True Acoustic Tone

[GGBR]

3 yrs ago i was able to get a martin 00016rgte (may top crack) for 37k and a martin 00015 mint cond for 30k... marami pang ibang examples, like a gibson j100 extra brand new from rj for only 35k, and a used gibson blues king for 35k.... at present medyo mas mahal na pasahan.... but w/ 40k, i think you can get an all solid guitar na... yun seagull na minention mo uses cherry as back and sides... not really typical... ive also tried a higher end seagull (artist series ata), i wast impressed... matigas tumunog

MAXI, DO LISTEN HERE ABOVE. I CANNOT MAKE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE SEAGULL (- IS I BELIEVE AN OFFSHOOT OF EITHER GODIN OR WAS IT LARIVEE, ALL CANADIAN ORIGINS; LARIVEE IS VERY AFFORDABLE AND GOOD VALUE!!) AS IT IS DISTRIBUTED BY PEOPLE KNOWN TO ME. THE OTHER JAP BRAND IS BETTER BUT.... I WILL SEND YOU A PRIVATE MESSAGE NOW!

[GGBR]

Also Maxi, do check and evaluate thoroughly pre-installed onboard preamps which are usually of China origins. The only Asian-made preamp which I have learned to consider due to its being the OEM of some US known brands is ARTEC. THey are VERY well rated. Check Harmony-Central. Otherwise, I will recommend only at the moment the AER AK-15 UST (under the saddle) + condener mic package available at JB. VERY VERY reasonable for it's NAME and tonal quality. For pickups, it would be best to have external preamps. Consider the following brands which are tops in the acoustic fields - K & K (Western mini), Highlander (IP series), LG Baggs I-beam, B-band from Finland, or Pickup The World. These are used by the pros.

Have good sound of an evening!

[maxi_musikero]

@farseer

thanks for the advice...i think i'm gonna stay away from them seagulls.     kaya ko sila na-consider kc since it's with godin naman, i thought they would sound ok.  but, as Sir GGBR said, i should listen to ur advice.  thanks!   

@Lahed92801

i hope u continue ur classical guitar bro!  i started classical guitar when i was 12yrs old.  cguro back then at that age i really can't appreciate the music that i'm producing!  hehehe!  but godspeed to you bro!   

@GGBR

thanks for the advice on the guitars as well as the pickups.  but i somewhat didn't get the meaning of the pickup acronyms u mentioned.  i wasn't able to read ur private message since i'm still in the office..yahoo mail is blocked here!  hehehe!  but i will try to read it as soon as i am able!  again, thanks very much!   

[strummer]

suggest naman kayo maganda external acoustic preamp na available dito sa pinas. am looking into adi-21, hartke acoustic attack, or the bbe acoustimax kasi..

[GGBR]

@GGBR

thanks for the advice on the guitars as well as the pickups.  but i somewhat didn't get the meaning of the pickup acronyms u mentioned.  i wasn't able to read ur private message since i'm still in the office..yahoo mail is blocked here!  hehehe!  but i will try to read it as soon as i am able!  again, thanks very much!   

Those were not acronyms. They are the actual names/brands of pickups.

"Surf and you will find."

Remember this! The names which do not sound familiar ARE...THE NAMES to recon with.

[maxi_musikero]

Those were not acronyms. They are the actual names/brands of pickups.

"Surf and you will find."

Remember this! The names which do not sound familiar ARE...THE NAMES to recon with.

those were not acronyms?  hehehe!  makes me realize how unfamiliar i am with acoustic gear. 

thanks for the great advice sir! 

[maxi_musikero]

Also Maxi, do check and evaluate thoroughly pre-installed onboard preamps which are usually of China origins. The only Asian-made preamp which I have learned to consider due to its being the OEM of some US known brands is ARTEC. THey are VERY well rated. Check Harmony-Central. Otherwise, I will recommend only at the moment the AER AK-15 UST (under the saddle) + condener mic package available at JB. VERY VERY reasonable for it's NAME and tonal quality. For pickups, it would be best to have external preamps. Consider the following brands which are tops in the acoustic fields - K & K (Western mini), Highlander (IP series), LG Baggs I-beam, B-band from Finland, or Pickup The World. These are used by the pros.

Have good sound of an evening!

i have some questions on this sir. 

so if i try out these preamps, does that mean i have to buy an acoustic that has no preamp/pickup to begin with?  as in pure acoustic lang?  so that these preamps will be installed subsequently nalang?   

[Kulas]

i have some questions on this sir. 

so if i try out these preamps, does that mean i have to buy an acoustic that has no preamp/pickup to begin with?  as in pure acoustic lang?  so that these preamps will be installed subsequently nalang?   

ey bro, for me that's the better way to go, hehe. buy a good sounding acoustic guitar (without a pickup) then saka mo bilhan ng mga pickups and preamps. that way, kung acoustic lang hanap mo to begin with, you'll buy the better sounding ones (acoustically) so then pag nilagyan mo na ng pickup, most likely maganda pa rin tunog ng acoustic mo amplified.

ako baggs boy ako, sobrang recommended ko yun. yung AER ni GGBR maganda rin. i have my reservations sa fishman naman, hehe. get an outboard preamp, para hindi mo na butasan yung acoustic.

[farseer]

nagbalik na si kulas

+1 sa sinabi mo bro

[schnitzerz4]

yup AER the best kahit ako nagulat =)

thanks nga pala kay sir GGBR sa tips =)

[maxi_musikero]

ey bro, for me that's the better way to go, hehe. buy a good sounding acoustic guitar (without a pickup) then saka mo bilhan ng mga pickups and preamps. that way, kung acoustic lang hanap mo to begin with, you'll buy the better sounding ones (acoustically) so then pag nilagyan mo na ng pickup, most likely maganda pa rin tunog ng acoustic mo amplified.

ako baggs boy ako, sobrang recommended ko yun. yung AER ni GGBR maganda rin. i have my reservations sa fishman naman, hehe. get an outboard preamp, para hindi mo na butasan yung acoustic.

thanks Sir Kulas!  i was waiting for your reply sa mga posts ko.  

that was what i was thinking sir...para ndi masyadong mahal, i would buy an acoustic guitar without a preamp tpos kabitan nalang.  how do outboard preamps work sir?  and do u need a separate pickup for these outboard preamps?  

thanks very much!  

[Kulas]

thanks Sir Kulas!  i was waiting for your reply sa mga posts ko.  

that was what i was thinking sir...para ndi masyadong mahal, i would buy an acoustic guitar without a preamp tpos kabitan nalang.  how do outboard preamps work sir?  and do u need a separate pickup for these outboard preamps?  

thanks very much!  

well, first of all, you need a pickup. yun talaga yung kailangan mo muna install sa acoustic mo. get a passive pickup/transducer then pakabit mo sa acoustic mo. then next is for you to buy an outboard preamp, outboard meaning it isn't installed directly into your acoustic. yung outboard preamp na yung pinaka-tone shaping/boost/sometimes DI box mo. it shapes the sound of the pickup you installed. in my case, i have a baggs para acoustic DI/preamp bale it boosts the signal of my ribbon transducer, then adds EQ controls, notch filter and presence.

[maxi_musikero]

well, first of all, you need a pickup. yun talaga yung kailangan mo muna install sa acoustic mo. get a passive pickup/transducer then pakabit mo sa acoustic mo. then next is for you to buy an outboard preamp, outboard meaning it isn't installed directly into your acoustic. yung outboard preamp na yung pinaka-tone shaping/boost/sometimes DI box mo. it shapes the sound of the pickup you installed. in my case, i have a baggs para acoustic DI/preamp bale it boosts the signal of my ribbon transducer, then adds EQ controls, notch filter and presence.

pag nag-install ng pickup sir, dba bubutasan parin ung gitara for the input?  yun kasi ung slight fear ko...hindi pa ko nakakapag-customize ng gitara.  ung likod nga ng ovation ko ndi ko pa mabuksan kahit screw lng yun..hehehe!   

sori kung mejo slow sa uptake...this is very new stuff for me.  thanks!   

[GGBR]

Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....

[farseer]

Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....

tumpak

[Kulas]

pag nag-install ng pickup sir, dba bubutasan parin ung gitara for the input?  yun kasi ung slight fear ko...hindi pa ko nakakapag-customize ng gitara.  ung likod nga ng ovation ko ndi ko pa mabuksan kahit screw lng yun..hehehe!   

sori kung mejo slow sa uptake...this is very new stuff for me.  thanks!   

yeah, bubutasan sha. both under the saddle and on the endpin. but those are very discreet compared to making a hole on the top side of your guitar to fit a small box in. usually the output jacks are fitted sa endpin eh. and hindi naman ikaw yung gagawa nun yourself. of course sa lutihier na.

[maxi_musikero]

Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....

kaya nga i was waiting for his replies sa mga previous posts ko eh!   

[maxi_musikero]

yeah, bubutasan sha. both under the saddle and on the endpin. but those are very discreet compared to making a hole on the top side of your guitar to fit a small box in. usually the output jacks are fitted sa endpin eh. and hindi naman ikaw yung gagawa nun yourself. of course sa lutihier na.

thanks for the advice sir!  ano pong mga magagandang pickup brands here in the philippines?  and meron po bang pickup na hindi nakakabit sa soundhole?  i want the front of my guitar to be immaculate kasi as much as possible.   

thanks very much!   

[Kulas]

thanks for the advice sir!  ano pong mga magagandang pickup brands here in the philippines?  and meron po bang pickup na hindi nakakabit sa soundhole?  i want the front of my guitar to be immaculate kasi as much as possible.   

thanks very much!   

yup the under-saddle pickups i was talking about are very discreet, hehe. nilalagay sha sa ilalim ng saddle. so pag hindi sha plugged, you wouldn't think that it had a pickup.

yun lang, the sad thing here in the philippines, hindi readily available yung mga magagandang acoustic pickups. the only ones being sold here are AER and seymour duncan. i don't know kung may distributor ng fishman or martin or l.r. baggs dito. dati meron pero nagsara na.

teka maxi, ano ba guitar mo?

[maxi_musikero]

yup the under-saddle pickups i was talking about are very discreet, hehe. nilalagay sha sa ilalim ng saddle. so pag hindi sha plugged, you wouldn't think that it had a pickup.

yun lang, the sad thing here in the philippines, hindi readily available yung mga magagandang acoustic pickups. the only ones being sold here are AER and seymour duncan. i don't know kung may distributor ng fishman or martin or l.r. baggs dito. dati meron pero nagsara na.

teka maxi, ano ba guitar mo?

ovation tangent, multi-sound hole with OP30 pickup.

but i'm planning to buy an all-wood pag nakaipon...im thinking mga 2-3 months at the least.  i received so many useful comments and suggestions in this thread, particularly kina Sir GGBR and Sir Farseer.   

[Kulas]

ovation tangent, multi-sound hole with OP30 pickup.

but i'm planning to buy an all-wood pag nakaipon...im thinking mga 2-3 months at the least.  i received so many useful comments and suggestions in this thread, particularly kina Sir GGBR and Sir Farseer.   

how much is your budget? hehehe.

bilhin mo na lang isa sa mga guild ni farseer, hehehe. sulit yun, diba doc? or get one old japanese made acoustic guitars from pier, then restore mo. so far i've liked the tones of the old acoustics from japan, kahit hindi sha solid wood, for some reason maganda tunog nila, hehe.

[maxi_musikero]

how much is your budget? hehehe.

bilhin mo na lang isa sa mga guild ni farseer, hehehe. sulit yun, diba doc? or get one old japanese made acoustic guitars from pier, then restore mo. so far i've liked the tones of the old acoustics from japan, kahit hindi sha solid wood, for some reason maganda tunog nila, hehe.

P40k po target budget.  TARGET palang Sir Kulas!  hehehe!  kaya at least 2-3months before ako makaipon ng ganong cash.  iniisip ko ung installment basis kaya ko na-mention sa previous threads ko ung Seagull S6 sa PP.  kc dba pag sale dun pwedeng 0% installment payment?  para hindi isang buhusan..hehe!  but sbi ni Sir Farseer pag may ganung budget daw ako, stay away from seagulls.  mejo matigas daw ung tunog ng mga hi-end seagulls.  he recommended na bumili ako ng used martins, taylors and other used hi-ends.

what you think Sir Kulas?   

[Poundcake]

Max,

Kulas is the acoustic master....his words are the 'law'....

But you are still our tonewood master, GGBR! Kidding

maxi_musikero, mahirap maghanap ng saktong guitar especially with a tight budget, pero just test and test so that you'll be able to find that diamond in the rough. The Fernando acoustic guitar that GGBR brought before sounded really good; even the harmonics were spot-on

[maxi_musikero]

But you are still our tonewood master, GGBR! Kidding

maxi_musikero, mahirap maghanap ng saktong guitar especially with a tight budget, pero just test and test so that you'll be able to find that diamond in the rough. The Fernando acoustic guitar that GGBR brought before sounded really good; even the harmonics were spot-on

tlga Sir Poundcake?  i tried some fernandos before with so many defects...like ang higpit ng tuning keys, fret buzzing, the like.  but hindi ko pa na-try ung new models ngayon sa jb.  i've tried valencia guitars and they sound good, kaya lng nylon. 

is my budget still tight sir?  if i'm going to try to increase my target budget, it will take a little longer for me to get a new guitar.  hehehe! 

thanks sir! 

[Poundcake]

May nagbebenta dito ng used Taylor 310-CE a few months back ah... P55k negotiable ata ang price nya. Test mo yun!