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LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #150 on: November 16, 2007, 03:18:17 PM »
gud day.

i dont have a compressor yet. so, i cant set my inputs to a certain level resulting to sudden boosts in a track's gain. the real problem - it really irritates me.

i use sonar 6 producer's edition. in its audio effects option, it has a graphic dynamics. obviously, it has a graph. but with numbers that i dont know where to use for.

i tried to experiment with it, i noticed some changes but not that close to what i expect to hear.

am i using the right tool?

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #151 on: November 17, 2007, 01:37:17 AM »
i dont have a compressor yet. so, i cant set my inputs to a certain level resulting to sudden boosts in a track's gain. the real problem - it really irritates me.

One of the follies in modern day recording is resorting to gear or plugins to correct errors in the recording process. To get a consistent level, you must first set up your mike and preamp gain properly so that you are getting sufficient volume with minimum peaks and a high enough signal-to-noise ratio. It also pays to record at 24-bit so that you gain more processing headroom - note that this is processing headroom, not signal headroom. 24 bits do allow you to track without needing a compressor, but you must still pay attention to levels to prevent overloading the audio interface's inputs.

If you are experiencing problems recording vocals, then either the gain on your preamps is too low or your singer has insufficient microphone technique. It's entirely possible that his monitoring setup (headphones?) is too loud giving him the illusion of singing too loudly causing him to overcompensate with his singing. Don't raise the faders to increase the volume as this will only increase noise. Always try to get sufficient levels into your mics and preamps before it hits your A/D converters.

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LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #152 on: November 19, 2007, 10:03:49 PM »
mixers

how can i seperate all the parts of the drumset? one track for each part.

of course i need mics, but what kind of mixer should i buy? will a usb mixer solve my problem?

for now, i can divide my drumset into 3 tracks,
the snare through my 2nd soundcard
the kick, through a samson CO1u, condenser mic
the rest(cymbals and toms), through a cheap sms mixer and my built in soundcard

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #153 on: November 20, 2007, 11:55:23 AM »
mixers

how can i seperate all the parts of the drumset? one track for each part.

of course i need mics, but what kind of mixer should i buy? will a usb mixer solve my problem?

You will need a multi-input soundcard. Most usb mixers are usually USB1.1 meaning they can only handle 2-channel (or stereo) input and output. To be able to track multiple inputs greater than 2, you need a soundcard capable of that many inputs as well. For example, at PIMP studios, we use a Delta 1010LT which is capable of 10 simultaneous I/O - we also use the spdif inputs.

For a mixer, assuming you are getting a 8-input soundcard, you either need something with direct outs per channel, or an 8-buss mixer with direct bus outs. Since soundcards like the Delta 1010 do not have preamps, you can dispense with the mixer and add 6 additional preamps - the first 2 Delta channels have preamps already but no phantom power - or you can get an 8-channel mic preamp with individual outs. Some external firewire soundcards already have 8 preamps builtin and you can go direct without need a mixer. Having a mixer does provide you with some routing flexibility, though.

Multiple input recording does require that you up the ante on your gear. You cannot go cheap and just buy the most inexpensive soundcard or other gear because then, you will most likely compromise your sound. There are a lot of good sounding, inexpensive gear; just take the time to research and review those gear before spending your hard earned cash.
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LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #154 on: November 21, 2007, 04:16:20 AM »
sakto ung nga po balak ko. multi input na soundcard. kahit wala munang mixer. chka di pa naman po kami ganon kaseryoso, gusto ko lang maging educated unti unti para maghanda sa mga mas seryosong bagay. haha

where can i find that kind of soundcard? ung multi input.

salamat po sir KitC. this is really informative.


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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #155 on: November 21, 2007, 12:08:13 PM »
The M-Audio Delta 1010 is carried by all JB (and Salonga) music stores. The 1010LT is priced somewhere around P16K. If you look in the Pro Audio Classifieds, there are several guys selling their 1010's, one even has the 1010 rackmount I think.
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LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #156 on: November 22, 2007, 01:02:36 AM »
cguro ill just find the ones that are found in the classifieds mas mura un di hamak naman. haha

another question sir.

ano po tawag dun sa box na saksakan ng mga cables para maconnect sa kabilang room?
san po yun nabibili o pwedeng DIY nalang?

hindi po ba makakalabas yung sound doon?


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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #157 on: November 22, 2007, 03:54:58 AM »
I went to recording school  :mrgreen:

Learned, the whole aspect of recording/adr/foley/mixing/mic playment/some mixing, wish i learned more/editing/etc


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LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #158 on: November 22, 2007, 09:48:33 AM »
tuwang tuwa ako nung nakita ko ung 1010LT sa classifieds.
sold na pala!!!!!!! :cry:

sayang!

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #159 on: November 22, 2007, 03:15:49 PM »
ano po tawag dun sa box na saksakan ng mga cables para maconnect sa kabilang room?
san po yun nabibili o pwedeng DIY nalang?

Snake cable yun; usually ginagamit na extension para sa inputs ng mixer o preamps. Pwedeng DIY pero usually balanced ang connections nya.

hindi po ba makakalabas yung sound doon?

Huh? Waddaya mean by that? The snake is an electrical connection. Kung makakalabas, you mean na lulusot sa butas ng pader, definitely so kaya kailangan langyan ng soundproofing ung conduit na dadaanan ng snake cable.
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LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #160 on: November 22, 2007, 05:37:34 PM »
kasi meron pong mga box na may mga butas, dun po kinakabit nung drummer ung earphones niya kapag nagte-take na xa. meron din pong butas yun for the mics.

sa pimp may ganon din po, sa likod ng drumset. ilalim ng salamin. dun pumupunta yung mga cables na nakaconnect sa mics ng drumset.

pasensya na po di ko maexplain ng maayos. di ko tlga alam tawag dun eh. hehe

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #161 on: November 23, 2007, 12:56:37 PM »
You're talking about a mic panel.  Normally all mics going to the control room coming from the studio are connected in this panel, made up of XLRs, Pls and other connectors.  This panel is connected to the mixing board which controls all the elements connected to it.  In the panel, you can have line ins (or outs), monitor sources for headphones or speakers (signal coming from the control room), aside from the mic inputs.  Care must be done in constructing this panel, as if done incorrectly, it will damage the integrity of your studio and control room sound proofing.  The wire conduits must also be acoustically treated to prevent sounds bleeds and transfers.

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #162 on: November 23, 2007, 01:06:07 PM »


sa pimp may ganon din po, sa likod ng drumset. ilalim ng salamin. dun pumupunta yung mga cables na nakaconnect sa mics ng drumset.



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LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #163 on: November 23, 2007, 04:14:11 PM »
You're talking about a mic panel.  Normally all mics going to the control room coming from the studio are connected in this panel, made up of XLRs, Pls and other connectors.  This panel is connected to the mixing board which controls all the elements connected to it.  In the panel, you can have line ins (or outs), monitor sources for headphones or speakers (signal coming from the control room), aside from the mic inputs.  Care must be done in constructing this panel, as if done incorrectly, it will damage the integrity of your studio and control room sound proofing.  The wire conduits must also be acoustically treated to prevent sounds bleeds and transfers.

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yun po ibig sabihin ko sir!!!

so having a mic panel is really DIY?

tnx po sa reply

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #164 on: December 04, 2007, 04:13:18 PM »
so having a mic panel is really DIY?

yup they are custom made for your specific needs so if you don't have anyone else to do it for you DIY talaga.

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« Reply #165 on: December 04, 2007, 05:03:14 PM »
yup they are custom made for your specific needs so if you don't have anyone else to do it for you DIY talaga.

I guess the correct reply is: it depends. Usually it's less expensive to DIY a snake or have it custom made, but there are some that can be bought with a combination of XLR and 1/4" TRS terminations - a friend's studios, for ex.,  had a 16 channel balanced snake with 4 XLR and 12 TRS sockets. Some examples here.
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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #166 on: December 04, 2007, 05:25:24 PM »
honga,  i remember there were these whirlwind stageboxes complete with snake cable and connectors sa audiophile dati. forerunner, i think, imports them nowadays.

LouieAzcona

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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #167 on: December 04, 2007, 06:07:12 PM »
I guess the correct reply is: it depends. Usually it's less expensive to DIY a snake or have it custom made, but there are some that can be bought with a combination of XLR and 1/4" TRS terminations - a friend's studios, for ex.,  had a 16 channel balanced snake with 4 XLR and 12 TRS sockets. Some examples here.

medyo malaking gastusin po ung sa musicians friend.

anyway, madami pa naman oras para magresearch, sa march pa naman sisimulan construction ng studio eh. gusto ko lang unti-untiin ung mga gamit ngayon para mapag.aralan ko na.

by the way, ako pala buyer nung m audio delta 1010lt. sabi mo eh!! hehehe.

salamat!

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« Reply #168 on: December 04, 2007, 07:14:13 PM »
Plenty of complete snake cable sets in AUDIOPHILE... pre-assembled or separate components (stageboxes, snake cables, Neutrik chassis connectors, Neutrik cable connectors, box end strain relief, fan end strain relief, helix multipin connectors, etc.) or custom-made by the technical sales staff. Peavey snake cable sets are very affordable. Local stageboxes and made-in-China snake cables are available also.
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« Reply #169 on: December 04, 2007, 08:19:37 PM »
medyo malaking gastusin po ung sa musicians friend.

You haven't tried buying there, have you? I wouldn't say na medyo mahal... I actually got some good deals there, especially if you want them to match prices with an item you saw elsewhere. I got my Sennheiser HD280 Pro for about $20 less when I saw it advertised in a pc mag of all things. Of course, shipping here is another matter but this has been discussed several times.

Tarkuz' suggestions are good also. Shop around for the best deals and best parts; don't scrimp on connectors because these are one of the most important, yet unrecognized, pieces of gear in a studio. Like you don't want the tip of a cheap PL jack getting disconnected while inside your mixer, now would you?
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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #170 on: December 05, 2007, 02:27:06 PM »
eh kasi po ung pinakita niyo sakin na link. kita ko mga price.

mga 100 + dollars.

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« Reply #171 on: December 05, 2007, 05:33:52 PM »
eh kasi po ung pinakita niyo sakin na link. kita ko mga price.

mga 100 + dollars.

 :?

Don't let the dollar sign scare you. Audiophile, for example, has a Pro Co brand 100-ft 24-channel snake FB/X 2404-100 that lists for Php 44,170 on their site. The same item lists for $839.99 in MF, which is similar to AP's pricing... look here for details, then do the math.
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Re: What do you want to learn about recording?
« Reply #172 on: December 05, 2007, 06:51:55 PM »
ayun nakita ko na ung sa audiophile. Pro Co.

ganon pala mga presyo ng mga snake cable set!

hmmmm. sbagay. natutuo na ako. mabilis talaga masira ang isang cheap na gadget.

meron kasi kami rehearsal studio, dun kami kumukuha pambili ng mga gamit pang recording. kaya cguro nga, march ko pa matatapos lahat. at least nakuha ko na M audio. sobrang laking bagay na to.

gastos talaga! gastos sa pera gastos sa oras. ayos lang masaya naman eh. hehehe

tnx sir kitC!


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« Reply #173 on: December 14, 2007, 10:57:25 AM »
mods redirect me nalang pag meron na nito... how much yung pinaka murang aabutin na good quality recording equipment for a studio, kahit yung pang live version lang... kung meron price list mas maganda... salamat po
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« Reply #174 on: December 14, 2007, 12:34:57 PM »
mods redirect me nalang pag meron na nito... how much yung pinaka murang aabutin na good quality recording equipment for a studio, kahit yung pang live version lang... kung meron price list mas maganda... salamat po

Not a very easy question to answer because there are 2 possible paths to choose: a computer-less system and of course, computer system.

Why computer-less? Kasi it is immediately active, so to speak. Practically no boot up time, no need to launch software. Cons are you are limited to the recorder that you buy; very few have upgrade paths and editing capabilities are more limited compared to computer systems. There are gear that allow you onscreen editing and have very good effects (Mackie hard disk recorders and the Roland VS-2480, e.g.), but these will set you back quite a bit.

For computer systems, you will have to decide on the software first and soundcard second. All hardware components after that are a function of compatibility with those first 2 components.

You can inquire with Audiophile about locally available gear. For soundcards, JB and other Salonga branches carry the M-Audio brand. TMS carries some Mackie firewire components like Onyx mixers. The choices locally are more limited compared to abroad. If you can order from online stores, be aware that warranties can be a bit of a problem if you have to order from them.
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