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« Reply #925 on: July 06, 2008, 06:59:24 PM »
I have been looking for a duet whom could do "DUELING BANJOS" from the movie Deliverance (starring Bert Reynolds, if I remember right???)

We used to do an abridged version of it in my acoustic group, segueing into Bugle Call Rag, with me on banjo (not note-perfect copy though).  I've hung up the banjo in favor of learning to play better guitar and more songs first. :-D

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« Reply #926 on: July 06, 2008, 07:27:34 PM »
There we are.....a banjo player!! Please let us know where we can hear your good music! My ears are hungry for music,  artistry and not hardware & all the wanna-have-these...wanna-have-those kind of talks.

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« Reply #927 on: July 06, 2008, 07:53:42 PM »
...not hardware & all the wanna-have-these...wanna-have-those kind of talks.

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« Reply #928 on: July 06, 2008, 08:40:16 PM »
There we are.....a banjo player!! Please let us know where we can hear your good music! My ears are hungry for music,  artistry and not hardware & all the wanna-have-these...wanna-have-those kind of talks.

Chito - I invite you to come on down to Backdoor Blues Cafe any Sat night, but on July 19 especially since I/my group is playing, also July 24 at Conspiracy Cafe, if you wanna hear some good acoustic music. 

But, alas, I don't play banjo anymore and never really got "good" at it.  Only enough so we can cover some old timey/bluegrass tunes (Flat & Scruggs, Stanley Bros, JD Crowe, Bill Monroe, Ricky Scaggs, AKUS, "Foggy Bottom Boys", etc.).  These days, I just adapt my guitjo (6 string banjo) to play the same tunes.

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« Reply #929 on: July 06, 2008, 08:52:12 PM »
Btw, the acoustic group I'm talking about is "Jook Jam" - a cross between a streetcorner/jug band and the early blues groups (Famous Hokum Boys, Sonny Boy Wiliamson's group on the King Biscuit Hour radio show, Muddy Waters's group, Howlin Wolf's group, etc.)... although we play a very broad range of material, from old timey and country blues to ragtime and even gospel/spirituals.



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« Reply #930 on: July 06, 2008, 11:05:48 PM »
Maxi, when you mentioned Jim Croce, I remembered that way back too many years ago I used to play Time in a Bottle, so I picked up the guitar and damned if it didn't come out almost intact.  Amazing how that happens... not like I remember the words or anything, but that may be a good thing.  Pag kumanta ako sa banyo, bumalik yung tubig sa gripo...

I'd like to play Lover's Cross, always liked that song, but somehow it really needs 2 guitars.  Jim and Maury really had it down...

i think i still have a Jim Croce cassette tape from my dad's collection.  i'll go over his songs during the week.  i know (at least knew) how to play Time in a Bottle, I Have To Say I Love You In A Song, and Operator.

back then i can only fingerpick the rhythm parts of Croce songs.  i'll try doing the solo parts when i listen to the songs again.
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« Reply #931 on: July 06, 2008, 11:13:17 PM »
interestingly enough, Glory of Love is a pop song!  i just did my own take on Big Bill Broonzy's bluesified version of it.

i think i'm a little lost.  who did the Glory of Love original version?
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« Reply #932 on: July 07, 2008, 08:12:26 AM »
i think i'm a little lost.  who did the Glory of Love original version?

A little research tells me this:

Words & Music by William Hill
Recorded by Benny Goodman, 1936

Not sure if Goodman's Orchestra was the first to record/play it. Big Bill Broonzy's version was recorded in 1940s or 50s, I think.

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« Reply #933 on: July 07, 2008, 09:25:32 AM »
Does anyone here use 13's on their acoustic? It's killing my fingers.. but the tone is BIG. :-)

I might go down to 12's when I change strings next time.. naawa ako sa fingers ko, it feels a bit too stiff, and I don't get to play too often nowadays.

i'm using 13's on my acoustic, i think your guitar needs setup. dapat kahit papano "malambot" yan. but going down to 12's isn't a bad idea either. maybe your guitar nut was setup using 12-11's...
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« Reply #934 on: July 07, 2008, 10:20:37 AM »
Maybe so. I think going down to 12's is better because I don't get to play too often anymore. Lalambot ang fingers ko nito eh.

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« Reply #935 on: July 07, 2008, 11:39:10 AM »
@red_strat ..

playing on acoustic will strengthen your fingers..  :-D kaya go acoustic na !!
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« Reply #936 on: July 07, 2008, 12:50:28 PM »
Does anyone here use 13's on their acoustic? It's killing my fingers.. but the tone is BIG. :-)

I might go down to 12's when I change strings next time.. naawa ako sa fingers ko, it feels a bit too stiff, and I don't get to play too often nowadays.

13s?!?!  and going down to 12s?!  gosh man...you must have rock hard fingers.  :-D

i prefer 11s or 10s.  when i used 12s, i found it difficult to put accent on my playing since they are just so....hard (for lack of better term  :-D).  i play a percussive style of fingerpicking and based on my experience, i can do this style better with 11s or 10s.
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« Reply #937 on: July 07, 2008, 12:57:59 PM »
A little research tells me this:

Words & Music by William Hill
Recorded by Benny Goodman, 1936

Not sure if Goodman's Orchestra was the first to record/play it. Big Bill Broonzy's version was recorded in 1940s or 50s, I think.

wow...that song goes way back pala.  1936. 

i'll look for the original and try to play around with it.  :-)
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« Reply #938 on: July 07, 2008, 01:22:12 PM »
13s?!?!  and going down to 12s?!  gosh man...you must have rock hard fingers.  :-D

i prefer 11s or 10s.  when i used 12s, i found it difficult to put accent on my playing since they are just so....hard (for lack of better term  :-D).  i play a percussive style of fingerpicking and based on my experience, i can do this style better with 11s or 10s.

ewan ko ah pero dapat hindi ganun ka tigas yung strings when using 13's or 12's.. basta naka setup lang ng maayos. wala akong problems sa guitar na naka 13's basta naka setup. pero yng cats eyes ko baka i switch ko ng 12's kasi mas maganda tunog nya sa 12's. hindi "boomy" ...
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« Reply #939 on: July 07, 2008, 01:33:34 PM »
ewan ko ah pero dapat hindi ganun ka tigas yung strings when using 13's or 12's..

baka hindi lang talaga ako sanay sa 13s or 12s.  :-D

pero hindi ba inherent narin sa gauge na matigas sila?
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« Reply #940 on: July 07, 2008, 01:42:15 PM »
13's!!!  :-o you guys have hands of steel. hahah. papasa na yan sa bass guitar eh... hahah. 11 na talaga max ko. nakakatakot din kasi baka hindi kayanin ng guitar ko yung tension. heheh
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« Reply #941 on: July 07, 2008, 01:42:57 PM »
matigas talaga  :-D

pero basta tama yung spacing dun sa nut. kahit papano mas "lalambot" kasi hindi na iipit yung strings.
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« Reply #942 on: July 07, 2008, 02:18:41 PM »
Backdoor Blues Cafe any Sat night, but on July 19 especially since I/my group is playing,

Please let us know the address of this cafe....

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« Reply #943 on: July 07, 2008, 02:23:21 PM »
ggbr,
its in sikatuna village QC

check..

http://backdoorbluescafe.multiply.com
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« Reply #944 on: July 09, 2008, 09:16:21 AM »
Anybody else noticed this?

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,100078.0.html

I mean, it's a laminated body, and it's not like I need another 6-string... but still, nice guitar and a reasonable price, something always starts twitching when I see stuff like this.  Harmony Central reviews say good things about them, though the adjustable bridge on some is generally seen as a tone-killer.
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« Reply #945 on: July 09, 2008, 03:21:45 PM »
Anybody else noticed this?

http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,100078.0.html

I mean, it's a laminated body, and it's not like I need another 6-string... but still, nice guitar and a reasonable price, something always starts twitching when I see stuff like this.  Harmony Central reviews say good things about them, though the adjustable bridge on some is generally seen as a tone-killer.

30K for a laminate?  hmmmmm...i'm not too sure on this.  :-)
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« Reply #946 on: July 09, 2008, 04:43:12 PM »
Well, not like it's cheap, but you'd expect to pay something for a 27 year old Gibson in decent condition.  It's about the same or a little less than the same guitar would fetch on the US second hand market, which is always an interesting sign.  If it wasn't 12 hrs away I might want to stop by and see what it sounds like.

The whole laminate vs solid issue... well, a really well made laminate guitar can sound better than a shabbily made solid, and what it's all about is sound and playability.

I figure there's two kinds of guitars really, the lifetime guitars and the others.  If you find one that sounds right and feels right and is built to last, that's worth paying for because it's gonna stay with you for the duration.  Of course this is coming from someone whose bicycle is worth more than his truck, which to me just means I have my priorities straight  :-D.
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« Reply #947 on: July 09, 2008, 05:13:45 PM »
baka hindi lang talaga ako sanay sa 13s or 12s.  :-D

pero hindi ba inherent narin sa gauge na matigas sila?

Ang alam ko oo. Then again, I haven't tried a guitar on 13's or 12's that's really setup for that particular gauge. If I remember correctly, setup for 11's lang yata ang acoustic ko. :lol:

I know the jump from 11's to 13's is pretty drastic. (I'll admit, masakit talaga siya sa kamay.. 20-30 mins. lang) Tonewise parang stiff na rin yung tunog para sakin. It's boomy, and I like that.. but it doesn't 'sing' that much for me anymore.
10's & 11's for me sound almost the same (I don't have the best ears). So perhaps 12's would be the just right balance of tone & comfort.

@dantuts - yes, I'll be using my acoustic more when I get the rare chance to play or practice. Na-baby ng 10's sa strat ko ang fingers ko eh. :|

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« Reply #948 on: July 09, 2008, 07:43:33 PM »
Well, not like it's cheap, but you'd expect to pay something for a 27 year old Gibson in decent condition.  It's about the same or a little less than the same guitar would fetch on the US second hand market, which is always an interesting sign.  If it wasn't 12 hrs away I might want to stop by and see what it sounds like.

The whole laminate vs solid issue... well, a really well made laminate guitar can sound better than a shabbily made solid, and what it's all about is sound and playability.

I figure there's two kinds of guitars really, the lifetime guitars and the others.  If you find one that sounds right and feels right and is built to last, that's worth paying for because it's gonna stay with you for the duration.  Of course this is coming from someone whose bicycle is worth more than his truck, which to me just means I have my priorities straight  :-D.

heheh. nice points dayuhan. well the place is near the church i go to so i might drop by to check it out. i dont have the dough for it though. hahah. i haven't tried playing a gibson acoustic <tried an epiphone though> so i might just try it just to give myself an idea of how acoustic gibsons sound like.
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« Reply #949 on: July 09, 2008, 08:35:25 PM »
Always worth trying out another guitar... let us know what you think, if you get your hands on it!

And speaking of Epiphones... well, this is beyond a long shot, but somewhere in Manila, unless some unspeakable piece of slime has destroyed it, there is a late 70s Epiphone PR765 that was stolen from my house in the QC in 1991.  There wouldn't be more than one in the country, it's an unusual guitar even on the other side of the pond, not many were made.  Fancy, 3-piece rosewood back, spruce top with a few repaired but still visible cracks, lots of inlay.

Anyone's ever seen it, let me know, I'd gladly buy it back.  Sentiment and all...
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