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how to properly sound proof your music room
« Reply #75 on: July 27, 2007, 12:24:54 PM »
hey mga bro i had this problem kasi about sound proofing maaarte kasi mga kapit bahay ko eh .... we and some friends here in the south tried to share some drum licks masaya sana kaso me nag reklamo ....any way how do you properly sound proof a room young wala talagang maririnig sa labas maski mag wala kayo ng buong tropa sa loob... one more thing do you know where to buy the materials......... tnx
My arms are numb ............ can still hear cymbals ringing in my head ....

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« Reply #76 on: July 27, 2007, 12:27:24 PM »
uunahan ko na ha...

EGG TRAYS ARE NOT FOR SOUNDPROOFING 

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dito bro, nadiscuss na nila yan http://talk.philmusic.com/board/index.php/topic,54650.0.html
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Re: how to properly sound proof your music room
« Reply #77 on: July 27, 2007, 02:30:36 PM »
yup totoo yun .... maski nga sa heat insulation alanganin eh ... hehehehe
My arms are numb ............ can still hear cymbals ringing in my head ....

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« Reply #78 on: August 01, 2007, 04:31:32 PM »
How would you soundproof a room with a lot of windows? The thing is my house is really loaded with a lot of windows. I actually have the same problem when it comes to neighbors. Medyo pakapalan nalang ng mukha. Heheh
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« Reply #79 on: August 01, 2007, 05:36:30 PM »
well ako tinakpan ko yung windows ng wood frame na may insulation sa loob tapos coverd all my walls with styrofoam and then foam ....
My arms are numb ............ can still hear cymbals ringing in my head ....


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« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2007, 04:55:23 PM »
Any idea kung ano ung mga alternatives para sa pagsoundproof ng room, para naman kapit papaano di mabulabog masyado ang mga kapitbahay pag pumapalo. :-D
« Last Edit: October 08, 2007, 05:09:59 PM by 9_spiral »

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« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2007, 02:51:27 PM »


Ang balak ko pag nakabili na ko ng Drumset eh takpan ko ng salamin ung bintana ko. isa sa loob at labas para doble kaya lng wala na talaga hangin na papasok dun and i don't know kung makaka minimize nga ng sounds un

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« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2007, 04:01:20 PM »
i will be constructing a booth for my drums, plywood, hinges, and a lot of foam. :) read it somewhere sa net, imomodify lang para magkasya ung drums. i will try to make it by this week, para matest kung nakakaminimize ng sound. :)

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« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2007, 06:56:35 PM »
need help..

what materials to use for acoustic treatment (include nyo na lang ang brand & price)?..

a good room for recording drums..
my room size is 3x2 sq' meter & 3 meters ang height ng room.

3 sides are concrete and 1 side is plywood!!

-no need for soundproofing'


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« Reply #84 on: February 07, 2008, 03:07:26 AM »
Base sa mga nabasa ko sa internet, ok daw pala ang concrete walls na room? Yung kwarto kasi na pinaglalagyan ng drumset ko eh hiwalay sa bahay namin talaga, like 4-5 meters away. nakahiwalay talaga.. gawa sa hollow blocks.. Semento talaga lahat pwera lang yung pinto syempre which is wood... kaso ang problema is yung pagkalaki laking bintana sa harapan na full glass! at meron pang isang maliit sa tabi na salamin din. So siguro hindi na wall yung problema ko since concrete naman (please correct me if I am wrong! O_o).. Ang tanong ko po eh ano ba ang magandang paraan talaga para matakpan yung bintana... kasi dun yata lumalabas yung tunog eh. And tama ba ko na ok na pag semento naman yung wall mo? Maraming salamat mga sir! Badtrip lang kasi yung bagong lipat samin na kapitbahay about 10 meters away, umiiyak daw yung anak nila pag nag dadrums ako... Help lang mga sir! Thanks!
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« Reply #85 on: February 07, 2008, 09:02:01 AM »
ok ba papatungan na lang ng rockwool yung dingding ko tapos patong ulit ng gypsum board?
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« Reply #86 on: March 11, 2008, 08:44:45 PM »
Base sa mga nabasa ko sa internet, ok daw pala ang concrete walls na room? Yung kwarto kasi na pinaglalagyan ng drumset ko eh hiwalay sa bahay namin talaga, like 4-5 meters away. nakahiwalay talaga.. gawa sa hollow blocks.. Semento talaga lahat pwera lang yung pinto syempre which is wood... kaso ang problema is yung pagkalaki laking bintana sa harapan na full glass! at meron pang isang maliit sa tabi na salamin din. So siguro hindi na wall yung problema ko since concrete naman (please correct me if I am wrong! O_o).. Ang tanong ko po eh ano ba ang magandang paraan talaga para matakpan yung bintana... kasi dun yata lumalabas yung tunog eh. And tama ba ko na ok na pag semento naman yung wall mo? Maraming salamat mga sir! Badtrip lang kasi yung bagong lipat samin na kapitbahay about 10 meters away, umiiyak daw yung anak nila pag nag dadrums ako... Help lang mga sir! Thanks!

ano yung kisame mo? may rehearsal studio kasi ako, puro hollow blocks yung dingding. maingay parin sa labas. lately lang nadiscover ko, malaking bagay din pala kapag hindi mo na-treat yung kisame.

actually, tinanong ko dito sa philmusic yan. tanong ko ganito:
is this soundproof?

concrete wall
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6-inch space
+
conrete wall ulit.

sabi nila overkill daw.

bale, gagawin ko, ittreat ko muna kisame, kapag walang nagbago.OVERKILL NA!

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« Reply #87 on: March 11, 2008, 10:39:35 PM »
ano yung kisame mo? may rehearsal studio kasi ako, puro hollow blocks yung dingding. maingay parin sa labas. lately lang nadiscover ko, malaking bagay din pala kapag hindi mo na-treat yung kisame.

actually, tinanong ko dito sa philmusic yan. tanong ko ganito:
is this soundproof?

concrete wall
+
6-inch space
+
conrete wall ulit.

sabi nila overkill daw.

bale, gagawin ko, ittreat ko muna kisame, kapag walang nagbago.OVERKILL NA!

Kahoy sir! So ano kayang magandang lagay ko sa kesame sir?
Salamat ng marami!
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« Reply #88 on: March 13, 2008, 12:12:00 AM »
actually bro di rin ako sure. sabi ng iba concrete wall daw. gusto ko subukan sa studio ko pero natatakot kasi ako baka di kayanin. mahirap na.

sa tingin niyo? kakayanin ba kapag semento ang bubong? semento naman mga walls ko. natatakot lang ako. may naka-try na ba nito?

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« Reply #89 on: March 13, 2008, 02:05:15 AM »
me thread nito sa pro audio. daming diniscuss dun pati kisame. basa basa lang po.:)
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« Reply #90 on: February 07, 2011, 01:18:29 AM »
help naman, any suggestions para i-soundproff yung room ko?

medyo maingay kase yung drumset, pinuno ko na ng kumot yung bass drum eh, pero medyo malakas parin

eto yung picture ng room




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« Reply #91 on: February 07, 2011, 06:30:15 AM »
you cant stop kick drum sounds with blankets. you need more mass on your walls and ceiling by adding another room within your room. it will create an "air space" to trap low frequencies and fiberglass or rockwool insulation on your air cavity to dampen low freqs

sorry bro, wala ka na talaga magagawa kundi gumastos

weakpoints:

1. float glass yung windows mo. kailangan laminated glass gamitin dun
2. door mo plywood. palitan mo ng solid core na pinto, yung ginagamit sa mga main door at lagyan mo pa ng layers ng MDF para mas bumigat
3. kung plywood walls mo, gibain mo both sides at palitan mo ng 2 layers ng 12mm gypsum  yung outer side tapos lagyan mo ng insulation sa wood frame gamit ang fiberglass blanket na 24kg rating
4. kung ceiling mo plywood, sirain mo din yun at palitan ng bagong framing kasi mahina yung existing frames mo para isupport ang 2 layers ng gypsum with insulation

pag na address mo na weakpoints mo, kailangan mo ngayon gumawa ng room within a room ulit which will cost somewhere around 100k (including labor)

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« Reply #92 on: February 07, 2011, 09:15:35 AM »
kaya kaya kung tatakpan ko ng gypsum board yung window tapos may neoprene gaskets sa sides?
lagyan ko nlang ng handle yung gypsum board para matatanggal ko siya after ko mag drum practice?

pinapatay ko yung kase aircon ko after cooling my room for 1hr, then mag electic fan nalang ako para makatipid sa electicity, kaso lang baka pag pinatay ko aircon baka ma suffocate ako dahil wala na akong window, hindi kaya? :lol:

parang detachable window soundproofing plano ko, may nakapag try na ba nun?

quoted from peeves dated june 13 2006  :lol:
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my drum room is not sound proofed. i used to regularly play from 6pm to 7pm on weekdays. on weekends i play around 3pm to 7pm. my neighbors got used to it so i dont get complaints. id never hit the drums full on during regular hours and never past 8pm. id put rubber over the heads and do not use cymbals if and when i really want to play.

ganitong time din ako nag practice ng drums, kelangan ko lang ng onting soundproofing para hindi magalit mom ko  :lol:

nilagyan ko narin ng DIY sound mutes yung snare and toms para ma lessen pero kelangan pa ng onti pang soundproofing kase medyo maingay pa siya sa sala, pero onti lang

sinandwich ko ung hats ko sa cloth then kept it closed

btw, kaya pinost ko dito sa Pinoydrum forums rather than posting it on pro audio kase drums lang gusto ko i-soundproof, wala akong plans gawing studio yung rooom ko  :lol:

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about dun sa pintuan, saktong ginagawa yung bahay namin, ipapasingit ko nalang yung pinto para makalibre ako kahit man lang sa labor  :lol:

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concrete yung walls ko, kelangan ko pa ba ng soundproofing sa walls? and anong maganda or cheap material for soundproffing concrete walls? medyo malaki kase yung pader ng room kaya mukhang malaki maggastos ko kung lalagyan ko siya ng sounproof.

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mag canvas ako later sa hardware ng neoprene gaskets, medium density fireboard, fiber cement board pati gypsum boards para may idea ako how much will it cost me  :lol:
san kaya maganda mag canvas? balak ko kase sa mall muna then hardware stores near my place

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thanks ulit peeves sa advice  :-)
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« Reply #93 on: February 07, 2011, 12:40:24 PM »
ginagawa rin yung drum room ko e  :evil: pero this time soundproofed na. naghire na lang ako ng foreman tapos nagsusupervise na lang ako sa mga details para ma soundproof ng tama.

sa ngayon kasi hindi pa sealed yung bintana at pinto ng room ko kaya hindi ko pa matetest kung sapat na yung soundproofing ng all concrete walls at ceilings. definitely talaga sobrang pangit ng tunog ng drums sa ngayon kasi wala pa din treatment.



sa dulo yung room, at eto nagawa na yung final cement wall



pinto at hamba ang papagawa mo. kunan ko ng pics yung style ng ginagawa dito sa kin para may idea ka. kakabili ko lang din ng bagong pinto kanina.

dami ko pa gagastusin para matapos to. nasa 12sqm lang yung room pero ang materials na magagastos ko nasa 80k na di pa kasama split type AC. wala pa dyan yung labor. walang mura pagdating sa soundproofing at ilang taon ko na din na pinaplano to.
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« Reply #95 on: February 07, 2011, 02:04:07 PM »
so far, pinaka mura na canvas ko is

9mm corkboard - 2x3 - 720petot
12mm gypsum board - 4x8 - 380petot

canvas canvas pa.. buti nalang may internet, kahit nasa office nakakapag canvas ako  :lol:

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« Reply #96 on: February 07, 2011, 02:08:32 PM »
sa igros marketing 310 lang 12mm gypsum. para saan yung corkboard?

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« Reply #97 on: February 07, 2011, 02:12:30 PM »
Mga sir question lang..

Try to imagine this;
-45sqm room with concrete walls and a window
-Plywood door
-Wood floors

Ok? Tapos eto;
-Yung concrete walls balak ko palagyan ng mga kahoy para support sana sa foam na binabalak kong ilagay
-Tas tatapalan ng mga 5'' thick na foam every side.
-Then cover it with fabrics para pleasant naman sa paningin.
-Yung pinto balak ko tapalan rin ng foam pero mga 1'' or less thick na lang siguro.
-Yung ceiling gusto ko rin lagyan ng foam para lahat sana meron lahat.
-Yung sahig gusto ko lahat carpet ultimo mga sulok.

Tanong...Sapat na po ba to?

Hindi ko kailangan ng sobrang gara, magastos at detalyadong music room na ultimo mga sound frequencies e sukat na sukat pa. Music room na kaya sanang controlin yung ingay ng drums pero di naaapektuhan ang sound quality, para di naman istorbo sa iba pang mga nakatira sa bahay at kapitbahay. Kasi may mga oras na kahit 3am na gusto ko pa rin pumalo dahil di pa makatulog pero di pwede kasi nasa sala lang yung kit ko. Gusto ko mag drums ng hindi ko naiistorbo mga kasama ko dito sa bahay. Para kahit anong oras basta gusto ko mag ensayo walang hadlang.
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« Reply #98 on: February 07, 2011, 02:12:45 PM »
sa igros marketing 310 lang 12mm gypsum. para saan yung corkboard?

sandwich ko daw sa gypsum board para matakpan yung bintana, nabasa ko sa isang forum eh, pero mukhang malabo  :lol:

mura yan 310 ah !! penge naman contact number plss  :lol:

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« Reply #99 on: February 07, 2011, 02:26:28 PM »
sandwich ko daw sa gypsum board para matakpan yung bintana, nabasa ko sa isang forum eh, pero mukhang malabo  :lol:

mura yan 310 ah !! penge naman contact number plss  :lol:

nawala ko yung calling card e pero nasa eyp.com.ph yun.




@musicianurse28: bro masasabi ko lang and dont take it personally:

1. dont do anything that you listed or whatever else you are planning unless you understand about sound, mass, air and physics. nasa internet naman lahat ng kailangan mo matutunan pero hindi lahat tama. minsan kahit common sense natin mali pagdating sa acoustics.

2. bilin mo muna tong book na to http://www.amazon.com/Home-Recording-Studio-Build-Like/dp/1598630342 then read it over and over. i think i read it over 20 times in the past 3 years already and i still have a lot to learn.

3. if you dont want to do it right then dont do it all (and the right way is always the most expensive when it comes to stopping sound). sayang ang pera at wala ka naman makukuhang benefit.

please buy the book first and it will answer all your questions (hint: may pdf version yan dati na downloadable - hanapin mo lang)
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