Author Topic: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree? (Read 28615 times)

kaloyster · « **Reply #75 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:23:21 PM »

Aco mas gusto co pa yung April Boys kaysa sa solong si April Boy Regino.

Medyo catchy yung kanta nung dalawa (Vingo & Jimmy), yung ke April Boy masyadong bakya eh

Opinyon co ito.

stilljey · « **Reply #76 on:** October 18, 2007, 02:05:29 PM »

may standard ba sa pagiging baduy?

maxi_musikero · « **Reply #77 on:** October 20, 2007, 04:32:41 PM »

Quote from: lil.drummerboy on October 14, 2007, 03:39:32 AM

ang masasabi ko lang kanya kanyang pananaw lang yan kung baduy o hindi. depende yan sa tao at sa paniniwala nila. kung tingin nya baduy eh di baduy.. wala ka magagawa dun kahit ano pa pag pilitan mo sa kanya.. pero kung sa tingin nya hindi baduy.. eh di hindi baduy.. ganun lang yun.. para sakin lang yun..

i agree dito.

kaya lng, i hope let's limit our own non-constructive opinions to ourselves. ok lng kung ang tingin ng tao sa pop ay baduy, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T RESORT TO STEPPING ON OTHERS WHO ARE INTO THIS GENRE.

parang kasi sinabing kasalanan ng mga composers/musicians na sumikat yung song nila eh..hehehehe!

jeff_proX40 · « **Reply #78 on:** October 28, 2007, 04:24:09 AM »

Di baduy ang POT, Kapatid at iba pang mga sumisikat na banda ngayon like Sinosikat, Alak pa, Juan pablo dream, etch. Marami lang mga nagstistereo type kasi halos lahat ng banda na sikat eh baduy like Six cycle mind. haha. no offence pero baduy talaga sila. hehehe

ninejuicyjulius · « **Reply #79 on:** October 28, 2007, 07:50:30 PM »

Quote from: stilljey on October 18, 2007, 02:05:29 PM

may standard ba sa pagiging baduy?

nakakalungkot mang aminin, pero oo, merong standard. parang ang napapansin ko, kapag mainstream ka, nagiging baduy ka. tapos may notion na kapag mainstream, nilalamon mo lang kung ano ang ibigay sa yo. wala kang sariling isip kumbaga. aktwali kaya nga tinawag na MAINSTREAM. sabay sa agos lang.

"The trick is to listen to the right people." - damon albarn (blur) on pop music

BossingBoss · « **Reply #80 on:** November 07, 2007, 07:09:02 PM »

yup baduy nga pero kung limpak limpak na salapi naman ang kapalit eh why not?

hehe. joke.

kanya kanya lang trip yan mga bro.

jeff_proX40 · « **Reply #81 on:** November 09, 2007, 02:52:08 AM »

Quote from: BossingBoss on November 07, 2007, 07:09:02 PM

yup baduy nga pero kung limpak limpak na salapi naman ang kapalit eh why not?

hehe. joke.

kanya kanya lang trip yan mga bro.

hehehe nice attitude!

xandrix120780 · « **Reply #82 on:** November 10, 2007, 03:42:06 PM »

ang english term ng baduy ay cueshe

c april boy regino naman ay 'mukhang unggoy na tomboy' (if i'm not mistaken, remark ito ng isa sa mga E-heads noon during their cold war days with April Boys, sa isang song nila gumamit sila ng allusion na 'April Fools" hehe.

in fairness naman kay April Boy.... SOBRANG BADUY SYA.

jeff_proX40 · « **Reply #83 on:** November 11, 2007, 07:08:07 AM »

Quote from: xandrix120780 on November 10, 2007, 03:42:06 PM

ang english term ng baduy ay cueshe

c april boy regino naman ay 'mukhang unggoy na tomboy' (if i'm not mistaken, remark ito ng isa sa mga E-heads noon during their cold war days with April Boys, sa isang song nila gumamit sila ng allusion na 'April Fools" hehe.

in fairness naman kay April Boy.... SOBRANG BADUY SYA.

hahaha nice one!!! Cueshe pala eh Baduy.... hakhakhak!!!

LouieAzcona · « **Reply #84 on:** November 26, 2007, 01:43:26 AM »

para sakin may dalawang klase ng sikat:

1.mga baduy. ung chiks lang ang target ng mga kanta nila, ung kailangan pogi ang bokalista. ung sobrang decades na ang tanda ng style ng songwriting. sikat sila kasi ang pagiging baduy has a never-dying market.

2.mga nagseset ng standards. mga hindi nakisabay sa uso. mga sincere at may paninindigan sa music. original. walang paki-alam sa sasabhin ng mga tao sakanila.

for example. keso. hindi sila favorite ko. hindi sila pop. hindi panchiks ang kanta nila. pero sikat sila. and for me, hindi sila baduy.

so hindi lahat ng sikat baduy

insultedgamer · « **Reply #85 on:** December 27, 2007, 07:21:29 PM »

Tama!!

otistikako · « **Reply #86 on:** January 26, 2008, 01:37:34 PM »

Baduy is subjective.

Bakit may mga hindi sikat na baduy ah.. hahaha! Actually andami-dami nila -- those who emulate their idols and wear stupidity on their sleaves.. Like waaahhh I cover Black Sabbath and Metallica astig. Progressive guitar licks yeah kaya mu yon. Burn those baduy in hell.

Oo nga.. Beatles ba baduy.. Radiohead ba baduy.. Joey Ayala ba baduy... Eraserheads ba baduy..

Sabi ko nga eh, lahat ng bagay sa mundo SUBJECTIVE. depende sa tumitingin. peace out.

chromeknive · « **Reply #87 on:** January 26, 2008, 02:38:24 PM »

quite stupid. that's what.

sikat = tool.

baduy?

why did i even make an analogy? grrr...
semantics palang talo na e. walang saysay ang thread na to.

LouieAzcona · « **Reply #88 on:** January 26, 2008, 07:58:08 PM »

Quote from: chromeknive on January 26, 2008, 02:38:24 PM

quite stupid. that's what.

sikat = tool.

baduy?

why did i even make an analogy? grrr...
semantics palang talo na e. walang saysay ang thread na to.

meron naman. medyo nagkakaraoon ng idea ang mga forumites regarding BADUYNESS.

hindi porke metal, hindi baduy.
hindi porke mainstream, baduy

sa tingin ko, basta gasgas (hindi luma) ang style mo, baduy ka.
iba ang gasgas sa luma. madaming lumang style ang masarap parin pakinggan.
madami naman ang gasgas na.

gasgas = lumang style na nakakasawa/boring.

as long as your music has an element that can be considered original, hindi ka baduy.

listen to the song: ang boyfriend kong baduy.
pano niya dinefine ung boyfriend niya?
imagine mo music ung boyfriend niya, sa tingin ko maganda defintion ng baduy sa song na yon. luma na ang style. hindi na nagwowork. kasi gasgas na.

daemonite · « **Reply #89 on:** January 27, 2008, 04:34:08 AM »

Quote from: chromeknive on January 26, 2008, 02:38:24 PM

quite stupid. that's what.
sikat = tool.
baduy?
why did i even make an analogy? grrr...
semantics palang talo na e. walang saysay ang thread na to.

Comment ko lang dito noh, are you sure sikat ang tool? Naririnig mo ba sa mga bata, sa media ang mga songs ng Tool? Not that i'm not a fan, Big influence ko rin ang Tool. Pero we shouldn't prejudice the other genres porke gusto natin ang isang genre. Kaya nga ginawa ko itong thread na ito for opinions on the matter. And to call this thread a stupid one, you must be the one who is stupid 'coz your eyes ain't open to options. Semantics? Analogy? Have you made a proper one? I don't think so. Hindi mo man lang tinignan ang both sides of the coin. And i think you didn't read properly the title of the thread. I didn't ask if my thread is stupid. I just asked if you would agree because a lot of undergrounds, metals, and simply jerks who do not open their eyes to the whole world of music often prejudice us, Pop bands, Alternative Bands, R&B bands and the like do not know how much effort we put into our music composing it, making sure people would love it. Other peeps may say it's stupid but it's our passion. Making people happy with our music. Not just some roadies, groupies and posers who just run around with the band.

Eto challenge ko sa yo. If you can neatly play Toto, EWF and Gloria Estefan songs, come back to me and say it's stupid, i would gladly concede. Music is not just shredding, riffs, double peds, adlibs and slaps. The soul we put into it IS the music no matter what genre it is.

Sensya na for the long post pero I just hate prejudiced people and call me stupid.

chromeknive · « **Reply #90 on:** January 27, 2008, 01:59:19 PM »

oh, im really sorry, man. i should've been more careful.

but what i was trying to say is, (although i was an a$$hole earlier), that :

sikat = pop (doesnt need a question mark, since "pop" is an abreviation of "popular"), BUT there are not-pop artists na sikat.

pop = baduy is AS YOU MENTIONED, OBVIOUSLY not true. (I wasnt showing bias towards tool, but RATHER showing that tool is a prog metal band AND sikat sila, therefore, POP=SIKAT is easily disproven. (SIKAT is not equal to BADUY also if you think tool is not baduy). Where do not POP bands fall? Not SIKAT automatically? marami namang hindi "pop" na sikat diba? immediately you can disprove the equation.

and further more, i don't see any sense in the formula sikat=pop=baduy because of how subjective it all is. you have to define baduy pa, etc. in other words, paikot-ikot lang ang discussion n'yan if ever dahil flawed to begin with ang thread title. Hasty, sweeping generalization.

So, in the spirit of adhering to the title, and dahil yeah, mali ako sa unang post ko, i strongly disagree that sikat=pop=baduy.

P.S. - you don't need to do the "openmindedness" lecture on me talaga, mali lang talaga pagkasabi ko sa unang post ko. I'm neither prejudiced nor a hardcore metalhead. (I love the 80's and just recently filmed a music video for the Erasure song "Always" with me dancing and lip-syncing. Did I just say that?)

P.P.S. - Yeah sikat ang Tool. Hindi sila "mainstream" (new term) or "POP" pero sikat sila. See what I mean? semantics, terms, etc. Are you saying a band that sells millions of albums is not sikat? "Sikat" therefore becomes a term that needs to be defined again.

Quote from: daemonite on January 27, 2008, 04:34:08 AM

I just asked if you would agree because a lot of undergrounds, metals, and simply jerks who do not open their eyes to the whole world of music often prejudice us, Pop bands, Alternative Bands, R&B bands and the like do not know how much effort we put into our music composing it, making sure people would love it.

And in response to that, THAT, in my opinion, is exhibited prejudism. To begin with, the thread was made with prejudice AGAINST underground people and metals. metalheads. people who like metal.

See what I mean? To really dissect this thread, paikot-ikot lang. Peace, man. I hope I explained myself better this time. Sorry pare, alam kong minsan impulsive ako at malakas magsalita. Peace!

ninejuicyjulius · « **Reply #91 on:** January 27, 2008, 02:08:30 PM »

"there's a B-side in every story..." -fruitcake, eraserheads

autoexec · « **Reply #92 on:** February 06, 2008, 07:52:50 AM »

nope, meron din namang mga sikat na banda pero andun pa din yung technicality/creativity/musicality nila..

higad · « **Reply #93 on:** February 09, 2008, 12:29:00 AM »

wala sanang ma-offend. sariling pananaw lang

paano ba magiging pop ang isang kanta?

kung sa radio:
1. papatugtugin ang kanta
2. mas madaming mag-request, mas mabilis maging pop

2 klase ng botante:
a. jologs
b. propesyonal

ano ba taste ng jologs sa musika?
-pwedeng kahit ano na lang basta magustuhan
-walang pakialam kung malupit ba talagang banda o magaling lang sa recording
-gaya nga nung una... basta magustuhan lang nila yung pinapakinggan nila. so pwedeng maging trip nila dragonforce o callalily. at mas madalas din sila magrequest sa radio kesa sa propesyonal kasi isa yun sa hobby nila.

ano ba taste ng propesyonal sa musika?
-live performance and recorded track is a must. i mean, kung wala kang kwenta mag-perform, pero maganda recorded stuff mo, hindi ka trip ng propesyonal or meron siyang reason para hindi magustuhan yung kanta mo.
+madalas hindi nakikinig ng radyo to, o kung makikinig man, piling piling station lang.
+bihira mag-request sa radyo

ilan ba ang jologs sa pinas?
ilan ba ang propesyonal?

so kung mas maraming jologs ang nagrequest ng kanta mo sa radyo, na halos lahat e wala naman talagang alam sa music o sa kung ano pa mang kaganapan sa music industry... sisikat yung kanta mo. magiging pop. baduy ka man o malupit na musikero. pero hindi ibig sabihin na automatic baduy ka na.pero mas marami nga lang baduy ang nakaka-alam ng kanta mo at kahit propesyonal, pag nagustuhan yung kanta mo, pwedeng mapangitan na. kasi... malamang ayaw niyang matawag na baduy.

kimBuhain · « **Reply #94 on:** February 09, 2008, 07:33:22 AM »

sikat=pop lang ang equation for me,.

kapag sinasabing baduy kasi ang naiisip ko yung mga NOVELTY songs eh,.
kung ganun, pwede yung sikat=pop=baduy,. haha,.get my point

sikat=madaming nag ppatronize sayo
pop=popular ka

while,..

baduy: nasa pananaw ng tao yan,.nasa standards nila yan,. yung mga fans ng sponge cola,calla lilly,.
siyempre ang baduy sa kanila yung mga dream theater at metallica,at yung mga jazz fusion type of music,

and vice versa,.

so ang definition talaga ng baduy ay nasa definition na mismo ng tao,.

OT: i just hate yung mga OPM artist ngayon na gumagawa lang ng music para sa pera,.yung cover lang ng cover ng mga lumang songs,.mostly yung mga nanalo sa mga reality singing contest,.and yung mga so called "rakista" bands (which in reality mga pogi rock bands-meaning mga boyband na may hawak na mga instrumento) cover na lang sila ng cover wala na ba tayong maririnig na original? and minsan kahit original gawin nila,hindi ko ma feel ang sincerity sa mga songs nila,.

compare niyo sila sa eheads and rivermaya noon,.ibang iba ang aura noon,napaka totoo ng mga banda noon,! and back then they don't wear make up and show up on tv! damn napaka commercialize na ngayon!

higad · « **Reply #95 on:** February 09, 2008, 12:25:59 PM »

@ kimbuhain
bossing totoo pa rin naman mga banda ngayon ah? its just that people change

nagme-make up rin naman mga bands noon ah? KISS nga naka-make up eh. what im trying to say is, maybe gusto lang nila ipakita kung ano yung image na nakapag-influence sa kanila. Si ely at raimund din nagbago na ng porma ah? dati maluluwag na shirts lang at jeans tapos naka-chucks lang. ngayon iba na..

ninejuicyjulius · « **Reply #96 on:** February 09, 2008, 12:44:20 PM »

aktwali kaya nga tinawag na POP kasi short for POPULAR di ba? parang EMO for EMOTIONAL. HAHAHA!

sa tingin ko, kaya may genre na POP kasi ang target na market ng POP songs ay general audience. ang mahalaga lang na punto dito, HINDI absolute sabihin na kapag POP, baduy na agad. laging may exceptions.

yun lang.

insultedgamer · « **Reply #97 on:** February 09, 2008, 12:54:56 PM »

Di'ba parang status lang din ng kanta yun?

POPular......................................................

Music genre na pala ang pagiging sikat?

Sa totoo lang mangmang ako sa musika, pero ano talaga eh.

Ano eh

Amf!!

tagagapo · « **Reply #98 on:** February 09, 2008, 01:06:00 PM »

kalukuhan yang baduy baduy na yan basta na gustuhan mo music kahit na kinakanta pa yan ng mga bata mga katulong etc. etc. eh ano kung baduy atleast nag papakatotoo ka sa sarili mo na gusto mo un music na tinatawag nilang baduy, pra sa akin Its your life you need to do it your way your way and not the other way

even i will take a dump on the highway.

Yung word na baduy pang kids lang un LoL kung ayaw nila de wag who cares diba?

Karamihan ng nag sasabi ng baduy matataas ang tingin nila sa sarili nila hindi nila alam yung word na equality.

kimBuhain · « **Reply #99 on:** February 09, 2008, 03:07:50 PM »

Quote from: higad on February 09, 2008, 12:25:59 PM

@ kimbuhain
bossing totoo pa rin naman mga banda ngayon ah? its just that people change
nagme-make up rin naman mga bands noon ah? KISS nga naka-make up eh. what im trying to say is, maybe gusto lang nila ipakita kung ano yung image na nakapag-influence sa kanila. Si ely at raimund din nagbago na ng porma ah? dati maluluwag na shirts lang at jeans tapos naka-chucks lang. ngayon iba na..

i got your idea,.pero di ko talaga maexplain eh,. mas feel ko ang music na ginagawa noong mga bands noong 90's,.para bang napaka honest and just plain rock n' roll!

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Author Topic: Sikat = Pop = Baduy? Agree? (Read 28615 times)

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