About 98% of PRS guitars sound dead. You need to find the 2% to determine that the balance 98% sound bad.
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Post by: gandydancer123 on May 17, 2017, 11:00:01 AM
in,
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on May 17, 2017, 02:05:42 PM
BEFORE =)) HAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: red lights on May 17, 2017, 02:07:33 PM
the <_<
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Post by: titser_marco on May 17, 2017, 02:16:29 PM
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Post by: gandydancer123 on May 17, 2017, 02:26:32 PM
sabi daw, walang character PRS... tone wise... iba padin daw LP...at Strat..
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Post by: Screamous on May 17, 2017, 02:30:14 PM
In regards with PRS Thread, and ang budget ko is i think is only for the 98% dead-sounding PRS
how to determine a good sounding 98% dead-sounding PRS,
plan ko mag-collect ng gitara one of each brand with a price range of $500 minimum and $1000 max.
wla akong chance to test or try them since i'm just ordering online thru musiciansfriend or sweetwater.
nagbe base nlang ako sa reviews..
given na non-specified genre ang tinutugtog ko (since home guitarist lang ako) :eek:
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on May 17, 2017, 02:51:19 PM
tested an SE, a custom 22 piezo and a Custom 24.
all of which were great sounding guitars. granted, I felt that the SE needed a pickup replacement.
the Custom 22 Piezo might be one of the best guitars I've held (Markcasq)
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Post by: gandydancer123 on May 17, 2017, 03:02:05 PM
i think, for guitars...there are hiyaw-less guitars regardless of price or brand,acoustic ba or electric, bug bog man or mint... sa stable ko theres one gutar that really stands out sa feel at sa tunog at sa resonance unplugged.. a good gauge to consider when buying a guitar used is kung ito ba ay yung #1 ng seller..(which is also hard to come by since #1 nga nila)..pero chances are since broken in at road worn na nila..may hiyaw siya... kahit acoustics... better try it or A/B it with whatever models you are gassing for...may mga brandless na blows famous brands away sa sound
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Post by: Screamous on May 17, 2017, 04:36:15 PM
i think, for guitars...there are hiyaw-less guitars regardless of price or brand,acoustic ba or electric, bug bog man or mint... sa stable ko theres one gutar that really stands out sa feel at sa tunog at sa resonance unplugged.. a good gauge to consider when buying a guitar used is kung ito ba ay yung #1 ng seller..(which is also hard to come by since #1 nga nila)..pero chances are since broken in at road worn na nila..may hiyaw siya... kahit acoustics... better try it or A/B it with whatever models you are gassing for...may mga brandless na blows famous brands away sa sound
haha! ikaw pangalawang tao na nagsabi skin nyan, i don't really know the exact definition of hiyaw, pero i get the idea. my master once told me "ang isang electric guitar kahit di nka saksak sa amp, pag in-strum mo mganda ang tunog" "mas luma ang gitara, mas maganda ang tunog" behind my head siguro yung ang personal pref nya idk, pra sken kasi bsta good sounding guitar ok na hehe, until recently i found my right tone pra sa sarili ko.
btw nung kausap ko pla sya, He's using a fender american deluxe that time and i was using an Ibanez FRM100TR
tapos binully na yung FRM kasi china XD
may masa-suggest kba sir gandydance123 ?
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Post by: Skybox on May 17, 2017, 05:04:54 PM
haha! ikaw pangalawang tao na nagsabi skin nyan, i don't really know the exact definition of hiyaw, pero i get the idea. my master once told me "ang isang electric guitar kahit di nka saksak sa amp, pag in-strum mo mganda ang tunog" "mas luma ang gitara, mas maganda ang tunog" behind my head siguro yung ang personal pref nya idk, pra sken kasi bsta good sounding guitar ok na hehe, until recently i found my right tone pra sa sarili ko.
btw nung kausap ko pla sya, He's using a fender american deluxe that time and i was using an Ibanez FRM100TR
tapos binully na yung FRM kasi china XD
may masa-suggest kba sir gandydance123 ?
Di na uso yung hiyaw, mas malupit na yung over the top na hiyaw which is "Bulyaw". :-D
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Post by: jepbueno on May 17, 2017, 05:06:06 PM
pano kaya kung panget pakasetup (not matching to the player's preferences) nung gitarang may "hiyaw", hihiyaw pa rin kaya?
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Post by: Screamous on May 17, 2017, 05:14:00 PM
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Post by: nicoyow on May 17, 2017, 08:59:03 PM
keep em coming! :lol: :lol:
BTT: haven't tried a PRS so I don't have a personal preference about the guitar but, every damn time I visit JB, I usually check PRS's on display, try to touch the neck and feel how it fits to my hand. I still prefer the feel of the SX tele neck lol :lol:
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Post by: red lights on May 18, 2017, 08:02:55 AM
ang "hiyaw" ay parang halinghing ng isang magandang binibini habang sya'y iyong binobrocha
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Post by: Skybox on May 18, 2017, 08:45:31 AM
BTT: haven't tried a PRS so I don't have a personal preference about the guitar but, every damn time I visit JB, I usually check PRS's on display, try to touch the neck and feel how it fits to my hand. I still prefer the feel of the SX tele neck lol :lol:
There are a bunch of different PRS neck carves to suit different tastes. There is the pattern, pattern regular, pattern thin, regular, wide-fat, wide-thin, etc. For me, anything slimmer than a '58 LP neck profile is playable.
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Post by: Skybox on May 18, 2017, 08:53:42 AM
Agree! It's when the guitar feels like an extension of your body. Hindi sha nakikipag laban sayo.
oo yung tipong hindi siya lumalaban, lalo sa initial set up mo..tuning intonation truss rod..parang swak siya lahat at nakikisama.. tapos nagreresonate at nag note bloom ng SWEET.
parang pedals..that "love at first strum".. in a minute alam mo na, at daling timplahin agad..
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Post by: Skybox on May 18, 2017, 03:04:04 PM
oo yung tipong hindi siya lumalaban, lalo sa initial set up mo..tuning intonation truss rod..parang swak siya lahat at nakikisama.. tapos nagreresonate at nag note bloom ng SWEET.
parang pedals..that "love at first strum".. in a minute alam mo na, at daling timplahin agad..
8.9k na Tokai Strat sa Lyric. Love at first strum. Wala akong plano bumili napadaan lang pero I walked out of the store with it. :-D
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on May 18, 2017, 03:08:27 PM
8.9k na Tokai Strat sa Lyric. Love at first strum. Wala akong plano bumili napadaan lang pero I walked out of the store with it. :-D
yuck MIC. wlang hiyaw yan. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA #troll
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Post by: gandydancer123 on May 18, 2017, 03:40:45 PM
the thing is, dapat may maicompare ka sa current guitar mo to be able to recognize a hiyaw guitar..and you also need some time...para magbond...madaming factors din..
di ba sinabi ni john mayer, noong una, di nagwork yung magic sa TBO niya..nilagay pa nga daw niya sa ref or something (obviously marketing BS) haha..
malaking bagay din na mag BOND kayo pag inayos mo siya, or nirefurbish...or may some special thing na ginawa mo or memory..psychological din
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Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on May 18, 2017, 04:19:23 PM
the thing is, dapat may maicompare ka sa current guitar mo to be able to recognize a hiyaw guitar..and you also need some time...para magbond...madaming factors din..
di ba sinabi ni john mayer, noong una, di nagwork yung magic sa TBO niya..nilagay pa nga daw niya sa ref or something (obviously marketing BS) haha..
malaking bagay din na mag BOND kayo pag inayos mo siya, or nirefurbish...or may some special thing na ginawa mo or memory..psychological din
I disagree naman paps. para sakin a guitar has hiyaw if from first use eh huling huli ka na niya at sobrang comfy ka na with it na tipong para bang matagal mo na siyang ginagamit.
nung nagamit ko yung PRS Custom22 piezo ni mark tska yung EBMM Luke niya, naramdaman ko talaga yun papsi. pero yung mga ibang gitara niya, di ko mafeel yung experience na yun. hirap iexplain swear hahaha
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Post by: Skybox on May 18, 2017, 04:52:40 PM
I disagree naman paps. para sakin a guitar has hiyaw if from first use eh huling huli ka na niya at sobrang comfy ka na with it na tipong para bang matagal mo na siyang ginagamit.
nung nagamit ko yung PRS Custom22 piezo ni mark tska yung EBMM Luke niya, naramdaman ko talaga yun papsi. pero yung mga ibang gitara niya, di ko mafeel yung experience na yun. hirap iexplain swear hahaha
Totoo ito for the said MIC Tokai. I have owned Fender Strats before and since pero that one bonded with me instantly. As in within seconds! haha.
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Post by: jepbueno on May 18, 2017, 05:24:23 PM
^oooh post pics of that Tokai!
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Post by: Skybox on May 18, 2017, 06:46:40 PM
There are a bunch of different PRS neck carves to suit different tastes. There is the pattern, pattern regular, pattern thin, regular, wide-fat, wide-thin, etc. For me, anything slimmer than a '58 LP neck profile is playable.
we share the same taste in terms of neck profile but, not for super strats. Really hate those kind of guitars.
I've been into bunch of MIC, MII, MIK guitars and still slim neck works better for me. I have a Tokai also. Breezy sound. Got it from a trade against a Hamer Double cutaway and I love it! Having the same neck profile of my previous tele.(Peavey Generation EXP)
that strange feeling na "this is THE guitar"... how you play it, hold it..do whatever with it..it just feels good and sounds good..
For me hiyaw is more on the sonical side. I tried a couple of guitars that sound magical but has a sucky feel. Though i'm a feel over tone type of guy.
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Post by: dullFingers on May 18, 2017, 10:43:30 PM
"Hiyaw" is the sound a girl makes when you "accidentally " insert it in the wrong hole... :eek:
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Post by: nicoyow on May 18, 2017, 10:49:41 PM
buhay pa ba yung signature ni DimarZiao? :lol: :lol:
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Post by: jepbueno on May 19, 2017, 08:58:10 AM
^Ganda nung Tokai! At Fender shape headstock na uli!
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Post by: Screamous on May 19, 2017, 09:40:09 AM
we share the same taste in terms of neck profile but, not for super strats. Really hate those kind of guitars.
I've been into bunch of MIC, MII, MIK guitars and still slim neck works better for me. I have a Tokai also. Breezy sound. Got it from a trade against a Hamer Double cutaway and I love it! Having the same neck profile of my previous tele.(Peavey Generation EXP)
HAHAHAHAHAHA Lonzo = FM55 guitars hahaha great analogy man!
With that said... You the Real MVP bro.
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Post by: shoegaze geezer on May 20, 2017, 09:02:43 PM
any legitimate supporting data about this "2%"? or this is just pure assumption?
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Post by: af_villaruel on May 22, 2017, 09:12:41 AM
On "hiyaw": I've always thought that hiyaw comes from the pleasant harmonics produced by a certain combination of guitar components (esp. tonewoods used) resonating at different frequencies when the strings are struck. I could be wrong. I'm not an expert on this.
Maybe the 2% is a statistical exaggeration. But then again, I don't know. At any rate, coming up with the right permutation of tonewoods, electronics, and hardware resulting in "hiyaw" is indeed a RARE thing. Moreover, having the ears to detect hiyaw is another thing.
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Post by: Skybox on May 22, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
On "hiyaw": I've always thought that hiyaw comes from the pleasant harmonics produced by a certain combination of guitar components (esp. tonewoods used) resonating at different frequencies when the strings are struck. I could be wrong. I'm not an expert on this.
Maybe the 2% is a statistical exaggeration. But then again, I don't know. At any rate, coming up with the right permutation of tonewoods, electronics, and hardware resulting in "hiyaw" is indeed a RARE thing. Moreover, having the ears to detect hiyaw is another thing.
Some folks on the other hand say they have "felt" it on their hands than heard it with their ears.
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Post by: albumin on May 22, 2017, 01:06:43 PM
Hay. Meow lang kaya ng geetars ko :( sad.
In response to the hiyaw concept, I think that it is good to have a standard that high to further distinguish which is actually good, if not the best, from which is not. However, what's the good in it as as standard if it cannot be understood nor be easily recognizable by the public? I think kaya nagiging farce ang pagtingin ng mga tao sa concept kasi masyadong abstract yung dating. Add the factor of subjectivity into play, lalong nagiging bizarre yung concept.
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Post by: Skybox on May 22, 2017, 01:18:51 PM
In response to the hiyaw concept, I think that it is good to have a standard that high to further distinguish which is actually good, if not the best, from which is not. However, what's the good in it as as standard if it cannot be understood nor be easily recognizable by the public? I think kaya nagiging farce ang pagtingin ng mga tao sa concept kasi masyadong abstract yung dating. Add the factor of subjectivity into play, lalong nagiging bizarre yung concept.
I think hiyaw directly benefits the player which indirectly benefits the audience.
Guitar has hiyaw > Player gets more inspired > Player plays cleaner/sweeter > Audience gets a better listening experience
I think as an audience member it would be very hard to hear hiyaw through the band mix so I don't really expect hiyaw to benefit the audience directly.
Having said that, it can actually be argued that "the fingers" actually limit the gear in a very direct way.
Hiyaw can't cure sucky playing that is for sure.
EDIT:
Sabagay may impact parin naman pala:
Guitar has hiyaw > Player gets more inspired > Player sucks less on guitar > Audience gets a better listening experience :-D
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Post by: knet370 on May 22, 2017, 01:58:49 PM
can "hiyaw" be considered in great playing guitars out of the box? based on a player or buyers preference.
-action is perfect on the buyers "preference". -no buzzing. have great sustain. -guitar's pickups suit players preference on tone -etc etc
if so, i may have a couple of guitars that has "hiyaw" :) hehe
but what about guitars that didnt play great at first, but then after an excellent setup and a few electronic upgrades and changes, can have a chance to have "hiyaw"?
ex: players brings it to lets say their most trusted luthier. luthier performs an immaculate setup/fixes. player plays it. player loved how it turned out. it now sustains great. plays great. sounds great (thru upgrades), etc..
if so, i may have more guitars that have "hiyaw" than i have ever thought. more like all of them have "hiyaw" right after a setup is performed by my go to luthier. upgrades included.
but i may be wrong though in so many aspects. 1. i dont have an idea what hiyaw really is 2. i have poor taste in tone 3. i dont know how to play a guitar
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Post by: Skybox on May 22, 2017, 03:43:01 PM
can "hiyaw" be considered in great playing guitars out of the box? based on a player or buyers preference.
-action is perfect on the buyers "preference". -no buzzing. have great sustain. -guitar's pickups suit players preference on tone -etc etc
if so, i may have a couple of guitars that has "hiyaw" :) hehe
but what about guitars that didnt play great at first, but then after an excellent setup and a few electronic upgrades and changes, can have a chance to have "hiyaw"?
ex: players brings it to lets say their most trusted luthier. luthier performs an immaculate setup/fixes. player plays it. player loved how it turned out. it now sustains great. plays great. sounds great (thru upgrades), etc..
if so, i may have more guitars that have "hiyaw" than i have ever thought. more like all of them have "hiyaw" right after a setup is performed by my go to luthier. upgrades included.
but i may be wrong though in so many aspects. 1. i dont have an idea what hiyaw really is 2. i have poor taste in tone 3. i dont know how to play a guitar
Here's a good guide you can use to check. :-D
1) Rich sounding notes with overtones that reinforce the fundamental -- a > > three dimensional soundstage whether in clean or overdriven mode. > > 2) Pick attack defined versus the sustaining note. > > 3) When a string is bent, the note for a time drops in volume but suddenly > > increases in volume at the top of the bend. Even louder than the initial > > pick attack volume. The bent note at the top of the bend is punchy and > > powerful not flat or weak. > > 4) Chordal volume does not drown the guitar when you suddenly switch to a > > lick or riff. > > 5) When you constantly bend and release a note, the guitar weeps and wails > > as if there was a subtle wah-wah effect. > > 6) Balanced volume across all strings. > > 7) So soft to play even with heavy gauges as if you were playing one gauge > > lighter. The guitar reacts to every playing nuance. It can be subtle and > > mean when you want it to depending on your technique. > > 8) Can punch thru a band with a bass player, another rhythm guitar player > > and a keyboard player without having to compete on an amp volume basis. > > 9) Notes on the upper frets do not sound thin and choked. > > 10) Most importantly, the guitar magically surprises you everytime you > > play because it produces different sounds e.g. squeals, picking nuances, > > etc.
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Post by: knet370 on May 22, 2017, 04:18:22 PM
^ who made that guideline?
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Post by: knet370 on May 22, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
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Post by: gandydancer123 on May 22, 2017, 04:59:38 PM
pag nanunuod ka ng mga youtube vids like andertons or guitar show...malalaman mo yung expression ng mga players kung medyo nagsasalita sa kanila yung mga gitara...
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Post by: Skybox on May 22, 2017, 06:27:28 PM
jason richardson? if yes, he already said that rick's leadtone is sweet on his AMA. infact, funny thing is, i tried rick's lead patch on my fractal and it squuueeaaalllssss. :)
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Post by: knet370 on May 22, 2017, 08:13:30 PM
I think hiyaw directly benefits the player which indirectly benefits the audience.
Guitar has hiyaw > Player gets more inspired > Player plays cleaner/sweeter > Audience gets a better listening experience
I think as an audience member it would be very hard to hear hiyaw through the band mix so I don't really expect hiyaw to benefit the audience directly.
Having said that, it can actually be argued that "the fingers" actually limit the gear in a very direct way.
Hiyaw can't cure sucky playing that is for sure.
EDIT:
Sabagay may impact parin naman pala:
Guitar has hiyaw > Player gets more inspired > Player sucks less on guitar > Audience gets a better listening experience :-D
Thank you for that wonderful insight. :D However, you might have misunderstood what I meant of "hiyaw" being understood by the public. (I'm not so good with my play of words so please forgive me) In the aforementioned phrase, I'm not pertaining to the listeners of the guitar player but rather, I'm pertaining to the experience of another player given the usage of that guitar with "hiyaw." If we are to have a standard for the cream of the crop of all the guitars in the market, it should go without saying that the experience of one player with those guitars should be consistent, if not the same, to that of another player even with extreme differences in their guitar playing proficiency.
The problem is, we cannot simply make a benchmarking of each guitar players' experiences because of their given bias or subjectivity to the concept. Kaya para sakin, mejo mahirap talagang patunayan yung "hiyaw" sa mga gitara.
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Post by: Skybox on May 23, 2017, 08:10:05 AM
Thank you for that wonderful insight. :D However, you might have misunderstood what I meant of "hiyaw" being understood by the public. (I'm not so good with my play of words so please forgive me) In the aforementioned phrase, I'm not pertaining to the listeners of the guitar player but rather, I'm pertaining to the experience of another player given the usage of that guitar with "hiyaw." If we are to have a standard for the cream of the crop of all the guitars in the market, it should go without saying that the experience of one player with those guitars should be consistent, if not the same, to that of another player even with extreme differences in their guitar playing proficiency.
The problem is, we cannot simply make a benchmarking of each guitar players' experiences because of their given bias or subjectivity to the concept. Kaya para sakin, mejo mahirap talagang patunayan yung "hiyaw" sa mga gitara.
Yup. Most of us here agree with you bro.
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Post by: firemodel55 on May 23, 2017, 10:59:20 AM
I think hiyaw directly benefits the player which indirectly benefits the audience.
Guitar has hiyaw > Player gets more inspired > Player plays cleaner/sweeter > Audience gets a better listening experience
I think as an audience member it would be very hard to hear hiyaw through the band mix so I don't really expect hiyaw to benefit the audience directly.
Having said that, it can actually be argued that "the fingers" actually limit the gear in a very direct way.
Hiyaw can't cure sucky playing that is for sure.
EDIT:
Sabagay may impact parin naman pala:
Guitar has hiyaw > Player gets more inspired > Player sucks less on guitar > Audience gets a better listening experience :-D
Eh bakit pinagmamalaki mo pa ang mga napili mong Tokai MIC na gitara kung kaya pala idaan sa kamay? Great Playing can't cure sucky tone too. In fact, the audience rather hear less of you because of painful tone.
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Post by: Skybox on May 23, 2017, 11:21:02 AM
Eh bakit pinagmamalaki mo pa ang mga napili mong Tokai MIC na gitara kung kaya pala idaan sa kamay? Great Playing can't cure sucky tone too. In fact, the audience rather hear less of you because of painful tone.
Yup. I agree. That's why you need BOTH a screaming guitar AND awesome chops. If you only have 1 out of 2 then you have to work your a** off either to buy gear or improve your playing.
Gear + skills = Rapsa
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Post by: firemodel55 on May 23, 2017, 11:36:12 AM
Yup. I agree. That's why you need BOTH a screaming guitar AND awesome chops. If you only have 1 out of 2 then you have to work your a** off either to buy gear or improve your playing.
Gear + skills = Rapsa
Agree...
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Post by: Skybox on May 23, 2017, 12:56:20 PM
As I look back at the past 10 years of gear slutting, I realized that I pissed away a lot of money on multis and 10k-20k guitars. If I could go back in time I would save all that money and just buy a decent guitar and a decent tube amp and then spend my time building chops instead. I guess it's never too late to start though.
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Post by: rowley75 on May 23, 2017, 01:01:13 PM
Yup. I agree. That's why you need BOTH a screaming guitar AND awesome chops. If you only have 1 out of 2 then you have to work your a** off either to buy gear or improve your playing.
Gear + skills = Rapsa
SA WAKAS!!! WORLD PEACE!!!
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Post by: Skybox on May 23, 2017, 01:19:22 PM
As I look back at the past 10 years of gear slutting, I realized that I pissed away a lot of money on multis and 10k-20k guitars. If I could go back in time I would save all that money and just buy a decent guitar and a decent tube amp and then spend my time building chops instead. I guess it's never too late to start though.
true!!! I also wish I did this during the 90's especially with guitars
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on May 23, 2017, 02:54:11 PM
Yup. I agree. That's why you need BOTH a screaming guitar AND awesome chops. If you only have 1 out of 2 then you have to work your a** off either to buy gear or improve your playing.
Gear + skills = Rapsa
agree din ako dito. it takes two to tango ika nga :) :wink: >:D
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: throwinshapes on May 24, 2017, 10:35:03 AM
On that note, does hiyaw even matter for aggressive, riff-based, heavily downtuned styles like djent? From what I know, the hiyaw phenomenon only seems to be present when sustaining a note - say, when bending a string. Food for thought.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on May 24, 2017, 01:42:08 PM
On that note, does hiyaw even matter for aggressive, riff-based, heavily downtuned styles like djent? From what I know, the hiyaw phenomenon only seems to be present when sustaining a note - say, when bending a string. Food for thought.
On Paul Reed Smith's TEDTalk he talked about how guitars are "subtractive" instruments in that it naturally does not return the same amount of energy that is applied to it. He also argued that "magical" guitars are those which return most of the energy that is applied to it or "subtracts less".
I personally think that Paul is refering to hiyaw in that TEDTalk and that he was not refering to the swirly sound you hear when sustaining a note.
If we use Paul's description as basis for hiyaw then it may benefit guitars used in any genre.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: throwinshapes on May 24, 2017, 03:44:55 PM
I personally think that Paul is refering to hiyaw in that TEDTalk and that he was not refering to the swirly sound you hear when sustaining a note.
To my knowledge, FM55's definition of 'hiyaw' is, precisely, that swirly sound when sustaining a note. He claims that only a small percentage of guitars (hence, 2%) really exhibit this property during bends and such.
Moreover, some people have said that the equivalent of 'hiyaw' in English is 'note bloom' (which is probably what PRS is referring to). But consider also that 'hiyaw' can be directly translated as 'cry' or 'crying' in English. As though the guitar, when performing a bluesy bend, is 'crying'.
In other words, I think that when FM55 (who is primarily a blues/rock guy) plays and listens to a guitar, he is after a guitar that really 'speaks' in a sense. And typically, you can test this out by bending and note and listening for that swirling sound.
...Which brings me back to my earlier point, maybe it's perfectly okay for guitars to not have hiyaw if your style of music doesn't even really call for hiyaw to manifest in the first place. A good example, as I mentioned, would be djent. I personally don't really care tbh, as I'm more concerned about playing cleanly over the chord changes than anything else. :lol:
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on May 24, 2017, 04:20:52 PM
To my knowledge, FM55's definition of 'hiyaw' is, precisely, that swirly sound when sustaining a note. He claims that only a small percentage of guitars (hence, 2%) really exhibit this property during bends and such.
Moreover, some people have said that the equivalent of 'hiyaw' in English is 'note bloom' (which is probably what PRS is referring to). But consider also that 'hiyaw' can be directly translated as 'cry' or 'crying' in English. As though the guitar, when performing a bluesy bend, is 'crying'.
In other words, I think that when FM55 (who is primarily a blues/rock guy) plays and listens to a guitar, he is after a guitar that really 'speaks' in a sense. And typically, you can test this out by bending and note and listening for that swirling sound.
...Which brings me back to my earlier point, maybe it's perfectly okay for guitars to not have hiyaw if your style of music doesn't even really call for hiyaw to manifest in the first place. A good example, as I mentioned, would be djent. I personally don't really care tbh, as I'm more concerned about playing cleanly over the chord changes than anything else. :lol:
I think all guitars can be imbued with that swirly sound. It's called a Rotovibe :-D
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: throwinshapes on May 24, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
To my knowledge, FM55's definition of 'hiyaw' is, precisely, that swirly sound when sustaining a note. He claims that only a small percentage of guitars (hence, 2%) really exhibit this property during bends and such.
Moreover, some people have said that the equivalent of 'hiyaw' in English is 'note bloom' (which is probably what PRS is referring to). But consider also that 'hiyaw' can be directly translated as 'cry' or 'crying' in English. As though the guitar, when performing a bluesy bend, is 'crying'.
In other words, I think that when FM55 (who is primarily a blues/rock guy) plays and listens to a guitar, he is after a guitar that really 'speaks' in a sense. And typically, you can test this out by bending and note and listening for that swirling sound.
...Which brings me back to my earlier point, maybe it's perfectly okay for guitars to not have hiyaw if your style of music doesn't even really call for hiyaw to manifest in the first place. A good example, as I mentioned, would be djent. I personally don't really care tbh, as I'm more concerned about playing cleanly over the chord changes than anything else. :lol:
Though bending notes define much of what guitar is... very few other instruments allow you such expression... I don't only bend notes 95% of the time. Hiyaw determination is a short cut to determine the other desire-able qualities of an electric guitar.
Guitars with hiyaw often also exhibit ALL of the following:
1) above average to superior sustain 2) note definition -- not muddy 3) note harmony -- notes sound 'kabit' playing chords or even double stops 4) rich overtones (most important to me) 5) loudness -- yup its not only in the winding of the pickup that determines loudness but more of the wood 6) Ability to Stay in Tune 7) Neck Stability 8) Woody Tone -- I mean the strings do not dominate the tone coming from the guitar; rather the body wood's timbre is heard more 9) sounds great even on a clean guitar amp 10) so easy to play even on gauge 10 strings -- makes them feel like gauge 9 or gauge 8
For me hiyaw, is a dipstick, to quickly assess guitars.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: throwinshapes on May 25, 2017, 09:40:04 AM
Though bending notes define much of what guitar is... very few other instruments allow you such expression... I don't only bend notes 95% of the time. Hiyaw determination is a short cut to determine the other desire-able qualities of an electric guitar.
Guitars with hiyaw often also exhibit ALL of the following:
1) above average to superior sustain 2) note definition -- not muddy 3) note harmony -- notes sound 'kabit' playing chords or even double stops 4) rich overtones (most important to me) 5) loudness -- yup its not only in the winding of the pickup that determines loudness but more of the wood 6) Ability to Stay in Tune 7) Neck Stability 8) Woody Tone -- I mean the strings do not dominate the tone coming from the guitar; rather the body wood's timbre is heard more 9) sounds great even on a clean guitar amp 10) so easy to play even on gauge 10 strings -- makes them feel like gauge 9 or gauge 8
For me hiyaw, is a dipstick, to quickly assess guitars.
I think these all add up to the "orchestral" quality that Paul was talking about in his TEDTalk. I personally believe that these "magical" guitars exist and could definitely benefit guitarists of any genre.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on May 29, 2017, 02:00:56 PM
OT
I really would like to have a PRS guitar :idea:
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: nicoyow on May 30, 2017, 08:48:16 PM
Bakit? Yumaman ba kayo maski na walang hiyaw ang gitara niyo?
e ikaw yumaman ka ba sa hiyaw..mayaman ka oo..nadagdagan ba kaban mo sa hiyaw na yan?
walang masama sa pagpuna ng mga branded na gitara na walang hiyaw na di mo makita sa soloist jackson mo o ano yung isang gitara mo na gawa ng hudyo (?) opinion mo yan...pero wag naman OA sa hiyaw hiyaw na yan... para kang si sam milby pogi na nga nagpapakyut pa
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on June 02, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
Personally I am curious about "hiyaw" gusto ko din masubukan para malaman ko kung madistinguish ba ng mga tenga ko ang "hiyaw" :-)
And ang take ko lang sa side ni FM55 ay parang ganito lang. "If you found the cure for cancer wouldn't you tell (or to some extent "push") it to everyone?"
But thats just me. I am not taking sides, just trying to understand both perspectives.
:mrgreen:
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: firemodel55 on June 04, 2017, 12:41:31 PM
e ikaw yumaman ka ba sa hiyaw..mayaman ka oo..nadagdagan ba kaban mo sa hiyaw na yan?
walang masama sa pagpuna ng mga branded na gitara na walang hiyaw na di mo makita sa soloist jackson mo o ano yung isang gitara mo na gawa ng hudyo (?) opinion mo yan...pero wag naman OA sa hiyaw hiyaw na yan... para kang si sam milby pogi na nga nagpapakyut pa
Ang punto ko ay hindi related ang hiyaw sa pagyayaman o pagiging pobre. Kaya medyo retarded ang pag iisip mo tungkol sa pag associate ng dalawa.
I have twenty guitars na may hiyaw at hindi lang jackson at gil yaron ko ang may hiyaw. Lahat USA made with the exception of the Gil Yaron. Fender, PRS, Baker, BC Rich, Suhr, Gibson -- ang pinaka bago mga Music man. Hindi ko lang opinion ito.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: rowley75 on June 04, 2017, 01:13:22 PM
Ang punto ko ay hindi related ang hiyaw sa pagyayaman o hindi. Kaya medyo retarded ang pag iisip mo tungkol sa pag associate ng dalawa.
I have twenty guitars na may hiyaw at hindi lang jackson at gil yaron ko ang may hiyaw. Lahat USA made. Fender, PRS, Baker, BC Rich, Suhr, Gibson -- ang pinaka bago mga Music man. Hindi ko lang opinion ito.
OT - what can you say about blackmachines?
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: firemodel55 on June 04, 2017, 05:48:21 PM
I can not say anything until I try them. Though as a small guitar maker, I do NOT think they will be able to source the best sounding wood available unless they built up their stash since the 60s. Siguro, makaka suwerte sila but only a few slabs here and there.
But you never know:)
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on June 04, 2017, 07:12:40 PM
Ang punto ko ay hindi related ang hiyaw sa pagyayaman o pagiging pobre. Kaya medyo retarded ang pag iisip mo tungkol sa pag associate ng dalawa.
I have twenty guitars na may hiyaw at hindi lang jackson at gil yaron ko ang may hiyaw. Lahat USA made with the exception of the Gil Yaron. Fender, PRS, Baker, BC Rich, Suhr, Gibson -- ang pinaka bago mga Music man. Hindi ko lang opinion ito.
I'd love to hear the music that you make out of those :)
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: rowley75 on June 05, 2017, 04:08:34 AM
I can not say anything until I try them. Though as a small guitar maker, I do NOT think they will be able to source the best sounding wood available unless they built up their stash since the 60s. Siguro, makaka suwerte sila but only a few slabs here and there.
But you never know:)
I hope you can try them. I just want to know why they are regarded as one of the sought afters in terms of metal and pther heavy music.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Ben Tsing Co on June 05, 2017, 10:25:02 AM
Napa-Google ako dun sa black machine guitars :-\
Is this the one? http://www.blackmachine.net/
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 05, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
natry ko yung ganyan ni Maxi c/o Markcasq. swabe guitar. very nice sounding, di ko lang type the pickup rings and bobbins used (transparent), mejo nagmukhang cheap. but definitely, the guitar sings.
would use that cash to get a Suhr though hahaha
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: rowley75 on June 06, 2017, 10:29:02 AM
natry ko yung ganyan ni Maxi c/o Markcasq. swabe guitar. very nice sounding, di ko lang type the pickup rings and bobbins used (transparent), mejo nagmukhang cheap. but definitely, the guitar sings.
would use that cash to get a Suhr though hahaha
Nakita ko din yun, sa post nga lang. Lovely b6! May natry akong b2 dati sa NY. For me, one of the best guitars that i tried! Pero walang hustisya yung presyo parang PRS private stock na.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Ralph_Petrucci on June 06, 2017, 11:49:22 AM
Nakita ko din yun, sa post nga lang. Lovely b6! May natry akong b2 dati sa NY. For me, one of the best guitars that i tried! Pero walang hustisya yung presyo parang PRS private stock na.
correct. nung nalaman ko presyo, ynu din nasa isip ko hahaha "pang PRS/Suhr na to ah?"
but the neck and the fretwork is def topnotch, tho. hahaha
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: firemodel55 on June 06, 2017, 11:59:52 AM
On that note, does hiyaw even matter for aggressive, riff-based, heavily downtuned styles like djent? From what I know, the hiyaw phenomenon only seems to be present when sustaining a note - say, when bending a string. Food for thought.
But as I had posted on other threads, hiyaw is an indicator of other desire -able characteristics in a guitar. Guitar with hiyaw sound MORE aggressive and are more HEAVY sounding due to their abundant overtones and sound KABIT ang mga nota for heavy riffing.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on June 06, 2017, 01:10:53 PM
Hindi lang 3 bro. Marami rami na 7 years na ata yang hiyaw na yan.
well yea. i was here when it was first discussed. i even saw the video of FM55 explaining it. i actually liked him for being enthusiastic in trying to get everyone to understand what hiyaw is.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on June 09, 2017, 04:59:59 PM
well yea. i was here when it was first discussed. i even saw the video of FM55 explaining it. i actually liked him for being enthusiastic in trying to get everyone to understand what hiyaw is.
Yeah I think I remember you being around. Sadly, seems like nothing has changed since then. :-D
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: marzi on June 10, 2017, 05:35:13 PM
Tone party na lang. Put this to rest. In whatever direction.
Studio rental with catering? Lol.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: BAMF on June 12, 2017, 11:17:42 AM
Di na. Parang yung 2007 tone party na lang. Nasa likod ng kurtina ang gitarista and di alam ng judges and listening public which guitar is being played. All things kept equal.
Actually not to defend it, but Arie demonstrated the effect personally to me much more convincingly. It sounds funny when described in words and sounds like a myth. But yeah I heard it it's like a phasing effect between the ears.
It's ok and maybe desirable for some. But it's not ultimately necessary. Let those who have it enjoy it. And those that don't, well, it's unobtainium so no use seeking it.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on June 12, 2017, 12:40:41 PM
Di na. Parang yung 2007 tone party na lang. Nasa likod ng kurtina ang gitarista and di alam ng judges and listening public which guitar is being played. All things kept equal.
Actually not to defend it, but Arie demonstrated the effect personally to me much more convincingly. It sounds funny when described in words and sounds like a myth. But yeah I heard it it's like a phasing effect between the ears.
It's ok and maybe desirable for some. But it's not ultimately necessary. Let those who have it enjoy it. And those that don't, well, it's unobtainium so no use seeking it.
I think a lot of us here know that it exists because we too have owned guitars that have it along with other guitars that don't and enjoyed them equally. It's just fun to see it being used as a status symbol as if it is such a rare atribute when a lot of us know that it is not.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: BAMF on June 12, 2017, 06:46:24 PM
Lawl. Nice. Kala ko buhay pa din tong zombie na to after 10 years. Alrighty then have fun guys.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: firemodel55 on June 12, 2017, 08:22:53 PM
I think a lot of us here know that it exists because we too have owned guitars that have it along with other guitars that don't and enjoyed them equally. It's just fun to see it being used as a status symbol as if it is such a rare atribute when a lot of us know that it is not.
enjoyed them equally? haha. I bet the first one you put up to sell is the one that does not have it.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on June 12, 2017, 09:38:32 PM
enjoyed them equally? haha. I bet the first one you put up to sell is the one that does not have it.
Haha nope. Same same lang. I don't hord guitars at home anymore. I went through 30 guitars the past 10 years and I sold them all. Not all of them made it here sa Philmu. Dont regret selling them. They are not mine to keep anyway. They are just meant for me to be used for a while and then hopefully someone else will enjoy them in the future. Isasama mo ba sa hukay mo ang guitars mo?
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: firemodel55 on June 13, 2017, 06:53:49 AM
Haha nope. Same same lang. I don't hord guitars at home anymore. I went through 30 guitars the past 10 years and I sold them all. Not all of them made it here sa Philmu. Dont regret selling them. They are not mine to keep anyway. They are just meant for me to be used for a while and then hopefully someone else will enjoy them in the future. Isasama mo ba sa hukay mo ang guitars mo?
Nope but it sure makes the trip MORE enjoyable before you die. :)
Never went thru 30 guitars at home because I made sure I only got the keepers. :) Thereby saving money from a loss of value on the second hand market. If anything, I only went thru 14 guitars the past 27 years of playing as a hobby. All of them gone because I was shown early on that they did not have hiyaw. In the process, I saved money and got to buy more stuff.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: Skybox on June 13, 2017, 07:52:51 AM
Nope but it sure makes the trip MORE enjoyable before you die. :)
Never went thru 30 guitars at home because I made sure I only got the keepers. :) Thereby saving money from a loss of value on the second hand market. If anything, I only went thru 14 guitars the past 27 years of playing as a hobby. All of them gone because I was shown early on that they did not have hiyaw. In the process, I saved money and got to buy more stuff.
Hehe. As long as you're having fun buddy.
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: BAMF on June 13, 2017, 08:15:20 PM
Mabalik tayo sa usapan. Paki critique naman tong video para lam ko kung qualified ako mag post dito :-). Paki pakinig kung 'dead-sounding' ang PRS copy ko. Setup os straight to amp Yamaha J35 (solid state).
Title: Re: Club 98 - The DEAD-SOUNDING PRS Thread **Top 2% Guitars NOT ALLOWED**
Post by: BAMF on June 13, 2017, 08:19:55 PM