com/DI20/index.cfm?lang=ENG

yan...

=)

ang hirap ng buhay mahirap hahahahahah

=)

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« Reply #799 on: May 27, 2008, 03:29:28 PM »
Kim, hindi ko alam kung magkano ang behringer di box na yan.  tingin ka na lang sa mga behringer stores.

there are also cheap di boxes available in Audiophile.

ito yung dual inputs. - around 2,400 ang price
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1754&brandID=2

ito yung single input lang. - around 1,900 ang price
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1603&brandID=2
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