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Offline in_the_tent

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2007, 09:37:20 AM »
kapag nagsasounproof ba talagang magagalaw yung room (drill etc) paano kung ayaw ng landlord na pabutas or something yung place nya, anong ginagawa nyo? lumipat? hehe.:)
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2007, 12:11:56 AM »
In reality, there is no really such thing as totally sound proofed.  To do that is so expensive and extensive use of materials.  You can only abate the sound to a certain extent.  Now regarding the problem of the landlord not wanting any new structures in his unit, that one you cannot do anything but follow his desires.  Or move to another unit.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2007, 12:56:40 PM »
where can i get a rockwool here and how much
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2007, 01:23:56 PM »
where can i get a rockwool here and how much

Go to MC home depot along ortigas ave. near Meralco and go to Han Gang Foam.  There are stores beside them that sell rockwool and fiberglass as well. 

The density of rockwool or fiberglass to be used is debatable.  Some say 60kg rockwool is better.  Some say 16kg fiberglass is better.  Cheaper pa.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2007, 02:29:38 PM »
where can i get a rockwool here and how much

Go to MC home depot along ortigas ave. near Meralco and go to Han Gang Foam.  There are stores beside them that sell rockwool and fiberglass as well. 

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2007, 05:45:57 PM »
where can i get a rockwool here and how much

The density of rockwool or fiberglass to be used is debatable.  Some say 60kg rockwool is better.  Some say 16kg fiberglass is better.  Cheaper pa.

If for interior purposes, i. e., placed inside walls to remove resonances, a 16 kgm type is okay.  For outside (as in absorbers), the higher density is better.  Actually, the rule of thumb is, the higher the density the better; the thicker the lower low frequency absorption.  But more expensive.

Same with glass fiber or glass wool.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2007, 02:34:31 AM »
To sound proof, you need mass.  Or series of constructed panel materials arranged as a sandwich.
tanong ko lang, ito ho bang sandwich materials na ito ay pwedeng ilipat sakaling lumipat ng lugar ang isang studio? paano po ba kinakabit sa lugar ito(sa sahig at sa ceiling)?

There are several acoustic consultants around.  It will save you a lot of trouble.
sirs, can you post the consultants' names/companies and their numbers here? thanks po.:)
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2007, 12:24:43 PM »
I'm thinking of getting those portable sound proofing enclosures. I heard even Rubbermaid has one.

I'm not sure if it would work though. I hope some genius will invent one of these (cheaply).

Here is what I was originally looking at: Stone-Booth in a Bag (of course, it won't really help with your original query for drums)

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2007, 12:52:48 PM »
I'm thinking of getting those portable sound proofing enclosures. I heard even Rubbermaid has one.

I'm not sure if it would work though. I hope some genius will invent one of these (cheaply).


 :-D You could also try Get Smart's legendary Cones of Silence.  :lol:

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2007, 04:07:32 PM »
The main purpose of this portable booth is to remove room or background noise from getting into the recording.  If we are talking of just ambient noise, it is effective.  But once there is really loud intermittent noise, I think this booth will not be able to stop it.  It is expensive!  For a small "veil,"  it costs a lot.  Also, I don't think it is capable of stopping low or rumble frequencies.

I'll give it it a second look.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2007, 11:37:39 AM »
i met a guy whose a graduate of sound engineering and is well known in designing soundproofing stuffs but i forgot his name. you can reach him at EARTS Centre in Ayala.
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2007, 09:38:19 PM »
@mikep:
My main problem is the noise from the highway. I live around 50 meters from C5, & its taking a toll on our recording. Plus the sounds from the aircon. I wonder if something like this would suffice?

Yeah, pretty pricey. Argh.

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Mukang mas mahal pa ata yang Cones of Silence eh! ;)

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #37 on: August 15, 2007, 09:43:56 PM »
Chette,

If you ever watched Get Smart, you would have found out that the cones were too effective:lol: :lol: (Damn, I'm old...)  :-D
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2007, 01:58:02 AM »
As MikeP has said, sound isolation is all about density. It should not be confused with sound absorption, which is another matter altogether. You would need an enormous quantity of rockwool or rigid fiberglass to provide isolation from traffic noise, probably several feet thick. And even then it wouldn't do well at low frequencies, which tend to be conducted through building materials such as steel and wood.

One of the cheapest and readily available isolation materials also happens to be one of the best: filled cement hollow block. Eight inches of hollow block will provide between 40 and 60db isolation, depending on the frequency. Perhaps it's possible to construct a wall between you and the highway?

The thing to remember about walls as sound barriers is that they don't actually block sound, they create a sound shadow. The horizontal extent of the effective shadow will be about equivalent to the wall's height, so the wall should be constructed close to your existing wall, rather than out by the road.

The one thing concrete can't shield you from is very low frequencies, which unfortunately is a component of traffic noise, whenever a large truck passes by. Those will be conducted right through the ground and your floor, so the cure there is isolating yourself from the floor. A false floor on rubber spacers will work, but that's expensive. You can probably do a lot simply by constructing risers to set your microphone stands upon, and decouple the risers from the floor with rubber.

You might still need to filter out those low frequency rumbles, which is usually not a problem for vocals, since they can usually roll off below 120-160Hz with no loss of quality.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2007, 03:20:44 AM »
@mikep:
My main problem is the noise from the highway. I live around 50 meters from C5, & its taking a toll on our recording. Plus the sounds from the aircon. I wonder if something like this would suffice?

For that kind of noise, you need to have a room within a room construction technique  (expensive).  One thing that can help is for you to roll off the low frequency of your mics, boost a little bit of mid and high frequencies for intelligibility purposes, and it can clear your recording a bit (this is mostly for speech).  As for the air con, you need a quieter air con - maybe a split type.  Select a a brand that would have the lowest noise.  National is known to be quiet.  Again, when recording roll off the low frequencies.

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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2007, 11:01:29 PM »
For that kind of noise, you need to have a room within a room construction technique  (expensive).  One thing that can help is for you to roll off the low frequency of your mics, boost a little bit of mid and high frequencies for intelligibility purposes, and it can clear your recording a bit (this is mostly for speech).  As for the air con, you need a quieter air con - maybe a split type.  Select a a brand that would have the lowest noise.  National is known to be quiet.  Again, when recording roll off the low frequencies.

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I have to agree with the room within a room approach. liliit lang nga yung space ng room per assured na hindi maiistorbo yung kapit bahay. expensive din kasi keilangan mo ng raised flooring at fair amount of space between walls. importante din na air tight yung room kasi sound we hear travels as vibrations/pressure in the air. ang problem lang dito yung airconditioning. kung airtight yung kwarto mo pero air could pass through the vents ng aircon, bale wala din yung effort ng sound proofing mo. mas recommended yun split system type na airconditioning sa ganiong setup.

then you can use acoustic foam to reduce sound reflection sa loob ng kwarto
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2007, 11:05:11 PM »
Bro, suggestion ko.  Mag-pa-rent ka na.  Kasi once you have soundproofed your room major investment iyon.  Eh ang bawi lang noon magpaband rehersal ka na diyan.  Kasi walang choice soundproofing is expensive.  Eh, once sound proofed na ang room mo, puwede nang magpraktis dyan mga banda... Just a suggestion for ROI.  :)
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Re: Question abuot Sound Proofing...
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2007, 11:12:57 PM »
yep it's a good investment pero mahirap din lalo na hindi mo kilala yung mga bandang gagamit ng equipment mo. minsan kasi may mga bands na malakas magtrip at magsira ng gamit.

nakapasok na rin ako sa home studio ni zach lucero of imago. really impressive yung setup niya. ang kapal ng pintuan (i think it's a foot thick) at room within a room din ata yung ganamit nyang approach.
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