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Offline Screamous

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HIYAW
« on: June 08, 2017, 10:27:43 AM »
I'm not sure if meron nang thread regarding this,
with the recent discussions from every thread na nai-involve ang hiyaw,
at laging nababanggit, so why not start a thread nlang about it.,

just a short conversation with CJV (no trolling intended)

nasabi nya na Sya(CJV), Si FM55 and Matt De Leon have the same definition and thought pagdating sa
"hiyaw"

what is it exactly?
is it only for those who looks for it?
possible ba na magka hiyaw ang Low-End at Mid-End Guitars? (or dpat i-assume ko na nsa 98% na sila)
possible din ba na ma-distinguish ang hiyaw thru HD recording (video record, hnd yung nka mix na hehe)
is it defined by every guitarist's personal definition?

nag-tanong ako sa isang thread before na di ko na matandaan yung topic

"ano sa english ang hiyaw?" somebody told me "tonal bloom"

sa bawat forum mate, thread and discussions na nabasa ko about "hiyaw" na entice ako and it triggered my curiosity, i hope di ako mag fail.

i hope we can all help one another.

for the benefit of every guitarist who's in search of it, let's keep this thread as peaceful as possible,

so here goes, nag google ako about tonal bloom, at eto ang bumungad..

http://www.esomogyi.com/tonal_bloom.pdf

your thoughts mga master??

P.S.

baka may makulitan sakin about the topic since it's been a discussion for ages for most people sa PhilMusic,
siguro this thread will be para sa mga katulad ko na walang idea pa about it or wla pang idea about it.

Thank You po
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 10:29:46 AM »
Mas maganda yung BULYAW bro.. Hiyaw on another level  :-D

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness Hiyaw"
« Last Edit: June 08, 2017, 10:32:21 AM by Skybox »
#DigitalHiyaw

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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 10:31:34 AM »
yung 98% ay mga hupaw.
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 10:34:26 AM »



kung ano ang magpapasaya at magpapakuntento sayo, doon ka. kapag naghangad ka ng higit pa sa gusto mo, babalik ka sa umpisa
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 10:51:57 AM »
Mas maganda yung BULYAW bro.. Hiyaw on another level  :-D

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness Hiyaw"

HAHA! to nnman yung bulyaw nyaha, stronger version, pero in a serious note siguro yung hiyaw is only for those who looks for it?
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2017, 10:56:29 AM »


kung ano ang magpapasaya at magpapakuntento sayo, doon ka. kapag naghangad ka ng higit pa sa gusto mo, babalik ka sa umpisa

may punto ka sir, gsto ko lang din maintindhan yung discussion patungkol doon, just like sa kabilang thread, di nya alam na may hiyaw pla gitara nya hehe, bka kasi mka chamba ako na meron din pla yung mga ibanez ko hehe, kung wla, err.. yun edi wala, tingin ko hindi din nman kbawasan satin kung meron o walang hiyaw yung mga gitara ntn hehe.
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2017, 12:37:14 PM »
hahahaha.

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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 01:02:54 PM »
hahahaha.

Back after a 4-year hiatus, huh? Welcome back.  :-D
#DigitalHiyaw

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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2017, 01:28:12 PM »
hahaha. oo nga ee. hehehe. welcome back sir.
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 01:31:31 PM »



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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2017, 01:33:17 PM »
 :lol: :lol:
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2017, 04:45:06 PM »
I'm not sure if meron nang thread regarding this,
with the recent discussions from every thread na nai-involve ang hiyaw,
at laging nababanggit, so why not start a thread nlang about it.,

just a short conversation with CJV (no trolling intended)

nasabi nya na Sya(CJV), Si FM55 and Matt De Leon have the same definition and thought pagdating sa
"hiyaw"

what is it exactly?
is it only for those who looks for it?
possible ba na magka hiyaw ang Low-End at Mid-End Guitars? (or dpat i-assume ko na nsa 98% na sila)
possible din ba na ma-distinguish ang hiyaw thru HD recording (video record, hnd yung nka mix na hehe)
is it defined by every guitarist's personal definition?

nag-tanong ako sa isang thread before na di ko na matandaan yung topic

"ano sa english ang hiyaw?" somebody told me "tonal bloom"

sa bawat forum mate, thread and discussions na nabasa ko about "hiyaw" na entice ako and it triggered my curiosity, i hope di ako mag fail.

i hope we can all help one another.

for the benefit of every guitarist who's in search of it, let's keep this thread as peaceful as possible,

so here goes, nag google ako about tonal bloom, at eto ang bumungad..

http://www.esomogyi.com/tonal_bloom.pdf

your thoughts mga master??

P.S.

baka may makulitan sakin about the topic since it's been a discussion for ages for most people sa PhilMusic,
siguro this thread will be para sa mga katulad ko na walang idea pa about it or wla pang idea about it.

Thank You po

screamous,

if sincere ka sa search mo, PM mo si Firemodel.

parang Ferrari din yan. if you want to know what a Ferrari is and how it performs, magtanong ka sa may ari. hanap ka ng mapagtetest drive. and mag test drive ka ng marami

it pays to know an owner who has numerous ferarris.

in other words, you do your own research. i base mo sa experience mo at hindi sa mga hear say or mga naka try lang ng sandali.

reach out din sa mga collector ng mga high end. baka swertehin ka, maka play ka.

kung nasa ibang bansa ka at nakaka gala ka. try visiting vintage guitar stores, pawnshops. tugtugin mo yung mga luma at mahal doon, pati na rin mga intermediate price.




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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2017, 05:18:27 PM »
screamous,

if sincere ka sa search mo, PM mo si Firemodel.

parang Ferrari din yan. if you want to know what a Ferrari is and how it performs, magtanong ka sa may ari. hanap ka ng mapagtetest drive. and mag test drive ka ng marami

it pays to know an owner who has numerous ferarris.

in other words, you do your own research. i base mo sa experience mo at hindi sa mga hear say or mga naka try lang ng sandali.

reach out din sa mga collector ng mga high end. baka swertehin ka, maka play ka.

kung nasa ibang bansa ka at nakaka gala ka. try visiting vintage guitar stores, pawnshops. tugtugin mo yung mga luma at mahal doon, pati na rin mga intermediate price.

Sir Analog.Matt,

to be honest, hanggang tanong tanong lang muna ako, until magkaroon na ko ng vacation sa pilipinas,
nsa base kasi ako, as in remote island wherein limited ang lahat, meron lang dito grocery store and food diners, kaya sa case ko, yung mga gamit ko is na-test ko lang sila after orderin, haha buti nlng it all worked out for me, although may mga nasyang (na sidetrack na).  ino-order ko lang sila sa musiciansfriend at amazon, recently lang din ako naging active sa philmusic and yun na curious ako sa hiyaw dahil lagi kong nbabasa sa iba ibang thread dito sa PM e, hehe.

yung pagiging gitarista ko is hobby lang din, pag trip na jam yun na yun, wla kaming technical or any specific knowledge pagdating sa mga mlalalim na bagay sa about sa gitara. hehe,

so yun, hopefully mka try soon hehe.
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2017, 06:35:50 PM »
Sir Analog.Matt,

to be honest, hanggang tanong tanong lang muna ako, until magkaroon na ko ng vacation sa pilipinas,
nsa base kasi ako, as in remote island wherein limited ang lahat, meron lang dito grocery store and food diners, kaya sa case ko, yung mga gamit ko is na-test ko lang sila after orderin, haha buti nlng it all worked out for me, although may mga nasyang (na sidetrack na).  ino-order ko lang sila sa musiciansfriend at amazon, recently lang din ako naging active sa philmusic and yun na curious ako sa hiyaw dahil lagi kong nbabasa sa iba ibang thread dito sa PM e, hehe.

yung pagiging gitarista ko is hobby lang din, pag trip na jam yun na yun, wla kaming technical or any specific knowledge pagdating sa mga mlalalim na bagay sa about sa gitara. hehe,

so yun, hopefully mka try soon hehe.

sa lagay mo nga naman, base and all talagang mahihirapan ka, hintay hintay lang. maski ako, foreign based, it took me a while to meet the people i needed to meet and help me with my quest.

wala naman masama kung hobby lang. mahalaga masaya ka and yung kasiyahan natin, hindi nag iinterfere sa iba. nagkakalabuan lang naman pag absolute terms ang isang tao sa paniniwala niya.

mahalaga makita mo yung buong range ng tones. then ikaw na bahala kung saan mag tow ng line. at least na optimize mo ang options mo.




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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2017, 07:42:42 PM »
Naalala ko yung nag tanong dati....

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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2017, 08:08:07 PM »
Kung gusto nyo matuto ng hiyaw, pumunta kayo kay Arie at magpaturo sa kanya.  Sya ang nag-imbento ng konsepto ng hiyaw dito sa Pilipinas. Go straight to the source para hindi na nanghuhula.

Ang problema lang, iba rin ang tenga at utak natin kay Arie so kahit sya mismo ang magturo, hindi natin maproprocess ang tunog ng eksakto kung paano iprocess ng utak at tenga ni Arie.  So akala mo alam mo na ang hiyaw (as per Arie's definition), hindi parin pala. Hehe.

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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2017, 08:22:36 PM »
Kung gusto nyo matuto ng hiyaw, pumunta kayo kay Arie at magpaturo sa kanya.  Sya ang nag-imbento ng konsepto ng hiyaw dito sa Pilipinas. Go straight to the source para hindi na nanghuhula.

Ang problema lang, iba rin ang tenga at utak natin kay Arie so kahit sya mismo ang magturo, hindi natin maproprocess ang tunog ng eksakto kung paano iprocess ng utak at tenga ni Arie.  So akala mo alam mo na ang hiyaw (as per Arie's definition), hindi parin pala. Hehe.

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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2017, 08:46:06 PM »
Imo, cjv and matt de leon's definition of hiyaw is completely different from fm55.
Lalo na yung process of achieving it.
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2017, 09:09:21 PM »
Kung gusto nyo matuto ng hiyaw, pumunta kayo kay Arie at magpaturo sa kanya.  Sya ang nag-imbento ng konsepto ng hiyaw dito sa Pilipinas. Go straight to the source para hindi na nanghuhula.

Ang problema lang, iba rin ang tenga at utak natin kay Arie so kahit sya mismo ang magturo, hindi natin maproprocess ang tunog ng eksakto kung paano iprocess ng utak at tenga ni Arie.  So akala mo alam mo na ang hiyaw (as per Arie's definition), hindi parin pala. Hehe.
sino yun?

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https://www.facebook.com/arie.hipolito

Search Arie in PM searchbox. Lots of thread Arie being mentioned side by side with hiyaw topics.
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2017, 09:15:10 PM »
I'm here to see hiyaw videos   :idea:
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2017, 10:30:52 PM »
I'm not sure if meron nang thread regarding this,
with the recent discussions from every thread na nai-involve ang hiyaw,
at laging nababanggit, so why not start a thread nlang about it.,

just a short conversation with CJV (no trolling intended)

nasabi nya na Sya(CJV), Si FM55 and Matt De Leon have the same definition and thought pagdating sa
"hiyaw"

what is it exactly?
is it only for those who looks for it?
possible ba na magka hiyaw ang Low-End at Mid-End Guitars? (or dpat i-assume ko na nsa 98% na sila)
possible din ba na ma-distinguish ang hiyaw thru HD recording (video record, hnd yung nka mix na hehe)
is it defined by every guitarist's personal definition?

nag-tanong ako sa isang thread before na di ko na matandaan yung topic

"ano sa english ang hiyaw?" somebody told me "tonal bloom"

sa bawat forum mate, thread and discussions na nabasa ko about "hiyaw" na entice ako and it triggered my curiosity, i hope di ako mag fail.

i hope we can all help one another.

for the benefit of every guitarist who's in search of it, let's keep this thread as peaceful as possible,

so here goes, nag google ako about tonal bloom, at eto ang bumungad..

http://www.esomogyi.com/tonal_bloom.pdf

your thoughts mga master??

P.S.

baka may makulitan sakin about the topic since it's been a discussion for ages for most people sa PhilMusic,
siguro this thread will be para sa mga katulad ko na walang idea pa about it or wla pang idea about it.

Thank You po

nakakatawa naman na si panot ang kinausap mo about "hiyaw"
eh ang sabi nya tone is in our fingers. 😂😂😂😂
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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2017, 08:20:42 AM »
Imo, cjv and matt de leon's definition of hiyaw is completely different from fm55.
Lalo na yung process of achieving it.

Hi Rowley,

if im not mistaken, i have not publicly defined Hiyaw. at best i had given different facets but never a complete definition.

remember all of these overtones are abstract. so minsan may kanya kanyang tayong tawag.

but for me to understand alex and arie's concept of Hiyaw, i had to do the following over the past few years

1. visit vintage and semi vintage stores.
2. visit pawn shops and second hand music stores
3. ordinary music stores
4. PM certain people including local Gas Gods
5. visit people
6. visit arie and alex

take for instance the vintage guitar shop near my home. there was one point where they had
20 plus 70s Fender Stratocasters,
20 plus 80 Stratocasters,
20 plus 90s Custom shops
10 plus mid to late 60s fenders
10 plus early 70s Gibson les pauls
1980s gibsons
early 1900s na acoustic guitars

(yung mga 90s hindi ko na pinakialaman)

blessing din talaga na okay lang sa music store na hawakan ko lahat at tumambay ng oras at bumalik multiple times. walang masungit na salesman. pero kilala ko naman yung may ari and kadalasan sya ang tumatao.
so lahat yun sinubukan ko. napagpalit palit ko (A/B), to see the differences. yung era pa lang ng wood kakaiba na. the closer i get to the the 1950s, the woodier the tone. take note, iisang store pa lang to. i had to visit many shops. (and honestly sa lahat ng mga yun kakaiba yung mga gitara ni alex)

for early 60s and late 50s fenders, i had to visit people. for other 1950s guitars, not fender or gibson, sa stores ako dumalaw. 

hindi naman bubuka ang tenga ng tao agad agad. it takes time. so it also means hindi porket nadalaw mo na once si FM55, garantisado yun na, 100%, ang narinig mo.

ako it took me a while din to understand and hear.

so the point here is, kumbaga sa trabaho, ano ang broadness ng iyong personal experience? unfortunately not many in this forums have such experience.

ako, bakit ako nag sipag mag store hopping, tumambay sa stores etc... kasi its an opportunity for me. parang swot analysis. ang pisi ko hindi tulad ng mga Gas Gods dito sa Philmu. so imbes na magreklamo ako at maging bitter, naghanap ako ng paraan.
so nag music stores ako, dumalaw ako sa mga tao (im forever thankful sa inyo. if you're reading this), tsaka nag consulta din ako sa mga old musicians na walang panahon mag facebook at internet. sila mga nakahawak ng mga vintage guitars both popular and unpopular brands.
in the process ive met collectors din and builders

the more i build myself...the more i understood....the more i see the lies sa marketing...the more i understood the oldies....and syemnpre...when i meet Alex and Arie, naiintindihan ko na din sila...kasi i built my experience

sincere ako sa aking personal search noon kaya mas pinili kong gumalaw. at tuwing mag tatanong ako, laging  empty ang cup and may, "sige subukan ko nga"

i have not heard all that's good out there, sobrang dami, but sinasabi ko lang, yung exposure na pinaghirapan kong kunin, made me understand what alex has been trying to say for many many years

if you're serious about tone, gagalaw din kayo imbes na tumambay sa forums.


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as for CVJ, i cant speak for the journey he had taken to arrive at where he currently is....you will have to ask him

as for alex and arie, nakwento naman nila yung journey nila....

and para sa akin parehong important ang skill and gear. music man, baril, martial arts, sciences....parehong important sila.




« Last Edit: June 09, 2017, 08:49:57 AM by analog.matt »

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Re: HIYAW
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2017, 09:28:27 AM »
nakakatawa naman na si panot ang kinausap mo about "hiyaw"
eh ang sabi nya tone is in our fingers. 😂😂😂😂

bka nagbago na pananaw hehe, "kahit ano tlgang pots o pup nsa wood mismo yung ringing sound o hiyaw nya"
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